The Bible

[Unified Serenity]

I encourage those who are interested in line upon line dividing of the word to be willing to listen to this lecture from Arnold Murray. Avail yourself of this information, and decide if what he is sharing line upon line is accurate:

Speaking in Tongues - 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MZ87yEuG6xA

Speaking in Tongues - 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OFIpiNiyn6s

I could have done this in a post, but why repeat what another has done so well as above.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Hey Red,

This should cheer you up.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...underland.html

[Unified Serenity]

One of the problems many face is that they are left to listen to others who have researched and do not know how to verify what is taught for themselves. Many have been turned away from the bible because of traditions of man that make no sense to even a child, but they go along for years until they finally say, "It's just man's words, and its a prison. I am not going to be a prisoner and thus I am going to never read the bible or go to church or listen to a christian again."

This is all done by accident and by purpose as we get wolves in sheeps clothing sewing confusion by misapplying the bible texts. So, how do you study for yourself? Well, first note I said, study. A student must want to learn from a hunger and thirst for truth which hopefully comes from a hunger and thirst to know the one who loves each soul so much so as to send messengers to impart truth to us here. This video shows how you can study for yourself to know what is really said, and not trust what some person says. Dennis Murray tends to be a bit dry, but I think this video is pretty useful for the beginning student.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c1ppHeUlZf0

[RedeZra]

Glory to God


because His blood

bought us back


to God and goodness

from the devil and evil


He paid the price for our sins

so we would live and not die


eternally





don't you dare let the devil trick you down with him

if you don't want to crucify the Son of God again

just to spill His blood for nothing

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The eye that is looking at God is the same eye that is looking back.
Enlightened ones are uniform in what they say for thousands of year.
That is their "personal" knowing--- not learned from anyone else, not out of any book, culture, or conditioning.
Its a direct realisation of Truth.

Chris

the enlightened are probably possessed

not by the Holy spirit but by the spirit of shakti

test the spirits

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uq59KQV9wgY

feet don't fail me now

run back to the Cross

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uq59KQV9wgY

feet don't fail me now

run back to the Cross [/CENTER]

This man's testimony seems sincere, but it's sad that is does not line up with the actual word of God. I posted the video going line upon line regarding tongues. Show me where this Pastor who is a bible scholar made one mistake. The word "unknown" is not in the manuscripts when it says they spoke in an unknown tongue. The Greek word regarding tongues in the passages where Paul is talking about going to other churches and you speak in an unnaturally acquired tongue means one you did not get growing up. I have a naturally acquired tongue of English and have unnaturally acquired French and Hebrew. I am not fluent in them and thus if I were to wish to share a message at a church / synogogue that the predominant language was French or Hebrew, then it's best I take a translator who can impart the message with anointing so it does not lose it's effect in translation.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

This man's testimony seems sincere, but it's sad that is does not line up with the actual word of God.

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands [him]; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. - 1 Corinthians 14:2

[greybeard]

A lot of Sai Baba devotees were badly hurt when the stories began to surface,
I have no opinion on this but the advice I follow is ---put no head above your own (God/Jesus an exception).
Its the teaching not the teacher that points the way.
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God
The Kingdom of God is within.
Its not to be found externally ie in any book or teaching though they point to it.
Heaven is found within, it is your true Self.
The enlightened say God is Love and very few have even mentioned Shakti or Kundalini for that matter.
Quite a few Dr David Hawkins just one example have pointed out that Jesus is the Saviour.
Eckhart Tolle quotes Jesus as do many Western enlightened teachers.
So while there is a history of fallen gurus-- you cant lump all enlightened into that basket.


Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
So while there is a history of fallen gurus-- you cant lump all enlightened into that basket.

Chris

if enlightenment is actually possession by a powerful lying spirit

then the enlightened need an exorcism

to stop the possession and the lies

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

This man's testimony seems sincere, but it's sad that is does not line up with the actual word of God.

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands [him]; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. - 1 Corinthians 14:2

Nice cherry picking of scripture there Red. The fact is Paul is speaking about the fact that if you go into a church and speak English and all they understand is Russian then of course God understands you, but none of the people there would understand the wonderful message you are trying to share with them about all you have discovered in the mysteries of God and therefore he says you would be better to speak 5 words they do understand than a thousand they don't understand.

Again, the video I posted doesn't seem to be of interest to you, did you watch it?

[RedeZra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
This man's testimony seems sincere, but it's sad that is does not line up with the actual word of God.

And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples

he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."

And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism."

Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."

When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. - Acts 19:1-6



what language the Spirit of God

spoke through this adopted son Ron

i don't know and he doesn't know

God knows




"God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - Jhn 4:24


For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. - 1Cr 14:14


He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. - 1Cr 14:4


Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us [fn] with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit [is], because He makes intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. - Rom 8:26-27

[Beren]

"God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - Jhn 4:24

This is crucial.
Always!

Everything depends upon this one feature or action.

If not having this or being "in this"- meaning in spirit of truth - then you 're not aligned with God.
For God is a spirit.

Here everything is explained about God - for those who will see it , namely God is energy of life and Love. God is.
God is spirit hence neither man or woman, he or she and IS everything.

Everywhere,every time,above time,below time,here and there.

And here we find this gem in Bible. But aswell in other works too.

This tells us that we cannot be closed minded to say that God uses exclusively one way to communicate with his beings or all life.
Who is the one who can tell God how to speak?

Very rock would speak if God wants so.
Again this also tells us that everything is alive too.

Nature and animals and energies invisible to human eyes.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)

"God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - Jhn 4:24

If not having this or being "in this"- meaning in spirit of truth - then you 're not aligned with God.
For God is a spirit.

God is spirit hence neither man or woman, he or she and IS everything.

This tells us that we cannot be closed minded to say that God uses exclusively one way to communicate with his beings or all life.
Who is the one who can tell God how to speak?

the Son of God spoke what God told Him

so we don't have to guess what God wants

it is written in red ink in the Bible

protected by the Blood of the Word


who spoke the world into being

hung the earth on nothing and put a plasma ball in thin air

we are living within a work of God

called the creation

and nobody else can create an earth


God is Spirit

but so are angels fallen or not

little finite spirits

compared to and created by

God the Spirit


satan is just a finite spirit

who bases his deceptive work in the world on two big lies


you will not surely die

you will be like God


read reincarnation and God realisation


huge lies which will trick many into not seeking the redemptive Blood of the Son of God

and so not receive an inheritance in the Kingdom of God

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Beren (here)

"God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - Jhn 4:24

If not having this or being "in this"- meaning in spirit of truth - then you 're not aligned with God.
For God is a spirit.

God is spirit hence neither man or woman, he or she and IS everything.

This tells us that we cannot be closed minded to say that God uses exclusively one way to communicate with his beings or all life.
Who is the one who can tell God how to speak?

the Son of God spoke what God told Him

so we don't have to guess what God wants

it is written in red ink in the Bible

protected by the Blood of the Word


who spoke the world into being

hung the earth on nothing and put a plasma ball in thin air

we are living within a work of God

called the creation

and nobody else can create an earth


God is Spirit

but so are angels fallen or not

little finite spirits

compared to and created by

God the Spirit


satan is just a finite spirit

who bases his deceptive work in the world on two big lies


you will not surely die

you will be like God


read reincarnation and God realisation


huge lies which will trick many into not seeking the redemptive Blood of the Son of God

and so not receive an inheritance in the Kingdom of God

I know this but here`s the point Red,

Deceiver stated that WHEN they try the fruit they will be as God or become God and eyes will be open.
Deceiver simply brushed out the fact that they were already God`s children thus by inheritance Gods themselves so why the need to become one that you already are?

Here we see the deceiver- twister of truth.

Secondly surely you will not die was a deep statement and a lie.
At that point humans didn`t know what is death while in body.

Later one we saw through Bible and Jesus that death is a stage of life , inevitable sign of change.
By stating that they will not die , deceiver lied about the natural circles of Universe where everything moves on continuously, there cannot be a stop.

Hencefore they died but Jesus returned us to life by his blood ( life force from God).
So believing in literal blood is nonsense but believing or knowing the life force in blood of lamb or Jesus (all this is a figure of speech) is the life.

All that we saw written in Bible and other works is always multileveled.

From beginners in understanding to the grown ups in knowing.

Why Jesus came from spirit realm in the first place?
To elevate the consciousness by all means.

This is the crux of the matter, stories about blood,service,sacrifice,preaching and else are there as tools for lower and various consciousnesses to be lifted up.

Anyone who cries about bloodthirsty God should look deeper into things and above bias of religion and dogma of various sects and people from all continents aswell as spiritual beings with their influences.

Bible is a good tool but eventually you have to either raise up into God`s embrace and Love or be boggled down with need for written word as the last stand in your level of consciousness.
No good tool should be wasted or thrown ,just used properly.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)
Deceiver stated that WHEN they try the fruit they will be as God or become God and eyes will be open.
Deceiver simply brushed out the fact that they were already God`s children thus by inheritance Gods themselves so why the need to become one that you already are?

Adam and Eve were not God and will never ever be nor become God

and neither will we


satan wanted to be God

and so he fell with our first parents


pride is a powerful deception

Posted by Beren (here)
Secondly surely you will not die was a deep statement and a lie.
At that point humans didn`t know what is death while in body.

Later one we saw through Bible and Jesus that death is a stage of life , inevitable sign of change.
By stating that they will not die , deceiver lied about the natural circles of Universe where everything moves on continuously, there cannot be a stop.

Hencefore they died but Jesus returned us to life by his blood ( life force from God).
So believing in literal blood is nonsense but believing or knowing the life force in blood of lamb or Jesus (all this is a figure of speech) is the life.

Jesus spilt literal blood

because it takes the Blood of God to pay the price for the sins of humanity


if Jesus did not spill His blood

not figuratively but very literal

then our souls would be condemn to death and damnation by our own sins


so sin is not just serious

it is a matter of life and death

and only the Blood of God can forgive our sins and so atone for our souls

not figuratively but literal


it is done and it is shed

so no need to go to hell


Just accept Jesus

and stop sinning

He is the only bridge across Hades



"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." - John 14:21

[GCS1103]

Does anyone have an opinion about the following:

Assume there is a kind-hearted and loving person...this person has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, because he/she was never made aware of his existence. (someone living in a small village outside of society). If this person is totally unaware of Jesus, will they be denied entrance to the eternal kingdom? I've asked this question of many people and there is always a split of opinion. Personally, I can't imagine God denying an innocent, unaware human being of their place in heaven, because they were never exposed to this knowledge.

What are your thoughts about a situation like this?

[modwiz]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
Does anyone have an opinion about the following:

Assume there is a kind-hearted and loving person...this person has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, because he/she was never made aware of his existence. (someone living in a small village outside of society). If this person is totally unaware of Jesus, will they be denied entrance to the eternal kingdom? I've asked this question of many people and there is always a split of opinion. Personally, I can't imagine God denying an innocent, unaware human being of their place in heaven, because they were never exposed to this knowledge.

What are your thoughts about a situation like this?

I can't imagine denial into the place a good spirit belongs in. I think it is sad that we even have such a denial of entry scenario anywhere in our programming. I'm pretty sure I know how Red feels about this and I have no problem with it as a personal belief. Such beliefs affect the believer only, unless that believer has the power to affect others. Red's efforts are appreciated for what they are. He believes his information is crucial for us to to experience the best outcome. Can't fault that motivation.

[RedeZra]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)

What are your thoughts about a situation like this?

this is a compassionate question

but it assumes that God is not aware of every heart

and so not able to guide and guard those who want to do right and good


life is all about loving compassion and righteous conduct

and if we want that then God wants us in His kingdom

[Unified Serenity]

I believe God does not judge the ignorant harshly, but those who willfully deny truth when presented and lift themselves above and say they are God and know what is best.

I grew up with a lot of people where the truths presented in the bible are never allowed and they were beautiful souls who lived a life of love and giving to one another. I cannot judge anyone, and thus I must just trust that God is loving and compassionate in all decisions.

[greybeard]

The core of Jesus message is love all--- without exception.
He said "God forgive them for they know not what they do"
So Jesus asked God to forgive those who lacked knowledge or understanding of his teaching.
He wasn’t just limiting it to his followers-- then or now.
God being all wise loving and compassionate understands that there are different cultures and to each gave a suitable way/teachers for their situation.

Whatever Sai Baba was, I think most of his teaching was valid--- Love all serve all--- Go home and be a better Christian-- Buddhist, Moslem, Hindu etc
Just two of his sayings.

The Paradox is that the enlightened sage can say I am God yet see that God as Creator is of an infinite spiritual energy while their energy, while the same is not to be compared with the Creator.
Its like comparing a 40watt bulb to the sun.
Dr David Hawkins whom I believe to be fully enlightened starts and ends his talks with Gloria in Excelsus Deo (glory to God in the Highest.)
Jesus said "You are Gods" open to misinterpretation fair enough.
There is no where that God is not so he is is within all.
The Indian culture realises this and their greeting is Namaste --- " I greet the God within you"
I think it is a big mistake to preach that only Christian go to heaven. ( thats the cause of many wars)
To imply that denies the verry essence of the teaching of Jesus.
Jesus said " In my Fathers house are many mansions"

Every hair on your head is counted -- therefore no act of kindness goes unnoticed.

Chris