Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[wynderer]

PS to Amzer Zo re strawman -- started to read it but got into that 'white men think too much ' weary state of mind

have you yourself watched 'Earthlings'?

[Flash]

This thread is about archontic alien parasites isn't it? not about vegetarianism/meat eaters guruism, isn't it?

[9eagle9]

So we have the admission that our distaste for meat eating comes from an emotionally charged place that precludes any regard to intuitive logic.

thank you.

While I have a very close connection with animals I don't do them the disservice of placing inappropriate human emotional quantitative on them. Animals are possessed of their own dignity without me besmirching them with indignity that is not becoming of them. Or use them to advance my own agenda. My horse is not my horse, nor is she an emotionally templated extension of me. When I'm cold I dont' rush to blanket her . People think I'm unbearably cruel when I give her a kick not realizing that horses kick to communicate and play with each other, and with much greater punitive force than I am capable of dealing out and that she understands my heel better than she does my tongue because that is the language she uses with her own kind.

[observer]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I would make a request. If I give a heartfelt question, please don't give me a video-ized version of someone else's truth. That tells me a number of things, that you aren't seriously invested in your own truth, because its not really yours. It's someone elses. What I am asking of you is coming from me, not someone else.

I very rarely discuss my personal habits simply because they are personal. However, in respect to 9eagle9's request to give a heartfelt answer, and since I was the one who began this debate, here is my final word on the matter:

I was a hunter up until 1968. I used to fill my freezer with all sorts of meat from the kill. One day, while out hunting with my father, I shot a dear and only wounded it. When I drew my pistol to shoot the dear in the head, to finish the kill, my father wouldn't allow me to finish-off the job in that fashion. Instead he made me get down on my knees and cut the deer's throat.

As I did this, the dear let-out the most mournful moan one would ever witness.

From that day forward, I've not eaten another animal.

My rationalization has ever since been: if I'm no longer willing to kill the animal, I have no right to ask someone else to do the dirty work for me.

Now, I'll make a challenge.

To any individual who wishes to eat a cow, or any other red blooded animal. Next time you have the desire to eat such a thing, make the slaughter part of your ritual.

Do it all, the killing, the gutting, the skinning, the butchering, the cooking, and then sit-down and do the eating.

My point has been, since my first comment regarding eating the flesh of a beast: this is all part of a sacrifice ritual - whether you want to believe this or not. I brought this up as a discussion regarding how we are all controlled - through ritual - by an archonic hyperdimensional presence. One can make-up all sorts of rationalizations to justify why you are participating in this ritual. The bottom line is that you ARE participating in a ritual.

This particular reality is controlled through ritual. Blood sacrifice, in all its myriad forms, are all a function of this ritualistic control mechanism.

I believe enough has been said regarding this issue....

[wynderer]

an Avalon member whom i respect just asked me: 'Why am i derailing this thread?'

as i see it, this thread is about archons & their manipulation of Humans from behind the scenes

it so very clear to me that your disconnection from your Animal brothers & sisters is a huge part of this manipulation -- painfully clear, & i mean real pain

but -- as with other blind spots w/Humans -- i see that 'Earthlings' is too much for you all to deal with-- you can't see that disconnecting from compassion for all disconnects you from Source/God/the Creator

[observer]

Posted by Flash (here)
This thread is about archontic alien parasites isn't it? not about vegetarianism/meat eaters guruism, isn't it?

As to the question of 'derailing the thread':

This is Houman's Thread. He is the OP. It is his right, as the OP, to step-in and publicly ask that his thread not be derailed. If a member persists after the request of the OP in public discussion, than he has the right to ask the MODS to step-in.

I've not seen him do this at any point in this debate.

[Flash]

It is ok to explain as you just did Observer, this was straight explanation of your experience, but I often felt that some posts were rather patronising from a few posters about meat versus veggies.

You see, I come from a cold country, a very cold one, and without meat my ancestors could not survive the winter. Same for the Inuits by the way. When it is done for eating, it is not a game and usually the hunter do appreciate the animal's personal sacrifice for their food. In fact, they are very very thankfull otherwise they would starve.

When hunting is for a game, appreciation is lost. Then we are talking archonic most probably. It becomes taking, not sharing ones' life.

Furthermore I was raised around farmers and yes, I did kill chickens and ate them, this is part of nature when food does not grow in trees all year around. To tell you the truth, when you eat your own kill for food, not for fun, you do love the animal you are eating and are appreciative.

However, i do not see much the necessity to kill anylonger in these days because of all the availibility of food there is all year around.

I do not want to patronize and have absolutes on anything. Just mentioning tendencies and let each one be responsible for his use and sharings with nature.

[Timreh]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)
[...]

Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

..and where might all this leave our souls in the grand scheme of things?

You may want to have a good look at this thread and listen to the listed interviews:

Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics

As much as I have followed this thread I have not made the time to follow all of the posts
Taken onboard, thanks Amer Zo

[Houman]

I share observer's opinion/experience that if we were to not only slaughter what we eat but also, perhaps, raise it and help deliver it, we would see things differently...

We live in such a fake/artificial environment that we have (perhaps by design) lost our most of our humanity and we have dulled our senses to avoid hearing our souls screaming at us (sometimes these souls take extreme measures such as an accident or a disease to get our attention)... "hollow shells" is the term used in the Hopi prophecies for what we are being turned into... and "demons" is the term used by satanists for what we are being turned into in societies engineered by them (yes, this is their intent (make us part of that hierarchy but at the lowest levels), and this is what we slowly turn into by shutting our connection with our souls).

This connection uses the language of the heart: empathy, with it you will feel what others feel, not only humans but also animals, you will also perceive their thoughts in a primitive form...
It is our lack of empathy (and the resulting compassion) that has brought us to the edge of destruction...

Note that Wynderer is an abductee and most abductees (according to Dr Turner and E. Lorgen's research) develop a heightened sense of empathy and compassion because of what they have been through...

On the thread itself, I don't see it as being derailed, I only hope that the communication remains respectful and devoid of aggression; communication shares its root with "communion": "The sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, esp. when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level." It is not always an easy exercise but this mode of communication (compassionate/empathic) allows us to access our own souls... (interestingly E. Lorgen, whom I felt, has been following this thread has a recent article on that http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/compass...cation-skills/)

Houman

[9eagle9]

It's now about white men who think too much. Since I'm not a white man it doesn't apply to me....

You know, Flash, how women are just mindlessly flapping their lips all over the place (bites lip).

In regards to your post about hunting, Observer, thank you for your honest expression about hunting.

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
This thread is about archontic alien parasites isn't it? not about vegetarianism/meat eaters guruism, isn't it?

As to the question of 'derailing the thread':

This is Houman's Thread. He is the OP. It is his right, as the OP, to step-in and publicly ask that his thread not be derailed. If a member persists after the request of the OP in public discussion, than he has the right to ask the MODS to step-in.

I've not seen him do this at any point in this debate.

[Flash]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's now about white men who think too much. Since I'm not a white man it doesn't apply to me....

You know, Flash, how women are just mindlessly flapping their lips all over the place (bites lip).

In regards to your post about hunting, Observer, thank you for your honest expression about hunting.

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
This thread is about archontic alien parasites isn't it? not about vegetarianism/meat eaters guruism, isn't it?

As to the question of 'derailing the thread':

This is Houman's Thread. He is the OP. It is his right, as the OP, to step-in and publicly ask that his thread not be derailed. If a member persists after the request of the OP in public discussion, than he has the right to ask the MODS to step-in.

I've not seen him do this at any point in this debate.

Yes I think part of the archonic influence is to deny women the right of head. lol Like my chicken when killed.... I do not know which is worst really, killing chicken or killing women soul and right to think.

I just felt like this yesterday, could never finish my thought, was stopped right in my tracks with unfinished expression of a whole train of thought that was quite coherent (for train of thoughts we say thread in French - fil de ma pensée). But is was, it seems, stupid, from fast judgment and point of view of others. At the age I am at, with the experience I have, and some good "traditional" schooling (I am far from stupid), I am still speechless when stopped in my tracks. The difference now is that I do not feel bad, I do not blame myself, I just think I still have to deal with this macho attitude of my generation, which is late baby boomers. Too large egos to take something from a chicken head. But it would be worst elsewhere on earth.

Not biting my lips. This actual feeling of mine about the situation will pass.

This is, in my idea, one of the greatest killing that has been done on this planet. Killing the right to be of half the population. Forget culling 90% of the population, the job is already done for almost half of it. Women have been in over and over in quantity and quality in all the possible altars. And still are in supposedly "evolved" societies. Children with them as well.


Of course, this does not take away the great tragedy of human bloody sacrifices.

Thanks 9Eagle9 for your comment, I thought nobody had noticed.

[9eagle9]

The suppression of spirit is as much a tragedy as the theft of the mind, and the theft of the body. Even the 10 commandments awkwardly warns about theft--which is basically what parasitical is all about.

We have the fake industrially produced matrix which is poor replication of the creation matrix.

Matrices, maternal, women are a paramount factor in creation matrices, the sort that aren't fake. We have something that we pass along that the paternalistic set don't have--mitochondrial dna. Not to denigrate mans role in the creation matrix, but they were suppressed and damaged in a different way. Both were separated with true power, women handed a dis-staff and men taught to fear women because they were the source of ORIGIN-al sin. Well we the source of ORIGIN-al anything.

I haven't had any fake babies lately have you?

[Flash]

Lol

If my growing baby is fake, she is quite a busy and busying fake!! Should have gone easy on the fake!!! LOL

[wynderer]

bumping this & hi-lighting the first paragraph -- it occurred to me that this is the biggest issue facing Humans -- the Earth changes will come & go, but the controllers/archons will still be here

also i have wondered if the Reptilians came here as part of their galactic empire-building [living by a warrior code], & that they also got caught into the matrix

Posted by Houman (here)
from
http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-ra/#more-1095

...
She also admits that there are many alien races who are like us in their search for divine spiritual truths, and who are also, misled via many corrupted religious beliefs which ultimately can be traced back to the same Satanic-Archontic-Parasitic game plan. She admits there are some aliens who are more spiritually attuned just like there are some humans who are more enlightened than the average mass consciousness. It is not a black and white picture, but there are some basic truths, which are being kept secret from the masses. The most guarded secrets behind the aliens, New World Order agenda and the parasitic Archontic game plan revolves around the combination of satanic psychic vampirism and high technology. This high technology has also been referred to as black meta-technology because it combines elements of ritual black magic, nano technology, mind control; genetic manipulation and alien implant technology. Truly a soul oppressing combination and in my view, a great threat to humanity. Unless, of course, we wake up and start taking responsibility for our own freedom.
....


Somebody (aliens and the creators of the aliens) under the motto “Divide et impera”, has broke the Consciousness into 3 parts:

- the Mind (more similar to the conscious mind)

- the Spirit (” ” to the subconscious mind)

- the Soul (” ” more similar to the unconscious mind)

2) In the case of the abductees, these 3 consciousnesses do not know each other, do not talk to each other and often they don’t even know who they are and why they are here.

Essentially there is a “soul disconnect” with unrecovered abductees.(EL-This can be understood as a type of dissociation from disconnected aspects of themselves.) This disconnect is facilitated by various alien technologies such as implants, alien parasites, mind control programming and trauma. This disconnect facilitates the aliens usage of their soul energy, much like how a water main has been pilfered by attaching various hoses and pipes to divert the flow from the water main.

3) In case of the abductees, most of the time the Soul consciousness believes it is a slave of the aliens, looks upon them as gods and is afraid of them.

According to Dr. Malanga, the cure for the abduction phenomena is to get the Soul to remember who she/it is– a sovereign entity upon which aliens have no right. The body must be cleaned up of parasites and implants. Soul, Mind and Spirit have to know each other and they have to unify into one single and sovereign Consciousness. This process was noted to bring unexpected coherence into the psyche of the persona.

...

In one of Maarit’s experiences with her 5-year-old son, they both remember being placed in an enclosed machine with deep red lights and pulsating sound. Her son remembered long needles being inserted into him. She believes this pulsating sound and light instrument had to do with cloning in some fashion, and recognized similarities in her and her sons experiences, as those events described in Ted Rice’s abduction testimony, written in the late Dr. Karla Turner’s book, Masquerade of Angels (Keltworks, 1995) One of Ted’s abduction memories involved a small black box that was used to transfer his astral body consciousness from his original body into a cloned version of himself. Maarit told me that one of the reasons they use the black box, is so that the human spirit consciousness does not disperse and go elsewhere, and instead is trapped and directed into cloned bodies or stored until transferred to where the aliens want to place the astral body consciousness. Maarit believes this black box technology is also key to the aliens “soul recycling” technology, which entraps human souls to be born into bodies chosen for that person.

....

I corresponded with Dorica Manu, colleague of Dr. Corrado Malanga regarding the Horus-Ra entity. She said, “In Italy we used this notation because the Ra entity operates in a transdimensional body that looks like a very tall birdlike body, similar to the Egyptian god Horus. This bird-like body is not a cyborg, but it seems to be the body of a decayed humanoid race from Orion. So, the transdimensional form is Horus, the dark entity within is Ra. It is in actuality nothing more than a black shadow or dot.” According to Dr. Malanga, Ra is a dark entity coming from another Universe, a universe archetypally situated behind our universe. There is dark out there, no physical bodies, no light, no love, no souls. This Ra entity places implants on the tailbone, below the sacrum, from where he hangs on to the abductee’s body, parasiting the persona and performing a perverse type of mind control. Ra may come and go to his liking.

....

Could this dark universe that is archetypally behind ours be what the ancient Gnostics described as the “Outer Darkness”?

The mention of the “shadow beings” beneath the various forms reminded me of a statement made by one of my former Milab female interviewees named Lilu. (http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-pandoras-box/)

She stated that it is the Shadows who are behind the reptilians and other colluding–parasite aliens and that these beings are the ones we need to be concerned with. Maarit told me that this black dot shadow is a different kind of energy within the energy body. A presence. She also said that most reptilians and draconians are in line and united with that “shadow energy”. Maarit explains,

“I am able to recognize the Ra energy everywhere and maintain my inner coherence. So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“ Maarit emphatically stated,

“The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it. It wants people to forget the ultimate reality and connection to God. In every way this is true. And it goes with other races as well. Most of them are as lost as humans. Some are awakened like some humans are, too. That is why these New Age movements are so dangerous–they are a straight portal for these darker forces to manifest. They make people to compete who are the most spiritually gifted, most knowledgeable, who have more healing/psychic powers etc., and make the whole scam revolve around human ego, which becomes the source for the ego of the evil itself. So it’s no coincidence Jesus said: do not worship pictures/idols of god and one must leave the material behind in order to follow the route to God. The God is within. So that’s why there is so much ritual performances within the NWO network. The secretive “occult” energy makes the evil stronger, gives these people feeling of specialty and power. It corrupts the purity.”

...

I find that our tendency is to become distracted by the entertainment aspect of Ufology, rather than the spiritual-mental evolutionary implications of what befalls us with this alien interference. We love to dance in the distractions, but this diverts our own awareness regarding the power of our innate divinity. I believe the ancient Gnostics were well aware of this “Archontic Control” over humanity. (aka–”The Hypostasis of the Archons or Reality of the Rulers”, (II,4) Tractate in the Nag Hammadi Library) The Gnostics, in their wisdom they tell of what the signature of the Archons is: envy. This was the key human failing that makes us more vulnerable to their intrusion. But they did not leave us without hope for a solution. If we take on the protection of the Light, and rid ourselves of jealousy, then we enter the bridal chamber. (Lash’s Alien Dreaming article, excerpt from quote regarding Dialogue of the Savior, NHC III, 5 (85)

Could the humans involved with the Satanic New World Order be hosted by this same black shadow Horus-Ra energy? Is this what the Archontic influence truly is—and what the ancient Gnostics warned us about?

The archontic mode of parasitism reminds me of certain themes in a popular science fiction television series known as Stargate SG-1. The Gould are a malevolent race of beings represented by ancient Egyptian falcon and jackal headed Gods. When one is taken over by the Gould, they receive a snake like symbiote inserted into their spinal column, and from then on, they are “hosts” for the Gould’s dark Gods. Did the writers of such Sci Fi TV shows know something about what is really going on within the deep dark elements of the Illuminati, NWO, and their ancient Egyptian alien gods? It made me wonder. Abductees and milabs did not make this up!

[Hervé]

Posted by wynderer (here)
[...]


... also i have wondered if the Reptilians came here as part of their galactic empire-building [living by a warrior code], & that they also got caught into the matrix

[...]

Apparently, like most of us, they were conned into settling here:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Speaking of nuked, blown up planets and the soul harvesting of their inhabitants (see post # 1410):

Draconian Encounter

By Franz Erdl, July 9, 2012, http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Dracoencounter.htm

[...]

I could feel that this Draco was senior to the others. Maybe he was the chief of the underground base . He said to me "This planet has been promised to us!" I was able to recognize at a glance how he felt. It felt like, "Why do so many of your kind still walk around?" It seemed to me as if he has been waiting for ages to regain a planet for himself.

--- A couple of weeks ago we had freed a Draco - we healed his enormous pain - it was the destruction of his planet. Martina was able to witness this downfall due to his immense agony. The planet shattered with one huge explosion. This shock was deeply felt in all Dracos and hence their strong desire for their own planet.

[...]

... I believe that the snakes make concessions as long as they can use other beings as mere tools. If their work is done, Grays, Reptilians, Dracos (but also Illuminati, Freemasons, banksters, etc.) will be reset to their enslaved condition.

[...]

... they want to destroy planet earth and our souls should serve them as food forever. If they were interested in planets, they would not have destroyed them. But I may be wrong.

[...]

Franz Erdl

See post # 1206 for the background premises of the above:

As far as I could witness, Grays are masters of reality manipulation: they make up astral holograms and even "videos", which mock the sights especially of psychic people and make them perceive false visions. We fell into their trap, too, and have learned by and by to recognize manipulated perceptions. I warn you in particular from working with more than two or three psychic people at the same time. Two or three people can communicate much better than a whole group. Groups are under control of so called group dynamics. In psychic groups, usually one or two persons are recognizably the most psychic ones. This often leads in a certain direction and the others being passively lead by this dynamics. This group dynamic strengthens automatically the direction, even if the direction is wrong! Grays amplify this dynamics even more and the participants perceive an epic "Repto vs. Human show." At the end, all group members feel very fond of themselves, without anything [having] really changed. I have experienced enough of such sessions.

[...]

We succeeded in liberating thousands of Rep-Demons, to “undemonize” them. They re-transformed back into Dragons, kind Dragons who are friends of Humans.

[...]

How come, these dark creatures were open for healing and changing sides?
To me, this looks like the liberation impulse of the Wowos. As far as I get it, this impulse is waking beings up. The mind control of the snakes is reduced to such an extent, that these beings are able to get aware of their situation. The awareness doesn't free them, but it helps them seeking ways of liberating. For example, they come to us.

I want to acknowledge: without our insight on snakes, this liberation would have been impossible. We first had to understand that all beings in our universe are used and abused by snakes. Otherwise we would have regarded the Rep-Demons and other dark creatures as foes and we would have fought them.

[...]

Another research session: all three of us on Friday, the 14th of October. Martina could sense a being behind her. Oh, a lot of beings actually. In front of her she saw an evil-looking, black Draco. He said: "Give them back to me.“ and pointed his finger on the beings behind Martina. Oh no!

Is this the end of our lucky streak? He gouged at Martina's heart chakra, apparently trying to get through her and grab the other creatures. Person number 3 and I focused on getting rid of the snake inside this Draco, since Martina was totally blocked, out of order. Well, finally, after three hours of work, we made it. It was a lot of work. After having relieved the Draco from his snake, he collapsed. Then a beautiful, giant Dragon came out of him. But this wasn't the end. Then we saw the astral body of a Human coming out plus another Draco. Three beings inside of him.

Why so many? Well, then all of them, especially the Human needed healing. Finally, they were free.

[...]

Since the middle of September, more and more types of creatures show up to seek out our help. Dracos, Dragons, Reps and astral beings, and most of them look awkward and scary. So we make sessions for Humans and then such beings, whose snake-made task was to control and weaken these Humans, come and ask for healing. We had a hard times believing this.

[...]

... The beings in front were healed at first and to our surprise, they transformed into . . . Humans. The waves reached to the back rows more and more, and everywhere Humans showed up. Some other beings were there as well, but all of them looked kind.

There were many. Martina could perceive Humans from down through the centuries.

The above first paragraph is one of the reasons for my wish expressed in post # 1513:

In the vein of the latter, I wish that the people who are having these "visions" of tsunamis, devastating earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc... could have enough "presence d'Esprit" to dig beyond that vision and find out who are the producers, directors, art directors, etc... of the "productions" since it seems many of the militaries are following up on that "vision" and retiring in the Ozarks, etc... indicating that the military hierarchy is thoroughly "impressed" with those specific "outcomes."

Then, there is the question of what could turn a human into manifesting itself as a "demon" or some other evil, hideous, scary creature?

My only clue to the above question comes from hypnotism and the resulting mind control. Hence my answer put forth in post # 1513.

[wynderer]

yes, i remember you posted the paternal Draco article before -- that, & the other articles -- they sound somewhat in the realm of fantasy to me -- all the shapeshifting back & forth, etc; & the pain & suffering & paternal qualities of Reptilians/Dracos

none of this resonates w/my own experiences

also, i believe that Humans are the rightful inhabitants of Earth -- all others are unlawful invaders

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
[...]


... also i have wondered if the Reptilians came here as part of their galactic empire-building [living by a warrior code], & that they also got caught into the matrix

[...]

Apparently, like most of us, they were conned into settling here:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Speaking of nuked, blown up planets and the soul harvesting of their inhabitants (see post # 1410):

Draconian Encounter

By Franz Erdl, July 9, 2012, http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Dracoencounter.htm

[...]

I could feel that this Draco was senior to the others. Maybe he was the chief of the underground base . He said to me "This planet has been promised to us!" I was able to recognize at a glance how he felt. It felt like, "Why do so many of your kind still walk around?" It seemed to me as if he has been waiting for ages to regain a planet for himself.

--- A couple of weeks ago we had freed a Draco - we healed his enormous pain - it was the destruction of his planet. Martina was able to witness this downfall due to his immense agony. The planet shattered with one huge explosion. This shock was deeply felt in all Dracos and hence their strong desire for their own planet.

[...]

... I believe that the snakes make concessions as long as they can use other beings as mere tools. If their work is done, Grays, Reptilians, Dracos (but also Illuminati, Freemasons, banksters, etc.) will be reset to their enslaved condition.

[...]

... they want to destroy planet earth and our souls should serve them as food forever. If they were interested in planets, they would not have destroyed them. But I may be wrong.

[...]

Franz Erdl

See post # 1206 for the background premises of the above:

As far as I could witness, Grays are masters of reality manipulation: they make up astral holograms and even "videos", which mock the sights especially of psychic people and make them perceive false visions. We fell into their trap, too, and have learned by and by to recognize manipulated perceptions. I warn you in particular from working with more than two or three psychic people at the same time. Two or three people can communicate much better than a whole group. Groups are under control of so called group dynamics. In psychic groups, usually one or two persons are recognizably the most psychic ones. This often leads in a certain direction and the others being passively lead by this dynamics. This group dynamic strengthens automatically the direction, even if the direction is wrong! Grays amplify this dynamics even more and the participants perceive an epic "Repto vs. Human show." At the end, all group members feel very fond of themselves, without anything [having] really changed. I have experienced enough of such sessions.

[...]

We succeeded in liberating thousands of Rep-Demons, to “undemonize” them. They re-transformed back into Dragons, kind Dragons who are friends of Humans.

[...]

How come, these dark creatures were open for healing and changing sides?
To me, this looks like the liberation impulse of the Wowos. As far as I get it, this impulse is waking beings up. The mind control of the snakes is reduced to such an extent, that these beings are able to get aware of their situation. The awareness doesn't free them, but it helps them seeking ways of liberating. For example, they come to us.

I want to acknowledge: without our insight on snakes, this liberation would have been impossible. We first had to understand that all beings in our universe are used and abused by snakes. Otherwise we would have regarded the Rep-Demons and other dark creatures as foes and we would have fought them.

[...]

Another research session: all three of us on Friday, the 14th of October. Martina could sense a being behind her. Oh, a lot of beings actually. In front of her she saw an evil-looking, black Draco. He said: "Give them back to me.“ and pointed his finger on the beings behind Martina. Oh no!

Is this the end of our lucky streak? He gouged at Martina's heart chakra, apparently trying to get through her and grab the other creatures. Person number 3 and I focused on getting rid of the snake inside this Draco, since Martina was totally blocked, out of order. Well, finally, after three hours of work, we made it. It was a lot of work. After having relieved the Draco from his snake, he collapsed. Then a beautiful, giant Dragon came out of him. But this wasn't the end. Then we saw the astral body of a Human coming out plus another Draco. Three beings inside of him.

Why so many? Well, then all of them, especially the Human needed healing. Finally, they were free.

[...]

Since the middle of September, more and more types of creatures show up to seek out our help. Dracos, Dragons, Reps and astral beings, and most of them look awkward and scary. So we make sessions for Humans and then such beings, whose snake-made task was to control and weaken these Humans, come and ask for healing. We had a hard times believing this.

[...]

... The beings in front were healed at first and to our surprise, they transformed into . . . Humans. The waves reached to the back rows more and more, and everywhere Humans showed up. Some other beings were there as well, but all of them looked kind.

There were many. Martina could perceive Humans from down through the centuries.

The above first paragraph is one of the reasons for my wish expressed in post # 1513:

In the vein of the latter, I wish that the people who are having these "visions" of tsunamis, devastating earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc... could have enough "presence d'Esprit" to dig beyond that vision and find out who are the producers, directors, art directors, etc... of the "productions" since it seems many of the militaries are following up on that "vision" and retiring in the Ozarks, etc... indicating that the military hierarchy is thoroughly "impressed" with those specific "outcomes."

Then, there is the question of what could turn a human into manifesting itself as a "demon" or some other evil, hideous, scary creature?

My only clue to the above question comes from hypnotism and the resulting mind control. Hence my answer put forth in post # 1513.

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
If you haven't done so yet, I heartidly recommend you watch Berhnard Guenther's 110 minutes video UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact 2012 (Full Documentary) which pretty much summarizes the work of Dr Karla Turner... and much more, including segments with Richard Dolan, Laura Knight and many well thought comments and extracts from various serious researchers & authors.

You can watch it on Youtube but you will get a better quality video on his website at this address:

http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/ (Press HD in the upper right corner)

The accompanying article is also published on sott.net http://www.sott.net/articles/show/24...ion-of-Contact

with this sort of enthusiastic comment from a reader:

This is the topics of all topics.
This is the best article I have ever read on the subject.
I am an abductee and have been more than frustrated by the "New Age" feel good wishful thinking that this subject evokes.
Thank you for your bold truth seeking .
We are blinded by our binary thinking, black or white, good or bad.
There are answers above the childish options of, " are you a good witch , or a bad witch."

His website : http://veilofreality.com/

Excellent work!

"The idea that men, women, and children can be taken against their wills from their homes, cars, and school yards by strange humanoid beings, lifted onto spacecraft, and subjected to intrusive and threatening procedures is so terrifying, and yet so shattering to our notions of what is possible in our universe, that the actuality of the phenomenon has been largely rejected out of hand or bizarrely distorted in most media accounts."

- John E. Mack, M.D., professor of psychiatry at Harvard, from his book Abduction

This is the first time I've watched a documentary of this kind without feeling angry, tearful, or depressed. This does not mean that I am less disturbed by the thought of abductions (especially my own) but that I've come to accept it for what it is, with far less fear.

I believe that ETs will not bother me anymore. I don't know why I believe this. I hope I'm not being naive or delusional.

In my core, I feel that a healing can finally be perceived. I know that being here has been very helpful.

With gratitude to Houman and all the helpful posters on this thread.

Daughter of Time

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
If you haven't done so yet, I heartidly recommend you watch Berhnard Guenther's 110 minutes video UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact 2012 (Full Documentary) which pretty much summarizes the work of Dr Karla Turner... and much more, including segments with Richard Dolan, Laura Knight and many well thought comments and extracts from various serious researchers & authors.

You can watch it on Youtube but you will get a better quality video on his website at this address:

http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/ (Press HD in the upper right corner)

The accompanying article is also published on sott.net http://www.sott.net/articles/show/24...ion-of-Contact

with this sort of enthusiastic comment from a reader:

This is the topics of all topics.
This is the best article I have ever read on the subject.
I am an abductee and have been more than frustrated by the "New Age" feel good wishful thinking that this subject evokes.
Thank you for your bold truth seeking .
We are blinded by our binary thinking, black or white, good or bad.
There are answers above the childish options of, " are you a good witch , or a bad witch."

His website : http://veilofreality.com/

Excellent work!

"The idea that men, women, and children can be taken against their wills from their homes, cars, and school yards by strange humanoid beings, lifted onto spacecraft, and subjected to intrusive and threatening procedures is so terrifying, and yet so shattering to our notions of what is possible in our universe, that the actuality of the phenomenon has been largely rejected out of hand or bizarrely distorted in most media accounts."

- John E. Mack, M.D., professor of psychiatry at Harvard, from his book Abduction

This is the first time I've watched a documentary of this kind without feeling angry, tearful, or depressed. This does not mean that I am less disturbed by the thought of abductions (especially my own) but that I've come to accept it for what it is, with far less fear.

I believe that ETs will not bother me anymore. I don't know why I believe this. I hope I'm not being naive or delusional.

In my core, I feel that a healing can finally be perceived. I know that being here has been very helpful.

With gratitude to Houman and all the helpful posters on this thread.

Daughter of Time

Hi DoT, glad you came to the same conclusion I did. I had to get "through" my anger. Somehow, having moved past that stage, my life has become quite smooth. But to me, and far more important, is how I have been so much more productive. How do I define productive? The degree to which I have become truly helpful to my family, loved ones, friends and those with which whom I have come into casual contact, save for a few posters whose feathers have become a bit ruffled based on my recent views.

Anyways, good to know I am not alone in transcending the anger stage (at least as up until now). Something inside me suggests I won't be revisiting that stage again.

justoneman

[wynderer]

bumping this as a wake-up call to all who are planning their escape strategy thru ascension to 5D

those trailing & stained w/the blood of many innocents, thru either commission or omission [willful denial -- Pink Floyd 'On the Turning Away' ] -- IN 5D WE DO NOT KILL & EAT ONE ANOTHER!

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I would make a request. If I give a heartfelt question, please don't give me a video-ized version of someone else's truth. That tells me a number of things, that you aren't seriously invested in your own truth, because its not really yours. It's someone elses. What I am asking of you is coming from me, not someone else.

I very rarely discuss my personal habits simply because they are personal. However, in respect to 9eagle9's request to give a heartfelt answer, and since I was the one who began this debate, here is my final word on the matter:

I was a hunter up until 1968. I used to fill my freezer with all sorts of meat from the kill. One day, while out hunting with my father, I shot a dear and only wounded it. When I drew my pistol to shoot the dear in the head, to finish the kill, my father wouldn't allow me to finish-off the job in that fashion. Instead he made me get down on my knees and cut the deer's throat.

As I did this, the dear let-out the most mournful moan one would ever witness.

From that day forward, I've not eaten another animal.

My rationalization has ever since been: if I'm no longer willing to kill the animal, I have no right to ask someone else to do the dirty work for me.

Now, I'll make a challenge.

To any individual who wishes to eat a cow, or any other red blooded animal. Next time you have the desire to eat such a thing, make the slaughter part of your ritual.

Do it all, the killing, the gutting, the skinning, the butchering, the cooking, and then sit-down and do the eating.

My point has been, since my first comment regarding eating the flesh of a beast: this is all part of a sacrifice ritual - whether you want to believe this or not. I brought this up as a discussion regarding how we are all controlled - through ritual - by an archonic hyperdimensional presence. One can make-up all sorts of rationalizations to justify why you are participating in this ritual. The bottom line is that you ARE participating in a ritual.

This particular reality is controlled through ritual. Blood sacrifice, in all its myriad forms, are all a function of this ritualistic control mechanism.

I believe enough has been said regarding this issue....

[wynderer]

here comes wynderer the contrary once again

Daughter of Time, what i want so much to do is to encourage you to access the warrioress in yourself -- i have never been afraid during/after abductions

isometimes think that the idea that anger is 'unspiritual' is part of the archon's conditioning of the collective Human mind

fear is helpful to alert one to danger

in some situations, anger is helpful to deal w/that situation [imo]

wyn

PS -- edit to add: my anger is not really for me -- i'm outta here soon anyway -- it is anger for all the innocents -- the Animals & the Children

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
If you haven't done so yet, I heartidly recommend you watch Berhnard Guenther's 110 minutes video UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact 2012 (Full Documentary) which pretty much summarizes the work of Dr Karla Turner... and much more, including segments with Richard Dolan, Laura Knight and many well thought comments and extracts from various serious researchers & authors.

You can watch it on Youtube but you will get a better quality video on his website at this address:

http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/ (Press HD in the upper right corner)

The accompanying article is also published on sott.net http://www.sott.net/articles/show/24...ion-of-Contact

with this sort of enthusiastic comment from a reader:

This is the topics of all topics.
This is the best article I have ever read on the subject.
I am an abductee and have been more than frustrated by the "New Age" feel good wishful thinking that this subject evokes.
Thank you for your bold truth seeking .
We are blinded by our binary thinking, black or white, good or bad.
There are answers above the childish options of, " are you a good witch , or a bad witch."

His website : http://veilofreality.com/

Excellent work!

"The idea that men, women, and children can be taken against their wills from their homes, cars, and school yards by strange humanoid beings, lifted onto spacecraft, and subjected to intrusive and threatening procedures is so terrifying, and yet so shattering to our notions of what is possible in our universe, that the actuality of the phenomenon has been largely rejected out of hand or bizarrely distorted in most media accounts."

- John E. Mack, M.D., professor of psychiatry at Harvard, from his book Abduction

This is the first time I've watched a documentary of this kind without feeling angry, tearful, or depressed. This does not mean that I am less disturbed by the thought of abductions (especially my own) but that I've come to accept it for what it is, with far less fear.

I believe that ETs will not bother me anymore. I don't know why I believe this. I hope I'm not being naive or delusional.

In my core, I feel that a healing can finally be perceived. I know that being here has been very helpful.

With gratitude to Houman and all the helpful posters on this thread.

Daughter of Time