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[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Once enlightenment has occurred the one realising the Truth that One is One with God then saving is not necessary.

if enlightenment is as i think a powerful spirit possession

then that spirit will feel like God to the enlightened


salvation is also some sort of spirit possession

since it is the Holy spirit who will dwell within us


see how spirits really run this show ; )

Posted by greybeard (here)
Again Jesus said He is One with the Father and we can do the same.

actually Jesus said we can do the same if we receive His spirit

Without splitting hairs Red, Jesus is God and who is to say that the enlightened have not realised the spirit of God.
They teach oneness with God and that God is Love cant see the possessed teaching God is love--- possessed are very disturbed souls.

Yes there have been Indian sages who claimed enlightenment and made a fortune out of genuine seekers of Truth.
Same can be said of some professing to be of Christ or any religion.

To my mind God does not have enemies--- yes enemies of Truth but God no doubt just smiles as he has infinite power beyond comprehension.
To have an enemy there must be the thought that some other can do you harm--- Nothing can harm God.

with Love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
But I have seen so many abuses of this gift throughout the years since then, and I think it is these abuses that grieve the Holy Spirit - people that use this gift from God for self-aggrandizement rather than to glorify God.

churches who don't glorify Jesus will bore the Holy spirit

[GCS1103]

Posted by kreagle (here)
HORIZONS,

Brother,....I too,....have especially enjoyed many of your "recent posts". You are "gifted", to say the least,.....and I exhort you to "keep up the excellent work"!

Your "latest" post, #1590, really caught my eye especially, in that, I too was approximately "13 years old" when I first "really heard about God"

My "really hearing about God" involved me actually "being introduced",....( I certainly didn't know it at the time),......to the "existence of the Holy Ghost!" (note: I will have to admit that at the "tender age of 13",...I was "just like" the 12 disciples of John the Baptist, in that,...."I, too, didn't know that the Holy Ghost even existed!!) (Acts 19:1-7)

I'd like to "set the tone", here,.....by sharing this passage of Scripture........

Ephesians 4:29-31
King James Version (KJV)

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:


Notice verse 30, above,......."grieve not the holy Spirit of God".

You'll notice there are no guidelines, here, as to whether it makes a difference if you are 100 yrs. old,.....75,.....50,.....35,.......or,....."just 13 yrs. old". We are simply informed to....."grieve not the holy Spirit of God"! At "all times",.....one should come to realize,....."right out of the gate, so to speak",.....that God's Spirit is to be treated with "nothing but complete reverent respect",...."always"!

As a matter-of-fact,.....the "only unpardonable sin" recorded in the Bible is,.....(you guessed it),....."blasphemy against the Holy Ghost". (Matthew 12:31)


Now let me take you back to the "story of young, kreagle,....age 13 yrs. old".


My dad, after a successful career in running a large retail chain store,.....decided to "return to his roots",.....return to Alabama,......be his own boss,.....and once again,.....take up "farming",..(only "this time" it would involve owning and operating a "dairy farm")

We always maintained a "crew of hands" at the dairy farm of, at least, 5 "men", besides my father, (that's 6), and "one" boy,....that's "me".

I will "always remember the day" when I...., age 13,.... and "David",...(one of the "crew"),....around 20 yrs. old,......were walking across the pasture in front of our dairy farm,.....and suddenly we began,....(actually "David" began),....to talk about "God". I'm not sure what brought "this particular subject" up,....but the "next thing I knew",......."David was telling me about the infilling of the Holy Ghost!!" I distinctly remember,....."listening and watching,...in awe",....as "David", a young 20 yr. old himself, spoke......"with tears in his eyes" of people in his church beginning to "speak in other tongues",.....as they were "gloriously filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost!" (remember,....this was the "first time" I had ever heard about the Holy Ghost!)


The "next thing" I would like to point out, here,....is NOT what a young 13 yr. old, kreagle,....did,........but RATHER,......what I......didn't do!!!

I,....did not,......"grieve the holy Spirit of God"!!!,.....I did not "charge God, foolishly",....I simply had enough "sense" and "reverent respect" to "keep my mouth shut",....and to "ponder these things in my heart"!

Pretty "smart" for a "13 yr. old",.....wouldn't you say?

I wish, at this point in my story, that I was able to tell and inform you all that I "immediately began to serve the Lord",....but unfortunately I did not, then,....but it would "actually be another 13 years",...."at the age of 26, before I was able to "see, and experience, for myself,.....what "David" was talking about as we both walked together across the pasture, 13 years earlier."

I have often wondered,......"what did God see,...in a young "punk like me",...age 13"?

From the time that I "heard about His Spirit",....until,......I "received His Spirit",.....13 "additional years" had passed by, in which I basically "broke every rule" that a young man could possibly break! I really believe that I, alone, wrote a "new definition to the word,......"heathen",....for I was one in "every sense of the word"!


As I said, earlier,....."I don't know what God saw in me,.....but I know what He didn't see!

He didn't see a "13 yr. old" being disrespectful to Him,.....when he didn't understand or know about the Holy Ghost.

He didn't see a "13 yr. old",....mock,....ridicule,.....or make fun of,.....His Holy Spirit,.....like a "whole lot of grown-ups do today!"


(in conclusion)


My dear, dear, friends.......

"If" you do not "understand" the "operation, and design" of the "Holy Ghost" for your life

"If" you cannot "comprehend,...now",....how God can, or would,....speak through you in "another tongue" as He gloriously fills you with His Spirit

"If" you are completely baffled about all of "this"


then......take a "hint" from a "little 13 yr. old boy" walking across a pasture......

Don't charge God,.....foolishly,....and "grieve His Holy Spirit"

Learn when to be "quiet",....."until He shows you,....somewhere down the road!"


With Great Love,......your servant,......kreagle

That was a wonderful story of 13 year of Kreagle. How lucky you are to have found God at 26. It took me many more years to realize that God loves us all, even me. When I was young, I resented God. We lived in poverty growing up (my mother, sister and myself) and I would always ask Him, "why are we so poor" or "why do we have no food for dinner tonight"? I was always requesting something from Him and not giving anything to Him. Even though I was selfish with my requests, God chose to allow me to become financially successful during my life, in my profession. I went from extreme poverty to a very comfortable life style, sharing that with my mother and sister.

Still, I didn't have a connection to God, even though he answered my prayers. It wasn't until my mother was dying of cancer in 1994 and I experienced being "filled with the Holy Spirit" that I actually realized God loved me too and gave me peace during the last few weeks of my mother's life. I describe it as a literal filling up of love and peace inside my soul. It allowed me to cope with taking care of my mother in my house where she eventually passed away. Without that Holy Spirit, I don't think I would have made it through this time.

I had a dream years later of a man proclaiming himself to be God but he was a false God. He possessed powers, but they were limited and I knew he was part of the delusion many will live through. Suddenly I was on a horse in the sky and the clouds parted and Jesus came through the clouds with thousands of horses being ridden by people. He had returned, as promised. The dream was so real that I actually remember hugging my horse and feeling love for him. I think that God will be returning as promised and I can't wait until then.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Without splitting hairs Red, Jesus is God and who is to say that the enlightened have not realised the spirit of God.

they say it themselves

they teach different doctrines than Jesus


reincarnation instead of resurrection

karma instead of God's justice


they don't tell the importance of trust in Jesus and baptism in His name

so they give themselves away so to say ; )

Posted by greybeard (here)
They teach oneness with God and that God is Love cant see the possessed teaching God is love--- possessed are very disturbed souls.

no not all spirits are lowlives

some are sweet and subtle

but they fall short of God

when they want His glory

pretending to be God

Posted by greybeard (here)
To my mind God does not have enemies--- yes enemies of Truth but God no doubt just smiles as he has infinite power beyond comprehension.
To have an enemy there must be the thought that some other can do you harm--- Nothing can harm God.

of course God is above every enemy

but we are not

[truthseekerdan]

Desire little and fear nothing. Work for the good of the whole. Everything we know is within us. Everything we are is within us. Everything we will be is within us. All that awaits us is within us right now in the present moment.

On the other hand, a dominant ego creates the illusion of fear or guilt. The mind does not create fear or guilt. A dominant ego produces the illusion of separation. The illusion of separation produces fear or guilt. When our mind believes something, it has made it true for us alone. A dominant ego cannot accept truth because it does not know truth. If truth is known, a dominant ego cannot exist.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uxTc_bpW0FA

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[RedeZra]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
I had a dream years later of a man proclaiming himself to be God but he was a false God. He possessed powers, but they were limited and I knew he was part of the delusion many will live through.

not only will many fall for a little spiritual power

many have been tricked by some spiritual magic

[RedeZra]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Desire little and fear nothing. Work for the good of the whole. Everything we know is within us. Everything we are is within us. Everything we will be is within us. All that awaits us is within us right now in the present moment.

On the other hand, a dominant ego creates the illusion of fear or guilt. The mind does not create fear or guilt. A dominant ego produces the illusion of separation. The illusion of separation produces fear or guilt. When our mind believes something, it has made it true for us alone. A dominant ego cannot accept truth because it does not know truth. If truth is known, a dominant ego cannot exist.

dear Dan


this is Oprah spirituality

or cliches upon cliches


did she not deny Christ ?

[ulli]

Wow, Red Ezra...your logic is revealing your intent to hit below the belt.

Let's try this one to compare:

Your name sounds like Red Ripper.

Was he not a famous serial killer?

( )

[RedeZra]

God is not going to not look after us

and give a helping hand behind the scenes

just because we don't trust Jesus


please God don't have an ego problem


but there will come a time

and the time is here


when Jesus will return in Person

and end evil



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Posted by ulli (here)
Wow, Red Ezra...your logic is revealing your intent to hit below the belt.

Let's try this one to compare:

Your name sounds like Red Ripper.

Was he not a famous serial killer?

( )

so what is hitting below the belt in your opinion ?

[RedeZra]

to deny Christ is to deny God


but Jesus doesn't mind

as long as we don't break His laws


then we got problems

[ulli]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
God is not going to not look after us

and give a helping hand behind the scenes

just because we don't trust Jesus


please God don't have an ego problem


but there will come a time

and the time is here


when Jesus will return in Person

and end evil



¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by ulli (here)
Wow, Red Ezra...your logic is revealing your intent to hit below the belt.

Let's try this one to compare:

Your name sounds like Red Ripper.

Was he not a famous serial killer?

( )

so what is hitting below the belt in your opinion ?

The intent to use all kinds of means to disable an opponent.

Which should not be something that enters religious debate, in my view.
If you were truly obedient to Jesus you would use a different approach.
Anyway, my issue is with religious zealots, and I know I'm not the only one. The Bible can be used to rationalize all kinds of acts, including shedding the blood of homosexuals.

Most of the people on Avalon had bad experiences with religious fanatics,
so if you don't want to do your cause a disservice you ought to watch out for that splinter.

But I'm sure this has been pointed out to you by others before me,
so I won't waste any more of my time here.
Carry on and do your thing.

[RedeZra]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
so what is hitting below the belt in your opinion ?

The intent to use all kinds of means to disable an opponent.

i voice a concern when a thread about the Bible is flooded with everything else but the Bible

Posted by ulli (here)
If you were truly obedient to Jesus you would use a different approach.

no i wouldn't ; )

Posted by ulli (here)
Anyway, my issue is with religious zealots, and I know I'm not the only one. The Bible can be used to rationalize all kinds of acts, including shedding the blood of homosexuals.

it is true that the Bible do not condone homosexuality nor abortion and more

but that is not the point of this thread


if only people gave God a chance

then He can help heal fix and forgive everything

as that is a job of Jesus


besides the Bible states that it is Christians who will be persecuted and put to death by the Antichrist

so if you value your lives then you don't want to be Christians

but if you want eternal lives then you must live and die like Jesus

[RedeZra]

it seems to me some might think


that a meeting impartation or infusion with the Holy spirit

give them an infallible understanding of the Word of God


that is not so


as a Body of God we each receive a piece of the puzzle

and we will not know the whole story

until the very end


so humble opinions all around ; )

[RedeZra]

rest assured

and do not doubt

us and the angels



shall surely answer to Jesus

[Billy]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

i voice a concern when a thread about the Bible is flooded with everything else but the Bible

What goes around comes around Red, Are you experiencing a taste of your own medicine as they say.
And whatever happened to this comment you posted a few weeks ago.

Posted by RedeZra (here)

we got a lot of denominations based on the Bible so i don't think we need any more confusion in the mix

besides it is not about the Bible

but Jesus Christ the Living God


it doesn't help us if the Bible is true or not

it's all about relationship with God

Can i advise that you return to basics and turn away from threatning others with fear based hell and damnation.

Do unto others as you would like to be done to self.

Do not judge unless you be judged.

Love has no end.

it is very simple.

peace

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by kreagle (here)

Worshipping anyone or anything doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Worship of any kind is the evidence of a complete ignorance.

Other than this,.....we've already covered the "differences" we each share on the subject of "worship",....in the Bible. Your statements, regarding this, were pretty harsh,....and I would think that someone with your "background" would have,...and exercise,....a little more restraint and respect concerning this. Just because you've decided "it's not for you",......doesn't give you the "right" to "throw it to the ground and trample all over it"! It is HOLY to me,......and I promise you,....it's HOLY to God!!

"Respect" is a two-way street, my friend!



Your friend and servant,.........kreagle

Dear friend Kreagle, taking someones words out of the context and labeling them as "harsh or disrespectful" are 'symptoms' of a complex ego and can block one from understanding the source of any fundamental truth, including our love of life and essential nature.

ignorance

lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you or anyone else here wants to ignore the mountains of evidence, then go ahead -- that's "free will".

"Who looks outside dreams; Who looks inside, awakens." ~ Carl Jung

[greybeard]

Honestly Red it sounds like you got brain washed. If you dont agree with something posted regarding spirituality then you say it must be the work of the devil.
In fact i would seem that to you that all spirituality is of the devil--- only the Bible is valid by your way of it
I have heard my friends who became born again say that often--- they seemed to fear the devil more than they loved God
I dont think of the Devil though he is clever---- When focused on God the devil should not enter your mind I mean that generally and literally.
I know Jesus had to educate about the Devil but I think most of His time was spent talking of God.
I miss your poetry on the enlightenment thread.
Anyway you are right that if you love God/Jesus you are safe.

Love Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

i voice a concern when a thread about the Bible is flooded with everything else but the Bible

What goes around comes around Red, Are you experiencing a taste of your own medicine as they say.

what is that supposed to mean ?


maybe you are saying i am flooding non Biblical threads with the Bible

but i don't

just a couple of Bible verses here and there

and an occasional casual mention of Christ ; )

Posted by RedeZra (here)

we got a lot of denominations based on the Bible so i don't think we need any more confusion in the mix

besides it is not about the Bible

but Jesus Christ the Living God


it doesn't help us if the Bible is true or not

it's all about relationship with God

why think the Word of God got His words wrong in His book ?


but it was not the Bible that was crucified

so bible knowledge won't save us from sin

Posted by billyji (here)
Can i advise that you return to basics and turn away from threatning others with fear based hell and damnation.

hell and damnation are mentioned in the Bible

so i would not give an accurate account from the Book

if i did not bring it up once in a while


in this Bible thread ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Honestly Red it sounds like you got brain washed. If you dont agree with something posted regarding spirituality then you say it must be the work of the devil.

then Chris please explain to me


why the sages speak of many lifetimes through reincarnation

while the saints speak of one life before resurrection


surely you can't mean they both got it right ?

[HORIZONS]

hell and damnation are mentioned in the Bible

so i would not give an accurate account from the Book

if i did not bring it up once in a while


in this Bible thread ; )

Have you ever studied about HELL? or do just accept the orthodox view of hell? And then pound people over the head with it. "It is the goodness of God that leads a person to repentance" not the fear of endless torment.

Here is a link to a free pdf book I am reading, and considering, as I have studied on this topic before and am continuing to "test all things, and hold on to what is true" concerning the Good News of God. I challenge you to read it, and then come back here and have a more informed discussion on hell and damnation. Many of the teachings in Christianity have been manipulated into bogus doctrines of man, and as students of the scriptures we are to search out what is true and what is false, because reading and believing just the "letter of the word" will lead you into a ditch - it is the Spirit of the Word where the Life is found. Harsh judgement and condemnation does not help anyone find the truth as it is in Christ!

Raising Hell
Christianity's most controversial doctrine put under fire!
By Julie Ferwerda
http://www.raisinghellbook.com/#wrap


Have you ever wondered...do earthly parents love their children more than God loves us? Does God ask you to forgive your enemies—as many times as necessary—when He is not willing to do the same? Is being punished forever for sins committed in a short lifetime really a demonstration of justice? Does everybody get the same fair chance to believe in Jesus before they die? Most of all, if hell is mankind's worst possible fate, and if God is truly loving, then...

- Why does He fail to mention hell in Genesis as the price for sin?
- Why doesn't the Old Testament ever speak of hell?
- Why does Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, never once mention hell?
- Why was hell not part of early Church established doctrine?

Dare to question. What have you got to lose? If you've ever had doubts or questions about the justification for eternal torment, Raising Hell will open your eyes to a radical new look at God's love for all mankind—and what the Good News is really about. Picking up where Rob Bell and others leave off, Julie Ferwerda offers compelling evidence as to why she now believes the doctrine of eternal torment is the biggest deception of the modern Church.