The Sun Of Late

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
I am quite often affected by the sunflares.. usually in an emotional way...hyper-sensitivity similar to PMS symptoms (easy to blow my fuse or over-reacting to/worrying about unpleasant situations) and often that causes great exhaustion/depression. And, yes!, as the initial short mood swing wears off, it is followed with exultation/ relief/ comprehension/ a kind of "knowing" (not always caused by my confirmational sun-related research)... enlightening or "profound" realizations often comes to mind...genial "ah ha!" moments. I have learned to go with my "instints" and keep my figurative antennae attuned to these changes within.

As to the Chandler Wobble (the seasonal tilting of the Earth's axis) : I, too, have accused the Earth/ Sun /Moon to have moved from its usual boundaries.... I'm still on the fence about it.. so many conflicting ideas and explanations out there.

One place I like to take a look ever-so-often is this:

http://hpiers.obspm.fr/

Scroll down to the bottom of the next link and you will see the last few years of wobble as well as the electromagnetic pole's deviation (notice that the graph is turned on its side relative to the first link's graph and it hasn't been updated in quite a while)... interesting stuff, to say the least.

http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/earthor/polmot/pm.html

Thanks for the links .. I wasn't even arware the Sun had this other type of wobble; very interesting - this one is clearly changing, but I'm not sure how dramatic the effects would be ... I'll have to take a closer look and give it some thought ...

[SilentFeathers]

Has any one considered all the radiation ect in the atmosphere from Fukushima possibly having an effect on how the suns rays are reaching the surface of the earth? just a thought....

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
Have we no serious amateur astronomers on the forum - who have taken actual measurements - who can confirm one way or the other if the Earth's axis of rotation has changed?

Suprisingly, and sadly, it seems we have no such members here ... I have a telescope but don't use it enough to even be considered a "backyard astronomer", let alone a serious one. I am saving up for a better scope though as mine's +25yrs old and pretty crappy. I intend to get a little more serious when I get a new one.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Has any one considered all the radiation ect in the atmosphere from Fukushima possibly having an effect on how the suns rays are reaching the surface of the earth? just a thought....

I can't really see how, and the sheer number of nukes exploded in our atmosphere in the 50's 60's and 70's I'm certain would trump the Fukishima radiation by an order of magnitude.

On the Manhattenhenge .. I cannot find any pictures or any info at all on Manhattenhenge that predates 2007. Surely this has been happening since Manhattan was built? If anyone can find some old Manhattenhenge pics to post, I would appreciate it.

[ghostrider]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
The sun down here in Brazil is becoming dangerous, really.

When I go outside at noon, I can really feel my skin burning.

Even my cactus plants, which never had problems with the sun, are getting toasted if exposed all day long.

The weather isn´t unusually hot, but the radiation is very intense.

Raf.

does it feel too hot for so early in the mornings ? where I am at 9 am it is murder outside already.

[CD7]

Ok chiming in! Today "normal" clear good day...(tuesday)

Would be nice to keep this up to see if patterns emerge among many of us throughout the rollercoaster ride!!! Lol Although i seem to be adapting to these rollercoaster rides as they do not blow me over as much as previously...provided this ride doesnt change course!

[ghostrider]

I recorded 125 degrees today at 400 pm. I work outside always have, today the sun feels like it's burning me , the energy is different , it takes the very wind out of my sails these days. I wish everyone would get a digital tempature of the outside conditions , and check them against your local yocals, it may shock you . You can usually add 10 degrees to whatever number they give out on radio or TV. Today was to be 112 in Tulsa.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by christinedream7 (here)
Ok chiming in! Today "normal" clear good day...(tuesday)

Would be nice to keep this up to see if patterns emerge among many of us throughout the rollercoaster ride!!! Lol Although i seem to be adapting to these rollercoaster rides as they do not blow me over as much as previously...provided this ride doesnt change course!

My goal has always been to adapt, same with moon cycles, so while I'm very sensitive to these things I have found a way to try to utilize whatever I'm getting. I notice with the moon cycles I swing between the masculine and feminine ... I find it odd because as the moon waxes, I move into the masculine (yet we've been taught the moon is feminine energy ... no?) until full moon then it flips. Planning and inner reflection during the feminine phase and action during the masculine.

[Mark]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Had any significant tilt of the Earth's axis occurred and "Manhattanhenge" (see post # 42 above) would have missed its date and happened on a different day (setting earlier or later since the true latitude would have changed).

I'm not sure I understand? Why would it have missed its day?

The earth revolves around the sun in 365 days or thereabouts. An axial tilt at a higher angle would not change the time it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. The planet would still be at the same location in relation to the sun on the day "manhattanhenge" would occur. What would happen is that the sun would be setting further to the south in relation to manhattan and you wouldn't see the same phenomenon occur. That is, if the earth had tilted so that the equator moved northward, if in the opposite direction, then you would see the opposite happening. The sun sets earlier or later depending upon where it is in its position in relation to the sun and the time of year, as the tilt at 23 and 1/2 keeps it relatively stable and creates an oscillating motion along the line of the plane of the ecliptic between the tropic of cancer at 23 and 1/2 degrees north and capricorn at 23 and 1/2 degrees south and thru the equatorial plane which sets the equinoxes and solstices. Other ways that would cause the sun to ''set" earlier or later include if the planet were smaller (earlier, shorter days) or larger (later, longer days) or if the earth shifted in its rotational pattern around the sun, i.e. moving closer to the sun or further away. Then you would also see a lengthening or shortening of the year, which would result in a changing day, but an axial tilt will not necessarily result in that happening.

I think what you're thinking about is longitude, as that is how the time of day is determined. Latitude has always been measured the same no matter the culture across time, from the Egyptians to the British (hence our measurement of the Prime Meridian from Greenwich, England instead of the Great Pyramids). That is why the invention of good clocks was such a key determinant in the expansion of the British Empire as well as their control of the seas and eventual domination of the world. Longitude is a horizontal measurment, proceeding east and west and is culturally determined, by the world powers of the time and this is how days are measured, where they start, where they end, what time it is. They start at the Prime Meridian, 0 degrees longitude, and end at the International Date line, 180 degrees longitude. Latitude proceeds north and south and an axial tilt would manifest northwards and southwards.

[Sidney]

To edit what I said in my last post from this morning, when I felt pretty good, as the day went on, I felt a bit melancholy and tired. HM Not sure why really, but i am also affected by full moon, which I am writing off as being part of being empathic. I feel a good nights sleep coming my way soon though. : )

[Hervé]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Had any significant tilt of the Earth's axis occurred and "Manhattanhenge" (see post # 42 above) would have missed its date and happened on a different day (setting earlier or later since the true latitude would have changed).

I'm not sure I understand? Why would it have missed its day?

The earth revolves around the sun in 365 days or thereabouts. An axial tilt at a higher angle would not change the time it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. The planet would still be at the same location in relation to the sun on the day "manhattanhenge" would occur.

[...]

All right, I'll elaborate:

What I meant by true latitude is the new angle Ecliptic/Equator that an axis tilt would imply.

That's equivalent to changing the season anywhere on Earth excepted where the rotation axis of the tilt itself intersects the equator defining the "new" Ecliptic/Equator line of intersection along with, presumably, new dates for the Equinoxes; unless, of course, the tilt and its new angle happens to occur on a solstice day and within the plane defined by Earth's rotation axis and the Sun.

However, even in that case, a tilt of earth's rotation axis would change where the "new" Tropics would be located, either lower or higher than 23026" and, with that, would change the spot where the sun sets or rises on the horizon at a specific date. Therefore, "Manhattanhenge" would occur earlier or later than the "usual" computed day.

Otherwise, correct regarding latitudes and longitudes remaining identical as these are defined from the mean position of the rotation axis' poles since a simple, pure tilt wouldn't change the relationship between rotation axis' poles and earth's crust.

[Mark]

That cannot happen in the manner you describe according to earth-sun geometry. Solstices and Equinoxes are determined by the time it takes the Earth to circumambulate the Sun not by of the tilt of the Earth. The day would remain the same. Manhattanhenge would occur on the same day, the sun would just be farther to the south or north as it moves from east to west. Everything you said about the seasons is true, but not about the date. The days would be shorter or longer as the equator would be either farther north or farther south, depending upon which direction the new tilt occurred, but the date itself would remain the same.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by starchild111 (here)
To edit what I said in my last post from this morning, when I felt pretty good, as the day went on, I felt a bit melancholy and tired. HM Not sure why really, but i am also affected by full moon, which I am writing off as being part of being empathic. I feel a good nights sleep coming my way soon though. : )

I have noticed getting to sleep has been very simple for me in the past few months. Almost like taking a handfull of Melatonin 's ...if you will. Literally knocked out at nite time. And My dreams have been different as well. Im able to remember most of them.

[Mark]

OMG, bredren, my dreams have been off the chain. I don't remember all of them, but they are alien and weird, it has become so prevalent that to remember them is a luxury these days. Whatever is going on, a lot of work is getting done on the Astral.

[Sidney]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)

Posted by starchild111 (here)
To edit what I said in my last post from this morning, when I felt pretty good, as the day went on, I felt a bit melancholy and tired. HM Not sure why really, but i am also affected by full moon, which I am writing off as being part of being empathic. I feel a good nights sleep coming my way soon though. : )

I have noticed getting to sleep has been very simple for me in the past few months. Almost like taking a handfull of Melatonin 's ...if you will. Literally knocked out at nite time. And My dreams have been different as well. Im able to remember most of them.

I have been having odd dreams too. And remembering them alot longer than usual. Usual being, 2 minutes after I wake up its gone, but now I can remember bits and pieces throughout the day and longer. My sleep patterns wobble though. I will go months being able to sleep as soon as I hit the pillow. However this last couple weeks I am back to being up half the night. Small headache this morning.I did however sleep like a baby last night.

[WhiteFeather]

I think i struck a chord perhaps. Good to know its not just me experiencing these erratic yet uplifting little slices of astral encounters.

[DarMar]

I have noticed getting to sleep has been very simple for me in the past few months. Almost like taking a handfull of Melatonin 's ...if you will. Literally knocked out at nite time. And My dreams have been different as well. Im able to remember most of them.

Me too have very same thing. In not so distant past i couldn't sleep alot at all, most usual would be that im awake for 2-3 days than go to sleep for some few hours. But in last days i sleep every day and get sleepy very fast. Also with that my dreams changed alot, even if usually i remembered them, the "new" ones are very different with direct kind of messages or getting through experiences in my dreams.
Also i connected it with the shift we are passing through and sun strength. Sun is obviously not only stronger but much different. Kind of heat it serves is different than just few months back, also through talk with older people i get same response .. when few 80 year old people tells me the same answer i get good confirmation, this sun heat is different and older people never experienced something similar before. They tho have oppinion it is global warming cr*p as from telly mind pouring but i think it has very connection in traveling of our solar system through universe and different frequency resonance.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Had any significant tilt of the Earth's axis occurred and "Manhattanhenge" (see post # 42 above) would have missed its date and happened on a different day (setting earlier or later since the true latitude would have changed).

I'm not sure I understand? Why would it have missed its day?

The earth revolves around the sun in 365 days or thereabouts. An axial tilt at a higher angle would not change the time it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. The planet would still be at the same location in relation to the sun on the day "manhattanhenge" would occur. What would happen is that the sun would be setting further to the south in relation to manhattan and you wouldn't see the same phenomenon occur. That is, if the earth had tilted so that the equator moved northward, if in the opposite direction, then you would see the opposite happening. The sun sets earlier or later depending upon where it is in its position in relation to the sun and the time of year, as the tilt at 23 and 1/2 keeps it relatively stable and creates an oscillating motion along the line of the plane of the ecliptic between the tropic of cancer at 23 and 1/2 degrees north and capricorn at 23 and 1/2 degrees south and thru the equatorial plane which sets the equinoxes and solstices. Other ways that would cause the sun to ''set" earlier or later include if the planet were smaller (earlier, shorter days) or larger (later, longer days) or if the earth shifted in its rotational pattern around the sun, i.e. moving closer to the sun or further away. Then you would also see a lengthening or shortening of the year, which would result in a changing day, but an axial tilt will not necessarily result in that happening.

I think what you're thinking about is longitude, as that is how the time of day is determined. Latitude has always been measured the same no matter the culture across time, from the Egyptians to the British (hence our measurement of the Prime Meridian from Greenwich, England instead of the Great Pyramids). That is why the invention of good clocks was such a key determinant in the expansion of the British Empire as well as their control of the seas and eventual domination of the world. Longitude is a horizontal measurment, proceeding east and west and is culturally determined, by the world powers of the time and this is how days are measured, where they start, where they end, what time it is. They start at the Prime Meridian, 0 degrees longitude, and end at the International Date line, 180 degrees longitude. Latitude proceeds north and south and an axial tilt would manifest northwards and southwards.

I started modeling all this in 3D yesterday for all to see, then thought, "nah! that's silly" --- but I see it would be useful, so I'll resume on it after work today ... Here's a render

[Mark]

Very nice! It'd be awesome to have a graphic. I considered going to look for one to make it easier to visualize but forgot when I was writing that post. When I was teaching Intro to Physical Geography courses, understanding and visualizing earth-sun geometries was one of the most difficult things for my students to pick up, and that was almost without exception for about 85% of them. Graphic depictions of the earth's revolution around the sun and its tilt, the equinoxes and solstices, the difference between lat and long and how time is related to all of that requires an ability to spatialize visually that takes a bit of effort to be able to do.

There's no shame in it at all, nor is it indicative of intelligence, just practice. Look forward to seeing your results!

[CD7]

Not sure if this sun related but its something different ive experienced so im puttin it out here...definitely metaphysical...


A few times in the last couple months....i have experienced like an invisible wave going over me...i will be standing somewhere and its like an invisible wosh wave...so hard to explain this in words. It does not seem like vertigo...to me its different. Its as if everything waves up and down for a moment and its gone. Anyone experiencing something to this effect?