[HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

[Carmody]

All those things considered, I'm not dismissing the message of solar situations.

Deniability is a big thing in government circles.

There is more to human reality than a surface analysis can bring. Or... more than 'animal body parts of a complex duality being' doing the interpretation of the message.... can bring.

I'm largely up for anything that slaps humanity in the face, into some state of awareness of who and what they are. Different horses for different courses,and thus different messages for the 7 billion individuals who are incarnating on this planet.

If one has ever done any teaching, one of the fist things they learn in order to be effective for a group, is that the message cannot be repeated "ad nauseam" (repeat to point of nausea) in one way only, but that it must be transmitted ad nauseam in a million different ways, if necessary.

Considering the complexity of the message, it will need to be -and is being- repeated a million different ways in a million different places.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Sierra (here)
I used to do palmistry, and the hands are *very* different, both in phalange length and in lines. Note the height of the pads under the fingers. Note the double pad under the thumbs of one set of hands.

To my untrained eye, the hands and thumbs look similar.

Is there anyway you could explain to me, until I "get it", what you're seeing? Perhaps we two could have that discussion in a side chat, and I could then post images highlighting what you're seeing and have told me.

[Delight]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We have to go slowly and carefully here. What would be the greatest tragedy is if this warning was real, and we all dismissed it because of lazy mass internet opinion. I learned back in Serpo days that "reality" is defined on the internet by the "vote" of public opinion -- regardless of the truth. It was an important lesson to learn.

Think of your responsibility here. I'm going to say something very heavy. Hundreds of millions of people could die if we irresponsibly and prematurely trash a legitimate warning because we're all trying to be smart alecs.

If Dr Conti (and Enrico De Luca) are real, then they may be very discouraged by the skeptical response. They may respond by posting another video, and producing credentials. But equally, we may never hear from them again. Which would you prefer?

Hummm..... I know people who have spent thousands on freeze dried foods, supplies and even underground bunkers etc.. This must end up as trillions if you count up all the government and personal spending. There are so many waiting for that Big Juicy Disaster to happen AND yet be able to say " I survived". I appreciate the idea that every time a prophecy is made, that so very powerful being hears, refuses to agree and voila" Nada Poof Wham Bam, Yippee...Sun's up and Sky's Blue. I am beautiful and so are you......

Yes, there have been catastrophes but just dip into any GuidePosts and ask around for all the miraculous just in time miracles.

Who is that so powerful being? You guessed it....

(me) HAHA. And you thought I meant God. Well, yes. I meant That too. Maggie

[Mutchie]

WHY would this guy release a video sounding so sincere if it was all BS .... for fun ? to be noticed ?

Im very interested to find out about this subject .... if he is for real then fine he is doing everyone a big favour but if he is lying "well"

I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE HAPPY...some people will believe it and may be really frightened for family etc "I hope he isnt a hoaxer"

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)
I used to do palmistry, and the hands are *very* different, both in phalange length and in lines. Note the height of the pads under the fingers. Note the double pad under the thumbs of one set of hands.

To my untrained eye, the hands and thumbs look similar.

Is there anyway you could explain to me, until I "get it", what you're seeing? Perhaps we two could have that discussion in a side chat, and I could then post images highlighting what you're seeing and have told me.

I looked at his palms as well, and the position of the thumbs as in if they are forward, relaxed, or back can change the appearance. I could not tell enough out of the pictures posted to get an accurate comparison. His voice sounds the same though in the videos, and that to me is the biggest give away.

[Christine]

heh heh..I wonder how many people know what an 'ED209' is?

I had to look up your cryptic message. Now I know what / who ED209 is. Thanks

[greybeard]

When all is said and done it would seem that things are cyclic and for sure change is happening,
The Mayans are perhaps not so much "fortune-telling" guessing at the future, but pointing to a cycle-- something that is documented in their history as part of recurring events.
I dont see the opening video as bringing new news just giving a possible date.
There have been scientists like David Sereda, for years, speaking of energy coming from the centre of the universe which is already affecting all our planets and when it fully arrives will cause the sun to emit a massive burst of energy which will affect humans and earth---- that may cause a new heaven and a new earth in a twinkling of an eye or something else.
It could be so total that storing food and underground shelters is unnecessary-- however no harm in having a bit extra food and water to hand.
From my perspective everything is a it should be.

Chris

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
We have to go slowly and carefully here. What would be the greatest tragedy is if this warning was real, and we all dismissed it because of lazy mass internet opinion. I learned back in Serpo days that "reality" is defined on the internet by the "vote" of public opinion -- regardless of the truth. It was an important lesson to learn.

For me at least, the observer part of me is rather separate from the acting part of me.

The observer seeks to understand, and does so best if not particularly concerned with the outcome. It happily tolerates long periods of confusion, conflicting appearances and distractions. As a software engineer, I could drive my managers nuts, when I told them the software would be ready when it was ready, never mind that I might be fired or the company go bankrupt first.

The actor in me, when it decides that opportunity or necessity requires action, goes hell bent for leather with whatever half baked scheme it decides on. As a software manager, I could drive the engineers working for me nuts, with my carefully worked out PERT and GANTT charts, checking each scheduling milestone to the fractional day.

I for one at least, at present on this thread, am (mostly) in observer mode, well except for some rather semi-automatic and for the most part quite minor actions I take as a forum admin, making minor editing improvements in posts.

I sense that yourself, Bill, and some others here, who have been in this endeavor far longer than I have been, are more in the acting mode. Crunch time is coming, and it's rapidly coming time to stop talking the talk, and instead start walking the walk. There's far more on the line than just one man's job, or one corporation's solvency.

[Sierra]

Posted by Sierra (here)




I used to do palmistry, and the hands are *very* different, both in phalange length and in lines. Note the height of the pads under the fingers. Note the double pad under the thumbs of one set of hands.

I strongly doubt the actor and the scientist are the same person.

Hi Paul, Hi U.S.

OK some of the differences I noticed.

Phalanges are the bones and flesh between the three finger joints.

Top phalange: Mental
Middle phalange: Emotional
Bottom phalange: Physical

Length of phalange shows focus of energy. Notice the top phalange of the first finger (Mental, Jupiter, leadership). The actor has a longer Jupiter mental phalange than the scientist. The scientist tip of finger is pointed (greater imagination) whereas the tip of the finger of the actor is more rounded.

The scientist thumb phalange is longer than the actor's thumb phalange, greater will.

The big pad under the thumb, is the Venusian pad. The scientist Venus pad is thicker than that of the actor's Venus pad. The scientist pad has to go down into the life line. The actor's Venus pad is level with the life line.

The fingers go Index(Jupiter) the bird finger (Saturn), the next to last finger (Apollo) and the last finger(Mercury). On the actor's hand, the Saturn finger leans or is closer to the Jupiter finger, showing a dependency (most people have a leaning together of the Saturn and Apollo fingers, showing dependency in relationships). Same with the pads underneath, named for the finger above that pad.

The scientist has one well developed pad under Mercury. Mercury is science, communication. His focus/energy is primarily science/communication. You can see the next door Apollo and Saturn pads are relatively flat.

On the actor's fingers, he is much more well rounded. All of his pads are developed, well rounded, EXCEPT for the Mercury pad, which is blurred and red on one hand, also his Mercury finger is bent at the top phalange joint (bent is weakness, reduced energy flow through the finger tips).

The double pad has a distinct line on the actor's hand. If you look at the scientist hand, you will see the pad tends to follow the line of the lifeline curve, not a distinct roundness next to the thumb.

Heartline (directly under the pads under the fingers) on the scientist goes up between the index and birdie fingers (heterosexual), whereas the heart line on the actor's hand seems to go straight across or not up between or on fingers. Hard to tell.

Headline and career line very clear on the scientist's hand, not so on the actor's hand.

The hollow in the center of the hand is deeper on the scientist hand than the actor's hand.

There is not enough detail to go into lines, whorls, stress lines, finger nails etc. Nor do I know which is the dominant hand (current life progress) and the recessive hand (progress already made in previous lifetimes).

Hope this clarifies why I do not think these are the hands of the same person.

Sierra

[nearing]

I am convinced that he is an actor. His ears were pushed out with putty from behind and he made a mole (all common in acting).

The point now is why go on YT with this made up message? Just to see if your acting is good enough to fool thousands? Hmm.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)




I used to do palmistry, and the hands are *very* different, both in phalange length and in lines. Note the height of the pads under the fingers. Note the double pad under the thumbs of one set of hands.

I strongly doubt the actor and the scientist are the same person.

Hi Paul, Hi U.S.

OK some of the differences I noticed.

Phalanges are the bones and flesh between the three finger joints.

Top phalange: Mental
Middle phalange: Emotional
Bottom phalange: Physical

Length of phalange shows focus of energy. Notice the top phalange of the first finger (Mental, Jupiter, leadership). The actor has a longer Jupiter mental phalange than the scientist. The scientist tip of finger is pointed (greater imagination) whereas the tip of the finger of the actor is more rounded.

The scientist thumb phalange is longer than the actor's thumb phalange, greater will.

The big pad under the thumb, is the Venusian pad. The scientist Venus pad is thicker than that of the actor's Venus pad. The scientist pad has to go down into the life line. The actor's Venus pad is level with the life line.

The fingers go Index(Jupiter) the bird finger (Saturn), the next to last finger (Apollo) and the last finger(Mercury). On the actor's hand, the Saturn finger leans or is closer to the Jupiter finger, showing a dependency (most people have a leaning together of the Saturn and Apollo fingers, showing dependency in relationships). Same with the pads underneath, named for the finger above that pad.

The scientist has one well developed pad under Mercury. Mercury is science, communication. His focus/energy is primarily science/communication. You can see the next door Apollo and Saturn pads are relatively flat.

On the actor's fingers, he is much more well rounded. All of his pads are developed, well rounded, EXCEPT for the Mercury pad, which is blurred and red on one hand, also his Mercury finger is bent at the top phalange joint (bent is weakness, reduced energy flow through the finger tips).

The double pad has a distinct line on the actor's hand. If you look at the scientist hand, you will see the pad tends to follow the line of the lifeline curve, not a distinct roundness next to the thumb.

Hope this clarifies why I do not think these are the hands of the same person.

There is not enough detail to go into lines, whorls, stress lines, finger nails etc.

Heartline (directly under the pads under the fingers) on the scientist goes up between the index and birdie fingers (heterosexual), whereas the heart line on the actor's hand seems to go straight across or not up between or on fingers. Hard to tell.

Headline and career line very clear on the scientist's hand, not so on the actor's hand.

The hollow in the center of the hand is deeper on the scientist hand than the actor's hand.

Sierra

It's the same freaking guy; how much more obvious does it have to be?

Same nose (notice the crease on his nose ridge)
Same head shape
Same brow ridge
Contrary to Bill's expert ear analysis they look the same to me
Cheek bones and chin are the same
Upper lip to lower lip ratio is the same
The facial symmetry is identical

The right hand looks the same to me just looking at the major feature most visible of the palm with the ratio of pad above the crease to the amount of palm below; they look to same except for the dimple in the pad of the thumb.

And, you don't have to be an intuitive to see it!
I groan every time i hear Kerry say it and now Bill...

What ever happened to the "signal to noise ratio"?

[bogeyman]

Um get the person to prove themselves. That he worked at NASA and his is a Doctor then proceed. Only he can do that. FOIA isn't valid to personnel records unless the person is dead. Only he can authorized that. Facts first then proceed.

[syrwong]

Here we are have basically two dichotomous approach to getting the truth, similar to the western and Islamic approach to justice. They are A. Innocent unless proven guilty and B. Guilty unless proven innocent. Which is better? No matter what, Dr. Conti will have to respond to Bill’s invitation, a must to defend for himself, and possibly saving many lives. Yes, a whistle blower has to defend/prove that he is genuine.

[airaspect]

Compare each part of the face one by one on the pictures that were provided in this thread.

Cheeks are identical (see the third line of photos provided by US). Nose is characteristic and looks the same for both persons. So does the chin. Lips - there's similarity but hard to say. Skull shape is the same.


Apart from "dr Sal" himself, isn't it nice to see people working together to get to the truth ? We do share the same goal, wouldn't You agree, Frozen Alchemy.

edit: 13th Warrior beat me to it

[Sierra]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

It's the same freaking guy; how much more obvious does it have to be?

Same nose (notice the crease on his nose ridge)
Same head shape
Same brow ridge
Contrary to Bill's expert ear analysis they look to same to me
Cheek bones and chin are the same
Upper lip to lower lip ratio is the same
The facial symmetry is identical

The right hand looks the same to me just looking at the major feature most visible of the palm with the ratio of pad above the crease to the amount of palm below; they look to same except for the dimple in the pad of the thumb.

And, you don't have to be an intuitive to see it!
I groan every time i hear Kerry say it and now Bill...

What ever happened to the "signal to noise ratio"?

Well, I'm not invested either way. Just reporting on the differences I see. As well, the noses are not the same. The scientist nose is an extremely straight "Grecian" bridge, not so on the actor.

Just saying.

Sierra

[bogeyman]

He could be telling the simple true, but if that's the case were do you go? What consist of proof, but then is that the case here?

[araucaria]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

It's the same freaking guy; how much more obvious does it have to be?

Same nose (notice the crease on his nose ridge)
Same head shape
Same brow ridge
Contrary to Bill's expert ear analysis they look to same to me
Cheek bones and chin are the same
Upper lip to lower lip ratio is the same
The facial symmetry is identical

The right hand looks the same to me just looking at the major feature most visible of the palm with the ratio of pad above the crease to the amount of palm below; they look to same except for the dimple in the pad of the thumb.

And, you don't have to be an intuitive to see it!
I groan every time i hear Kerry say it and now Bill...

What ever happened to the "signal to noise ratio"?

Well, I'm not invested either way. Just reporting on the differences I see. As well, the noses are not the same. The scientist nose is an extremely straight "Grecian" bridge, not so on the actor.

Just saying.

Sierra

Yes Sierra

But part of being an actor is about changing one's physical features just as much as necessary and as little as possible

Edit: The Van Allen Belt should be nothing to worry about: ask the Apollo astronauts...

[Wind]

Maybe he has an identical twin who is an inmate?

...Or maybe he's just an actor. Sometimes you just have to admit that you were hoodwinked.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

It's the same freaking guy; how much more obvious does it have to be?

Same nose (notice the crease on his nose ridge)
Same head shape
Same brow ridge
Contrary to Bill's expert ear analysis they look to same to me
Cheek bones and chin are the same
Upper lip to lower lip ratio is the same
The facial symmetry is identical

The right hand looks the same to me just looking at the major feature most visible of the palm with the ratio of pad above the crease to the amount of palm below; they look to same except for the dimple in the pad of the thumb.

And, you don't have to be an intuitive to see it!
I groan every time i hear Kerry say it and now Bill...

What ever happened to the "signal to noise ratio"?

Well, I'm not invested either way. Just reporting on the differences I see. As well, the noses are not the same. The scientist nose is an extremely straight "Grecian" bridge, not so on the actor.

Just saying.

Sierra

Hi Sierra,

We look at the same photos and see different things; i guess that's normal.

[Sierra]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Yes Sierra

But part of being an actor is about changing one's physical features just as much as necessary and as little as possible

Yes Araucaria

But have you ever seen an actor change their palms? Hardly seems like something necessary for a role.

And as 13th says, we see what we see.

Okay, sorry for the digression! Back to topic!