Not 1 but 2 crashes at Roswell?

[aceninja]

http://main.aol.com/2012/08/03/roswe...n_1751747.html

There is the link to the article. I just wanted to share this information because there seems to be a real push for UFO's again.

How will we be able to distinguish the psyop from real disclosure?

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The 1947 UFO controversy of Roswell, N.M. is like a bad penny: It keeps turning up.

The legend, rehashed by conspiracy theorists in countless documentaries, revolves around allegations that an unusual object fell from the sky -- an object so bizarre that the U.S. Air Force issued a press release that a flying saucer had crashed.

That story was quickly recanted, creating what would become one of the greatest urban legends in American history.

Until now, most debunkers doubted that there was even one crash. Now, in an exclusive interview, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French told The Huffington Post that there were actually two crashes.

This revelation is especially remarkable considering that French was known in the past to debunk UFO stories.



"There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know," French told HuffPost. "The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane that was flying out of White Sands, N.M., and it shot what was effectively an electronic pulse-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO, and that's why it crashed."

French -- an Air Force pilot who was in Alamagordo, N.M., in 1947, being tested in an altitude chamber, an annual requirement for rated officers -- was very specific in how the military allegedly brought down what he believes was a spacecraft from another world.

"When they hit it with that electromagnetic pulse -- bingo! -- there goes all their electronics and, consequently, the UFO was uncontrollable," said French, who flew hundreds of combat missions in Korea and Southeast Asia, and who held several positions working for Military Intelligence.

Another retired officer doubts French's story.

"No chance! Zero chance!" said Army Col. John Alexander, whose own top-secret clearance gave him access in the 1980s to official documents and UFO accounts. He created a top-level group of government officials and scientists who determined that, while UFOs are real, they couldn't find evidence of an official cover-up.

"In the 1980s, I was the guy developing all of the pulse-power weapons systems. We couldn't have done it then. In the 60s, they had a laser system, but your range was extremely limited, and we didn't have operational laser weapons in that time frame," said Alexander, who is working to get amnesty for military personnel who wish to talk about their UFO experiences.

Except for the initial newspaper headline declaring the military had captured a flying saucer outside of Roswell, the Air Force closed the books on Roswell, claiming that the true identity of the object was a high-altitude surveillance balloon, code-named "Mogul."

But after eyewitnesses -- including numerous military personnel -- began to tell stories of their participation in an alleged cover-up of the Roswell incident, some researchers insisted that it was, in fact, an alien ship that crashed at Roswell.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tjrH-MxbXfo

[Bill Ryan]

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Yes, there were two crashes (at least).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YoilYmYd1EA

[aceninja]

Wow, so the fact that this was published by AOL definitely means disclosure. That's a big first step because they didn't try to discredit the whistleblower at all.

[WhiteFeather]

Least not forget The 3rd Crash In The Aztec Mountains of Hart Canyon NM in 1948. Seems like they perhaps shot this one out of the sky as well.

[bogeyman]

Maybe the reason why they are talking now is because of their age and the amount of time that has passed. You will have to check the regulations on secrecy and time periods. It is a possibility that their is a classified or unofficial agenda to release this information without any official acknowledgement. Test the water so to speak.

[Bill Ryan]

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More: these two short video interview segments with Roswell crash witness Gerald Anderson (who was a small child when he and his family stumbled across a crashed disk and alien bodies, including one live alien who was terrified) -- are completely riveting.

They were conducted by Stanton Friedman and (I believe) date back to the 1980s. I'm as sure as I can be that what he's describing so compellingly that he saw and experienced is absolutely the real thing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=quL02WI1BcI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=quL02WI1BcI

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u1MZoIOqi98

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u1MZoIOqi98

[bogeyman]

Frank Scully author of Behind the Flying Saucers did report another UFO crash in Aztec, New Mexico 1948.
http://ufos.about.com/od/bestufocrashcases/p/aztec.htm

Leonard Stringfield also mentioned a crash UFO (report of in his Status Report) in 1948.

http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/avist...FSR83V28N5.pdf

[Jean-Luc]

I met Jesse Marcel Junior, MD, who gave a fascinating talk at an international conference called "Astronomy-Space-Ufology" in Strasbourg, France in 2010.

He was also a small boy at the time and one of the main witnesses of the Roswell crash. His father who was a military, shown his family bits and pieces from the wreck he had picked up and thrown in the back of his jeep. Jesse Marcel said his father displayed them to him and his mother on the floor of the family's kitchen in the middle of the night, just before heading to the base... and then having his story completely distorted and denied.

A really nice and unsophisticated man.

Other guests to the conference were Prof. Chandra Wickramasinghe (Univ. of Cardiff, UK), Claude Nicollier, Swiss astronaut / Hubble, Nick Pope (UK) ; Jean-Pierre Petit ( French astrophysicist & MHD specialist) Christel Seval (French author and editor), Jack Krine (French helicopter pilot and UFO witness), and Stanton Friedman.

[WhiteFeather]

The 2 videos posted by Bill Ryan by this Youtube user has some incredible Ufo videos uploaded from that site.
Great stuff for The UFO enthusiasts.

Here: https://youtube.com/user/regardingwave?feature=watch

[truth4me]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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More: these two short video interview segments with Roswell crash witness Gerald Anderson (who was a small child when he and his family stumbled across a crashed disk and alien bodies, including one live alien who was terrified) -- are completely riveting.

They were conducted by Stanton Friedman and (I believe) date back to the 1980s. I'm as sure as I can be that what he's describing so compellingly that he saw and experienced is absolutely the real thing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=quL02WI1BcI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=quL02WI1BcI

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u1MZoIOqi98

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u1MZoIOqi98

The craziest thing about Roswell to me is Phillip Corso jr saying that we are in a time loop. We have been living the years from 1947 to 2012 over and over again for 100's if not 1000's of years. The NWO each time would try a system and if didn't work would leave themselves qlues for where they could work on their plans until they got it right. abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread797619/pg1

[Cartomancer]

I'm looking for the source but I read sometime back that there is evidence that the crash or one of the crashes occurred at the future site of the Very Large Array. The Trinity Test Site is also nearby where they set off the first nukes. This region of New Mexico is home to a lot of scientific lore and mythology as well. Los Alamos, Dulce, Very Large Array, Lucifer Telescope, Virgin Spaceport, Trinity Test site, White Sands Missile Range, Roswell the list goes on and on. I was perusing some old maps the other day including one drawn by Alexander Von Humboldt that included the future sites of all of these places. Right there near the center of what would become the very large array was a small town named Magdalena...............

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting Concept. But supposedly there is a time bump in 2012.

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Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I'm looking for the source but I read sometime back that there is evidence that the crash or one of the crashes occurred at the future site of the Very Large Array. The Trinity Test Site is also nearby where they set off the first nukes. This region of New Mexico is home to a lot of scientific lore and mythology as well. Los Alamos, Dulce, Very Large Array, Lucifer Telescope, Virgin Spaceport, Trinity Test site, White Sands Missile Range, Roswell the list goes on and on. I was perusing some old maps the other day including one drawn by Alexander Von Humboldt that included the future sites of all of these places. Right there near the center of what would become the very large array was a small town named Magdalena...............

Chaco Canyon is pretty mystical I hear. Check this out! As above so below!
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/kivas2.html

Here Too: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread514187/pg1

[sdv]

UFO Evidence: Scientific study of the UFo phenomenon and the search for extraterrestial life

This sight is chock-a-block full of information on UFOs: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc918.htm

What I found really interesting is the Rockerfeller/Greer connection in trying to get disclosure while Clinton was in office: http://www.x-ppac.org/OSTP.html

As for Roswell, we still wait for full disclosure ... http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case1134.htm

[KiwiElf]

Some of these crashes may be getting confused with Roswell: There have been numerous alleged UFO crashes/recoveries from the late 1940's - 50's in the general New Mexico area.

1st Crash site: The main debris field of "bits" on Mac Brazel's ranch occurred just out of Roswell, circa 2-4 July 1947 (quite possibly the one that was shot down).

2nd Crash site: found a day or two later with a damaged deltoid-type craft and alien occupants, (considered part and parcel of the same event).

Bob Lazar also described a very similar-looking craft held at the S4 Papoose Dry Lake Base, South of Area 51.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Secret-S4-Base

Confusion then arises with the infamous "Santilli Aliens/autopsies/debris", which allegedly occurred at a slightly earlier date in 1947 (the autopsies were claimed to be filmed on the 1st & 3rd July, 1947, predating the Roswell crash), was found nearer to Socorro, 150 miles from Roswell (although the autopsy was carried out in Roswell - it was the MS media, in their ignorance, who tied the two together). If authentic, this was possibly a third crash. The being filmed in this case more closely resembles the "Orange" species, not the "Greys" alleged to have been found at the second Roswell site.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...n-Autopsy-film.

For a report of the different crashes:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lien-Occupants

[danceblackcatdance]

Posted by truth4me (here)
The craziest thing about Roswell to me is Phillip Corso jr saying that we are in a time loop. We have been living the years from 1947 to 2012 over and over again for 100's if not 1000's of years.

wow, never heard that before.. would be one explanation why Mckenna's Timwave Zero flatlines on 21.12.2012

[aceninja]

Apparently this is disclosure at the proper time... Now that everyone is scripted to be a skeptic the conditions are now safe to release real information. Without further adieu, behold the aliens being described by the gentleman above.

They actually caught roswell on film??

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XswfEzKE0UQ

The original uploader's response to criticism:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4jNRsbk334A

[noprophet]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)

Posted by truth4me (here)
The craziest thing about Roswell to me is Phillip Corso jr saying that we are in a time loop. We have been living the years from 1947 to 2012 over and over again for 100's if not 1000's of years.

wow, never heard that before.. would be one explanation why Mckenna's Timwave Zero flatlines on 21.12.2012

Phillip Corso Jr on Roswell, Time Travel, etc @Xcon 2004. His father was one of the colonels involved in the Roswell incident. Was watching this recently following links off TOT. very interesting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v3KuniMst6M