Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[we-R-one]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
I hold David Icke in very high regards as well, as he was instrumental in my awakening, but there are others right here on this very forum who I also see in the same light. While I happen to heartilly agree with David's sentiments, I would hope that most of us by now are beyond the point of holding famous people's opinions any higher than our own, or of the ones we've come to trust and respect in our own circles.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all.

What I do know, is that no matter what happens, all will be well, as it always has been, and always will be.

Cheers,
Fred

I somewhat agree with what you're saying BUT, the Icke's, Wilcock's and Maxwells, do serve a purpose. I for one don't have time to delve into the "halls of science" as someone once stated as an acceptable form by which one should get their information. Additionally I don't have 20 plus years in the field like some of these guys. I work, like most people, and there's little time to investigate on my own, so these often under-appreciated mortals have served me well as I'm grateful for what they've brought to the table. It's up to me to discern whether the information is acceptable or not. I also realize that we are all spiritually growing and some of the information put forth may become outdated as new information is discovered so I give these guys some slack and don't discount their credibility if they make an error as they too are learning. At least they have the balls to step out in the forefront. It doesn't mean I'm a follower per se, or I that I can't think for myself. These guys are "us." Often their work gets sent to the slaughter house for merely bringing information out for public view, so other's can learn from their discoveries.

Are we as human beings not suppose to share what we find with eachother all for the sake of being fearful of being accused of being a guru wanna be? Should we all just shut up and keep to ourselves? I hate to say it, but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen, even here on Avalon where we're suppose to know better than that. I don't care who puts the information out, it's never good enough, it's never the right person, blah, blah, blah....everyone here will argue till the sun doesn't shine and that's why we don't win. I'm not picking on you Fred, but rather merely making an observation in conjunction with your post.

[Kimberley]

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Breaking News Report, July 5, 2012: Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light - please post (youtube to follow)
Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light by Court
Thursday, July 5, 2012-Toronto, Canada –
History was made yesterday when a legal team headed by Jason Bowman of the ACP was granted the right to proceed with its filing of a criminal conspiracy lawsuit against the Vatican, Crown of England and other parties.

A Federal Court judge in Toronto examined the material and granted leave for the full application to be filed and presented in court next Monday, July 9.

UPDATE: Historical Application to be Filed and Served Upon the Vatican, the Queen, & Others – Court Directs Applicants in Chambers Today RE: Monday’s ex-parte Motion

http://federalclassactions.wordpress...-parte-motion/

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State:

http://itccs.org/

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And related to the debate taking place on this thread ...not what I posted above... if you have not listened to this interview that Kerry did with Weidner in February 2012 I recommend it highly... and if you did listen I recommend you might want to listen again...

Jay Weidner on Project Camelot Radio with Kerry Cassidy. Recorded on February 8th, 2012.

http://www.jayweidner.com/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W9fVkqRzyZo

Much love to us all!!!

[gripreaper]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Maybe I'm way off base here, but let's see. It seems to me that the whole point of what we're all doing here, is to get ourselves to the point where we don't necessarily need the opinions of the David Ickes, Jordan Maxwells, Bill Ryans, Drakes, etc., to come to our own conclusions about things. If this forum Bill has created is not a training ground for any who so desire to be the same type of influential individual in this world, then I don't know what it is after all

Cheers,
Fred

I think you've hit the core energy on this one Fred. To me, the overall "shift" of this age, is to move away from victimhood and saviors, to self determination and self realization.

Sure, in Bills post he mentions giving latitude to youth as they search and figure out what's what, but I think it extends to all of mankind at this juncture. WE were taught, ALL OF US, from cradle to grave to submit our power to authority, from dis-incarnate God's, to our guardian angels, our guides, our higher selves, our priests, shamans and guru's, our school teachers, our employers and bosses, our government, our military, our our our...

Need I continue? The entire system is set up to be subservient to a control mechanism, and the idea of extricating oneself from such control and becoming a truly self determined and self realized sovereign soul on the planet, is a HUGE universal transformation which ALL OF US are going through.

So, although it is sometimes helpful to stand close to the canvas and point the finger at "Oh Hey, look at that guy and how he is still assuming a position of authority, and guess what, he's wrong!" Or: "Hey, look at that guy, he's still playing the victim and cheerleading the guru's!". It is better to stand back from the canvas and take the high road and see the global transformation for what it is, and be compassionate as we move from outside technology to the inner technology and embrace the Kundalini.

If we don't focus on what is really going on here, we might miss the opportunity. Yes, who woulda thunk that this thread would ever get to be 145 pages and close to 3000 comments, but that should tell us something. It's a part of the entire global cultural shift, an ingrained meme, a cultural phenomenon, not just a few isolated immature teenagers on both sides of the issue, or whether David Wilcock got it wrong and David Icke got it right.

I can understand the frustration which goes along with the transformation, and yes, guys like Icke and Wilcock do have a responsibility to be as integral as they possibly can, but WE ultimately need to take responsibility for our choices and how we each are going to move from victimhood to sovereignty.

If we don't get this one right (this transformation and awakening) then we stand to lose it all. So, in a sense, it is critical that we all use maximum discernment. Yes, we ALL want the same things, a tearing down of the control grid and unseating the cabal as the owners and controllers of everything. I don't think there is one soul here who would disagree on this.

The real question becomes: How do we rally around the things which unite us and focus on what brings inner technology to bear, and dismantles the control grid in every one of my thoughts and actions every single day?

[we-R-one]

Posted by mattymoto (here)
Tired of lies and secrets, and I will be the first to admit I'm guilty of lies and secrets- from now on I will not keep a secret, you ask I tell, I don't care about anyone's feelings anymore. Man-up or shut up. I apologise if my words are too harsh or blunt.... I meant what I said.

Great comment to affirm my up-coming solution and you just said it here perfectly! Your observation affirms the concept of living in a holographic universe. Until you clean yourself up, the rest of the world can't. It starts with each individual. We are experiencing a reflection or mirror of how we think right back at us and that is why there's so much turmoil. And you are discovering this on your own, minus the aide of anyone! Congratulations!

[LarryC]

Speaking of David Icke, I think you should listen to his own perceptive comments on the topic of "overcoming ridicule." As he points out, the elite largely control the masses not by direct force but through the power of peer pressure and ridiculing alternative ideas. Unfortunately, Icke tends to do the same thing himself. Not just regarding Drake and Wilcock, either. His site is full of short, satirical pieces of propaganda meant to get you to laugh at somebody. I am always wary of this type of approach, as it taps into one's fear of appearing foolish. Believe or don't believe whatever you want, but don't base it on what others think!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5EQ5nS0GFVg

[SKAWF]

Posted by mattymoto (here)
I will be the first to admit I'm guilty of lies and secrets- from now on I will not keep a secret,

lmao

what about the lying you f****r!!!

[mattymoto]

I fixed it Skawf, now it reads a little better too. You checked me, and for that I thank you my friend.

Please see my new thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...crecy-and-Lies......

[we-R-one]

Posted by bekrah (here)
I wanted to reply to this, it's stirred something inside of me. I completely agree with you. I also think that it's a bit cruel that we tell our kids about these creatures, Santa, the Easter-bunny, the tooth fairy, and then rip it all away from them. I wonder sometimes if this isn't something used to program people into not believing in anything. I used to read these books about a mythical place called Xanth, it existed in another dimension, it was a magical place, you had dragons, and unicorns, and magic powers, and sorcerers and such. They knew about Earth, they called it Mundania. I think the real lie we've all been force-fed growing up is that a place such as Mundania exists, and that we live in it. The world is full, absolutely brimming with magic, and wonder, it's positively vibrating with it, and here we are lead to believe that all there is to life is death and taxes. Tragic.

I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

[we-R-one]

Posted by mattymoto (here)
I fixed it Skawf, now it reads a little better too. You checked me, and for that I thank you my friend.

You shouldn't have that was funny, lmao. We knew what you meant.

[RMorgan]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

This metaphorically fits here very well.

The only difference is that, instead of spanking you for telling the truth, people call you "negative".

Now, if you ask me why someone would be labeled as negative for telling the truth, I have no idea.

It´s just like the red/blue pill from the movie Matrix.

Take one pill and you´ll continue to live in a beautiful fairy tail; take the other and you´ll see things like they really are, which most of the times isn´t a beautiful thing to see, but at least it´s the truth.

Truth, even when it hurts, is always better than lies.

Raf.

[9eagle9]

Another lawsuit filed against the cartel in courts ruled by the cartel....

..let's see.... if we do the same thing over and over we should expect a different result than the last motion filed against the cartel, in it's own court system which was never coherently heard from again.

Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?

Posted by Kimberley (here)
********************

Breaking News Report, July 5, 2012: Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light - please post (youtube to follow)
Class Action Lawsuit against Church, State and Big Pharma is given Green Light by Court
Thursday, July 5, 2012-Toronto, Canada –
History was made yesterday when a legal team headed by Jason Bowman of the ACP was granted the right to proceed with its filing of a criminal conspiracy lawsuit against the Vatican, Crown of England and other parties.

A Federal Court judge in Toronto examined the material and granted leave for the full application to be filed and presented in court next Monday, July 9.

UPDATE: Historical Application to be Filed and Served Upon the Vatican, the Queen, & Others – Court Directs Applicants in Chambers Today RE: Monday’s ex-parte Motion

http://federalclassactions.wordpress...-parte-motion/

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State:

http://itccs.org/

*********************************************************

And related to the debate taking place on this thread ...not what I posted above... if you have not listened to this interview that Kerry did with Weidner in February 2012 I recommend it highly... and if you did listen I recommend you might want to listen again...

Jay Weidner on Project Camelot Radio with Kerry Cassidy. Recorded on February 8th, 2012.

http://www.jayweidner.com/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W9fVkqRzyZo

Much love to us all!!!

[gripreaper]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?

Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by mattymoto (here)
I read the article about Brockbrader. I stopped reading when the article stated "there are no secret navy seals"


We all know that is a big load of walrus poo,

How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

[we-R-one]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Constitutionally speaking nothing prevents anyone from filing a motion to be heard. What happens after that is what makes history or repeats history. It's hardly history making as we have how many alleged lawsuits against the cartel filed for motion now...?

Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

Yes, this is a huge problem. You don't get your day in court, that's for sure and all these lawsuits are meaningless, but rather a fascade to make people think someone is actually doing something.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen,

Up until DW gave Drake a platform what kind of name did he have? He created an unbelievable fantastical story to get attention and once he got it he:

A. Asked for donations
B. Started sharing is views of the world and how things should be which I have seen the same from countless others on forum and articles
C. Started making predictions and the overall fruit of his work is negative

Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

[we-R-one]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
I appreciate your comments. I had to laugh though as it reminded me of an event that took place when I was a little girl. My dearest friend thought he'd do me a favor by telling me the tooth fairy wasn't real, and for telling the truth his mom just about kicked the crap out of him for making me cry. It's funny now and we were just talking about it the other day how ironic that someone would get into so much trouble when all they were trying to do is tell the truth, lol.

This metaphorically fits here very well.

The only difference is that, instead of spanking you for telling the truth, people call you "negative".

Now, if you ask me why someone would be labeled as negative for telling the truth, I have no idea.

It´s just like the red/blue pill from the movie Matrix.

Take one pill and you´ll continue to live in a beautiful fairy tail; take the other and you´ll see things like they really are, which most of the times isn´t a beautiful thing to see, but at least it´s the truth.

Truth, even when it hurts, is always better than lies.

Raf.

Truth is very difficult for people to accept. They will fight to the death about a belief even if there's proof of its falsities.

What's funny about the incident I described above is that I really don't even remember much about it and the whole point that my friend got the crap kicked out of him was for traumatizing my fairytale world. The reality is he was more traumatized by telling the truth as he recalls the "bitch slapping" moment far more clearly than I do and yet I was supposedly the one who was having fairyland come crashing down on me, lol.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
but if it was a no-name bringing information forward, no one would listen,

Up until DW gave Drake a platform what kind of name did he have? He created an unbelievable fantastical story to get attention and once he got it he:

A. Asked for donations
B. Started sharing is views of the world and how things should be which I have seen the same from countless others on forum and articles
C. Started making predictions and the overall fruit of his work is negative

Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

Yep, good 'ol boy used the "I got a secret" methodology to draw someone in who all ready had a lot of followers in order to piggyback off of his supporters.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Nothing Drake has said regarding his Mass Arrests which got him into the spot light has panned out. This is becoming a very tiring saga and I wonder who the next "Freedom" giant is going to be and what their incredible story will be. It's nothing but a method of attn getting and some people leave common sense at the door and because it's what they want to hear they ridicule anyone who questions it, and when it becomes apparent the latest greatest super freedom fighter is a dunce they want everyone to forget about it and move on. Well, we've been moving on for several years now, and it's time people stop falling for this sideshow crap.

Well US, before Drake came onto the scene, there was a disconnect between the patriot and sovereignty movements, and the alternative media. Just in the last six months have I seen these two "meld" together to some degree. The sovereign citizen's movement, as the mainstream media likes to call it (oxymoronic statement though) has been debunked and trashed by the mainstream media, in the "60 minutes" hit piece they did and other hits, such as taking out Jerry and Joe Kane.

But, the cabal needed to tie the two together and herd all of those who are miscreant and dissenting into one group, so that they could finally create an event which the mainstream media could use to fully discredit the entire movement of awakening souls and solidify their control.

Will it work this time? Let's play odds. 50% or more draw government paychecks and another 20% upper middle class want to keep their IRA's and their pensions. So, who do you think is going to be made the scapegoat on this one?

Not really rocket science.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Well, it might at least bring awareness and let a few asleep people see some of how they are getting screwed.

For the rest of us, who have been paying attention, and watched the whole "farm claims" lawsuits for the last 30 years go all the way to the Supreme Court, receive a favorable ruling for the farmers, and STILL not jack friggin squat EVER was returned or restored to those farmers. Or, the whole foreclosure debacle, NOT ONE SINGLE bankster has been indicted.

And now we find out Barclay's (and all other top global banks) have been manipulating the LIBOR and clipping and skimming off each trade? Oh boy. Has anyone noticed that the court system is owned by the cabal? Has anyone looked at the BAR association, the judges oath of office, his Dunn and Bradstreet registration and the CAFR accounts and what "going into court" actually means?

Come on you guys. Until the suit is filed in a Common Law venue as prescribed by the Constitution, according to Article 28 of the USC under unites states District Court, with a jury trial who votes their conscience and IS NOT instructed by the magistrate judge, then it's the same old same old.

[edit] Ah sh!t, I was going to try and make my 1000'th post very erudite, profound, endearing, succinct, concise and compendious within the context of the paradigm shift we are all in, with copious references to the energetic shifts occurring quantum and cellular, but darn, I got carried away with the energy of this thread AGAIN!

You seem to be under the impression that you can undo this sort of damage by just rewriting the procedures of law to fit the older model. Governments are made by people and you can't just "switch" from what we have now back to a system hundreds of years old. People are conditioned to the current system and reconditioning takes quite a lot of time. It doesn't matter what sort of law the judge is supposed to rule under if there is no judge who will accept your procedures, convict under your terms, nor any police or jails willing to hold your criminals nor citizens competent to stand on a jury without siding with the corporation. Laws are written and enforced by people and if those people are hopelessly inured to the status quo then you can't expect to just change the legal framework and have them follow what you want. It just doesn't work that way, and this is why I don't really think we're going to have any victories through the courts. The only sort of court that would convict is a court no one else on the planet would listen to; and that, right there sir, is your problem. (Hell, we have International arrest warrants out for Bush, anyone want to bet when those will ever do anything? Somewhere next to never.)

First the hearts and minds of near the entire planet must be won, and it is only then that change can occur. But none of us really has the resources to wage that kind of a PR campaign, LOL.

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

SEAL Team 6, of course if you meant to say Brockbrader could be playing on the story of the real secret-SEAL-Team-6 to create his story of a secret SEAL Team 9 then that is certainly plausible however before you can debunk someone like that you need to understand your audience. Simply bringing up the fact that he could is not nearly enough you need to catch him in circumstances where he implicates himself as dishonest. (the same thing we did to Drake) A good way to do this would be to review his video chats and look for any circumstances where he doubles back or repeatedly attempts to redefine something he said once he receives certain questions. We can't prove a negative but if you can prove he's displaying a pattern that illicits all the signs of dishonesty then that as well as the fact that his story is one made in perfect plausible deniability would implicate he is most likely not who he said he was. But just pointing out SEAL Team 9 could be fake isn't convincing enough unless we can show Bill seems to be making certain things up on the fly.

Also might be worth looking into that Eva person he's very close with. There might just be something there you're picking up on that the rest of us aren't. That's good, but now the hard part comes in collecting the evidence to make a case against him. Of course, you don't have to, but if you want to settle the issue it's what I'd personally recommend.

[mattymoto]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by mattymoto (here)
I read the article about Brockbrader. I stopped reading when the article stated "there are no secret navy seals"


We all know that is a big load of walrus poo,

How do we all know that is a load of walrus poo? I have seen nothing factual to show there are secret Navy Seals, but then again you can't prove a negative. Any good charlatan knows this so they throw out something is secret that can't be proven to prove their charade. So, please show me the facts about secret Navy Seals. I do not mean black ops people or mk ultra people, but secret Navy Seals.

You have a good point. I spoke for we, and did so from a position of arrogance. Rethinking my statement- I feel that the assertion that there are no secret navy seals, is in fact as you said, not wholly provable either way. I would have done a better service to my thoughts and your consideration by saying this:

I feel that it is entirely possible for someone to be trained in the way any navy seal would be, yet not actually being called or labelled "navy seal." So feel free to presume that I believe there are folks that have been highly trained by popularized training programs- to be used in clandestine operations.