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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    Hahaha, man... was I worried when I first watched the video. Glad that some sleuthing has righted this ship. I think that any information we ever get should be taken with a grain of salt until it can be corroborated, dis proven, or confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt.


    Actors can be attention.....

    addicts... after all

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    It might be an act yes.. but the reason behind it might also be that we
    doubt other similar threats, like the act was always meant to be uncovered.


    All i would say is to tread carefully here.
    The level of sophistication that is available to play the game is certainly high and getting higher
    As we are getting better at discerning, the tricks that are being used are also increasing in complexity.
    So yes we are being tested here, no question, this is a place that many people look to for the right information,
    so of course they will try to "steer" things through here.


    And I'm also not saying that this guy isn't real, just that the games are getting more
    and more complex, to keep up with us getting more clued in and more discerning,
    they know we have some very smart people here.
    And of course we would have picked up this clip within a very short time of it being posted, we are all watching very closely now..

    But Bill is right on the boy that cried wolf comment, we must be able to ascertain
    and quickly without a 100 page diatribe if something is the real deal.

    My idea would have been just cut to the chase and contact the guy,
    and thankfully that is being done.
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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    Well, apparently that has been tried. I attempted to reach his brother, but have not heard anything back yet.

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    is there a new movie coming out soon?

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    Anyone who has watched a bunch of Project Camelot videos and has a little bit of acting and writing talent could have made that "NASA Scientist" video. I just wonder who Enrico De Luca is and why he put it on youtube.

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    Quote Posted by misericordia (here)
    After a lot of digging i found Frank Vidals facebook page, which he shares with his wife Brenda. Many of their albums are public so if you have facebook log on and have a look at the pictures.
    Here is the link http://www.facebook.com/media/albums/?id=1082522027
    Following that link, I ended up at the Facebook page of one "Frank Y. Brenda", not of Frank Vidal.

    What's the connection ... I must be missing a clue .
    My quite dormant website: pauljackson.us

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    In Spanish, "y" means "and". Frank and Brenda.

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    Frank Vidal is in a lot of the photos on Frank y Brenda. I found his brother's page rafael Vidal through some friend links. It's the same guy.

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    He said he graduated from Yale in 1972.....well look and see if there is a Sal Conti in Yale's 72' class....

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    I found this

    http://www.educatinghumanity.com/201...-Not-Real.html

    "Monday, August 13, 2012
    Dr. Sal's Warning is not from NASA it's a Hoax, Thousands Caught up in the Hype"

    there are vids on the page too

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    Hello Bill! Hi Everyone!

    It's been a while, I know.

    Here's a little something that I wrote elsewhere earlier today that I hope some of you may find useful.
    (Slightly edited and updated).

    Thanks!

    Harley


    Quote As of this writing:

    Quote [...] he does give his bona fides, which can be checked out. From what i have read in other places so far, he does appear to be legitimate, and (if the info is correct) holds quite a prominent position within certain NASA programs. - xxx
    While it's true that he gave some bona fides, I have yet to find any of it actually (sufficiently) verifiable.

    Aside from the bad news of our upcoming demise, the announcement of an actual (confirmed) contact with an et civilization alone would be the biggest story in human history. Even coming from an insider/whistle blower, as long as he is properly vetted.

    So with that in mind, would it initially be posted to You Tube? Oh, I don't know. But if it were I who wanted to release information that I felt was important to humanity, I think I'd first do it through a notable but respected proxy/interviewer. Because, in releasing my info in this manner, I would know that his listeners would know that I have already been properly vetted and verified by the interviewer. Sure I know it would eventually get on You Tube, but presenting it initially in this manner would make it far more credible!


    Quote The only reason I'm not dismissing this guy out of hand is because he does mention programs that are real, and active currently within NASA [...] - xxx
    SARA . . .

    What do we know of a program within NASA's SARA department with a title description of (as given by Dr. Sal) "The Search and Analysis of Random Astronomical Radio Emissions"? This program title almost perfectly describes the SETI program, doesn't it? But wait . . . didn't NASA cancel their SETI program in 1993 due to Congressional cuts in their budget? Officially . . . yes. So can anyone point me to any references of this program within NASA/SARA, as described by Dr. Sal? (hint: it's probably there, but good luck finding it! ).

    Now consider this: A possible misdirect by Dr. Sal?

    SARA - The Society of Amateur Radio Astronomers

    Quote The Society of Amateur Radio Astronomers (SARA) is an international society of dedicated enthusiasts who teach, learn, trade technical information, and do their own observations of the radio sky.

    This organization is a scientific, non-profit group founded for the sole purpose of supporting amateur radio astronomy.

    SARA was organized in 1981, and today has hundreds of members worldwide.

    The group consists of optical astronomers, ham radio operators, engineers, teachers and non-technical persons.

    Many of our members are new to the field, and membership is extended to all who have an interest in radio astronomy.
    http://www.radio-astronomy.org/node/208
    And SARA is a derivative of this:

    The SETI League

    Quote SETI is a science, not simply a screensaver!
    The SETI League: since 1994 the leading membership-supported,
    non-profit {501(c)(3)}
    , educational and scientific organization
    Searching for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

    Home to Project Argus, the ambitious global Microwave SETI project

    Editorial
    A Science, Not A Search
    by Dr. H. Paul Shuch, Executive Director
    n6tx @ setileague.org

    Recently, the notion that we share our universe with countless sentient species has emerged out of the realm of fiction, into the scientific mainstream. Over the past forty years, dozens of organizations have conducted scores of experiments in the emerging discipline of SETI, the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence. As executive director of the grass-roots nonprofit SETI League, I am privileged to head up one of those searches. But I do not speak for SETI!

    Perhaps the most highly visible of the various scientific organizations seeking our cosmic companions is the prestigious SETI Institute in California. Spun off from a onetime NASA SETI effort, SETI Institute scientists conduct numerous Life in the Universe studies, as well as one of the most comprehensive surveys ever for artificial radio emissions from space. It was their expertise that informed the technical content of the popular film Contact, and their efforts that keep SETI high in the public consciousness. They are among the most highly respected of my colleagues, and I am proud to practice SETI in such august company.

    But SETI is a science, not a single search. I frequently read glowing press accounts of my colleagues' accomplishments, which are invariably attributed to some monolithic organization referred to as 'SETI.' "SETI has received a grant..." I read in the paper, or "SETI's chief scientist is lecturing at..." or "the director of SETI says that..."

    Certainly, this generalization of SETI Institute into simply SETI is not the doing of my modest Institute colleagues, but rather represents a tendency of the media to lump together all related efforts under a common banner. But to call the SETI Institute (or any one organization) 'SETI' is equivalent to referring to the National Science Foundation as simply 'science', or to NASA as 'space.' It implies a level of homogeneity which, if it indeed existed, would rob our discipline of its broad diversity, and stifle creative science.

    Each of the various SETI organizations around the world tackles a complex problem from a unique perspective. Since we cannot yet say which approach is the right one, we certainly cannot say that any is wrong. The efforts of hundreds of scientists now working on several independent searches may some day gain us entry into the cosmic community. Collectively, one might call them SETI. Individually, each is but a piece of the puzzle.

    The other day I was preaching SETI to a group of students, one of whom said, "we already know all about it. We use your screen-saver." She was referring to SETI@home, a highly successful initiative out of the University of California, Berkeley. That famous experiment in distributed computer processing is also a piece of the puzzle. But shouldn't we, educators and media alike, try to show the world the big picture?
    ________________
    Dr. Shuch, executive director of the nonprofit, membership-supported SETI League, Inc., does not speak for SETI.
    http://www.setileague.org/
    Note that these organizations, in comparison to The SETI Institite, are funded and operated solely by private individuals, therefore not so easily subject to government control and manipulation. The reason I can make that statement is because, although this is a large organization, each array (located worldwide) is owned and operated by individuals and small groups of individuals who collaborate with one-another. So my point is . . . If/when anything of significance occurs, there WILL BE an announcement no matter how they may try to manipulate or suppress it!

    Something else important to note for those who do not realize it: The word AMATEUR, used in these contexts, does not refer to inexperienced. It refers to someone who is practicing a science, profession, etc for no personal monetary gain. In fact these organizations have some of the best known and highly educated scientists, as well as hobbyists, as members.

    Therefore, with all that I have provided above, it is my belief that if/when REAL disclosure of et communications is announced it will (likely) be made by these people. And I would surely pay attention! (Did it just take place?) Anything released by The SETI Institute - a project that is run by a university which is government funded and therefore highly controlled - and especially by NASA I would be very cautious of.

    So what I'm getting at is, is there really a SARA program within NASA/JSC (such as "Dr. Salvatore Conti" has described)? None that I'm aware of. BUT being from the "inside" myself, I know better than most and I'll be the first to admit that, I may not know of it because I never had the need to know of it. So if anyone can provide me with any references to this it would be appreciated.

    Another thing. On Acronyms:

    Conti also gave us the full name of the project/program - "The Search and Analysis of Random Astronomical Radio Signals" - and then he gave us the acronym "SARA". Anyone who's worked projects and programs for any amount of time within the military and the military/industrial complex will tell you this doesn't fit. It just doesn't. By his description, the acronym would be something more like "SARARE" or "SA-RARE", etc. And they most certainly would not use an existing department's name, of which contains many programs, as a program title. The internal confusion would be astronomical! Get it?

    My own profession is/was Experimental RF and Microwave Communications Research and Development, and as I alluded to previously it was within "programs" (plural). So naturally that makes this guys story interesting for me and I'm not discounting it (just yet).

    And it's highly possible (maybe likely) that a lot of these "misdirects" were purposely incorporated in an attempt to protect his identity.

    We will see.

    Harley

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    Further clarification on my explanation of acronyms:

    In the examples I gave above, they might be spelled as "SARARE" or "SA-RARE" but they would probably be pronounced verbally something like "So Rare".

    See? Now THAT'S AN ACRONYM!

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    NASA = Not Another Scientist Asleep
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    Quote Posted by Referee (here)
    NASA = Not Another Scientist Asleep
    The trick is . . .

    NOT to have been employed by NASA!

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    NASA = Not another Surreal Allagory
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    A NaSa pole shift possibly leading straight to the SaNa(torium)


    Re fossils, an example of good science turning bad with the very corroborative evidence science obviously needs: one dinosaur skeleton is a strange new animal; lots of dinosaur fossils become an extinction event. Possibly, but not necessarily so - if the process is so much quicker than we thought, then time dilates and it may just be the background mortality we are seeing.

    Similarly, whistleblowers become more credible when several start saying the same thing. Possibly, but not necessarily so - they may be hunting in packs. Criminal gangs tell the same story also, at least if they are any good.

    Edit: This is not to suggest that any particular individual is saying anything but the truth as they see it.
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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    it looks like pole shift will happen very soon. heres's a interview on Coast with Nancy Lieber..
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=K5DuD...feature=relmfu

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Here is the motherlode for all these psy-ops disinfo recurring campaigns:

    From: http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/...s-nemesis.html:


    Excerpts from a paper by Lynn Yarris, LBL Research Review / Science Beat Berkeley Lab
    Mon, 13 Apr 1987 11:02 CDT

    The iridium layer
    Sandwiched between the limestone of the two periods, forming a clear line of demarcation, is a thin maybe one-half-inch thick layer of red clay. Immediately below this clay layer, the Cretaceous limestone is heavily populated with a wide mix of the tiny fossils of marine creatures called forams. Above the clay layer, in the Tertiary limestone, however, the fossils of but a single species of foram can be seen. The clay layer itself contains no foram fossils at all.

    When Walter Alvarez brought his samples back to Berkeley, his father, LBL Nobel laureate physicist Luis Alvarez, suggested that subjecting them to neutron activation analysis could help determine how long it took for the clay layer to form. The analysis, performed by LBL nuclear chemists Frank Asaro and Helen Michel, revealed to the surprise of everyone involved that the clay was about 600 times richer in iridium than the surrounding limestone.

    [...]

    Then, in 1984, came a report from two University of Chicago paleontologists, David Raup and John Sepkoski, who had put together a detailed list of sea life that had become extinct during the past 250 million years. Containing more than 3,500 different species, it was the most complete extinction list ever compiled. When they subjected their list to computer analysis, Raup and Sepkoski discovered that mass extinctions occur periodically, approximately every 26 to 30 million years.


    A PLOT OF DATA ON LIFE EXTINCTIONS, COLLECTED BY DAVID RAUP AND JOHN SEPKOSKI AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO, SHOWS PEAKS IN THE EXTINCTION RATE OCCURRING AT 26- TO 30-MILLION-YEAR INTERVALS, AS INDICATED BY ARROWS

    Scientists immediately scrambled to find an explanation that could account for a persistent, recurring cycle of planet-wide species die-outs. Volcanic eruptions were the most obvious suspects, but volcanoes fail to account for the clay layer, the high soot content and, most significantly, the high iridium concentrations. Casting further doubt on the culpability of volcanoes was the discovery of shock quartz and microtektites along with the iridium and soot in the clay layer samples taken from around the world.


    Shock quartz silt-sized grains of quartz, which, under a microscope, show cracks and strains, is formed in the heat and pressure of a powerful explosion. It showed up routinely in rocks brought back from the moon by the lunar astronauts, but on Earth it has been found only in meteorite craters and at nuclear weapon test sites.

    Microtektites are tiny pieces of glass, believed to be droplets of rock that were melted in the heat of an impact and hurled up beyond the atmosphere where they cooled. Upon reentry, the droplets were reheated. The heating-cooling-reheating sequence gave the microtektites in the clay layer a unique spherule shape.

    [...]

    Ruling out other terrestrial causes, many scientists turned to the heavens. One possibility was meteorites, which are chips of asteroids or planets moving randomly through space. However, a mechanism to explain the periodicity of the extinctions has yet to be found.

    [...]

    The trillions of comets in the Oort cloud generally maintain a slow but steady orbit around the sun. Occasionally, the gravitational field of a passing star will jar some comets loose, but few of these ever reach the inner solar system (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars), as the gravitational pulls of Jupiter and Saturn acting somewhat like giant vacuum cleaners keep this part of the system relatively clean of comets and other space debris.

    However, a strong enough gravitational force could dislodge so many comets that, through sheer numbers, the inner solar system's protective cleaning mechanism would be overwhelmed. One of the first possible sources of this gravitational force to be considered was the molecular dust clouds in the central plane of the Milky Way. As the solar system revolves around the center of the galaxy, it bobs up and down, periodically crossing through the star-crowded central plane that is foggy with molecular dust star stuff that never coalesced. One of the many problems with this suggestion is that measurements have shown the molecular dust clouds to be far too thinly dispersed to exert sufficient tidal gravitational force. Also, the bobbing of the sun does not match the times of extinction, in fact, the sun is close to the central plane right now.

    Another source of gravitational pull that has been proposed is the existence of a tenth planet in the solar system. Called "Planet X," this planet would be a gas ball as much as five times the size of Earth, occupying a peculiar shifting orbit that is tilted at an angle to the solar plane of the nine known planets. This theory also calls for the existence of an as yet undetected inner disk of the Oort cloud, between the orbits of Neptune and Pluto. Every 26 to 30 million years, the orbit of Planet X would be shifted so that it would scrape the edge of the inner disk, sending a host of comets towards the sun. The major problem with this proposal is that the hypothetical inner disk of the Oort cloud would be unstable and could not remain a disk. Consequently, comets would be shaken loose in a steady shower over the 26 to 30 million year time periods, rather than torn loose in a concentrated storm.


    A mechanism to explain the periodicity of the extinctions

    The Nemesis theory fulfills all the requirements prescribed by the Raup and Sepkoski mass extinction timetable.

    As envisioned by Muller, Davis, and Hut, Nemesis is probably a red dwarf, the most common type of star in the galaxy (three-fourths of all the stars in the Milky Way are believed to be red dwarfs). Less than a third the size of the sun and about one one-thousandth as bright, Nemesis might travel in an elliptical orbit that at its perihelion (closest point) brings it within a half light year of the sun (one light year is about six trillion miles) and into the midst of the Oort Cloud. Right now, Nemesis may be at its aphelion (most distant point), nearly three light years away. The sun's closest known neighbor, Proxima Centauri, is about 4.25 light years distant.

    [...]

    The evidence for Nemesis-triggered periodic comet storms based on cosmic ray exposure ages was drawn primarily from reviews of existing data. "In these days of tight budgets," observes Muller wryly, "the cheapest way to do research is in the library." Another review of existing data, this time by Muller and LBL physicist Donald Morris, uncovered evidence for periodic comet storms in the Earth's magnetic field.

    Volcanic rock, as it cools from the lava state, aligns itself with the Earth's magnetic field. In 1906, French physicist Bernard Brunhes discovered volcanic rock magnetized in the opposite direction of today's field. It is now known that the Earth's magnetic field has reversed itself many times throughout the planet's history, and at times has even been switched off. Muller and Morris felt that at least some of these geomagnetic flips were caused by comet impacts, and they developed a model to explain how it happened.

    The Earth's magnetic field is generated by slow eddies in its molten nickel-iron core that are the product of the heat flow out of the core, modified by the planet's rotation. When a crashing comet plunges the world into darkness, temperatures on the land drop much faster than those in the sea because water retains heat much longer than soil. According to the model of Muller and Morris, water near the equator evaporates and is redistributed as ice and snow on the polar caps. The result is a sudden (within a few hundred years) drop in the level of the oceans. In accordance with the conservation of angular momentum, the redistribution of mass alters the rotation rate of the Earth's crust and mantle with respect to the liquid core and leads to a disruption of the magnetic field.

    "It is the same as when figure skaters go into a spin with their arms extended, then draw their arms in to increase their rotational speed," says Muller. "The Earth's magnetism is so sensitive to the motions of the liquid core that it doesn't take much of a change in rotational rate to affect the field."

    Prior to the work of Muller and Morris, Chicago's Raup had examined the frequency of 296 geomagnetic reversals that took place during the last 170 million years and found peaks in the rate of reversals occurring approximately every 30 million years.

    Deposits of microtektites were also found in volcanic and seabed rocks from times when reversals took place. There was a sudden drop in sea level during the die-out of the dinosaurs, but there is no evidence of a geomagnetic reversal. This does not blemish the model of Muller and Morris, however, for it predicts that magnetic excursions, during which the field is turned off, would result from half of the impacts. Magnetic excursions are difficult to detect in volcanic rock.

    "Our model readily explains observed geophysical correlations, and accounts for the behavior of the Earth's magnetic field during a reversal," says Morris. "Although somewhat speculative, it is based on assumptions that are considered plausible by experts in the relevant scientific fields."

    A geomagnetic reversal could also take place should the polar caps melt and cause a sudden swelling of the seas. This, too, would alter the rotation of the Earth's crust and mantle with respect to the core and disrupt the dynamo.

    [...]

    Perhaps the most important aspect of the Nemesis theory, and the one for which we as a species can be most grateful, is that the deadly little companion star is not due to return until the year 15 million A.D.

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    There they are -- most of them -- these doom & gloom scenarii all taken out of context, made darker than a black hole and all of them, VERY CONVENIENTLY, OMITTING THE LAST PARAGRAPH!

    The reason, I think, why these various scenarii are spread far and wide is simply to heavily push (sledgehammer-strength) the buttons of the planet's collective unconscious memory... planet-wide wholesale nuclear wars included (nuclear explosions origin for shock quartz and microtektites being discounted with a "How dare you consider earlier highly developed technological civilizations ever existed prior to ours?"). That same reason explains why so many people "believe" these scenarii to be real and true.

    Anyway, just another side of the currency dice.
    Perhaps a large scale plasma discharge accounted for the "shock quartz and microtektites along with the iridium"
    That very point is being investigated by the thunderbolts group.

    I find this fishy, and I don't mean the actor possibility. There happens to be a lot of evidence to suggest that there is something big going on >in space and on the planet. The Paul Laviolette testimony > stellar particles and solar flares, Greenlands meltdown. The summer cyclone over the poles etc.
    What IS happening? - is a very good question. I also don't want to create panic or add to the fear porn, there is plenty...
    However I caution, Lets not take our eye the ball due to the boy cried wolf syndrome... That can be manufactured by psyops people. (everything is OK, go back to sleep)
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    Why not now?

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    And here's another, this time with Gordon James Gianninoto.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=a5X-v...feature=fvwrel

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    Default Re: [HOAX] Warning from "NASA Scientist": claims Aliens warn of massive threat to Earth

    When was this information confirmed by the nasa guy? 2011? When did they start building dumbs? 1998? Id say if he did get that information he got it in 1997 after the first 331 day cycle and they have been sitting on it to release just as the 2012 thing lost its lustre.

    They want to keep us amused and our eye off the ball. Fear also is a great tool to keep control of such a vast number of people. Lets face it if they walked the streets they wouldnt get much of a nice reception, ptb i mean. So its suffice to say they fear us rebelling. The broblem is if we did kaos would break and all the pent up anger in the people would make a real mess of things. Then what?

    One world government would never work with such a vast number not with out current mind set. Re educative programs would take generations.

    So if n 4 years time there is extreme radiation then mr nasa should have suggested technologies to help prepare. Surely he would have some ideas to work with,something towards the end to help ease the fear. But no, no constructive addendum to help prepare. So imo this is definitely out there to create fear in our alternate community. And why not we are the ones equipped to make a differnce.

    He may have some good info, i will have another look and scan him again. He seemed a little rehearsed and corrected himself when he went off course, he also went into memory recall and creative mind facial expression in the same sentence. If you can read energy and faces its pretty easy to tell he has an agenda.


    Interesting but to be honest, if its going to happen it just makes me want to enjoy life even more. If it does happen and i get wiped out my last minutes will be filled with smiles of my recent memories, not the regrets of having my nose on a pc screen.

    Enjoy your life.

    Ps ill ask some of my friends what they think of this info.

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