The Bible

[Beren]

Understanding is the key in this matter. Without it there will be no harmony, only racket among in essence-good friends.
Good friends- all of us here.

To really understand a person who becomes a Christian (of any denomination) and with an honest heart proclaims its new life and God - is to understand a soul who wishes to share deepest riches with others. A very life of God.

A true Christian wants that everyone be saved from sin and death and moral degradation.
Concepts as sin or death or moral degradation are debatable but nevertheless exist in many forms.

Aim of a true Christian is to help others be free of these negative concepts and live in high realms of spirit.
True Christian will not be a fear based person who will threat others with imaginary hell or Devil and such claiming that God will do so.

True Christian will embrace a spirit of Christ and become "Christed" meaning to grow into Christ`s image as he is an image of God.
"To Love" is the essence of Christian - meaning a call to action- TO LOVE.

It`s not a call to wait and see what`s going to happen so acting accordingly , it`s THE call to action - to create new reality from nothing with the power of Love-God`s power.

"Many will call me in that day saying Lord ,Lord, but I will say depart from me , I never knew you"

Above words are paraphrased from Bible.

It sends clear message of a need to know Christ personally. Only then your service and life will have meaning .
Why?

Because you meet God then,through Christ as God is a never changing principle of Love. God is Love - an ultimate reality which created everything and sustains everything.

So who is true Christian?
One who reads:
1.Bible
2.Nag hammadi texts
3.Koran
4.Hindu works
5.Buddhism works
6.All eastern works
7.Scientific works
8..........

???

True is one who knows Christ,thus received holy spirit-an all powerful force in Universe -God`s creative power with all knowledge.

Dear people all around, if you want to know the real deal, real person - go ask for yourself,search and you will find.
He is here this very moment. Everywhere we are .

Why wasting time in reasoning of who`s right and who`s tool (book) is right or not, when you can directly ask God in your own personal relationship with it.
At the end tools won`t matter,only the connection will.

And tool is just a tool (books) ,you can use kitchen knife to cut cheese and you can kill your neighbor with it...Knife isn`t guilty of an action.
Who wield it?

Who`s conscience used it to cut a loaf of bread and cheese on top of it?
Who`s conscience used it to slay a man next door?

Yours and mine`s.

So use tools (books,texts,speeches,people etc...religions) wisely and don`t blame God for your own absence of knowledge of how to wield it.

Grow up and see the power of whom we are children.
I bless you all.

[observer]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Observer,

I am curious as it seems from your post that you believe in Yeshua? What was the New Covenant he established with those following him and all who would come after because of their testimony?

It depends on what Yeshua you are referring to Serenity.

I believe in Yeshua ben Joseph, the enlightened man.

A man of peace and love, filled with the spirit of the God of Unconditional Love - as is possible for any one of us, if we follow our heart.

I infer from most of your comments, you are referring to the "Trinity Yeshua", otherwise known as Jesus of the Bible.

I believe I have offered enough evidence throughout my comments in this thread to draw 'reasonable doubt' as to the claims of the false apostle, Saul, that this Trinity Jesus represents - in any way - the mission of Yeshua ben Joseph and the Nazarene Essenes. Thereby, nullifying any of the fabrications attributed to this Jesus of the Bible as hearsay/heresy.

The Roman Empire created the Bible and thereby created the Holy Roman Empire.

The entire Biblical story, from the rewriting of the Old Testament, to the fairytale of the New Testament is all a manipulation of the facts - just ask a Cathar, or here, or here .

Oh! I nearly forgot, the only remnant of the Cathar is the word catharsis - which defines to: "a total purging".

This is what your unholy bible did to the truth. Hypnotic belief in this dogma is a direct path to Rex Mundi.

update
BTW to Serenity:
A "covenant" is a pact a Satanist makes with Satan. That's why they call a group of them a Satanic Coven.

Note to Beren:
You are missing my point completely, Beren.

What you are saying regarding the power of Love is true within a certain context.

What I'm saying is: the book we know as the Bible is a total fabrication, filled with just enough truth to 'hook' its believers into a path to Rex Mundi.

Take some time and research what I'm showing regarding the Cathar, or the Nazarene Essenes.

These reptiles....
They are very clever at what they do....

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by observer (here)
...

I believe in Yeshua ben Joseph, the enlightened man.

A man of peace and love, filled with the spirit of the God of Unconditional Love - as is possible for any one of us, if we follow our heart.
...

These reptiles....
They are very clever at what they do....

This is an account of what Yeshua ben Joseph called the "religious leaders" of his time, and it is also found in the canonical bible of today in this paragraph: Matthew 12:34-38

[Unified Serenity]

I am just wondering Observer, are you referring to Messiah ben Yosef vs. Messiah ben David in regards to the known Midrash that there is a suffering Messiah and a Conquering Messiah or are you referring to Yeshua's earthly father named Yosef who was the husband of his mother Miriam?

[greybeard]

Krishna said " Even those running in the wrong direction are mine"
He is believed to have been a Divine incarnation by many.
I think the God of unconditional love the Creator of all that is seen and unseen would say much the same
Chris

[Beren]

Observer,
I understand your zeal but you might completely misunderstood me.
Chris can tell you in PM about what I am saying since you cannot grasp beyond of what I say here.

It seems like you are polarized and prefer Gnosticism and Cathars.
That's OK but not the ultimate truth. Roman church did persecute Gnostics but what is that have to do with my words about Love and Christ?

Your view and posts are filled with this negativity and open hatred towards a -tool- Bible.
Is the tool bad because people abused it? Have you read my knife story here?

Same can be said to Gnostic teachings aswell. They are another tool for humanity.
Not good or bad ,just a tool.

Nazarenes or Cathars or Essenes or Catholics or Protestants or whomever are just religious groups of people devoted to understand God.
Trouble is that each and everyone claims exclusive right to perfect understanding of God.

And if it's not according to them - then it must be evil disguised in truth...then it is reptiles or such as you claim.
I am saying why are you so bitter if you claim that you believe in Christ?

Somehow I don't feel spirit of Love behind your posts in this thread and YET you claim you know much ,you know Christ or Yeshua (doesn't matter), so much bitterness and accusation of all who does not agree with you.
Why is that?

What is behind your anger?
Don't you remember that story of speck in the eye and trunk aswell?

I ask you this honestly as a brother not as your opponent.

This is the very premise of division. Religious attachments towards certain groups.
I wonder what would happen if we as humans would attach to God with this zeal .. what miracle would emerge


Christ wasn't a follower of any group or religion.

He created a path not a division towards God.

[kreagle]

observer,

You and I have,....shall we say,...."crossed swords", several times as of late. I want you to know that I, in no way, feel that you are a "bad, or evil," person. You've brought something up in your latest post, here,....that intrigues me,.....and makes me genuinely interested. I submit a "portion" of this recent quote by you.

I infer from most of your comments, you are referring to the "Trinity Yeshua", otherwise known as Jesus of the Bible.

I believe I have offered enough evidence throughout my comments in this thread to draw 'reasonable doubt' as to the claims of the false apostle, Saul, that this Trinity Jesus represents - in any way - the mission of Yeshua ben Joseph and the Nazarene Essenes. Thereby, nullifying any of the fabrications attributed to this Jesus of the Bible as hearsay/heresy.

The Roman Empire created the Bible and thereby created the Holy Roman Empire.

It might surprise you to know that I "completely concur'" with what appears to be a "complete disdain" held by you for the Catholic Church and what they have adamantly attempted to "shove down our throats",.....over the last several hundred years. I, too, despise what "they" have forced upon "true Christianity" with their many "atrocities" and "deceptive lies". Please correct me if I am wrong about your outlook, here.

Consequently,.....I can now, somewhat, better understand how, and why, you might feel the way you do,.....which has ultimately led you down the "path" you have chosen. It shouldn't take a "genius" to figure out that a "different path of enlightenment" is needed,.....when being faced with,....and given the choice of,......Catholicism,.......OR.........just about anything else!

You and I,.....just "might" have,.....more in common,.....than you might think! I have provided a link to a "recent" post that I made, here, at Avalon. Please view it, at your convenience,....and offer any comments you might have.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...042#post518042


Love and Peace,..........your friend,.........kreagle

[observer]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I am just wondering Observer, are you referring to Messiah ben Yosef vs. Messiah ben David in regards to the known Midrash that there is a suffering Messiah and a Conquering Messiah or are you referring to Yeshua's earthly father named Yosef who was the husband of his mother Miriam?

Just as with any form of Fundamentalism, you are referring to literal interpretations of Jewish biblical text. This all becomes a personal experience as any interpretation is purely within the mind of the interpreter. Theologians refer to this process as exegesis. It is very often, quite possible to become delusional subscribing to some other person's interpretations of any theology.

A very long time ago, (I don't recall the source, this recollection is all from memory) I read where the Roman biblical story of Jesus was actually an amalgamation of the life story of several individuals.

One of these individuals migrated to the South of France with Mary Magdalene.

Another of these individuals eventually ended-up living in Tibet.

Again, the source eludes me, however, this story is just as plausible as the story created by the Piso of the Roman Empire.

Take it for what it's worth.

This I can say with a certainty from the available evidence:

• The book known as the Torah didn't exist before the reign of King Hezekiah, some 800 (or so) years after the alleged Moses supposedly existed.
  
• The evidence shows, the man known as Moses was most likely the adopted brother of Pharaoh Akhenaton, known as Tuthmosis IV.
  
• The Egyptian record, a history carved into stone and not even discovered until the mid eighteen hundreds, does not mention Hebrews ever living as slaves in the land of Egypt.
  
• That same record does document several dynasties of immigrants from the land of Canaan known as the Hyksos pharaohs.
  
• The book known as the New Testament didn't even exist as in a complete form until more than three hundred years after the entity known in that book as Jesus.
  
• The earliest known copies of all of the Gospels found in the New Testament were written well after the death of the individuals to whom these gospels were ascribed.
  
• Let's not even go to the scientific evidence documenting the age of the universe.

As you can clearly see there is an abundance of evidence (the few mentioned here, and the many more mentioned throughout this thread) to create a 'reasonable doubt' regarding the validity of the bible as the unquestionable 'Word of God'. That is the topic in this thread.

One could glean as much moral understanding from a fairytale like "The Pet Goat" as one can obtain from accepting - without question - this Bible as the Word of God.

[truthseekerdan]

Christianity, Islam & Judaism are from The Holy Science

Food for thought...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hUAEFKg25Jw

[Beren]

Thanks Dan!

Similar findings that we can relate to this which is shown in the video here is from this YouTube channel :

LadyoftheLabyrinth `s channel.

She elaborates in 61 videos about old Norse Edda poetic and prose and how she found the exact same connection as in Dan`s video here- holy science.

All in allegories and hidden meanings about the higher knowledge of high science of God.
How for example Thor as God of thunder was the actual force of lightning or electricity.

All in all when united with Christ ,thus with God ,we finally see, hear and live fully.
We understand the creation and the process of it.
We grasp the power of God that is in us for we are one with god ,his children.

This is the meaning of reconnecting with God to be able to experience fullness again and forever.

Thanks Dan again for this gem!

Beren

P.S.

I thank now the dear soul of Nikola Tesla for showing us all the electricity of the universe.
He was the devoted man and true Christian for he knew God on a different level, closer to the truth than most of the people ever.

[greybeard]

Hi Kreagle
The tradition path of enlightenment ---tried and tested for thousand of years existed long before Jesus.
Its a pure path as it has lineages which can be traced back to the first enlightened being in that tradition.
The teaching is unadulterated.
The way of climbing the spiritual mountain might have been different depending on the era and culture--- the end result always the same.
The awareness of being One without a second. (The Father and I are One)--- in other words non-duality.

The Tao states That which can not be spoken of--- its not understandable to the human mind.
All enlightened teachers say that it can only be known directly in awareness.
Its not a concept it is reality.
Anything that comes and goes is not Truth.
Truth is eternal and unchanging.

The enlightened teacher points the way but there is no dogma --- there is no middle man as such, its between you and God--- no other.
Religion does not promote meditation--- yet where is God to be found but in the stillness of meditation?
"Be Still and know that I am God."

Prayer is good but that's about you and your wants and needs in the main---in the silence of meditation God has a chance to get through to you directly.
You have to get out of the way.
You have to surrender to Gods will and Gods time.

Just sitting quietly, no technique, that brings the peace beyond all understanding--- that is my direct experience.

Respectfully
Chris

[observer]

Posted by kreagle (here)
[....snip]
It might surprise you to know that I "completely concur'" with what appears to be a "complete disdain" held by you for the Catholic Church and what they have adamantly attempted to "shove down our throats",.....over the last several hundred years. I, too, despise what "they" have forced upon "true Christianity" with their many "atrocities" and "deceptive lies". Please correct me if I am wrong about your outlook, here.
[....snip]

You have only gotten it partly correct, kreagle. (....And, I might add, this applies to RedeZra, Beren, Unified Serenity, GCS1103, and any other of the members who are finding "anger" in my comments. I'm simply the messenger....)

The foundations of my disdain are far greater than what the Roman Empire did in creating the theology known as Trinity Christianity.... Or, what the Holy Roman Empire has done in the name of that theology since they 'created' Trinity Christianity, some two thousand years ago.

You see, my friends, I am a pilgrim, on a search for what really occurred to cause this third density to be a place of such indecent, obscene, disgusting human suffering.

Finding new understanding is the true purpose of the Avalon Forum. This thread is supporting the tool that has been historically used by those that set-up and run this vile system.

The historic state of world affairs - up to the present conditions - can only be described as a Satanic Blood Sacrifice Ritual.... the result of a dogmatic belief in one, or another of the major Yahwist religions.

In my journey, I have discovered evidence that has given me an understanding shared by few other individuals, here.

My disdain is with all Yahwist religions. It is embedded in the fact that Yahweh is a 'False God' impersonating the "One True God, my Father in Heaven" of the man known as Yeshua ben Joseph.

John 8:44 - KJV
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

The Nazarene Essene known as, Yeshua ben Joseph, did not endorse Yahweh/Jehovah as the "One True God", or the God of Unconditional Love. This is part of the corruption perpetrated by the Roman Empire in creating the entity known as Jesus out of the life story of Yeshua ben Joseph.

The evidence is clear on this point. One must be willing to look outside of the dogma into what was rejected by the early church fathers, those individuals who had the most influence on the creation of the Bible. Those who were 'sainted' by the Holy Roman Empire Church.

From the cumulative evidence, it is my interpretation that we all are fallen, here, into this particular density. We are here to learn how to get back out. We do this over many cycles of incarnations.

Few of us remember our former existence - by design.

None of the Yahwist religions will tell you this Truth - by design.

The evidence will show, there is a Demiurge who feeds on the essence of our soul-matter. The best part of the energies we grow - both negative and positive - are used as food in an hyperdimensional dominion - outside of our three dimensional perceptions.

A 'seed' of our former Soul-Matter is than replanted into another incarnation and sent back to grow more energy as food for those controlling this farming operation - these Elohim of the Old Testament.

This place.... this particular density.... is a soul farm, and the Mass of Humanity is the crop. It's been this way since the Dawn of Man. Humanity was created by this Demiurge.... this Rex Mundi of the Cathar.... for the sole purpose of feeding on energies.... the soul-matter of the crop.

So you see, my friends, as in the day when Yeshua ben Joseph overturned the tables of the 'money changers' in the temple, I am filled with a similar rage toward anyone who - out of hypnotized ignorance - refuses to look at the evidence.... refuses to eat from the Tree of Knowledge out of a blind fear of what Yahweh will do to them....


They are very clever at what they do....

[truthseekerdan]

Researching, understanding and accepting is everything... (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BObrQGUtjkw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4EvrG40qXjM

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4yRRkOtiJEo

[greybeard]

The Bible is fine and uplifts many.
However life is levels of consciousness.
Different classes -- no one better than another just different levels.
The ultimate truth---Only God is.

Jesus pointed to it.
The Father and I are One-- every enlightened sage says the same.

Look under a stone and you will find me there.
God is everywhere without exception.

Namaste ( I greet the God within you)

Chris

[GCS1103]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by kreagle (here)
[....snip]
It might surprise you to know that I "completely concur'" with what appears to be a "complete disdain" held by you for the Catholic Church and what they have adamantly attempted to "shove down our throats",.....over the last several hundred years. I, too, despise what "they" have forced upon "true Christianity" with their many "atrocities" and "deceptive lies". Please correct me if I am wrong about your outlook, here.
[....snip]

You have only gotten it partly correct, kreagle. (....And, I might add, this applies to RedeZra, Beren, Unified Serenity, GCS1103, and any other of the members who are finding "anger" in my comments. I'm simply the messenger....)

The foundations of my disdain are far greater than what the Roman Empire did in creating the theology known as Trinity Christianity.... Or, what the Holy Roman Empire has done in the name of that theology since they 'created' Trinity Christianity, some two thousand years ago.

You see, my friends, I am a pilgrim, on a search for what really occurred to cause this third density to be a place of such indecent, obscene, disgusting human suffering.

Finding new understanding is the true purpose of the Avalon Forum. This thread is supporting the tool that has been historically used by those that set-up and run this vile system.

The historic state of world affairs - up to the present conditions - can only be described as a Satanic Blood Sacrifice Ritual.... the result of a dogmatic belief in one of the major Yahwist religions.

In my journey, I have discovered evidence that has given me an understanding shared by few other individuals, here.

My disdain is with all Yahwist religions. It is embedded in the fact that Yahweh is a 'False God' impersonating the "One True God, my Father in Heaven" of the man known as Yeshua ben Joseph.

John 8:44 - KJV
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

The Nazarene Essene known as, Yeshua ben Joseph, did not endorse Yahweh/Jehovah as the "One True God", or the God of Unconditional Love. This is part of the corruption perpetrated by the Roman Empire in creating the entity known as Jesus out of the life story of Yeshua ben Joseph.

The evidence is clear on this point. One must be willing to look outside of the dogma into what was rejected by the early church fathers, those individuals who had the most influence on the creation of the Bible. Those who were 'sainted' by the Holy Roman Empire Church.

From the cumulative evidence, it is my interpretation that we all are fallen, here, into this particular density. We are here to learn how to get back out. We do this over many cycles of incarnations.

Few of us remember our former existence - by design.

None of the Yahwist religions will tell you this Truth - by design.

The evidence will show, there is a Demiurge who feeds on the essence of our soul-matter. The best part of the energies we grow - both negative and positive - are used as food in an hyperdimensional dominion - outside of our three dimensional perceptions.

A 'seed' of our former Soul-Matter is than replanted into another incarnation and sent back to grow more energy as food for those controlling this farming operation - these Elohim of the Old Testament.

This place.... this particular density.... is a soul farm, and the Mass of Humanity is the crop. It's been this way since the Dawn of Man. Humanity was created by this Demiurge.... this Rex Mundi of the Cathar.... for the sole purpose of feeding on energies.... the soul-matter of the crop.

So you see, my friends, as in the day when Yeshua ben Joseph overturned the tables of the 'money changers' in the temple, I am filled with a similar rage toward anyone who - out of hypnotized ignorance - refuses to look at the evidence.... refuses to eat from the Tree of Knowledge out of a blind fear of what Yahweh will do to them....


They are very clever at what they do....

I think your post was very thought-provoking and I read it a few times. I agree that this world is full of evil and depravity. I attribute that to the "prince of this world", Satan. Am I understanding you correctly, that you're saying who we refer to as "Jesus" is the same individual being described in Mark 8:44? Understand, I am not a Bible expert, so I'm asking you this question seriously and with no sarcasm, at all. Is it your belief that Yeshua ben Joseph is the true Christ and Yahweh is actually an imposter or demonic entity? Am I correct that you believe there is a "God", but that the being that many people believe is God's son, is actually someone other than that?

Finally, I want you to know that I respect your journey and what you obviously have found as the answer for you. Maybe I should be putting this in a PM to you, but how did you come to your answers? Where did you begin your study that brought you to where you are?

I thanked your post, because I respect your beliefs and your right to express them. (which you did very well)

[Beren]

Observer,
thank you for now clearer understanding of your stance.

I hope you will be able to see where I am coming from and look beyond of what you currently understand and you do understand- a lot.
But let us explore this further, shall we?

In your quest for deeper meaning and origins of our situation ,which is btw our quest here on this forum and elsewhere where people honestly seek truth, you came to one conclusion and that is the Gnostic premise that Roman empire set up trap for world.

It`s true to an extent.

You` re mostly right but what does that have to do with Jesus Christ whom the Roman procurator executed?
Let`s not get again into name pronunciation since on:
English -Jesus Christ
Hebrew - Yeshua
Serbian- Isus Hrist
Croatian- Isus Krist
Afrikaans- Jesus Christus
Checz-
Ježíš Kristus

etc...

Different language - different pronunciation.
It doesn`t matter the vocal name, it does matter who he is.

Now Garden of Eden and tree of knowledge...
First of all who was serpent, or Satan as he was named by Christ?


"Consuming and destroying snake that surrounds the whole of life"

See this :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-kJNYCmLQ60

That is the translation from Hebrew.


So this force wants to absorb all life in itself or to be able to contain it or to rule it as it pleases.
This cannot be since God is Life itself and its giver hence that spirit no matter how powerful is just a creation.

And this spirit upon seeing the potential of humans to become God itself wanted to usurp their inherent power and steer it towards itself in hope that it will become all powerful and claim its desire.
Now maybe this sounds as oversimplified but it is how it is.

Now watch closely about this:

There are many trees in the garden and among those tree of life and tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Trees represent possibilities in vastness of the existence.

Garden of Eden was outside of time and space as we know it today.

So by partaking with any tree ,one would venture into many possibilities from this timeless Garden .
One of the possibility was tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Mind you that this is the only tree that man was warned off.
He would die if he partake of it.

Why and what it means to die?

The man was already perfect and deathless and in perfect unity with God on highest level.
Man was God`s child thus God itself .

Now by eating the tree`s fruit of knowledge of good and evil , this perfect man would venture out in this possibility or dimension of existence of duality .
In his then current state he was in unity with God or should we say Unity Consciousness at work all the time as well as singular expression in man itself all at once.

And since nothing can be destroyed ,only transformed as it is energy , man would transform- die in common tongue.
Thus a warning from Creator that if he try the fruit , he will die- transform -experience duality and its fruits.

God didn`t stopped man`s arms when reaching to the fruit and didn`t guarded it and not allowing his free will to do what he wants- simply God told him that he would experience the consequence of his choice- DUALITY thus death (which is absent in other realms of existence where man was before ).

Now comes serpent (spirit) and first lies man that he isn`t God already and that he needs to become one.
How?
By partaking the fruit of the knowledge of the good and evil.

Secondly serpent lies again by telling that he will not experience consequence of his choice- death or energy transformation.
Also serpent implies that God hid this new awesome power from man.

How can God hide something from man when they are united thus a man has access to the knowledge of all?


But in its cunning ,serpent(spirit known as Satan) deceived and tricked a man. Man believed that he lacks something.
Satan created a perfect illusion of should we say a hologram or presentation in man`s head.

Man swallowed it all.

Thus by believing this set up, man made a choice to venture in duality realm.
But quickly man saw that every choice has a consequence.

Satan wasn`t relieved as well.

He could snail out by saying that man actually chose and wasn`t forced...

Yes but who created the illusion and led the man to moment where the man thought that this is the only way?
Who has set the stage for the fall?

Satan.

Sure man chose, but also man could have chose not to venture out in duality.
But since God cannot be mocked everyone will face the consequences of their actions.

Satan was then fully revealed into the light of who he is.
His biggest punishment is the knowledge that he cannot be whom he wants to be, that his trick and game is destroyed utterly.
All his later actions can be repaired since God can do anything.

Despite his punishment in the lake of fire- the utter truth which will burn his image of Satan (but his essence will return to God as everything is energy and returns to its maker), despite this, Satan still works his holograms of lies and illusions.

Many are fooled today.

But there are ones who aren`t and who are united with God and Christ.


Now Observer, dear friend, are you united with God or you still believe to Gnostics who believe what they believe?
Forget the Bible, Gnostics, and all other movements on Earth from Asia to Africa, those are all tools.

Do you want to elevate yourself to the next level of understanding?

Do you want to see from high view point?

Or you are still down here and still turning tables?
Jesus turned tables but then Jesus didn`t only turned tables, he gave his life for us.

He gave something which is too precious to think of.
He gave his life and really didn`t lost it since energy cannot be lost.
He gave us the prime force. God`s power.

I bless you my dear friend and I bless your spirit and soul to expose truth and stand for it.
Now raise up and see with your own eyes of what I am speaking of.

In God`s Love ,

Beren

[greybeard]

Thats a powerful post Beren.

Its really simple.
Enlightenment reveals the truth--- always spoken of by the sages from their own experience.
Not hidden.

In India they were called Godrealised -for good reason--- they knew that they were One.
They could truthfully say "I am the totality all of it."

In the beginning God said "I am that I am"

That is the whole truth which is found in what is true of every seeming individual "I am"

Jesus pointed to it literally. "I am ( is) the way"

The sages say find the answer to the question "What am I?)

You can repeat Bible text till you are blue in the face and that may well bring some peace but will it answer the question "What am I?"
Will it bring you to the ultimate purpose of life?
The ultimate as I understand is to release "one" from ignorance -- the thought that you are a separate individual.
The truth as shown by Jesus is you are one with God-- not separate in anyway.
He said it "The Father and I are One"
He said also what He had done we could also and more.
He did not set himself up as different in anyway.
He was Humility Love and Forgiveness--- surrendered to the will of the Father.

All the knowledge of the world will not get you through the gates of Heaven which after all lies within. (Jesus said so)

Honest its simple.
What do you need to know?
You already are "I Am"
Uncover that Truth and you are home.

With love Chris

[Beren]

Exactly Chris, exactly!

Eventually the soul that masters the certain task , stops needing a tool to perform the same.
Ever going bickering about tools shows that one is not ready or able to master the task that he/she chose in time before time.

[GCS1103]

I need to say this and hope I don't sound like a fool.....I come to this thread often, because I get a feeling of peace here and I enjoy reading what everyone has to say. I say from my heart, that I respect everyone's truth. But I want to also say that when I read a post from Beren, Greybeard and Kreagle I feel that I have been blessed to find my way here and meet them.

As things are getting worse in the world and all we hear about is wars, tainted food, population reduction, etc. it's wonderful, to me, to be able to sit here after a lousy day at the office and read their posts. So I want to thank you guys, because you've made my life a little bit better.

[greybeard]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
I need to say this and hope I don't sound like a fool.....I come to this thread often, because I get a feeling of peace here and I enjoy reading what everyone has to say. I say from my heart, that I respect everyone's truth. But I want to also say that when I read a post from Beren, Greybeard and Kreagle I feel that I have been blessed to find my way here and meet them.

As things are getting worse in the world and all we hear about is wars, tainted food, population reduction, etc. it's wonderful, to me, to be able to sit here after a lousy day at the office and read their posts. So I want to thank you guys, because you've made my life a little bit better.

You certainly are no fool and obviously open minded---- a rare quality.
May you find the Truth for your own self--- there in lies "The peace that passeth all understanding."
Fear not we are in Divine hands.



Much love
Chris