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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it.

    Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.
    Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
    But we surely can find one.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
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    The biggest success that psy-ops have had over the past few decades is the successful blurring of fact and fiction. This is because so many people spend their time watching fiction on screens that they can no longer tell the difference between what is real and what is Hollywood. Psy-ops were probably tipped off to how successful a strategy this would be when they saw the panicked reaction of the American people to the radio broadcast of HG Wells' War of the Worlds, narrated by Orson Wells, in 1938. And of course, it hasn't been difficult to get people to believe in a super-race of beings that they haven't so much as ever seen a photo of, who will bring their salvation from the heavens when for 2,000 years they had been brainwashed by religion to believe the exact same thing. God and the angels have just been replaced by ETs in this new religion that only requires your total and utter blind faith in the existence of these beings, which you have never seen, for entry into its hallowed portals for communion and absolution. No wonder they think we're stupid.
    Sorry, but IMO, this is a silly reaction/rationalization.

    I'll stick with the very first words I said after listening to the first broadcast by Drake, (something like) "I am convinced he is convinced." I still believe that ON THAT DAY, Drake would have passed a polygraph. He was not lying - he was duped. Duped by whom? Black-ops psy-ops guys? Way back channel, maybe, but Drake himself was convinced by whomever he was talking to, and more than likely, that meant that whomever he was talking to believed it too.

    Have any of you ever been on stage? Any idea how difficult it would have been for Drake to go into character and speak the words he did, deliver the words the way he did, as an actor delivering rehearsed psy-ops lines? That's by far the LEAST likely scenario. Drake making it all up for attention is the second least likely scenario.

    You really think an actor delivering psy-ops lines would flip out the way he did over a post made on Avalon? Wasn't that obvious that you were dealing with a single personality at that point?

    "No wonder they think we're stupid."

    No, we ARE stupid if we think for one minute this was a psy-op plan. Jesus H Christ, can't we recognize a regular, ordinary, flawed, human - just like us - when we meet one?

    The most likely scenario (remember Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that there really was a plan, for decades, within some military personnel. Seems likely to me that thousands of military members watched JFK's head go back and to the left and watched the Joint Chiefs and the President lie - and the military guys couldn't do a damn thing about it. It probably festered for years in many military personnel's minds as the sickeningly phony story was repeated over and over.

    In fact, I would have a very difficult time believing that no one had a plan to take out the rotten apples from the inside. I personally know an idiot that dedicated nearly three years to The Reset Button, a different plan to take out the rotten apples (well, the whole damn orchard, really), so I know there are people who will step up and create a plan. And, I know what it's like when people would rather watch reality TV, argue over Democrats and Republicans, or hold up signs saying "Jail the Bankers!" rather than even consider supporting or even signing a different plan that actually could work.

    I stopped listening to Drake when his train went off the rails (Avalon freakout/second show?), so I don't know how crazy he got - but he probably got pretty crazy. Imagine if you believed in this plan for years and years, expected cooperation and cheers from citizens, and had to live through the plan's fizzle - imagine how heartbroken and angry you would be.

    Still think he's a psy-ops guy? A liar?

    Drake is a tragic character. A patriot ready to die trying to get the rotten scum out of the US government and the nefarious corporations. It didn't work. The plan did not materialize. Like I said, I suspect he went crazy as the plan fell apart and as he got no help and massive doses of ridicule. Does it appear to you that he has gone a bit (or a lot) crazy? And you're still poking the crazy guy with sticks? What does that say about YOU, dear reader?

    So, may I respectfully recommend that people stop kicking and spitting on the guy
    laying on the sidewalk. He tried. He failed. Oh, and don't worry, no one else is going to try, so you can put the slings and arrows back in the gun safe.

    Dennis

    p.s. Avocadess, as the OP, maybe this is a good time to request this thread be closed.
    Hi Dennis, my sentiments too! He at least followed his heart and didn't fail, the plan did!

    Stan

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    Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it.

    Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.
    Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
    But we surely can find one.

    Stan
    Hi Stan,

    Laughing is 100% natural and free and heart healthy.

    You said:"I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though." As the risk of sounding like a Yoda wanna be, "Do...not try". It's only hard because you just programed yourself into that belief. It's as simple as changing a hat, change the belief. (Ah-ha moment, I should take my own advice. Thanks for the help, Stan.)


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    DANNION BRINKLEY (author of Saved By the Light) predicts civil war of U.S. military versus retired U.S. military:


    https://youtube.com/watch?v=7zw6JmHdQN4


    Wishing you the best day EVER..!!


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    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
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    Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it.

    Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.

    Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
    But we surely can find one.

    Stan
    Thank you Stan,

    We surely can find answers. We are all in this together and that for me is of utmost importance to understand.

    La Tigra

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    Phyllis Schlafly on Why Calling a Constitutional Convention is a Bad Idea

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    Phyllis Schlafly on Why Calling a Constitutional Convention is a Bad Idea
    So true. That has always been the problem, that the power brokers would use it to shove through their agenda of dismantling the Constitution. Problem is, the Constitution IS ALREADY, as George Bush put it, "just a goddamn piece of paper". The corporate government took over in the mid 1800's, bought and paid for the beltway lock, stock and barrel, made us all slaves through the Reconstruction Act, and hypothecated every single bit of asset or future production and energy from the people to the banksters in the 1933 bankruptcy.

    We're under a constant and continual military state of emergency, under the war powers act, which gives the president full executive authority to enforce executive "orders" which come from the owners of this corporatocracy, the actual board of directors, the banksters, any friggin time they please, and we can't do a friggin thing about it. We ARE SLAVES, indentured through agreement and acquiescence, taking benefits and privileges from this trough of lies. So, when someone comes along and tells me that the Constitution has protected liberty for 230 years, they are blowing smoke, and setting up mirrors. It's NEVER been that way.

    The Constitutional Convention would need to be called by the people, under the original organic states WITHOUT the corporate states, and the delegates and the agenda would need to be drafted and sent by the people. That is the only way it would work, and the only way to overthrow the existing tyrannical government.

    Until people start showing up at their own city councils and calling bullsh!t, and then take it to their state legislatures, don't hold your breath for any lawful organic solution.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Ishtar, without spending a lot of time working backwards through quotes of quotes and spending even more time, your post in the Drake thread about StarDust's post picking an ET help/intervention (which was in the original Drake disclosure and underscored by Wilcock) detail out of Stan's post about Drake realizing that the military is not going to do anything, and a casual mention of his belief of ETs is what set you off... and your post happened to be the trigger to make me say, "enough."

    Your post repeated the theme that Drake is part of an organized psy-ops. I certainly did reply to that, and do think it is silly that anyone would believe the Drake saga was a planned psy-ops.

    To be clear, I didn't and I have never posted about whether or not Drake is deliberately part of a psy-ops campaign, although I think he was likely used by such. If you've read that into any of my posts, then that's because you're not concentrating on what I'm saying. I have never posted on that because I just don't know whether that's true or not. And I think it's quite likely his narcissistic ego has made him very malleable for others to use him as a 'useful idiot' and thus his first broadcasts, at least, were probably genuine, if not all of them, although he has patently lied and made death threats during them.

    There's more than one way of disseminating psy-ops and most of those disseminating it don't know that they are.

    My post that you decided was "silly and irrational" was entirely and 100 per cent about the widespread unsubstantiated belief in ETs caused by the blurring between fact and fiction, and the only radio broadcast mentioned was that of Orson Wells and not Drake.
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    p.s. I'm seriously done with this thread and won't reply to it again.
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    We have the answers Stan, we just keep looking for them in people who don't have them.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Oh, Dear. Stan -- relax just a moment and laugh with everyone else. God knows we need it.

    Of course serious solutions are needed. We've all just come to realize -- Avocadess included, to her great credit -- that Drake's answer is not the one.
    Ok, Bill and Tigra and WCBD I will take your advice. I will try and laugh. Difficult for me though. Drake it seems in retrospect never did have an answer.
    But we surely can find one.

    Stan

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    Clearly not a thread for the sensitive who are , in spite of their sensitivity, going to take on the world's power brokers.
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    My belief is that even though people should know better, when they here that someone or something is going to save us, solve our problems, they want to cling to some hope. It is all a part of human nature. We all have different levels of day to day frustrations that affect our ability to discern the latest whistleblower. I have had moments like that myself in the past the Charles fiasco was enough for me.

    I have been following this thread waiting to see that Bill Ryan was not going to eat his hat!
    This messianic business has gone too far. People of the sort found on Avalon are mostly past that. How messianic does the first domino feel or look? We have all seen systems that are bound to fail sooner or later, for one reason or another, and been on tenterhooks hoping the end is near when it’s not.

    To give a recent personal example, I have just watched someone die after a massive stroke, surprising the doctors by surviving on no food and no water for... three weeks. Some things can take (much) longer than expected, but the prognosis is generally correct. We don’t hold it against the doctor who thought it might be quick any more than we applaud the one who made the right call.

    The Brockbrader/Drake stuff, which I have been following from a great distance, latched onto the original Keenan lawsuit, which was bound to take time as such matters always do, but which I found interesting to work at, because there were just one or two individuals who needed to be nudged in the right direction to provoke a domino effect. As in sumo wrestling, you can fight beyond your weight merely by applying pressure at the right spot at the right moment – provided you are able to withstand the preceding onslaught.


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    Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
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    Hello all,

    Enough should be enough already. Hasn’t Drake been beaten into the ground? It appears that some of you don’t want to let this thread die. How ironic that the very ones who ridiculed and cautioned against the falsehoods and diversion of energy are the very ones that are so passionately defending their positions.

    Drake himself is defeated, what possible good or understanding can come from any of us hurling insults at each other. By doing so we have proven that TPTB have shown once again the Achilles heal of us poor mortals - - We act as if we are separate and have failed to see one of the greater truths ever given to us. “What you do or say unto another so you do unto yourself.” It is so easy to see hypocrisy in another, most difficult to see in one self.

    I am still new to the forum and in the short time I have been participating I have been very impressed, enlightened and moved by the genuine desire of the members to strip away the veils and falsehoods whether they be internal or external. To share information freely, to express and explore with others what may be driving us over the precipice. To help each other heal… This is a sacred place if we make it so by honoring what we all ultimately stand for - freedom.

    There is a difficult road before us all, wouldn’t it be easier if we could realize that the primary defense of the power brokers and manipulators is to keep us separated and at each others throat.

    We discredit ourselves so easily when we can’t allow for a differing point of view. All of our perceptions are subjective and everyone has something to share if we would listen without prejudice.

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    Quote Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
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    Hey foreverfan, I voted a Bush for President four times, don't feel too bad...
    Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
    You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.
    Uh oh, Fred, we're in trouble now. WhiteCrowBlackDeer is on our case.

    (I voted for Bush four times too.)
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    Christine,

    Why should this thread be deemed no longer useful just when the story is reaching its climax? I've just been listening to Drake and Rick Light explaining how it's now time for everyone to 'git her done', in complete contradistinction to what he was saying only a week or so ago about sitting back and watching the fireworks as the cavalry will do everything.

    He is repeating today what he was saying on Sunday, that it is up to the people now and that they have to act now, with around three million militia men in readiness to act.

    Why are some of you so uncomfortable about this discussion that you want to close the thread? If you don't think these discussions are of value, you don't have to come in here and read the posts.

    Why are some of the mods always so quick to blame the 'naysayers' for 'hurling insults' when all they are doing is standing up for themselves when they are falsely accused by others? It was Dennis that said I was being 'silly and irrational' over a post he hadn't even read properly, and refused to re-read when I PM'ed him and Bill about their taking my quote and misrepresenting it. I haven't had a reply to my PM, nor an apology for misrepresenting me.

    If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

    But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.
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    Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)

    If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

    But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.
    Hi Ishtar. Maybe Christina, as a very new mod, should have said the old: "Mod hat off". Beyond that, as far as I can tell, someone has merely offered a completely valid opinion, and the Drake thread is still open.

    Cheers,
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    OK, thanks Fred ... and I have offered a completely valid opinion in return.

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    These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.

    George Bush wasn't even up to speed on the whole PTB dealie he was involved with.


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    Quote Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
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    Oh, so you're the one that's caused all this mess.
    You can run...but you can't hide. I'm watching you... Mr. Fred.
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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.
    Careful, though, 9eagle9.

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    A thread is no longer useful once everyone stops posting in it or if it's closed because of extreme abuse, which is not happening here. We are adults here and if we can't stand the heat then we will be of NO help if and when the going gets really tough! If someone is done with this thread or any thread then they need not participate any more. That seems pretty simple instead of one or two people saying that because they are done with it, they think everyone else should be done with it and it should be closed.

    This discussion will be over...when it's over, not when one or two people say it's over. It will be enough when it's enough. If the thread is closed because of an arbitrary decision by admin in response to those few who want to see it closed, or because admin is done with it, I would consider that to be rather excessively and unnecessarily controlling. This has been a very productive discussion on many levels.

    It's all about free will. No one is forcing anyone to comment or read in this thread AND it's not over. The Drake movement is not over. It continues to morph into ever more interesting scenarios. It's a fascinating study of human nature on all sides of the game. The more we see how others act and react in certain situations, at every stage of the game, the more we know and understand them and ourselves. The winding down and ending are just as important as the beginning, sometimes MORE important. Until the coup de grace... the game continues.
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    Default Re: Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

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    A thread is no longer useful once everyone stops posting in it or if it's closed because of extreme abuse, which is not happening here. We are adults here and if we can't stand the heat then we will be of NO help if and when the going gets really tough! If someone is done with this thread or any thread then they need not participate any more. That seems pretty simple instead of one or two people saying that because they are done with it, they think everyone else should be done with it and it should be closed.

    This discussion will be over...when it's over, not when one or two people say it's over. It will be enough when it's enough. If the thread is closed because of an arbitrary decision by admin in response to those few who want to see it closed, or because admin is done with it, I would consider that to be rather excessively and unnecessarily controlling. This has been a very productive discussion on many levels.

    It's all about free will. No one is forcing anyone to comment or read in this thread AND it's not over. The Drake movement is not over. It continues to morph into ever more interesting scenarios. It's a fascinating study of human nature on all sides of the game. The more we see how others act and react in certain situations, at every stage of the game, the more we know and understand them and ourselves. The winding down and ending are just as important as the beginning, sometimes MORE important. Until the coup de grace... the game continues.

    It is sort of like a bad car wreck or watching someone embarrass themselves in an extreme manner. I think that's why they want it closed. People don't want it to continue because they are possibly embarrassed and don't like that feeling. So be it, a little bit a embarrassment is good for the ego.

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