Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

He will slip and fall?

Banana daiquiris?

[Bill Ryan]

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Is it possible that there is no god but still an afterlife?

Yep!

[donk]

I think separating the creator from the creation (as well as how limiting our language is) is the root of fear of "god/God".

All the gods, all life, all death, all afterlife...is all creator, is all creation, and there's nothing to fear.....

....but fear is part of creation too!! So try not fear "fear". Can't have love without it

[another bob]

I have a good Friend who has done a lot of travelling in the higher frequencies, and gained an interesting perspective as a result. He recently shared these notes in regard to some of the matters being considered here and elsewhere on the Forum regarding Karma and such:


Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no. It's not a matter of being held accountable, as much as remembering who we are, and getting our head screwed on straight before we are again able to wield our true power as spirits of immense power.

Part of that process, depends on the rules of the game, and that is, that no one can tell you who and what you are, until you yourself seek assistance. Forgetting who we are, and getting trapped into thinking that we are just mortal human beings, that must be "Good" in order to be "Saved", is all just part of the game that we must figure out and overcome. We don't need saving, we just need remembering.

It's really all just manmade lies designed to trap us in the Astral Realms when we die, so that we will have to re-incarnate back into the 3-D physical, where The Powers That Be (who hold dominion over this Earth realm) can continue to use us as their slave labor. Even when we return to the Astral Realms, if we don't know that we can simply ask to go home, we don't. And no one there can tell you. And if we don't learn that, here in the physical, we just continue to be trapped, and keep coming back for more fun and games, until we do learn to ask when we cross over into the Astral. And chances are pretty slim, that when some dies, that they will ask to go home. They will just be tickled to death that they made it to Heaven.

When we go home to the realm of Source we do not have that problem.


Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking. They were not smart enough to get past the lies that they were raised with, and never figured out that it was all lies, because their parents didn't know, and their friends and co-workers, and Pastors, Preachers, and Priests, didn't know. Unless one steps outside the box, and learns to think for themself, they will not find their way to their Higher Self/Source. The rest is just man made B/S.


Why don't the evil elite go to hell? Simple... because they know they don't have to.

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game. Those who cross into the Astral, believing that they might go to hell because they haven't been "Good", will indeed go to such "places", simply by the nature of their beliefs, which grant such realms a virtual reality. When one learns eventually how the game is played, they can go straight to Higher Self/Source, when they cross over into the Astral.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go. Hell is for people that have been "Hoodwinked" into winding up there. And the Evil Elite just keep reincarnating back into the Elite community, and teaching people that they must go to hell if they are not "good" and have not been "saved". And Source is just sitting there in utter amazement, that his children can be so gullible for so long.

I am in utter amazement that nobody seems to be taking the bait on NDE's. The absolutely wide and varied spectrum of people having NDE's is a heads up clue, that there may be much more to this life, than we are being taught. But... most just say... oh! that's interesting, and that's as far as they get. People are being shown that it is possible to go into the Astral Realms, and come back, without dying, and yet they just sit here, and do nothing about it. The stories of the NDE'rs is so varied, because they are only shown that which their belief system can cope with. And when NDE'rs die, they go to whatever they were shown, because that is now what they believe is waiting for them.


Good or bad, right or wrong, mean and evil or loving and compassionate:

If there is no right or wrong, and this is all just experience, then what's the point of it all? Source prefers us to be good, but He does not punish us if we are not. That is all man made B/S to control the sleeping. It is just experience in that regard. However, He wants us to experience both, so that we will understand the difference, because we had become rather complacent being nothing but good all the time, and it was not appreciated as well as when people have a choice, as to how they treat one another.

To experience unconditional love is so much better than trying to live with someone who is constantly contentious toward us. Treating others, as we would like to be treated, is far better than the opposite. It's really just that simple. There is no right or wrong way. We're here to learn to love unconditionally, no matter what someone does to us. And it is Religion that has held us back. That is Religion's sole purpose: to keep us fighting over who's right and who's wrong, and so they will not let us just be ourself, and love all, as we love ourself.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Since we don´t actually know if there´s a god, just like we don´t actually know what happens after we die, I think it´s quite possible to exist a god without afterlife or to exist an afterlife without a god.

The nice thing about not knowing is that it makes anything possible.

Raf.

[Marsila]

Hi Amystic3434, there are more than 7 billion people on Earth at the moment, so 7 billion different 'answers' and 'opinions' to your question.

atm 0.000000000141713 of these "humans" thinks that yes maybe there is as they would like to believe there is something bigger and better and kinder and with a bigger 'heart' than they could even begin to imagine out there. They also think the real 'source' or whatever others chose to call it, has no direct relation to the one religious preachers and people with an agenda keep terrifying people with, to the point that they loathe anything associated with whoever that entity is. but who knows?

But it does not matter, the answer to that question for you, is what do you think? even if it contradicts with what i wrote, it is a truth for you, as it is the answer that matches with your life story, and so the right one for you.

that decimal point number is just 1 divided by the number of the human population at that second according to a world population meter, because it is only what i feel and not a conclusive thing which could be proven or imposed on the other more than 7 billion humans wondering about that question for a big deal of their lives to.

[Eram]

Posted by another bob (here)

Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no.

Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking.

...

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.

There is no karma? (It always felt fishy to me )
So... when we cross over, we can just ask to go back to source/God/Godess/it/Creator?
We can just ask to step out of the incarnation cycle?

wow!!

I wonder if other people feel the magnitude 12 earthquake coming of of this...

[another bob]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)

Posted by another bob (here)

Is there an accounting for misdeeds, ie Karmic consequence?

The short answer would be no.

Regarding souls who end up in hellish realms after death:

I must address this sufficiently as I feel that I have not. They went there because of their own stinking thinking.

...

OK, this is where it gets "tricky". Religion was designed to trap us from going home, somewhere in the Astral Realms, or even hellish realms, and then to reincarnate back here, and to repeat this cycle over and over again, at least until we figure out the game.

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.

There is no karma? (It always felt fishy to me )
So... when we cross over, we can just ask to go back to source/God/Godess/it/Creator?
We can just ask to step out of the incarnation cycle?

wow!!

I wonder if other people feel the magnitude 12 earthquake coming of of this...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8szDkpcsM

[another bob]

Remember, We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and when we cross over, we are in complete control of what we do, and where we go.



http://www.pbase.com/1heart/youll_decide

[9eagle9]

Penal Colada.

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Don't you try to sweet talk me, I believe you as far as I could hurl your foreskin.

If God is threatened by a foreskin what happens if you throw the entire...ahem...banana at Him?

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
In that case I'd toss my nipples at God.

Here I thought I was avoiding the 'penal' system.

So, you take god for a sucker. Hmm, very interesting stuff. Must keep abreast of the developments in this thread. You could get penalized for these remarks.

He will slip and fall?

Banana daiquiris?

[Eram]

Posted by another bob (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8szDkpcsM

What she says feels good.
Ever since I read about God and unconditional love and our gift of free will in the books from Neal D. Walsch, I couldn't make sense out of the Karma stories.
Just could not fit them together.

[Finefeather]

The video above is correct. (I don't want to re post it again)
Karma ONLY manifests in the physical realm.
You choose your life, with the help and guidance of higher beings to start off with, as you grow you have more input into your choice, this is ONLY if you are a young soul, but it is ALWAYS your choice.
Karma is a term which comes from eastern wisdom and is completely misunderstood by many. Lets take a really simple example:

Lets imagine you are really dumb.
When you place your hand on a hot stove...(cause).
Karma is the burn that takes place because of your ignorance...(effect).
Overcoming Karma is simply to not touch the hot stove.
Wisdom is knowing you must not touch the hot stove.
Instinct is your automatic karma avoider.
As we become wiser, by having more knowledge from our life experiences, we cause less and less karma in each life because the wisdom we have gained becomes the instinct of tomorrow.
Karma creates nothing and does not design.

Reincarnation is choosing a life in which you can gain the knowledge, hence the wisdom, to prevent karma in your life. This is exactly what spirituality is, and exactly our goal. To live a life free of making wrong choices.
You are the cause of your karma because of your ignorance, karma has nothing to do with it, karma is just another word for the effect a wrong action has on you.
Imagine all the wrong choices we have made to get us into the state we are in today.

If you understand this law of the universe properly, and it may take a while, you will realise and come to know that the universe is neutral and it is our actions that cause the conflicts we encounter in life. The universe is filled with love, why are we fighting it?
Love to all

[9eagle9]

Karma amounts to the unresolved issues, and trauma we drag around through other lives. I personally don't buy into the idea we are choosing to come here to work out some experience that needs to work out because if we are immortal unimpeded spirits between lives we could more easily and smartly deal with that sort of thing while we are not in physical form. Being in a physical illusion existence poses a certain amount of challenge to working out our crap.

But each incarnation here is an opportunity to work your **** out, especially if one is experiencing repeated patterns of undesirable events. There's your symptom, then deal with it. You resolve one issue and then you uncover several more .

If you've married your mother five times in this lifetime chances are you started that 'walking in circles' sort of pattern in another life time.

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Lets imagine you are really dumb.

We don't have to imagine that....we are really dumb..

[WanderingRogue]

If karma teaches our instincts through some type of spiritual, cosmic or genetic memory, it would seem that we could get through life without burning our hands on hot things. I have 5 children, I am the oldest of 4 children, I am the oldest of 30+ grandchildren....all have burned their hand at one point or another on something that is obviously hot and to be avoided....even if they were not really dumb. I know this was meant as a simple explanation, however, it would seem logical to conclude that these simple things would have been the first karmic instincts to become inherent in most. Yet, the opposite is true. Most will touch a hot thing and get burned.

I for one cannot subscribe to karma in the way it is understood by any explanation I have come across. If it were a cosmic truth, I think it would be naturally fitting to us and we would easily adopt the belief, it would feel right in that place within us that settles between the mind, emotions, spirituality, and the physical body....but it doesn't. It requires blind faith or twisted logic to understand.

I do not think that the majority of all humans on this planet have an accurate view of God either. I do not think of God as most would though. Arguments over whether God is a he or a she, or called this or called that is of little importance with regards to what, or who God is. In fact calling God by the title God is a bit strange. That term has been muddied up pretty good in our language at least...thanks to religions that have lost sight of the purpose of spirituality and use religion in the name of God(s) to control masses through fear and shame...and that I think causes people to either automatically make a positive or negative opinion about any discussion about God. For example, I personally have a very common name and I find that all to often people have preconceived ideas of who I might be simply because they have known others with the same name. My gender, basic personality traits, and heritage are among the things assumed. These things in no way define who I really am, and people dont mean to be judgmental, but their fear tells them to be, so I find that I have been liked or disliked based on nothing other than my name. I even changed my name to something quite different from anyone else that I had ever known, and the difference was amazing...people loved the name and so they loved me....or better yet, what they thought they knew about me. But i knew. The same is true I think for God, or whatever name one associates with God. Your past experience will taint your view, even if it turns out that your past experience was based on a lie or upon your own expectations with the name or title for God stamped upon it.

I think I'm bordering upon rambling, and I am sure I will have a better opportunity to share my person perception of "God" (and i use that term loosly) at another time. But, as to the original question posed, I think that a higher life form does exist and that there is much more to our individual being than our physical body. I don't think that belief is a requirement. God exists as a part of natural order, so whatever happens after death happens regardless of your belief. Just like the burn from the hot thing. As to what actually happens, not sure yet, but I think it's probably pretty good. Of course, this is just my current opinion, and time and experience is likely going to change my understanding.

[9eagle9]

I experience God as a non conscious energy that works through me because I am part of that energy. I call it God for conversational sakes but view it as Creation or Source or Creation Matrix energy. I can't align with that energy in a conscious way because our consciousness, various aspects of our psyche are not of that energy. If we become consciousness dominated as we are now we can't align with that energy. People who speak of nothing but 'consciousness' expansion ....I wince when I hear that.

Counsciouness is mostly composed of alienation.

I could go on and attempt to describe my witnessing of creation matrix but it would simply be a consciouness representation. It's somethign that is shown , not told. Experienced, not witnessed, allowed to be expressed in whatever fashion it expresses as without judgement.

Humility would actually be allowing creation to move through you without judging it.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm in a bit of a legal bind...can I borrow your foreskin?

One of the best posts I've heard from you in while ... but then I have a twisted sense of humour -- although clearly not the only one ... Thanks, I have sore abs now ..

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I experience God as a non conscious energy that works through me because I am part of that energy. I call it God for conversational sakes but view it as Creation or Source or Creation Matrix energy. I can't align with that energy in a conscious way because our consciousness, various aspects of our psyche are not of that energy. If we become consciousness dominated as we are now we can't align with that energy. People who speak of nothing but 'consciousness' expansion ....I wince when I hear that.

Counsciouness is mostly composed of alienation.

I could go on and attempt to describe my witnessing of creation matrix but it would simply be a consciouness representation. It's somethign that is shown , not told. Experienced, not witnessed, allowed to be expressed in whatever fashion it expresses as without judgement.

Humility would actually be allowing creation to move through you without judging it.

Amen, sister.

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders"

[David Trd1]

Is it possible??

Can you i-magi-ne it?

[Tony]

This depends on 'your' understanding.

[Elly]

It's like saying "Is it possible that there is no god but still life?". When one studies life's processes and design, it it very hard to believe that it is all just the result of chance. So, both are interlinked.

The interviewer's and the speaker's personal beliefs aside, this testimony is very telling in my opinion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bcOvWGuQTow