? Who Is at the Top of all this Evil ?

[Tony]

Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

[Tony]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Emptiness creates nothing, but everything can arise Emptiness.
Our problem is, that we keep filling up this empty space!

I don't want to go too much off on a tangent here, but the term "emptiness" coming from the sankrit word shunyata doesn't really do the concept justice, imo. You have to ask, empty of what? Empty of permanence and empty of a self identity that is independent of all else. Personally, I do not believe any longer in "empty space".

Empty of any elaborations...lucid clarity....pure perception.....just being.... Pure knowing.

[Kelly]

Emptiness does not mean killing your personality, nor is it new age.
Yes, there are forces at work out there, making our lives impossible and hard, when all we really want, is to live in peace, but where does the peace start and end?
With you.
With me,
With all of us.
Inside.
In that space, your space.
Being empty does not mean being vacant or vacuous,
It means being aware of your nature, everything inherent is within you, the good the bad the evil the ugly the beautiful, all are projections which arise within ourselves, but are not ourselves.

[Tony]

Posted by ngogly (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
...
The 'evil' is....I am!
…
But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?
…
Tony...the evil one!

Lot of empty words and back projection - “The evil exist only because you exist”. Typical new-age answer which means nothing, raises lot of mud and blurs or changes focus. Usually propagates that humans have some sort of "original sin" and are "bad" or "evil". Solution is usually provided as some sort of unity, group identity or need to stop exist.

The basic way of masking real crime is bending words and start to argue about the meaning of them.

The bad/good concept is understood by any person, is probably related to our form of experience and have no universal meaning. But remember, we are not talking about some mystical realms, at moment we are talking about evil in our civilization, so religious philosophy is unsuitable.

Jewish supremists want gentiles to have one group entity and that is the ideology behind new-age and multicult nad “kill your personality” ideologies. Also be original through copying Ladi GaGa, your opinions are already formed by Drunvalo Melchizedek or something similar.

We are so quick to point the finger away from ourselves. This makes life too simple, them bad, me good.

and then

But surely we are the good guys? Oh, really?

By your own philosophy you can only call yourself a bad, not other humans.

When realises that one's true nature is EMPTINESS, then there is nothing for demonic forces to prey upon

Firstly when did barely plausible demons come to play and secondly who proved that bad thing done by evil people are actually related to demons? Looks like a bed time story in catholic school.

Lastly, without bothering my mind what you mean by word “EMPTYNESS”, I and fellow humans are not empty but you can continue with empty platform :D

You have a right to your opinions.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.

I'm not even sure really what people mean when they say "demonic". It's a problematic word for me....only surpassed by the words "god" and "love", which can be interpreted in so many ways. The history of usage of demon/daemon has morphed over the millenia and only has taken on a negative connotation late in the game. The way I see it, one might as well be saying "Goblin" or "Fairy" when they use that word. What does it really mean? I mean, other than "something hostile that is not completely understood". Are we talking about astral beings, extradimensionals, ultraterrestrials, extraterrestrials, all of the above, something else? Sorry for the rant, but I wish we would could just delete the words "demonic"/"demon" and coin a new word that is very clear and precise in it's meaning that doesn't have so much baggage.

[ngogly]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Yoy have a right to your opinions.

Yes, I have and I used it, so did you.

[Eram]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

I would sure be interested to learn what else you can say about this subject sirdipswitch...

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...]

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.

What an interesting man.
For some reason I've never read into his work or listened to him.
Science, spirituality, whistle blowing and pointing us to learn about who we truly are... Sounds like my favourite kind of guy.

You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
Those in control of this planet, are not of this planet. The 13 leading families in control of world politics, are simply their puppets in this game.

sirdipswitch

I would sure be interested to learn what else you can say about this subject sirdipswitch...

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...]

That's certainly correct. Part 3 of Dr Bill Deagle's very brilliant December 2006 Granada Forum Lecture discusses this, and nails it all.

His term: hyper-dimensional demonic entities. And if you don't believe they exist, it supports them all the more.

What an interesting man.
For some reason I've never read into his work or listened to him.
Science, spirituality, whistle blowing and pointing us to learn about who we truly are... Sounds like my favourite kind of guy.

Also listen to Part 1! (Part 2 is about nutrition and wellness, and Part 4 is just 10 minutes.)

I've watched/listened to Parts 1 and 3 seven or eight times through -- literally -- and I get more out of it each time. The information is so dense... "Dr Bill" (as he is known) was way ahead of his time.

You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.

I agree. It seems to be a paradox, but I think it works like this.

We're probably going to be okay because we're alert and informed. Just because we 'know' that all will be fine, this does not mean that we don't have to do a lot of real-time work between now and then.

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So self fullfilling prophesy, becomes self fullfilling remedy if i understood this correct, even on the largest imaginable scale, thats makes a lot more sense since it also works like this on a personal level, now MAGNIFY. (please).

And in the meantime we will still be in some mayor doodoo, anybody has any clue how long this doodoo will last, until cleanup is complete, i could really use some good news on this one.

Thanks

Ed

[Kindred]

What all this says to me is simply:

"Be the change we wish to see in the world" (paraphrased Gandhi)

and:

"Let thyne eye be single, and thy whole body shall be full of Light"

WE are who we've been waiting for.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Mu2143]

Dr Deagle - Conspiracy Con 2010 (Predictions , Prophecies & The Transformation of Mankind)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pdri2hRgT04

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pdri2hRgT04

Dr Deagle - The Edge - June 3th 2006
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7zqT1aFPg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xv7zqT1aFPg

[Cartomancer]

Posted by sidh25 (here)
i think its us

What a great point of view. The game would be nothing if we decided not to play.

With that said I think that a priesthood is behind all of this. The ultimate string pullers probably have no value of wealth and fame and use those concepts to control those that are obviously involved. There is a hidden hand out there that goes beyond the Vatican or the Masons.

[Maia Gabrial]

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!

That IS the last of the 3 sealed prophesies that St Bernadette gave. Guess who collected them back then? The current pope!

[Cartomancer]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

The (Devil) is within the Vatican..!

That IS the last of the 3 sealed prophesies that St Bernadette gave. Guess who collected them back then? The current pope!

Interesting views in light of this Tom Horn interview on Red Ice Radio. Here he discusses the Prophesy of St. Malachi. The prophesy states that the next pope will be the last before the tribulation.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ayvksfg-abw

[turiya]

Posted by Kelly (here)
And fill it up we do,
With so many things,
We dont know what is true!

We can only know what it is not.

-*-

[Eram]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
You know what I don't understand Bill?
All this talk about the possible doom and gloom variations that are ahead of us.. the thread you started .. 'the Ultimate Hypothesis', when I read it, it makes sense to me and I can easily believe it, but when I listen to my inner feeling... There is something that has been growing for more then a year now and that is telling me that we are going to be OK. More than OK actually. It is an inner feeling that says that good times are coming.
I'm the first one to admit that I am a fool in many ways, but my intuition is mostly doing a good job.

I asked a lot of people who I come in contact with and mostly they say the same thing.

What is your point of view on that? You must have come across many people who feel the same as I do.

I agree. It seems to be a paradox, but I think it works like this.

We're probably going to be okay because we're alert and informed. Just because we 'know' that all will be fine, this does not mean that we don't have to do a lot of real-time work between now and then.

It's like a football player having a vision that they're going to win the cup (or an olympic athlete "knowing" that they'll win the gold medal). They still have to get up early, train, take care of themselves, work with their coach... and then, ultimately perform. Then their vision will come to reality.

I'm glad to hear that you are positive about the future Bill. I didn't know that actually.
You touch so many people that it would be a shame if you weren't.

Another thing about this paradox might be that the poor people who are caught up in the game and delusion of controlling this planet are not aware of all the information. They have the technology, the means and the info to control us and to know stuff about the future or possible futures, but there's a lot that they are missing. Maybe they don't know about who's running the show in the end and about its planned purpose with us and the means that it has (Humanity waking up for instance ).

What you said about doing the things necessary: That feels very true too.
I have been trying to ad a new chapter to the book of 'LAZY' in the past 18 years, but since about 2 years there is this urge to stop playing games and get real. Learn what is to be learned, let go of what needs to be let go of, develop what needs to be developed etc.
It's like when I was 17 and I smoked lots of weed, when a inner voice told me to 'quit... or walk a path in life that wasn't my first of choices when I came here' for the rest of my life.
I immediately sobered up and never touched it again.
So now is the time to stop playing games, but in a playful manner to avoid being dragged down in the pits of seriousness to add another paradox.

warmest regards,

Waky

ps: thank you for the vids about Dr Bill.

[sirdipswitch]

Scientific fact, is based on repeatablitiy. But, it must be done "precicely" as previously done, to become an achievable possiblity.

Communion with High Self/Source, has been achieved by the layman, without any religeous dogma to hamper the outcome.

It was achieved more than 30 years ago, by a man who knew nothing more aout it, other than it might be possible.

Since that time, he has written 2 books about it, and collected more than 16,000 testimonies of other people that do it also.

"Adventures Beyond The Body", and "The Secret Of The Soul"; by William Buhlman

You need nothing more, nor no-one else, to achieve communion, with HS/Source, than these two books.

I did it... YOU can do it...

Or, you can just keep on keepin on with all of this psycho babble B/S

Love and Peace
sirdipswitch

[Marsila]

Hello, this is a very good debate and i could not resist adding my own thoughts.

But i have to ask...what is really evil?

does calling someone else evil instantly make you a goody?

That seems to be the plan programmed into our minds despite us knowing it to be strange. This person was called evil let us check them out...and all attention away from the accuser.


so many evil people (in the sense of caring about only themselves and making other lives hells out of spite they themselves can't explain, failing to be empathic) call good people evil.

i've seen very bad people call those who are about to expose them for who they really do, evil lairs, simply to make sure anything that later comes out of their mouth is questionable. the almost real truth seeking person 'defensive' when they were just about to be 'assertive' about 'waking' some people up. of course the name caller always does it in the name of 'truth'....look at what happens in the media when someone finally takes a real stand on those we label the controllers. and unfortunately half the time we like herds of cattle being directed on where to go, may believe it...if only for a second.

The paranoia about being labelled evil when a person is not is...unbelievable. everyone forgets words like evil,good,lies, truth(truth and reality are different), great, bad, ugly, gorgeous etc etc etc are just labels...what about the content? unfortunatley no short cut, you have to taste it to know what it really is.

when a chaneler (and half of them who charge people an arm and a leg for either readings or products) is telling you hate this person and that but not this guy as they like them, as they are in touch with higher self but your not....isn't the whole deed evil actually, compared to someone who'll tell you to follow your own path?

so again just because we call the other end evil, does it make us any better...do we pat ourselves on the back now as 'they are the evil one's' and bake some cookies for each other and chat about our light and how good we are? because of course we are all 100% good?

when we actually start noticing the good and evil within us, instead of just pretending we are good all the time...isn't that when we are more aware of ourselves and our actions, that we finally start 'doing' good instead of just feeling 'good' about ourselves?

okay just had to add this which is the 100% pure opinion of my sometimes evil sometimes good but mostly in between self.

Thank you for this good debate again!

[humanalien]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Evil could be said to be a lack of empathy, not being able to see or feel things from another's point of view. That does open up the picture a little to include all of us!

Evil cannot understand compassion. Many of us isolate ourselves, protect ourselves,
project ourselves so we do not have to acknowledge others suffering.

We may even think it's their karma, and nothing to do with me.
We may even think that other people's lives are their synchronicity and have nothing to do with me.

This thinking would be wrong, because whatever occurs in our life, and whoever we meet is a karmic connection. This is to do with karmic debt, and if ignored, IS ignorance.

Evil does not care about others. Are you without fault?

Step inside and take a good look: this is the first step to exhausting evil, and finding peace.

When we enter a room full of people, there are those we are attracted to, those we are not attracted to and those whom we ignore. It's the same on forums. These three principles govern the whole material universe....attraction, repulsion and inertia (ignorance).

We stay here until we find out and realise the true nature of these three evil poisons.

That will be a very happy day!


Tony

Don't forget that God created all things. There-fore God
created evil/evilness.

Without God, there would be nothing that exists now.

[noxon medem]

- Post erased (edited) by me.

Misunderstood the question.
( have a problem with perceived duality, sorry ..).

nm

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