Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

As for Songsie, with friends like Borden, who needs enemies?
Some of her written stuff is really great, but as she herself realizes, not everyone has to like it.
I have always had a problem with lawyer language and Songsie, being one herself, can't help using it, I guess..
I just hope when they come back that all this stuff can be sorted out.

Fred cautiously approaches ulli with a rather uneasy look in his eye. He's genuinely curious to find some plausible reason why this is still being discussed in such a manner. In Fred's world, this is known as a cheap shot.

Fred politely nods, and goes off to do some dishes before going beddy bye.

Sleep on it, Fred.
By the time you wake up you will have figured it all out.
And might even find yourself in a new world
where the word "shot" is unknown.

Aw hell ulli, we're good, I just call em like I see em. Too bad the song "I ---- the Sheriff" will never be the same however.

Live without it then, Fred.
Hey, no more shotgun weddings, either?
No more pharmaceutical shots?
No more shot of rum?
Let me rethink this....
Be right back.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by ulli (here)
No more shot of rum?
Let me rethink this....
Be right back.

Yeah...Hold on just a minute, let's not get crazy here.

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Winfree's first paper [4] concerned the mutual synchronization of biological oscillators. How is it that thousands of neurons or fireflies or crickets can suddenly fall into step with one another, all firing or flashing or chirping at the same time, without any leader or signal from the environment?
Snip...

Winfree should become remembered for connecting the various scientific fields and set a trend for others to follow his example. Like you, who has let chemistry knowledge take you over into alchemy, and physics take you to metaphysics...
then the wholeness of the microcosm and the microcosm, the ripples effect, parallel events, rather than cause and effect, will lead to a deep understanding of what "as above, so below" really means: Man created in God's image.
Let loose on earth to find the Higher Will, by first running amok with free will.

[ulli]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
As for getting the crowd to remain seated, it was a simple projection of a feeling of being out of place and being not with the correct 'public' face and behavior, IF one where to stand up.

I've done stuff like this. I found out by accident. I feel like its kind of naughty to muck about this way though so I dont do it these days.

When I was a kid (8 or 9 ish) we used to go eat our school dinners in a canteen.

The noise was outrageous, and one day I just kind of imagined it quiet and peaceful. The next thing I knew the noise levels dropped and people were looking at each-other in a kind of surprised way, then after a few heartbeats it picked back up. It was repeatable, then I kind of lost interest in it.

The idea of doing this surfaced later in life (18+) and I did some things experimentally and fundamentally harmless, but without the knowledge or consent of those people that I tried "it" on, I have no doubt there are consequences to that.

Your story of the concert bought it all back.

The explanations you are positing for how it might work are very interesting.

Of course we may or may not be talking about the same thing.

I used to have to take a train from central London (Kings Cross...ref or Meeradas here)
to Leicester in the Midlands, to visit the knitwear factory I had a contract with,
and I would leave my car overnight parked near the station.
To get there I took a motorway from Shepherd's Bush,
and having left the office too late was worried about catching my train.
Thick traffic meant I had to do something to get there on time. So I did.
That was the first time in my life that I realized I had this inner power,
as I made those cars move out of my way with my mind.
I wish now there had been a co-pilot with a camera, no one would believe those driving feats.
I don't do that sort of thing any more. But I know it can be done.
Later I learnt that I wasn't the only one who could do it.
I still use the ability to ensure myself a free parking place near to where I'm headed.

[1inMany]

Aw, cripey, another one? Another realization? Well, I did say the day is young, didn't I?

I'm sitting on my perch, minding my own business, and thinking to myself how I have got to take a break from this stuff. Feeling overwhelmed with...well...I don't know what it is...just...how i get. And then, aha! I've always been an angel, I just didn't "BE" one that one day...that's why so many people over the last several years...too many to count...have suggested grounding to me. I'm never grounded, lol, because..well....you get the idea. (I hope)

I'm "out there"...that's just how I naturally am. No wonder grounding is so damned hard for me. It seems like most people started out grounded, so they periodically feel the need to return to that comfortable state. Hell, my natural state is not grounded, so it is difficult for me to connect with grounded.

Wow. That explains a lot. Doesn't make it any easier, but does explain a lot...

Me, to me: It's okay. Don't panic. It's okay.

[ulli]

Posted by 1inMany (here)
Aw, cripey, another one? Another realization? Well, I did say the day is young, didn't I?

I'm sitting on my perch, minding my own business, and thinking to myself how I have got to take a break from this stuff. Feeling overwhelmed with...well...I don't know what it is...just...how i get. And then, aha! I've always been an angel, I just didn't "BE" one that one day...that's why so many people over the last several years...too many to count...have suggested grounding to me. I'm never grounded, lol, because..well....you get the idea. (I hope)

I'm "out there"...that's just how I naturally am. No wonder grounding is so damned hard for me. It seems like most people started out grounded, so they periodically feel the need to return to that comfortable state. Hell, my natural state is not grounded, so it is difficult for me to connect with grounded.

Wow. That explains a lot. Doesn't make it any easier, but does explain a lot...

Me, to me: It's okay. Don't panic. It's okay.

It will become easier the more you get used to it.
New difficulties will arise that will make you forget your new capacity
the way you get used to a new and more powerful car...
after a while you just drive it without even thinking "Wow, this is my new car"
you just go where you need to be. Cool as a cucumber cookie.

[another bob]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
So I appreciate she who will be my mother-in-law someday. LOL And I thank her, AND ALL SENTIENT BEINGS, who seek to be troublesome and to irk and revile and accost and bedevil me, for helping me to drive all blame into one and for giving me the opportunity to heal myself of what ails me. Ego-clinging, in all of its manifestations.

Beautiful sentiments, Brother!

In the same vein, I'd like to bring your latest blog post to the readers' attention:

http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2012/06/...vated-society/

Thanks for this excellent reflection!

[benevolentcrow]

The moment you have in your heart this extraordinary thing called love and feel the depth, the delight, the ecstasy of it, you will discover that for you the world is transformed......Jiddu Krishnamurti

[ulli]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
So I appreciate she who will be my mother-in-law someday. LOL And I thank her, AND ALL SENTIENT BEINGS, who seek to be troublesome and to irk and revile and accost and bedevil me, for helping me to drive all blame into one and for giving me the opportunity to heal myself of what ails me. Ego-clinging, in all of its manifestations.

Beautiful sentiments, Brother!

In the same vein, I'd like to bring your latest blog post to the readers' attention:

http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2012/06/...vated-society/

Thanks for this excellent reflection!

@ another bob: Thanks or sharing. I second that.
@Rahkyt: absolutely brilliant. I can see you've been busy refining your perspective as well as your language.

All together, we are getting the truth out there. Some use pictures, some use articles, some use music, some use fiction, some use slogans, some use poetry.

And if the Wingmakers materials left just this one legacy:
that many different forms of creativity are needed
for all the different types of people and peoples out there to be reached...
And everyone who clicks becomes a culture bearer.
Exponential curve, ripple effect, woohoo, here we come.

[Carmody]

Another thing is that once one knows a thing, cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain, thus cost and karma enter the fray. Choices need be made, in the face of knowing. Previously 'free' areas of consideration and behavioral (universal) connection---become weighted.

Subtle those choices may seem, in the face of those who sill live in unknowing... but critical they are, those choices.

[PurpleLama]

Yes, this is essential.

Posted by Carmody (here)
Another thing is that once one knows a thing, cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain, thus cost and karma enter the fray. Choices need be made, in the face of knowing. Previously 'free' areas of consideration and behavioral (universal) connection---become weighted.

Subtle those choices may seem, in the face of those who sill live in unknowing... but critical they are, those choices.

[1inMany]

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

[Sierra]

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

[1inMany]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

Hmmm. Okay, that makes sense. Can't use ignorance of the law as a defense type of thing. Once one knows a thing, he is responsible for that thing. But why do cognition and rumination cause this? In what I have been observing, the exercises of intellectualizing any thing takes it out of the category of knowing and puts it into the category of learning.

[another bob]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

Right!

Once we see what we're up to, we can't un-know that, and resume the pretense of "Gee Officer, I didn't know about that law . . ."

(posted before seeing your response above)

[Sierra]

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

Hmmm. Okay, that makes sense. Can't use ignorance of the law as a defense type of thing. Once one knows a thing, he is responsible for that thing. But why do cognition and rumination cause this? In what I have been observing, the exercises of intellectualizing any thing takes it out of the category of knowing and puts it into the category of learning.

Well I can't speak for Carmody, but I am not sure that cognition and rumination are always exercises of intellectualization. Ruminating seems more open minded and less thinky to me, drawing in experience, feelings, memory, not necessarily a conclusion.

[PurpleLama]

Here is Calliope:

[1inMany]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

Hmmm. Okay, that makes sense. Can't use ignorance of the law as a defense type of thing. Once one knows a thing, he is responsible for that thing. But why do cognition and rumination cause this? In what I have been observing, the exercises of intellectualizing any thing takes it out of the category of knowing and puts it into the category of learning.

Well I can't speak for Carmody, but I am not sure that cognition and rumination are always exercises of intellectualization. Ruminating seems more open minded and less thinky to me, drawing in experience, feelings, memory, not necessarily a conclusion.

Okay, so ruminating in this instance is allowing the knowing to freely be. And other knowings come organically from the first. In which case, I am wondering if it is not possible that along with the thing, which in the sense that it is known and has not been sought after but has been granted, the decisions that stem from that knowing will also be made, consciously or not, within the bounds of the reason for the knowing.

[Sierra]

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)

cognition and rumination disallows innocence to remain

Why is this so? Or what do you mean?

I suspect it is because we are responsible for what we know.

Sierra

Hmmm. Okay, that makes sense. Can't use ignorance of the law as a defense type of thing. Once one knows a thing, he is responsible for that thing. But why do cognition and rumination cause this? In what I have been observing, the exercises of intellectualizing any thing takes it out of the category of knowing and puts it into the category of learning.

Well I can't speak for Carmody, but I am not sure that cognition and rumination are always exercises of intellectualization. Ruminating seems more open minded and less thinky to me, drawing in experience, feelings, memory, not necessarily a conclusion.

Okay, so ruminating in this instance is allowing the knowing to freely be. And other knowings come organically from the first. In which case, I am wondering if it is not possible that along with the thing, which in the sense that it is known and has not been sought after but has been granted, the decisions that stem from that knowing will also be made, consciously or not, within the bounds of the reason for the knowing.

Can you give me an example of what you mean?
Sierra

[1inMany]

Well, I can try lol.

Hmmm. I can't think of one, but i can try to rephrase. Maybe that will help. If there is an agreement that any entity is working within...then a knowing that is given/received/obtained/attained is within said agreement. Further understanding of the thing, or further knowings - more grasp, more appreciation - would lead to decisions that would automatically be influenced...the decisions would be influenced by the "new" knowing.

I'm wondering if it would be possible, then, that the decisions, whether they be on a conscious level or not, would also fall within the agreement?

Um...would it always be the case that when one knows a thing that it would lead to more conscious consideration of that thing during the decision making process?