The Bible

[greybeard]

Red look at the teaching
"Seek you first the Kingdom of God (and all things will be given to you
Heaven lies within"
It does not say get into the small print then seek.
It is saying look deeply within.
How many Christian group advocate meditation?
Most seem to point to God out there as in not really part of you.

The world needed Jesus because the majority had failed to listen to enlightened teachers.
The ones who were no longer ignorant were already in the Presence of God--- united with.

If you want you can totally ignore all that happened before Jesus and put your trust totally in Him and that is a safe place to be.
Anyone putting their faith in any religious organisation particularly a fundamentalist one can test the love of the group by leaving and going ones own way. Then see what happens.
The fundamentalist say or at least imply--- everyone got it wrong but us --- we are the elite, we are the elect, the chosen ones, the ones going to heaven.

The truly enlightened do not mind if you come and listen to the teaching or go they have no agenda.
Some teach in silence.

Yes the Satan is very clever he likes to divide to make wrong to confuse.

As a child and at other times I had spiritual experiences being Loved before I even picked up a spiritual book.
The teachings just confirmed what I already knew.
I know God is Love.


With Love Chris

Ps you cant make enlightenment happen---- it is by the Grace of God

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Red look at the teaching
"Seek you first the Kingdom of God (and all things will be given to you
Heaven lies within"

what do the Kingdom of God mean ?

it means God is King in Heaven


where is Heaven ?

somewhere


how can we see and enter the Kingdom of God ?

by being born again of water and the Holy spirit


but who will send us the Holy spirit ?

Jesus

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
If you want you can totally ignore all that happened before Jesus and put your trust totally in Him and that is a safe place to be.

who is this Jesus ?


in Hebrew He is Yahushua which means Yahweh is Salvation

so whether we like it or not

Jesus and the New Testament is intrinsically linked with Yahweh and the Old Testament


Jesus was born 2000 years ago and yet He existed before Abraham

Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." John 8:58


so Who is He ?

GOD


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

He was in the beginning with God.

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. - John 1:1-3

[greybeard]

Red if you have become a Born again Christian that's fine.
Seems each Christian group claims only their baptism is valid.
No religion has a monopoly on God.
I was baptised Catholic.

The only suggestion is why not leave the rest of us to the Love of God?

He got me this far--- saved my life on four occasions so I have complete faith in that Love.

I was born alone and will die alone--- I belong to none other than God who looks after me with every breath I am given.

With Love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The only suggestion is why not leave the rest of us to the Love of God?

He got me this far--- saved my life on four occasions so I have complete faith in that Love.

I was born alone and will die alone--- I belong to none other that God who looks after me with every breath I am given.

With Love Chris

God is good and long-suffering


but we got so many gods

and God do not like idols


God got a Name

[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
The only suggestion is why not leave the rest of us to the Love of God?

He got me this far--- saved my life on four occasions so I have complete faith in that Love.

I was born alone and will die alone--- I belong to none other that God who looks after me with every breath I am given.

With Love Chris

God is good and long-suffering


but we got so many gods

and God do not like idols


God got a Name

All true and do you know the biggest idol Red?
Its the focus on Dogma and our church has got it right out of all the 30 thousand Christian Organisations.
The one valid baptism.
The Church the idol and worshipped oh so subtly---- God sidelined.
If you disobey the the dogma you are outcast.

There is only one God there is only One.
He made heaven and earth.
Anyway we could go round and round for ever Red
I wish you well on your path.

With love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
There is only one God there is only One.
He made heaven and earth.

why is it extremely important to know who God is ?

because we will follow the teachings of whom we think is God


so when we pick a fake god then we will walk a fake way


God is not just nice to know but need to know

[kreagle]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
The only suggestion is why not leave the rest of us to the Love of God?

He got me this far--- saved my life on four occasions so I have complete faith in that Love.

I was born alone and will die alone--- I belong to none other that God who looks after me with every breath I am given.

With Love Chris

God is good and long-suffering


but we got so many gods

and God do not like idols


God got a Name

All true and do you know the biggest idol Red?
Its the focus on Dogma and our church has got it right out of all the 30 thousand Christian Organisations.
The one valid baptism.The Church the idol and worshipped oh so subtly---- God sidelined.
If you disobey the the dogma you are outcast.

There is only one God there is only One.
He made heaven and earth.
Anyway we could go round and round for ever Red
I wish you well on your path.

With love Chris

greybeard,....."and",......RedeZra,

I'd like for "both" of you to give your "interpretation" of "one valid baptism"

Expound, if you will.

Love and Peace,........kreagle

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by RedeZra (here)


so when we pick a fake god then we will walk a fake way


God is not just nice to know but need to know

The only "fake god" is one's false (illusionary) identity a.k.a. the ego mind.

Don't let it deceive you...

[Unified Serenity]

The fact is what's in the heart is what matters, and what you believe the word teaches. If one becomes a believer and cannot get baptized before they die, then it is believed had they not died they would have been baptized and thus are seen as baptized by desire. Those who are not able to immerse as that is what a mikvah is which is what John the Baptist did was a mikvah which is full immersion. However, if you are near an area and all there is is a sink, grab some water and profess your faith in Yeshua the Messiah and be baptized in his name. There is not reason for separation. I see no reason for division. Why not enjoy a free flowing river with your spiritual leader dunking you and you getting the opportunity to confess your faith and praise the Lord? We have too little free praise of the Lord. Michal mocked David for his praising of God, and she was unapproved. We need a lot more joy and love freely expressed and too many are bottled up with fear of the spirit of man. There is nothing more beautiful than singing and dancing to the Lord with a pure heart with your brothers and sisters. It is pure and it's near child like. When did we learn to be so stolid?

I say, if it was good enough for Jesus / Yeshua and I follow in his steps then it is good enough for me. I have been blessed to baptize a handful of people. I hold that as one of the greatest honors I have ever had. There is no greater joy than being present at someone's day of declaration and freedom in the Lord!

[GCS1103]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
The fact is what's in the heart is what matters, and what you believe the word teaches. If one becomes a believer and cannot get baptized before they die, then it is believed had they not died they would have been baptized and thus are seen as baptized by desire. Those who are not able to immerse as that is what a mikvah is which is what John the Baptist did was a mikvah which is full immersion. However, if you are near an area and all there is is a sink, grab some water and profess your faith in Yeshua the Messiah and be baptized in his name. There is not reason for separation. I see no reason for division. Why not enjoy a free flowing river with your spiritual leader dunking you and you getting the opportunity to confess your faith and praise the Lord? We have too little free praise of the Lord. Michal mocked David for his praising of God, and she was unapproved. We need a lot more joy and love freely expressed and too many are bottled up with fear of the spirit of man. There is nothing more beautiful than singing and dancing to the Lord with a pure heart with your brothers and sisters. It is pure and it's near child like. When did we learn to be so stolid?

I say, if it was good enough for Jesus / Yeshua and I follow in his steps then it is good enough for me. I have been blessed to baptize a handful of people. I hold that as one of the greatest honors I have ever had. There is no greater joy than being present at someone's day of declaration and freedom in the Lord!

Hey, U.S.-

It's a real pleasure having you add your voice here. I've long believed that "The Bible" thread posters are some of the wisest and most compassionate members on this forum. I love coming here to read some of the posts by Red, Beren, Kreagle, Greybeard, Modwiz and so on. Now you're here and you obviously bring a lot of knowledge to the subject. I truly believe that many of the answers as to what is going on today, in this dysfunctional world, are to be found in the analysis right here on this thread.

[greybeard]

Hi Kreagle
I think all Christian baptism is valid for Christians--- as said the problem is some churches denounce other churches baptism as invalid.
As Dan has said the ego is the cause of all the misery in this world.
This need to be right--- make other wrong be special is pure ego
see here.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...o-transcend-it.

chris

[greybeard]

To Be clear I love Jesus the only difference between my path and the teaching portrayed by the various Christian denominations is, I believe that Jesus pointed to enlightenment in a lifetime also to Heaven after death.

Heaven lies within to be found during or after earthly life.
Be still and know that I am God is for me is an indication to meditate and know/find God within.
There is nowhere God is not so it is possible to find God both within and out with the human body.
Inament and transcendent.
Namaste
Chris

[RedeZra]

imagine what God our Creator must think and feel

when He came to die on the Cross for a bloody good reason


while we go around after other gods or hoist ourselves up as one

and so shut our ears to His message


oh but we don't think Jesus is God


that is fine and what this thread is all about

to investigate the Divinity of Jesus Christ and check the believability of the Bible

[RedeZra]

this is an interesting talk from a former kundalini teacher

who got a good grip on both the doctrine of enlightenment and the dogma of salvation

Mike Shreve 60 min 8 parts

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lzt9n13AfHs

[RedeZra]

Posted by kreagle (here)
I'd like for "both" of you to give your "interpretation" of "one valid baptism"

the point of baptism

is to receive the Holy spirit whom the Father will send in the Name of Jesus


"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26



"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

"teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, [even] to the end of the age." So be it - Matthew 28:19-20



the Holy spirit is crucial for our salvation

and we only receive Him in the Name of Jesus

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I believe that Jesus pointed to enlightenment in a lifetime also to Heaven after death.

Salvation is simple and instant


today is the day to be born again

to receive the Holy spirit in Jesu Name


eternal life is easily achieved and yet... yet

[greybeard]

I think it important to look at the essence of Jesus teaching and the literal.
" Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within"
So God is within. (all)
"The Father and I are One."
"You can do all that I have done and more"

These teachings lead me to believe that we can do the same as Jesus-- He said so did He not?

So If Jesus can be One with God and He is, so can we.

Enlightenment is by the Grace of God--- you cant earn it you cant make it happen-- it is as yet a very rare event.

Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I think it important to look at the essence of Jesus teaching and the literal.
" Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within"
So God is within. (all)
"The Father and I are One."
"You can do all that I have done and more"

These teachings lead me to believe that we can do the same as Jesus-- He said so did He not?

So If Jesus can be One with God and He is, so can we.

yes we can

if we got the Holy spirit within us


but we are not born with the Holy spirit

we must be born again



Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5

[RedeZra]

a short conversation between God and a dead guy


Hello did you receive My Son ?

no i didn't know i was supposed to


so what did you do with your life ?

well pretty much what i wanted


do you not know the ways of the world is not My way ?

i thought it was all about me


No it is all about My Son and His kingdom