Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Sierra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.

... Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits ...

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.

You are entitled to your judgements on the subject matter of this thread. You are not entitled to judge where someone else is on their spiritual path, and make comments about that person. That would take loving energy and as you say about yourself repeatedly, you are not a loving person, so I am not quite sure why you speak of a subject you have self defined yourself as lacking.

Any more personal, demeaning comments about members, and I will edit them out. Attack public figures, not Avalon members. You *did* agree to this when you joined Avalon.

Sierra

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree, Grip-reaper, it's not your own idea...

But it is one that most of the population will not accept until there is better evidence, and so far, I haven't seen any, and so I am in that category and would be disappointed to see this useful discussion end on the basis of something that I don't believe in.

Just my two cents... and thanks for all your great posts.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra

I believe that not only was I respectful, but I showed Kimberley far more respect that she showed us in not admitting that she had yelled at us wrongly.

I was nowhere near trolling ...

But now I'm going to say something that will probably get me thrown off here.

Sierra, you showed gross disrespect to Unified Serenity yesterday ... by taunting her with a mocking, playground rhyme.

As a mod, you have to model the behaviour you want to see. It's the only way it ever works.

Unified Serenity and I have had our differences in the past, and probably will have them again, but it was not very nice to see you hiding behind your title of 'mod' to attack her in very disrespectful and bullying terms. Now you're trying it on with me, throwing around words like 'troll' when in my post, I was entirely in keeping with the other posts in this thread.

I have been enjoying the discussions in this thread for a long time, whereas you've just showed up here and have instantly begun to treat members in disrespectful and in a bullying way by using the cover of your mod title.

At the very least, if you're going to post like that, I would recommend you say something like 'mod hat off' before posting, so that it's an even playing field.

[9eagle9]

So I expect that you will be apologizing for stating that my posts were rude shortly? Instead of simply editing them out without comment you inserted in rude (lol) blaring red letters that a forum member (myself) was rude. Which is a personal judgement against a forum member who would be me.

I'm kidding (laffs and slaps knee) i don't really expect you are going to do that.

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.

You are entitled to your judgements on the subject matter of this thread. You are not entitled to judge where someone else is on their spiritual path, and make comments about that person. That would take loving energy and as you say about yourself repeatedly, you are not a loving person, so I am not quite sure why you speak of a subject you have self defined yourself as lacking.

Any more personal, demeaning comments about members, and I will edit them out. Attack public figures, not Avalon members. You *did* agree to this when you joined Avalon.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.

I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

Yes, you said you weren't but you did. If you want to call a member out, be respectful, and don't throw in words that could be considered trolling.

I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

"that kind of behavior" directly references back to narcisissm. Indeed, one could say you rode roughshod over "it".

Sierra

I believe that not only was I respectful, but I showed Kimberely more respect that she showed us in not admitting that she had yelled at us wrongly.

I was nowhere near trolling ...

But now I'm going to say something that will probably get me thrown off here.

Sierra, you showed gross disrespect to Unified Serenity yesterday ... by taunting her with a mocking, playground rhyme.

Unified Serenity and I have had our differences, and probably will have them again, but it was not very nice to see you hiding behind you title of 'mod' to attack her in very disrespectful and bullying terms. Now you're trying it on with me, throwing around words like 'troll' when in my post, I was entirely in keeping with the other posts in this thread. I have been enjoying the discussions in here for a long time, whereas you've just showed up and started treating members in here disrespectfully, using the cover of your mod title.

At the very least, if you're going post like that, I would recommend you say something like 'mod hat off' before posting, so that it's an even playing field.

There is a reason I have "suddenly" shown up on this thread. The insulting and bullying of fellow members has gotten out of line. Bottom line: There is a change on this thread. IF you attack members rather than public figures, you will be held accountable to the guidelines. That is how I define trolling.

This is a moderated forum. If you don't like being moderated, moderate yourself, I don't know what else to tell you. There are so many people on Avalon who don't have a problem with this, understand the reasons for the guidelines, and act accordingly. I have never seen Kimberley attack a member on a personal level, defining them, describing them in negative terms.

1a. Noun troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
So I expect that you will be apologizing for stating that my posts were rude shortly? Instead of simply editing them out without comment you inserted in rude (lol) blaring red letters that a forum member (myself) was rude. Which is a personal judgement against a forum member who would be me.

I'm kidding (laffs and slaps knee) i don't really expect you are going to do that.

You have a wonderful grip on reality. If you prefer I simply edit them out, I will do so. Can't speak for the other mods though, who do the same thing to your posts.

Sierra

[Ishtar]

See, there you go again, Sierra, hiding behind your mod hat and throwing the rule book at someone just because they said something that was uncomfortable to you as a person.

I made it very clear that I was describing Kimberley's behaviour not an intrinsic part of her character in negative terms. And her behaviour was rude and disrespectful... as was your's to Unified Serenity yesterday.

[Sierra]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
See, there you go again, Sierra, hiding behind your mod hat and throwing the rule book at someone just because they said something that was uncomfortable to you as a person.

Well that is quite the assumption! Can't throw the rulebook at someone unless they break the rules though.

Sierra

[SKAWF]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
There is nothing essentially in this thread that can give any comfort to the powers-that-be apart from the obvious blind and unquestioning devotion to an extremely fallible and unreliable leader.

how about....

that all they have to do now.....
is keep presenting us with fake stories....
some, deliberately laced with things to get 100% of your attention
knowing that intelligent people will respond
by coming out with the most aggressive and mocking responses imaginable
thereby lowering their own operating frequency?

distracted, held, lowered and subdued.

i truly believe that ALL they really want...... is our attention.
the more corrupted the external world becomes
the more will switch off to it. that only leaves the internal
when you see that everything else is messed up
you become the most reliable guide you have

[9eagle9]

The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

You have my sympathy. Let me make my agenda clear again. Quit insulting fellow members of Avalon, and I will vanish from your view.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Bahahaaaa, mod's gone wild! Sierra, you are amazingly cute, adorable and I wish to thank you for editing my post. Energetics seems to elude you. Welcome to my playground.

[Fred Steeves]

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Hey everybody! Let's just walk away from this thread until we actually see the top members of the cabal in handcuffs. Let's try to prevent this thread from getting 4000 replies! I agree with Bill that it is a HUGE distraction now that so many deadlines have come and gone without results. Ok last post on this thread i promise!

-AIJ

[9eagle9]

You more often end up in my private email box moderating me which is hardly from my view. I did after all keep the PM's as cherished artifacts of your regard for me. No other moderator carries on the moderation like you do Sierra, and that is a compliment .

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The 'other' mods, as I see that you differentiate yourself from them, don't treat my posts in quite the same sub contracted way, no.

You have my sympathy. Let me make my agenda clear again. Quit insulting fellow members of Avalon, and I will vanish from your view.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You more often end up in my private email box moderating me which is hardly from my view. I did after all keep the PM's as cherished artifacts of your regard for me. No other moderator carries on the moderation like you do Sierra, and that is a compliment .

Yes and I have kept mine too ...

Surely you mean a left handed compliment.

Sierra

[gripreaper]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

I like this one Fred, because you need to have an audience too.



This thread has polarized several times in the last 90 days since Drake came on the scene. I'm somewhat surprised it held together as long as it did!