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    Sometimes I wonder if it was just some sort an evolution of light and conciousness that somehow created the souls and the souls learned to come down into the dencer dimensions and ended up creating this universe and that maybe there was no god behind it. Or was it a god that created the souls and he makes us come to earth and be born here for whatever reason. Should I be afraid of god.

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    It depends on how you define God.

    No, you never should be afraid of God. God is love.
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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    All things are possible with God.

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    Quote Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
    Should I be afraid of god.
    I'd be wary of the one depicted in the Old Testament anyway, maybe even sleep with a dog by my side.

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    Should I be afraid of god.
    I'd be wary of the one depicted in the Old Testament anyway, maybe even sleep with a dog by my side.
    You could be like Moses' wife Zipporah and fling a foreskin in his path when he comes to murder you. Can't make that kind of stuff up and still expect to be taken seriously. Oh wait, millions of Americans do.

    Moral of this story: Always keep a few foreskins handy if you intend to piss off god.

    Now we see the true value of circumcision.....Ammunition. God-bane
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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?
    Need a few legal tips?

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?
    I'm sort of attached to it.....


    I think the modern "god" schism is the typical CO-INTEL-PRO approach, "they" (Archonic energy, ED's, demons... label it what you will) saw something that was very effective and seemingly important to persona growth, Co-oped it and turned it into their own tool.

    what hasn't this been done to? Ron Paul anyone? need more examples?
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

    Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

    Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.
    So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.
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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    great threat/d!

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

    If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?

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    In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

    Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.
    So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

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    God separated himself into little pieces and gave them to us so that we could evolve back towards him after going through the refinement process. He did this out of loneliness and the desire to share unconditional love with other Godlike creatures. That makes ALL of us Co-Creators and a vested part of the whole business of existence. Your consciousness is eternal and indestructible. YOU cannot be erased from the Akash, the Book of Life, the great Hall of Records, ever!

    I look at it this way: There was a reason why the ancient myths depicted the sun, moon, planets and stars as "Gods". It seems that each galaxy is a sentient being that is evolving. It also appears that they are evolved more towards the extremities of their "arms" than they are nearer the middle, but the programming data for all life that forms and evolves in it emanates from the center, or black hole. This black hole is the portal to higher dimensions where the "big guy" resides. But when we're talking about the Prime Source, he cannot materialize in matter, he needs to go through a sort of step-down transformer referred to in the Bible as Wisdom, Sophia, or the Master Worker. This would be the Logos.

    Rather than envision God as an individual, it helped me immensely to study metaphysics, particular things like the Kabbalistic Tree Of Life, to get the sense of how the material world results at the lowest end of the vast array of vibrational frequencies that ultimately lead up to "God".

    The good news is as Star Seed said, God is Love. No need to be afraid of Love, unless you're consciously choosing the negative path. Thankfully, Love is what makes these sentient galaxies grow and thrive and function and evolve and this determines that Love always wins out in the end. As you know, there are trillions of galaxies that we know of. There could be trillions more. And then, there may be untold numbers of galaxies in higher dimensions, and there is no limit to how many dimensions there could be. Each one of them is at a different stage in its evolution. It appears that spirits like ourselves choose where we will go according to how that world needs us and we need it, for soul growth. And to top it all off, each galaxy is made of different building blocks, has different scientific principles and as a result the laws of physics may vary from place to place. For instance, in another galaxy, you may see something far different from the Fibonacci sequence utilizing an entirely different system of mathematics.

    In summary, I think we make a mistake when we try to compartmentalize God. God is everything and anything and the sum of all possibilities. Pythagoras discovered God in Mathematics and Music. Unfortunately, there's no other way to commune directly with the hierarchies above us until we achieve Gnosis.

    I happen to be in the middle of a two-part article about how "God" comes into the material world that I'm finding resonates very well with my intuition.....

    The Great Chain of Being

    http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Th...2218786%29.htm
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)

    You could be like Moses' wife Zipporah and fling a foreskin in his path when he comes to murder you. Can't make that kind of stuff up and still expect to be taken seriously. Oh wait, millions of Americans do.

    Moral of this story: Always keep a few foreskins handy if you intend to piss off god.

    Now we see the true value of circumcision.....Ammunition. God-bane

    Got a good belly laugh there,with thanks.

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    OK. To honor this thread properly. No god? The god concept is seriously messed up on this planet. The Abrahamic religions are all Sumerian Annunaki constructs conflated with a some very touching and valid mystical impressions, IMO. The result is a system that infects more than it instructs.

    I clearly perceive an Intelligence that provides a Source and lattice for consciousness to unfold and play. Learning and playing are the same thing when all is right.

    So the god most of us have been raised with is as likable as a bank CEO and just a psychopathic.

    The Afterlife and the Beforelife are the native environment of our greater consciousness. This Planet, Gaia, is on her own learning/playing path. Once we join Her in stabilizing our collective vision things will take on a more pleasing and enriching way of being. Gaia, is local and an emanation from a greater Whole. She has peers in this cosmos. We are destined to be one of them, in some form.

    My conclusion is there is no objectively real biblical god with cosmic powers, but there is an All That Is. It demands nothing. Our demands are best sourced from within, but from our higher nature. Parasitic energies abound and confound. By their fruits you will know them, if you know thyself.


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    Quote Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
    Sometimes I wonder if it was just some sort an evolution of light and conciousness that somehow created the souls and the souls learned to come down into the dencer dimensions and ended up creating this universe and that maybe there was no god behind it. Or was it a god that created the souls and he makes us come to earth and be born here for whatever reason. Should I be afraid of god.
    As much as I enjoy pondering answers to questions like that they are probably really unimportant and too deep for the mind?
    We are all here having this experience for a reason, I wouldn’t be afraid of God but I would be mindful of Universal Laws or Karma and how one conducts one’s life.
    Leave no stone unturned...

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    Karma, another Archontic construct distorted so that we won't kill the psychopaths without fearing for our souls. Now, that is some seriously potent mind-fark.

    There is a validity to a karmic concept, IMO. The Archons have distorted it to their own benefit. By their logic, anti-biotics would incur karma, since they are pathogens and want us to believe that applying proper genetic and planetary hygiene would put our future lives in peril.

    They are good at confusion, or we are simple. What we are not, is psychopathic killers like them. They play that to the fullest and tell us we would be just like them if we were in their positions.

    Did I say they are good at this stuff?
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    Karma, another Archontic construct distorted so that we won't kill the psychopaths without fearing for our souls. Now, that is some seriously potent mind-fark.

    There is a validity to a karmic concept, IMO. The Archons have distorted it to their own benefit. By their logic, anti-biotics would incur karma, since they are pathogens and want us to believe that applying proper genetic and planetary hygiene would put our future lives in peril.
    I think you would enjoy this excerpt from the link I posted up there^

    Quote Here is wisdom: there is no such thing as karmic reincarnation. Reincarnation is about free choice and free will. We, not karma, determine our fate. There is no "force" seeking to punish us and drag us into lower life forms. Everyone chooses what to become back as. An irrational person would never choose to come back as a genius for the simple reason that the thought would never occur to him: such people are not attracted by the idea of being wise. Imagine the sort of person who watchesX-FactororAmerican Idoldeciding what they would like to reincarnate as. They will be eager to come back as a celebrity or a rich person - because that's where their mentality lies. These people would never want to come back as mathematicians, philosophers, scientists or theologians because they find all of these things utterly boring.

    Until they start to wise up they will never acquire the mental tools necessary to achieve enlightenment. No one, other than themselves, denied them the tools. It was their own choice, no one imposed it on them, and certainly not some mystery force called karma. The idea of karmic reincarnation is applicable only if karma if defined as a law of consequence with regard to CHOICE rather than ACTION. In conventional karmic theory, bad action will have a consequence of a reincarnational DESCENT. In more sophisticated karmic theory, irrational choices lead most often to reincarnational repetition and magnification. Stupid people make stupid choices. That's why they're stupid. They bring their own karma upon themselves by virtue of their character, not their morality. "Character is fate", said Heraclitus and that is the true doctrine of karma. It is your OWN CHARACTER that guides you through the process of reincarnation, not your previous deeds. A bad person doesn't come back at a lower level; a bad person typically comes back at a higher level where they can express their badness even more efficiently.

    In conventional karmic theory, the Old World Order with all of their success, wealth and power are seemingly being rewarded for their merit in prior existences. In the Heraclitean karmic theory, the members of the Old World Order are people of a character that would do absolutely anything for earthly success, wealth and power. They crave it. They lust after it. They want it again and again. They will trample over anyone to get it. These people were not meritorious in the past - they were the absolute opposite. They have always been greedy, selfish, self-interested narcissists, happy to screw over anyone who gets in their way. They are MONSTERS. They are the least enlightened people on earth.

    People bedazzled by earthly pleasures will keep coming back in ways in which they can enjoy those pleasures. They will never turn their sights towards higher ends. The Old World Order are completely consumed by the desire for personal pleasure, power, riches and glory. They keep repeating the same pattern. They never learn. They never gaze towards the heavens. They don't think they need to - because they have created their personal heaven on earth. In psychological terms, these people have a psyche driven by the Id. They are almost bestial.

    Is an extremely rich and successful person enjoying good or bad karma? According to conventional karmic theory he is being rewarded for his good deeds in past lives. In our version, he is being neither rewarded nor punished - he is choosing exactly the life he desires according to his character. But precisely because of those choices, he is making it harder and harder for himself ever to attain gnosis. In that respect, he is someone to be pitied. He remains forever in the orbit of Satan rather than rising towards the divine light. The Old World Order and their like are the last ones in existence who will "become God". They will be there with Satan at the very end…the final obstacle to cosmic completion.

    The idea that rich people are being karmically "rewarded" is obscene and must be demolished if we are ever to have a better world. If it is karmic justice that the rich are rich and the poor poor then we might as well all accept our lot in life. It is exactly because of this disgusting idea that the Eastern religions of Enlightenment have never achieved a better and nobler world than the West. Eastern religions preach the NECESSITY and MORALITY of differences in wealth and power. They preach absolute passivity towards Power. Thus, even though they have come at the problem from an entirely different perspective, they have ended up with a set of religious beliefs that are entirely compatible with rule by a rich Elite - the Old World Order. Thus are they far from enlightenment.

    The Eastern religions, although they are far wiser than Abrahamism, have resulted in nothing of worth. Why? Because of the Satanic idea of moral karma. This is one of the most false and evil teachings ever foisted on the human race.

    Everything is about choice, not about inevitable moral cause and effect. Here is wisdom: the evil, more often than not, are REWARDED, NOT PUNISHED for their wickedness. The good, more often than not, are PENALISED FOR THEIR GOODNESS. Here is wisdom - "KARMA" WORKS IN REVERSE. Good people acquire "bad karma" (i.e. their virtue brings them pain) and bad people "good karma" (i.e. their wickedness is rewarded). "Greed is good", is the true statement of karma. Money goes to money. The rich keep getting richer. The powerful keep getting more powerful. They can behave as wickedly as they like and they are NEVER punished. They own the courts, they own the system of justice, they shape the world in their image, they create dynastic families that rule the world in perpetuity. There is nothing accidental about any of it. It is planned. It is a CONSPIRACY against the rest of the human race, and all the decent people of the world must put a stop to this diabolical plot.

    Anyone who wants a better world has to be utterly opposed to any type of karmic thinking. People choose their "fate", and because most people are not very bright they make poor choices. What could be more logical or straightforward? There are no karmic mysteries. There is no karmic force surrounding us and pulling our strings. We are free agents making free choices. Our problem is that we all too often choose what we want rather than what we need. We make poor, shortsighted and counter-productive choices. If we were all far smarter, we would all make far better choices. EDUCATION is the key to the future. Everyone needs to learn how to make smart choices.

    All around us, we see good and decent people being shafted and the greedy and unpleasant people who do the shafting getting wealthier and wealthier, more and more powerful. "Nice guys" always finish second. How can anyone subscribe to a mysterious force called karma that is supposedly punishing the wicked and rewarding the righteous if the plain evidence of our world is that the opposite is true? You would need to be mad to believe in karma. It is comprehensively refuted by all the available and self-evident facts. Karma is the single concept that has ruined the East. It has been a deadly toxin to the religions of enlightenment. It has brought the opposite: endarkenment.

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    Well the afterlife just wouldn't be much fun without something to aim for.

    God might not be anything like you'd think, but there is a God. Where do you think love comes from?

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    Default Re: Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

    The Creator created all that is. we are part of all that is and at one with the creator. Humanity created what we term as Gods. They are beings who are also part of all that is. Some of them have such huge Ego's that they eventually believed in what we made them.

    There are no Gods, There is a supreme creator which is Divine in nature and loves all that is.
    there is no need to fear. Be like the creator and love all that is without fear. That includes yourself.

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    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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