The Bible

[Beren]

Chris,

You said the core matter.
This is hard to grasp for all who are deliberately limited.

Jesus gave freedom but with freedom comes responsibility .

This is bugging us all - all around universe-responsibility.

You are free to do whatever you so please but every choice brings repercussions- good or bad.
Wisdom is to recognize this and act accordingly.

In previous ages on Earth nations were so primitive that they couldn`t grasp any other concept but blood.
Blood of the sacrificed animals or humans , blood as life force of the body, blood as the life `s archetype.

Hence Jesus`s blood for those who are loved beyond comprehension of their minds.
Looking from God`s view point nothing is ever wasted so if they want blood - they got it.

Just that three days afterwards Jesus comes back and says I`m alive and well ,follow me and live as I am.
This way you are united with God.

Thomas was the doubting one and an archetype of all doubtful humans everywhere .

Unless he sees flesh and blood he would not believe.
What happened ? Thomas saw for three and a half years all the force and power of God at work and he still didn`t believe...

A typical human condition of low conscience.

Jesus gave his doubt a reproval by allowing him to touch the wounds and feel the flesh and blood but said that lucky and blessed are the ones who don`t NEED flesh and blood to know, to believe ,to be.

Same is happening again .
How much more evidence we would need to embrace living Christ and God?

P.S.
Red, I think you should re examine this that we are Gods.

"Let us make man according to our image"
"Ye are gods"
"I don`t call you servants anymore but brothers"
"If you are the children you are inheritors of the blessings"

If we are God`s kids- then we are God`s flesh and blood in this realm and his essence in spirit.

By pretending that we`re not and without a desire for responsibility we make chaos.
If we would accept that God is our Father and Mother and all to us- our Creator we should accept responsibility of power of God.
Because we`re God`s own.

Future Gods each and everyone of us.

"Father and I are one"
"If you are united with me - you are with Father"

One means one.

But focus is upon acknowledging who we are and taking responsibility.
One who is branded as Satan (adversary) is the one who couldn`t take responsibility for its actions and shifted the blame upon others.

He lied that we need to become as Gods.
We were already Gods.

But our actions strayed us from this realization and we imagined that we`re lowly form of life.
United with God makes you as powerful as he is.


Sure it`s a long way towards this but eventually there it leads.

[Krullenjongen]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
Does anyone have an opinion about the following:

Assume there is a kind-hearted and loving person...this person has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, because he/she was never made aware of his existence. (someone living in a small village outside of society). If this person is totally unaware of Jesus, will they be denied entrance to the eternal kingdom? I've asked this question of many people and there is always a split of opinion. Personally, I can't imagine God denying an innocent, unaware human being of their place in heaven, because they were never exposed to this knowledge.

What are your thoughts about a situation like this?

I think this relates to your question.

Rom 2:12-16 (KJV)
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


I think that if someone does not have the law or any knowledge of Jesus Christ he still can be welcomed into heaven if his deeds are righteous.

[greybeard]

St Teresa (india) when asked how she managed to help the many that she did, People that many would cross the street to avoid-- lepers--untouchables) replied. " I see them all as Christ in disguise"
That is Love in action and is of the same sentiment as Namaste though many may say it without realising the truth of it.
Jesus said He was one with the Father and that we could do the same as Him and more.
That seems clear to me.

Chris

Ps from that I get that Jesus was saying in essence we are the same as He or at the very least having the same potential as He

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)
P.S.
Red, I think you should re examine this that we are Gods.

"Let us make man according to our image"
"Ye are gods"
"I don`t call you servants anymore but brothers"
"If you are the children you are inheritors of the blessings"

If we are God`s kids- then we are God`s flesh and blood in this realm and his essence in spirit.

to me God with a capital G is the Trinity

the Father Son and the Holy spirit

the Creator


i am a creation with a potential

to do good and evil


i believe God told us in the Bible

and put it in our hearts


the knowledge of good and evil


so the promise of God is eternal life to the good

but the bad still got a life line in Jesus


there is a distinction between the Creator and all the created

so no matter how glorious we will be

God is still God alone


let us not compare ourselves to Jesus

but instead try to imitate Him

[RedeZra]

it's all true


every word we read in the Book

is preserved and protected by the Blood


this is how it is

was and will be


if we doubt the inerrancy of the Book of God

then we doubt the power of the Blood of God


spilt to save us from sin

so we would live


people this is no time for pride

this is no time to talk


Get to know God

who is waiting

wondering

why we don't seek Him


we got to take the first step

this is how it works


we got to seek Him if we want to find Him

[kreagle]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
Does anyone have an opinion about the following:

Assume there is a kind-hearted and loving person...this person has never been exposed to the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, because he/she was never made aware of his existence. (someone living in a small village outside of society). If this person is totally unaware of Jesus, will they be denied entrance to the eternal kingdom? I've asked this question of many people and there is always a split of opinion. Personally, I can't imagine God denying an innocent, unaware human being of their place in heaven, because they were never exposed to this knowledge.

What are your thoughts about a situation like this?

GCS1103,

This is an "excellent question" and presents a superb opportunity to get to know our Lord God,....."even better" than we previously did. First, we need to realize that God knows "exactly what our progress report is",........whether it is "zero", (as in the scenario you have presented here),......or perhaps one might have "marginal understanding" of God's Word,....just "not enough,...or lacking". Finally, there are "those" who may have acquired a "great deal of Biblical knowledge",.....but still require an enlightening from God before they will be in total "harmony with His Gospel Message".

Regardless of the "individual's" progress report,.....whether it stands at,....."zero",....."marginal",.....or "substantial",......we can assuredly know that it's the desire of God for us to ultimately arrive at a "state of completion" in our lifetime!

2 Peter 3:9
King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The Scriptures "clearly teach us" that He is "no respecter of persons",.....so we can rest assured that "He has a plan for everyone"!

While it is fully commendable to "fret over" the isolated individual you have spoken of, GCS1103,.....let us not forget about "who" we are dealing with here,....namely our GOD,.....and His "unlimited mental capabilities"!!!

Psalm 147:3-5
King James Version (KJV)

3 He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

(point)

"If" God can tell the number of the stars. (approx. 500 billion in "our galaxy", alone.,......with 100's and 100's of billions "additional" galaxies "out there") (How many times have we "revised" our numbers,......while He already knows "exactly"?)

"If" God can even call them by their names ( "every",......last......one.....of......them!!!)

"Then" God certainly won't have "any difficulty" keeping up with a "kind-hearted, loving person" who is somewhat isolated in a remote area of our meager planet!

What a mighty God we serve!!!!

It's with "this comfort in knowing" that He has us "all accounted for",.....and knows "exactly where we are",.....that we can move on to the "next promise of God".

Ephesians 4:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

It's with "this passage" that we have the promise,.....(His Word cannot fail),......that God "will call you",........wherever you are!

You'll notice that we are "promised",.....at least,......"one calling".

No one will be able to stand,.....on the Day of Judgment,....and accuse God,......"you never called me!!!,......For He did!!!,.......He will be able to "show us our past",.....and the moment,.....of our "calling".

Once a person "answers their personal calling",....God "will then send you a "teacher", who will then "expound the way" of salvation to you!,.....He "always" does!

Note the following accounts....... (please read!)

A "marginal understanding" of God's Word.......the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40)

.....an angel "dispatches" the Apostle Philip to this "hungry soul",......the "eunuch" doesn't understand the passage he is reading from the Book of Isaiah,........Philip "expounds" and teaches Jesus,........"eunuch" is baptized and Spirit filled,.......God "miraculously" whisks Philip away!!!!


A "great deal of Biblical knowledge"........Cornelius ("and" his household) (Acts 10:1-48)

.....an angel appears to Cornelius and "instructs him" to send his servants for the Apostle Peter,.....Peter obeys and comes to his household,......met by Cornelius and his "entire household",......Peter "expounds" and teaches Jesus,.......Cornelius and his "entire household" are baptized and Spirit filled.

....and finally....

A "zero understanding" of God's Word.........a remote "kind-hearted, loving person"

God has "plenty of angels,.....teachers,.......servants"......to send!!!!

Repentance,........Water Baptism, in Jesus' name,........Filled with the Holy Ghost!!!

......and "NOW",......they've obeyed the Gospel Message (Acts 2:38)

What a mighty God we serve!!!


Love and Peace,.........kreagle

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
P.S.
Red, I think you should re examine this that we are Gods.

"Let us make man according to our image"
"Ye are gods"
"I don`t call you servants anymore but brothers"
"If you are the children you are inheritors of the blessings"

If we are God`s kids- then we are God`s flesh and blood in this realm and his essence in spirit.

to me God with a capital G is the Trinity

the Father Son and the Holy spirit

the Creator


i am a creation with a potential

to do good and evil


i believe God told us in the Bible

and put it in our hearts


the knowledge of good and evil


so the promise of God is eternal life to the good

but the bad still got a life line in Jesus


there is a distinction between the Creator and all the created

so no matter how glorious we will be

God is still God alone


let us not compare ourselves to Jesus

but instead try to imitate Him

See, here you said "to me".
It's natural for us humans to make images of God according to our level of consciousness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all part of Creator.
Since God is a spirit and function outside and beyond the laws of physics and above total understanding of incarnated beings for their very nature cannot grasp higher form of life, unless they themselves grow higher.
Since God is a spirit it is everywhere,omnipotent and Love itself aswell as Life itself.

It can manifest in any imaginable way since it simply can.

Thus the words in Bible that "no one seen the Father but only begotten son".

Jesus "saw" Father in its pristine form - all powerful intelligent and loving spiritual energy. Jesus saw Father when he tuned in to this frequency.

So in essence no one can see God unless they tune in this frequency.
Jesus is God embodied and God who has flesh.

But real and utter nature of God is a spirit.

Our aim is to be God embodied as Jesus was and is for his nowadays level is that he can also be whatever he wants to be and now he isn't a "he" anymore but a spirit.

Jesus came to lead us there to that stage showing us that we are God's kids thus God itself in the process of manifestation.

And yes as you say there is a distinction between God and creation but and I repeat BUT when you look through God's point of view- there isn't really.
So from our point of view when a man comes and proclaims "I am God" - he is telling the truth from ultimate point of view but from current human and other (say ET) point of view that person isn't God for they do not do the things God does.

So should we condemn this person or should we elevate him or her to better understanding of God?

God doesn't need to brag how he is God for everything around it says that God is God.
Only lower levels of consciousness brag about this.

That's why this much need road toward becoming a God.
Here lies the wisdom of Christ and how to become like God by loving God and all others.

Also comparing ourselves with Christ isn't necessary for we are each and everyone of us unique so why comparing with others?
We can tune in to Christ and let that Christ is shaped in us. We should grow in this awareness and being as Christ is. Then we become his brothers and sisters.

Then we are God embodied.

[greybeard]

So true Beren
We are consciousness (spirit) evolving to know itself as it is in True reality.
In order to know itself subject and object are needed--- time being--- duality.
Manifestation of form was necessary--- we consciousness/spirit are the in-dweller in the various forms
In reality only God is.
He became all without diminishing Himself.
Lift a stone and I am there.
That is why the truly enlightened (free from ignorance) can truthfully say "I am the totality all of it"
God is formless --- the mystic/sage/enlightened are both form, formless and beyond that concept.
That has been known for many thousands of year--- its in the ancient vedic texts.
As far as I can see Jesus said much the same thing.
Truth is Truth
Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)

And yes as you say there is a distinction between God and creation but and I repeat BUT when you look through God's point of view- there isn't really.
So from our point of view when a man comes and proclaims "I am God" - he is telling the truth from ultimate point of view but from current human and other (say ET) point of view that person isn't God for they do not do the things God does.

yes this is the eastern enlightenment view

but it is not Biblical


even i used to put the enlightened on pedestals

but they are probably just possessed by a powerful spirit



and so the argument... the enlightened says so

is like saying the colorblind have a problem with colors


true but we are not all colorblind lol

[greybeard]

Dear Red
It is definitely best not put anyone’s head above your own---The Buddha said that.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s what it is.
Ramana Mharshi and others were speaking from a direct realisation of Truth not an opinion which can be tainted by emotionalism.
Trust not the heart.
Ramana's teaching was in my lifetime and the words were taken down verbatim not years after from memory.
Its worth looking at his life story if you haven’t already Red.
Love poured out of him.
If that's possessed well I really don’t know!!!
Please Red don’t throw the baby out with the bath water just because you no doubt had good reason to be disillusioned.
Im coming from love for you, love of Truth and I think you know that Red.
Truth is eternal and therefore existed before the Bible.
God would not have left us pre Jesus/pre Bible with out access to Truth.
Rational common-sense would point to that would it not?

Chris

St Teresa wrote a very positive resume of Dr Hawkins book and she was nobody’s fool.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Dear Red
It is definitely best not put anyone’s head above your own---The Buddha said that.
You are entitled to your opinion but that’s what it is.
Ramana Mharshi and others were speaking from a direct realisation of Truth not an opinion which can be tainted by emotionalism.
Trust not the heart.
Ramana's teaching was in my lifetime and the words were taken down verbatim not years after from memory.
Its worth looking at his life story if you haven’t already Red.
Love poured out of him.
If that's possessed well I really don’t know!!!

i know Chris and i don't like to say it

but Ramana like all the enlightened are at odds with the Bible

so something is seriously not right


as you say we should not put the head of anyone above our own

but are we not doing that with the enlightened ?


oh he is enlightened so he must know

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Beren (here)

And yes as you say there is a distinction between God and creation but and I repeat BUT when you look through God's point of view- there isn't really.
So from our point of view when a man comes and proclaims "I am God" - he is telling the truth from ultimate point of view but from current human and other (say ET) point of view that person isn't God for they do not do the things God does.

yes this is the eastern enlightenment view

but it is not Biblical


even i used to put the enlightened on pedestals

but they are probably just possessed by a powerful spirit



and so the argument... the enlightened says so

is like saying the colorblind have a problem with colors


true but we are not all colorblind lol

Well I don't know is it eastern or not because I can here say openly that I've never read anything from Eastern philosophy.
Didn't read Vedas, Hindu or Buddhism works,didn't went to India on holy trips, didn't visited any shaman,didn't practiced any rituals,didn't used any psychedelic substance (David Icke & ayahasca prim. out ),didn't invoke spirits form other realms, didn't followed cults of personalities, didn't do anything which many people do... I speak from what I know and understand inspired by holy spirit of God.
If I tell you that my prime source of understanding is coming directly from God by holy spirit, would you believe me?

Anyways it is so but this can be achieved by anyone on Earth. The thing is that you need to trust God and Christ deeply and grow in awareness willingly and NOT be stumbled by temporarily blockage in understanding the ways of the Lord.
Ways of the Lord are weird for humans but are full of Love and wonders along the way.
I am simply allowing the holy spirit to guide me wherever for I trust God as my Father and Christ as my Lord and brother.

Now,

didn't Jesus said that after one of the apostles wanted to bring fire down from heaven and tell others who teach in his name or similar that they couldn't?

Jesus replied that who ever isn't against him actually IS for him.

So step outside of any frame and think like God would.
Put yourself in God's shoes (we're all called to do this and it's called compassion or looking through eyes of others), and walk a bit.
You 'd see how life is.

And everybody is aligned with some spirit hence an advice in Bible that we should test all spirits so we may see which one is God's or belonging in God's family.

If you want to use the argument of something being Biblical, well in Jesus times it wasn't biblical to help your neighbor on sabbath because it would be considered work thus the breaking of God's law.
It wasn't Biblical to heal anyone in Sabbath though Jesus knew all this he didn't cared for this rule.
It was man made so he brushed it out.

Spirit is above written law.
Law of God is law of Love and is written on human hearts and souls, reconnecting with soul and heart is reconnecting with the law of God and God itself.

So you can freely put enlightened on pedestal for you are giving them an honor but they will be responsible for being united with God or not.
By elevating them you're not worshiping them just honoring - sharing love and IF THEY ARE really enlightened they will recognize this and return the same to you.

So no idolatry or false worshiping of anyone.

If enlightened says so and so - you be the wise one and test those words by the law of God which is law of Love and highest purity.
If they pass then why not listen those words form those who are enlightened?

Don't worry about people ,just be connected with God and Christ in spirit and Love and everything will sort itself out.

[Beren]

Bless you Kreagle!

[RedeZra]

Posted by Beren (here)
If I tell you that my prime source of understanding is coming directly from God by holy spirit, would you believe me?

Anyways it is so but this can be achieved by anyone on Earth.

i would go Biblical on you ; )

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
If I tell you that my prime source of understanding is coming directly from God by holy spirit, would you believe me?

Anyways it is so but this can be achieved by anyone on Earth.

i would go Biblical on you ; )

And I would smile as Jesus would and gave you five
and possibly say "chill out" ...

And after some lounge on the Earth somewhere would ask you to come and carry on with aiding souls in greater understanding of God...

[truthseekerdan]

Thought is appropriate to include this link here for those that have "eyes and ears" ready to be open, and are sincere in finding 'their truth'...

iON answers the question of who is God and what is God’s name.



Link: http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...ho-is-god.html

Much Love & Wisdom

[greybeard]

Its good to have in mind that those who are enlightened ancient and modern, are of all cultures --- all races-- not allied to any dogma/religion.

Once again Jesus said The Father and I are One-- you can do the same is what he said in essence.

The enlightened of the world say--- you and God are One in your very essence and can know that.
That is your true natural condition when all the ignorance has gone.
It takes the Grace of God for that to happen.
Where is the difference then between the root of the teaching of Jesus and what is taught by those enlightened.
Love is the essence.

So many sages over thousands of years are reporting the same as Jesus said "The Father and I are One"

I dont mind being wrong.
I just want to realise the Truth for myself.

I dont see much love, outside their own following, inherent in the various fundamentalist groups/religions.
Bible study groups fall out with each other over the small print.
Perhaps they do not see the wood for the trees.
Look to the essence of the word of Jesus I doubt if that is the same as the essence of the Old Testament.
I believe Jesus came to correct misunderstandings of the true nature of God which is Love

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Each One Of Us is The Great I AM. Either you are aware of IT or not...



Psalm 46:10

[Unified Serenity]

I dunno, all this spirit talk. I hope we keep tata's in the next age.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The enlightened of the world say--- you and God are One in your very essence and can know that.

the enlightened imply that Christ did not have to come and die on the Cross

as we can do it on our own


that we can somehow become God because we already are God

so we don't need Jesus


is this true or is it a seductive snare ?


satan is so very cunning