The Bible

[heyokah]

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Posted by Beren (here)
Sorry for Observer but he think by his replies here that his findings got him kinda elevated than the rest, in reality he continued judging other opinions save his own.
What made him think that he's "got" it and others didn't --I don't know...

some times Beren bro we are so convinced

that we cannot tolerate another opinion


and so we become thought police

censoring and suppressing

thoughts we don't agree with


that is a path we don't want to walk

Dear Red, I admire your self-knowledge....


We Dutch have a saying: "Where two fight, two are guilty". When more fight against one, it's an unfair fight.

You and kreagle have a clear mission and so has observer.

Hey yes but Observer bro want to close this thread

and i didn't even ask him to stop posting here

so i am no thought police

I don't agree.

You just did it your way.

[RedeZra]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
[U]God is not found in meditation[/U]

but in prayer and praises

A brief reply to your post:

These are the notes from a class I taught on this subject. You have to reach people where they are at in their understanding, and not just make blanket statements.


Christian Meditation

"Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all." (1 Tim. 4:15).

To understand the importance of meditation in the life of a Christian one need only look to the scriptures, for the references are in abundance if you are willing to search them out. In the Psalms are many of the references I speak of, and it is there that we frequently see the importance of "meditating": "I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings." (Psalms 77:12). "I will meditate on Your precepts, And contemplate Your ways." (Psalms 119:15).

sure i agree ; )

i should have added...


God is not found in meditation

where we focus on our breath or count a mantra or just go blank





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Posted by Beren (here)
Sorry for Observer but he think by his replies here that his findings got him kinda elevated than the rest, in reality he continued judging other opinions save his own.
What made him think that he's "got" it and others didn't --I don't know...

some times Beren bro we are so convinced

that we cannot tolerate another opinion


and so we become thought police

censoring and suppressing

thoughts we don't agree with


that is a path we don't want to walk

Dear Red, I admire your self-knowledge....


We Dutch have a saying: "Where two fight, two are guilty". When more fight against one, it's an unfair fight.

You and kreagle have a clear mission and so has observer.

Hey yes but Observer bro want to close this thread

and i didn't even ask him to stop posting here

so i am no thought police

I don't agree.

You just did it your way.

no you just fancy Observer ; )

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

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Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
Sorry for Observer but he think by his replies here that his findings got him kinda elevated than the rest, in reality he continued judging other opinions save his own.
What made him think that he's "got" it and others didn't --I don't know...

some times Beren bro we are so convinced

that we cannot tolerate another opinion


and so we become thought police

censoring and suppressing

thoughts we don't agree with


that is a path we don't want to walk

Dear Red, I admire your self-knowledge....


We Dutch have a saying: "Where two fight, two are guilty". When more fight against one, it's an unfair fight.

You and kreagle have a clear mission and so has observer.

Hey yes but Observer bro want to close this thread

and i didn't even ask him to stop posting here

so i am no thought police

I don't agree.

You just did it your way.

no you just fancy Observer ; )

As I fancy his mission

[kreagle]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
Observer-

If you find this thread offensive, why not just stay away from it? I get a lot of interesting perspectives from reading the posts, even yours. Why you would even think that this thread should be closed because your truths are questioned by anyone here, is outrageous. The very freedom of speech that we all want and discuss at avalon is something you wish to take away from those of us who enjoy coming to this thread.

It seems like you are a very angry person from the tone in which you write. I could be wrong, but I get sense that you think those who don't agree with your opinions are not worthy of expressing theirs. That's frightening to me, personally. I don't believe Paul or any of the moderators would close this thread. It's the most non-offensive thread on the forum and would start a very dangerous precedent.

GCS1103,


Thank you, dear sister and friend. You don't say a lot,....but when you do it carries a lot of clout, in my opinion. You really seem to have a gentle and sweet persona about you. This is "why" I used my last post, in reference to you, to bring up the "concept" of being "hungry and thirsty" concerning God's Word. You certainly appear "hungry and thirsty" to me,......and that's one of the greatest attributes that a person can have in their quest for truth! A lot of people could really learn a valuable lesson, here, by watching the "responses" by you,....that I have, equally, observed. I hope you didn't mind me "using you" as a "platform",....in an effort to teach "others" about the value of "hunger and thirst".


Love and Peace,......your brother and friend,.......kreagle

[kreagle]

greybeard,


As to your post.......

The danger in using only one reference work ie the Bible is that there is no cross check as to validity of all of it.I have no doubt that some of it is accurate as to the word and actions of Jesus.

As a parallel in order to navigate you can use triangulation to find the true position you occupy.
At least two reference points are used.

I respectfully disagree with the "concept" that "another point of reference" is required to "check the validity of all of it",....in direct correlation to God's Word.


I, personally, do not use "other points of reference" to check the "validity of God's Word",.......BUT RATHER,......I use God's Word to "check the validity of other references.


greybeard,......There's a big,..big,,...big,...difference, here,.....my friend!

I have no doubt that some of it is accurate as to the word and actions of Jesus.

My dear, dear friend,......the "very moment" one begins to proclaim, or think,......that "some of it is accurate",.....means in "reality",.....that you "really question the validity of "all of it".

Either you believe His Word is "entirely" HOLY,......OR......you believe His Word "isn't HOLY, at all!!


My response to truthseekerdan addresses a severe problem that I see,...(and was somewhat guilty of myself),....and that's a "heavy reliance on intellectualism".
Whether you, or others, realize it, or not,....."intellectualism" becomes a major stumbling block,.....an "insurmountable hurdle" to virtually everyone who endeavors to become a Christian.

It's here, greybeard, that a person's "potential" FAITH, becomes a victim, in that, it is never given a proper opportunity to "flourish and grow to maturity"!

And without "FAITH",....it is impossible to please HIM!! (Hebrews 11:6)


Without "FAITH",......a person will not be able to receive the Holy Ghost! (John 7:38-39)

And without the Holy Ghost,...resident in your life,.....you'll never be able to "spiritually understand" the great mysteries and concepts of God's Word. (1 Corinthians 2:13-15)

As the "first four words of this OP state",....."let the Bible speak".....


The Bible,.....is speaking


Love and Peace,......your servant..........kreagle

[greybeard]

Dear Kreagle
My faith is total utter and complete and arrived without the Bible.
Assuming you read my testimony on the thread--- I owe my earthy life to the direct intervention of God--- what more do I need?
The path of enlightenment--- union with God is my way-- that I have investigated as fully as you have obviously investigated the Bible.
I value my soul and do not surrender it lightly--- it is surrendered to the loving God who supports me in sobriety every moment of every day.

Kreagle you take the Bible to be completely true without any line or paragraph being other than the word of God-- all or nothing.
If thats your belief fine but its not mine.

All Im saying is that there are other places to find Gods word.

I trust God implicitly ---so the rest is no longer relevant--- of interest yes but I dont have to be right as to the content of any book.
Bible scholars disagree-- what chance have I of being right in my interpretation?
People on this thread cant even agree who Jesus was.

Im totally safe loving God--- and dont say which God?

My experience of the Love of God is direct and beyond intellect.
So we agree on that being necessary
.
Funnily enough enlightened sages say the same--- it requires devotion, surrender-- the release of concepts, belief system ego, the need to be intellectually right.
etc Then God reveals Himself--- the Indians call enlightenment God realisation for good reason and the state of enlightenment is experienced by people of all cultures. Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti, Tony Parsons Byron Kate Dr David Hawkins, but to name but five.

"The Father and I are One---you can do the same and more"
That being true others have become that Truth before and after the life of Jesus

With love Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by kreagle (here)
"truthseekerdan",.......I sincerely hope you'll become,......."truthfinderdan"!

Mr. Kreagle we are not just mortal humans as most religions and beliefs led us to believe.
In fact we are metaphysical (light) beings in a temporary union with physical reality. When our mind is quiet and disconnected from the flashes of meaningless thoughts that float on its surface, it becomes one with the consciousness of the universe through a formless continuum of light. Once this union is entered, our mind becomes fully conscious and completely aware of the flow of all thoughts in a realm illuminated by event visions. These event visions are at the very core of each one of us and are accessible when we can suspend or momentarily let go of traditional beliefs about our self and the physical world around us.

P.S. I'm talking here from my personal spiritual experiences as a "truth finder" following my heart and intuition, and not only as a "truth seeker" or believer -- being a former evangelical christian myself living in "fear of God", was only a label that I used to 'wear' before fully awakening to my true Self...

Much love and blessings to you on whatever path you choose for your spiritual quest.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Hapq5fBIgI

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Dear Kreagle
My faith is total utter and complete and arrived without the Bible.
Assuming you read my testimony on the thread--- I owe my earthy life to the direct intervention of God--- what more do I need?
The path of enlightenment--- union with God is my way-- that I have investigated as fully as you have obviously investigated the Bible.
I value my soul and do not surrender it lightly--- it is surrendered to the loving God who supports me in sobriety every moment of every day.

Kreagle you take the Bible to be completely true without any line or paragraph being other than the word of God-- all or nothing.
If thats your belief fine but its not mine.

All Im saying is that there are other places to find Gods word.

I trust God implicitly ---so the rest is no longer relevant--- of interest yes but I dont have to be right as to the content of any book.
Bible scholars disagree-- what chance have I of being right in my interpretation?
People on this thread cant even agree who Jesus was.

Im totally safe loving God--- and dont say which God?

My experience of the Love of God is direct and beyond intellect.
So we agree on that being necessary
.
Funnily enough enlightened sages say the same--- it requires devotion, surrender-- the release of concepts, belief system ego, the need to be intellectually right.
etc Then God reveals Himself--- the Indians call enlightenment God realisation for good reason and the state of enlightenment is experienced by people of all cultures. Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti, Tony Parsons Byron Kate Dr David Hawkins, but to name but five.

"The Father and I are One---you can do the same and more"
That being true others have become that Truth before and after the life of Jesus

With love Chris

Chris, there is a story in Bible where apostles upon seeing one man performing miracles in the name of Christ without their permission nor direct Christ`s permission- wanted from Christ to stop this man.
In their understanding and current paradigm- they had exclusive right to perform miracles and do God`s will.

What was Christ`s answer?

Leave that man be. If he isn`t against us- he is for us.

I may add here let the one who has ears to hear - let them hear.

P.S.
When someone connect with God directly, who is anyone to dispute that?

[kreagle]

greybeard.....my dear friend,


You genuinely appear to be a "great guy" and I, no doubt, understand that you are walking in the "light",.....as you see it.

Your "belief and direction in life",.....is totally yours,....and may God bless you, abundantly!!

The "only" problem I have is when "various aspects of God's Word" are,....."trampled under foot",....."conscious, or not"!

This can include, but not be limited by,.....comments such as......."Bible studies brainwashing various individuals where they are unable to act alone",....to....."worship being totally uncalled for and only for the ignorant."

It's "things like this",.....that I DO have an issue with,......and consequently it's,.....once again time,......for "the Bible to speak"


(point)


"SOME PEOPLE" HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE "STEPPING ON"!!! (please forgive me,.....God!)

********On a "much lighter note",.....please view,.....and enjoy,......"all" Avalonians!!!**********

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W8YUabVAcdM

I Love you "all",..........kreagle

(I "do" have a "wacky-side",....too!)

[HORIZONS]

1 Cor. 2: 6-16 spells out this whole debate for me. The Bible cannot be understood by the natural mindset - can't happen! End of story. Which is why I never debate the validity of the scripture. All I can do is share my understanding, and let the Spirit of God do the rest. I don't believe in God, or even Jesus, because of what the Bible - or religion - has to say - but because of the FACT that God has been proven to me so many times in my life that I could never even count them. I guess I am one of the fortunate ones, as faith came easy in my early youth, without being taught anything by religion, but rather by the Spirit of God within me - and this has happened over and over again throughout all my life - yet I still keep searching for greater understanding of That which has apprehended me. The problems came later when I did allow religion to teach me spiritual things, and then having to unlearn all those doctrines of man, for those are not spiritual but carnal indeed.

I know by my personal experience - and then by the Word - of what is true in my life concerning the Bible and my relationship to God. I have even studied many of the works that speak against the Bible and its validity, and many other religious pov's and such materials as Observer has posted (been there, done that), and given fair consideration to all that has been said by many pov's. But you can never turn my faith away from the Relationship and the revelation I have developed over all of these years, the experiences I have had in the Spirit, and the Reality of God in my life since I was 13 years old, when God first revealed Himself to me. When you have an experience like this you are never the same, you may have lots of difficulties, and face many doubts, but you are never the same as you were before you were born of the Spirit. God is absolutely real, as is His Word (and you probably do not really know or understand what I mean by that statement), so it would be of no avail for me to try and convince anyone - you have to seek and to know for yourself what the truth is for you. When you are born of the Spirit then, and only then, can you begin to understand the mysteries of the Bible - and I hope that this happens for all of you that are searching for truth. If you can ever get past the surface of the scripture, and the natural understanding, there is so much wisdom to be revealed to you it will blow your mind. And it just gets deeper and deeper as the years go by - truly amazing! But it is all foolishness to the natural mind.

1 Cor. 2: 6 - 16, However, we do use wisdom to speak to those who are mature. It is a wisdom that doesn't belong to this world or to the rulers of this world who are in power today and gone tomorrow. We speak about the mystery of God's wisdom. It is a wisdom that has been hidden, which God had planned for our glory before the world began. Not one of the rulers of this world has known it. If they had, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. But as Scripture says: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him." God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches everything, especially the deep things of God. After all, who knows everything about a person except that person's own spirit? In the same way, no one has known everything about God except God's Spirit. Now, we didn't receive the spirit that belongs to the world. Instead, we received the Spirit who comes from God so that we could know the things which God has freely given us. We don't speak about these things using teachings that are based on intellectual arguments like people do. Instead, we use the Spirit's teachings. We explain spiritual things to those who have the Spirit. A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the teachings of God's Spirit. He thinks they're nonsense. He can't understand them because a person must be spiritual to evaluate them. Spiritual people evaluate everything but are subject to no one's evaluation. "Who has known the mind of the Lord so that he can teach him?" However, we have the mind of Christ.

[Beren]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
1 Cor. 2: 6-16 spells out this whole debate for me. The Bible cannot be understood by the natural mindset - can't happen! End of story. Which is why I never debate the validity of the scripture. All I can do is share my understanding, and let the Spirit of God do the rest. I don't believe in God, or even Jesus, because of what the Bible - or religion - has to say - but because of the FACT that God has been proven to me so many times in my life that I could never even count them. I guess I am one of the fortunate ones, as faith came easy in my early youth, without being taught anything by religion, but rather by the Spirit of God within me - and this has happened over and over again throughout all my life - yet I still keep searching for greater understanding of That which has apprehended me. The problems came later when I did allow religion to teach me spiritual things, and then having to unlearn all those doctrines of man, for those are not spiritual but carnal indeed.

I know by my personal experience - and then by the Word - of what is true in my life concerning the Bible and my relationship to God. I have even studied many of the works that speak against the Bible and its validity, and many other religious pov's and such materials as Observer has posted (been there, done that), and given fair consideration to all that has been said by many pov's. But you can never turn my faith away from the Relationship and the revelation I have developed over all of these years, the experiences I have had in the Spirit, and the Reality of God in my life since I was 13 years old, when God first revealed Himself to me. When you have an experience like this you are never the same, you may have lots of difficulties, and face many doubts, but you are never the same as you were before you were born of the Spirit. God is absolutely real, as is His Word (and you probably do not really know or understand what I mean by that statement), so it would be of no avail for me to try and convince anyone - you have to seek and to know for yourself what the truth is for you. When you are born of the Spirit then, and only then, can you begin to understand the mysteries of the Bible - and I hope that this happens for all of you that are searching for truth. If you can ever get past the surface of the scripture, and the natural understanding, there is so much wisdom to be revealed to you it will blow your mind. And it just gets deeper and deeper as the years go by - truly amazing! But it is all foolishness to the natural mind.

1 Cor. 2: 6 - 16, However, we do use wisdom to speak to those who are mature. It is a wisdom that doesn't belong to this world or to the rulers of this world who are in power today and gone tomorrow. We speak about the mystery of God's wisdom. It is a wisdom that has been hidden, which God had planned for our glory before the world began. Not one of the rulers of this world has known it. If they had, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. But as Scripture says: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him." God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches everything, especially the deep things of God. After all, who knows everything about a person except that person's own spirit? In the same way, no one has known everything about God except God's Spirit. Now, we didn't receive the spirit that belongs to the world. Instead, we received the Spirit who comes from God so that we could know the things which God has freely given us. We don't speak about these things using teachings that are based on intellectual arguments like people do. Instead, we use the Spirit's teachings. We explain spiritual things to those who have the Spirit. A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the teachings of God's Spirit. He thinks they're nonsense. He can't understand them because a person must be spiritual to evaluate them. Spiritual people evaluate everything but are subject to no one's evaluation. "Who has known the mind of the Lord so that he can teach him?" However, we have the mind of Christ.

Bless you dear soul !

It`s always about the spirit.
Either of Love or Fear.

Spirit of fear is loaded with knowledge but dig deeper and you`ll see that it`s incomplete and thus unreliable -fake .
Spirit of Love is the Knowledge,perfect and divine.

And every spirit carries fruits and we will know them according to their fruits.

Cherish this connection dear Horizons as it is God`s gift to you.

[greybeard]

Kreagle respectfully I have never would never disrespect God--
I have had friends who became born again and frankly--- they turned from nice easy going to quoting hell and damnation and quoting the preacher.
They were the elect and I would be too if I joined them--- only then would I be saved.
If I have a concern--- its not a problem--- its with dogma. The fundamentalist seemingly has to believe what his peers (study group) believe or!!!!!
I am not against study groups Im just concerned when fundamentalist dogma enters in. (thats intellectual -- not the heart felt essence)
I have not said prayer unnecessary I do often daily--- I just said meditation is not prayer and it is important to be still and listen to God.
How can you hear God if your talking?--- both prayer and meditation have their place but I put it in the context of "Be still and know that I am God"
I pray daily that I may be shown how I can serve Him
You will also note where I quoted the steps of AA---- Sought through prayer and meditation etc.

You have misunderstood what I said Kreagle--- no disrespect to you was intended.

Red has trashed Kundalini I am K awakened--- he is talking from ignorance--- he is taking the word of some one who possibly had a bad experience with it, that happens if you force it. My experience was and is good.
I know the truth of---- "Of myself I do nothing"
With Love
Chris

[GCS1103]

Horizons- That was an incredible post. Many thanks to you.

[kreagle]

truthseekerdan,

I thank you for your post and certainly want to wish you well, likewise!

One thing about your "recent" post somewhat stuck out to me......

P.S. I'm talking here from my personal spiritual experiences as a "truth finder" following my heart and intuition, and not only as a "truth seeker" or believer -- being a former evangelical christian myself living in "fear of God", was only a label that I used to 'wear' before fully awakening to my true Self...

If you, truthseekerdan, did indeed,....live in "fear of God",.....then evidently you were "taught to do this" by the evangelical church that you "formerly belonged to". This is not the "first time" that I have seen this "grievous error" inflicted upon various church members simply because they, evidently, didn't know any better.

I, kreagle, do not live in "fear of God",.....in that I'm not "afraid of Him". At no time does God wish for, nor does His Word teach, that we are to be "afraid of Him". This is "why", on numerous occasions, where various individuals in the Bible were suddenly approached or visited by "angelic beings" that their first words were to,....."be not afraid"!!!!

The "proper" interpretation of living in "fear of God" would be to have a "reverent respect" for Him. I certainly have a "reverent respect" for God,.....but I am not "afraid" of Him!


It may surprise you to know that I did, indeed, click on your video,( 6+ minutes worth), concerning your "new found" belief system. Based upon the fact that it completely abandons the "Biblical account",.....then I have no choice, or option, to likewise abandon its content, too.

Worshipping anyone or anything doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Worship of any kind is the evidence of a complete ignorance.

Other than this,.....we've already covered the "differences" we each share on the subject of "worship",....in the Bible. Your statements, regarding this, were pretty harsh,....and I would think that someone with your "background" would have,...and exercise,....a little more restraint and respect concerning this. Just because you've decided "it's not for you",......doesn't give you the "right" to "throw it to the ground and trample all over it"! It is HOLY to me,......and I promise you,....it's HOLY to God!!

"Respect" is a two-way street, my friend!



Your friend and servant,.........kreagle

[kreagle]

HORIZONS,

Brother,....I too,....have especially enjoyed many of your "recent posts". You are "gifted", to say the least,.....and I exhort you to "keep up the excellent work"!

Your "latest" post, #1590, really caught my eye especially, in that, I too was approximately "13 years old" when I first "really heard about God"

My "really hearing about God" involved me actually "being introduced",....( I certainly didn't know it at the time),......to the "existence of the Holy Ghost!" (note: I will have to admit that at the "tender age of 13",...I was "just like" the 12 disciples of John the Baptist, in that,...."I, too, didn't know that the Holy Ghost even existed!!) (Acts 19:1-7)

I'd like to "set the tone", here,.....by sharing this passage of Scripture........

Ephesians 4:29-31
King James Version (KJV)

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:


Notice verse 30, above,......."grieve not the holy Spirit of God".

You'll notice there are no guidelines, here, as to whether it makes a difference if you are 100 yrs. old,.....75,.....50,.....35,.......or,....."just 13 yrs. old". We are simply informed to....."grieve not the holy Spirit of God"! At "all times",.....one should come to realize,....."right out of the gate, so to speak",.....that God's Spirit is to be treated with "nothing but complete reverent respect",...."always"!

As a matter-of-fact,.....the "only unpardonable sin" recorded in the Bible is,.....(you guessed it),....."blasphemy against the Holy Ghost". (Matthew 12:31)


Now let me take you back to the "story of young, kreagle,....age 13 yrs. old".


My dad, after a successful career in running a large retail chain store,.....decided to "return to his roots",.....return to Alabama,......be his own boss,.....and once again,.....take up "farming",..(only "this time" it would involve owning and operating a "dairy farm")

We always maintained a "crew of hands" at the dairy farm of, at least, 5 "men", besides my father, (that's 6), and "one" boy,....that's "me".

I will "always remember the day" when I...., age 13,.... and "David",...(one of the "crew"),....around 20 yrs. old,......were walking across the pasture in front of our dairy farm,.....and suddenly we began,....(actually "David" began),....to talk about "God". I'm not sure what brought "this particular subject" up,....but the "next thing I knew",......."David was telling me about the infilling of the Holy Ghost!!" I distinctly remember,....."listening and watching,...in awe",....as "David", a young 20 yr. old himself, spoke......"with tears in his eyes" of people in his church beginning to "speak in other tongues",.....as they were "gloriously filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost!" (remember,....this was the "first time" I had ever heard about the Holy Ghost!)


The "next thing" I would like to point out, here,....is NOT what a young 13 yr. old, kreagle,....did,........but RATHER,......what I......didn't do!!!

I,....did not,......"grieve the holy Spirit of God"!!!,.....I did not "charge God, foolishly",....I simply had enough "sense" and "reverent respect" to "keep my mouth shut",....and to "ponder these things in my heart"!

Pretty "smart" for a "13 yr. old",.....wouldn't you say?

I wish, at this point in my story, that I was able to tell and inform you all that I "immediately began to serve the Lord",....but unfortunately I did not, then,....but it would "actually be another 13 years",...."at the age of 26, before I was able to "see, and experience, for myself,.....what "David" was talking about as we both walked together across the pasture, 13 years earlier."

I have often wondered,......"what did God see,...in a young "punk like me",...age 13"?

From the time that I "heard about His Spirit",....until,......I "received His Spirit",.....13 "additional years" had passed by, in which I basically "broke every rule" that a young man could possibly break! I really believe that I, alone, wrote a "new definition to the word,......"heathen",....for I was one in "every sense of the word"!


As I said, earlier,....."I don't know what God saw in me,.....but I know what He didn't see!

He didn't see a "13 yr. old" being disrespectful to Him,.....when he didn't understand or know about the Holy Ghost.

He didn't see a "13 yr. old",....mock,....ridicule,.....or make fun of,.....His Holy Spirit,.....like a "whole lot of grown-ups do today!"


(in conclusion)


My dear, dear, friends.......

"If" you do not "understand" the "operation, and design" of the "Holy Ghost" for your life

"If" you cannot "comprehend,...now",....how God can, or would,....speak through you in "another tongue" as He gloriously fills you with His Spirit

"If" you are completely baffled about all of "this"


then......take a "hint" from a "little 13 yr. old boy" walking across a pasture......

Don't charge God,.....foolishly,....and "grieve His Holy Spirit"

Learn when to be "quiet",....."until He shows you,....somewhere down the road!"


With Great Love,......your servant,......kreagle

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Red has trashed Kundalini I am K awakened--- he is talking from ignorance--- he is taking the word of some one who possibly had a bad experience with it, that happens if you force it.

i was wondering

why don't the kundalini spirit sages teach the same as the Holy spirit saints

regarding the doctrine of enlightenment contra the dogma of salvation


so i found several testimonies from people speaking about being possessed by hindu spirits

who fled in the face of the Holy spirit from Jesus Christ


so i no longer wonder

why the sages don't teach the same as the saints


Jesus is the Highest authority in the universe

[RedeZra]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
1 Cor. 2: 6-16 spells out this whole debate for me. The Bible cannot be understood by the natural mindset - can't happen!

it is important to notice

that the basics in the Bible

will not be contradicted by the Holy spirit


God is not going to spell out His plan to the enemy

so there is a lot of hidden depth in the Bible

which only the Spirit of God can reveal

[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Red has trashed Kundalini I am K awakened--- he is talking from ignorance--- he is taking the word of some one who possibly had a bad experience with it, that happens if you force it.

i was wondering

why don't the kundalini spirit sages teach the same as the Holy spirit saints

regarding the doctrine of enlightenment contra the dogma of salvation


so i found several testimonies from people speaking about being possessed by hindu spirits

who fled in the face of the Holy spirit from Jesus Christ


so i no longer wonder

why the sages don't teach the same as the saints


Jesus is the Highest authority in the universe

Of course Jesus is highest authority as He is God

Not saying this is so Red but a possibility.
Once enlightenment has occurred the one realising the Truth that One is One with God then saving is not necessary.
Again Jesus said He is One with the Father and we can do the same.
Enlightenment is rare event-- not even in the thousands so we, the rest, unenlightened-- the majority need saved.

My experience of K is that I did not even know what it was and it happened spontaneously-- later I found out what it is.
Those that through ego look for spiritual power/abilities try to force awakening and suffer the consequences-- yes they have to beg the help of Christ/God.
Some even loose their minds and end up in institutions-- all true.
I was given the ability to heal--- calcified backs straightened-- migraines went permanently, tumours atrophied.
I very quickly realised that I was not personally doing this--- if I was I could heal everyone but that was not the case.
There after every healing before I started was surrendered to the will of God--- of my self I am not the doer.
All healing is by the power of God--- I was just a conduit.

In general religion teaches God is out there in Heaven--- ( though Jesus said the kingdom is within) The Enlightened teach that God can be found within and focus on that.
Jesus taught non-duality for those ready to hear that--- The father and I are One is non-duality.
That is the fundamental difference between the path of devotional non-duality which has no dogma and religion.

My memory is not great but did not the Bible say that God became everything without diminishing Himself in any way?
I may be in error with this
If its so God became you and I too. We Just dont know that personally.

Before the fall everyone was enlightened-- God walked the earth in the form of all--- non duality.
After the fall we had duality--- the knowledge of Oneness was lost.
The enlightened through the grace of God were given back that knowledge.
Any enlightened being will say you cant make that state happen it is by the Grace of God.
The paradox is that the state is complete Oneness without a second yet there is the realisation that God is supreme.
The mind cant get that.

Love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Once enlightenment has occurred the one realising the Truth that One is One with God then saving is not necessary.

if enlightenment is as i think a powerful spirit possession

then that spirit will feel like God to the enlightened


salvation is also some sort of spirit possession

since it is the Holy spirit who will dwell within us


see how spirits really run this show ; )

Posted by greybeard (here)
Again Jesus said He is One with the Father and we can do the same.

actually Jesus said we can do the same if we receive His spirit

Posted by greybeard (here)
Of course Jesus is highest authority as He is God

Yes Jesus is God among gods and men

there is no other God than Jesus

the rest are His creation


before Jesus was born He was God in Heaven


the sages will say there is no such thing

but that is because they are possessed

by spirits who have fallen away from the authority of God


such spirits are God wannabees

and playing gods among men


may Jesus have Mercy on them

[HORIZONS]

Thanks Kreagle for sharing your story, as I can relate to it. I did not hear, or know anything about the Holy Spirit until I was about 19 or so. When I first became exposed to this "baptism" I was not ready for it, and passed on by this experience for me - as there was some fear involved by what others had said about this. But God is always faithful, and when I was in my mid 20's, and had moved to mid-America, I became involved with a group that was very Pentecostal and it was then that I first received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues , and I knew that it was the real deal. But I have seen so many abuses of this gift throughout the years since then, and I think it is these abuses that grieve the Holy Spirit - people that use this gift from God for self-aggrandizement rather than to glorify God. It is even grievous to my spirit when I see and experience this abuse, and I want no part of this type of spiritual exploitation. The reality of this experience is much different than what is portrayed by so many people - but it took me many years to understand this. The Holy Spirit is the true teacher of Christ, and this is the most important reason to receive this baptism, for without it you will be taught of man and never venture out into the deep waters of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit will take what is Christ and "show it unto you" - this is the primary purpose of the in-filling of the Holy Spirit. Yet there are many other attributes to this experience as well. I am very thankful for this reality in my life - it has been very important in many ways, and still is.