Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[9eagle9]

Deer let out mournful moans when they are wandering in my back yard at night. Deer do that.

Does the deer decide its mournful or does the one listening to it decide that?

[9eagle9]

You've found out that fighting them doesn't solve the problem. Some people never find that out. People who are 'supposed' to be learned in these areas still fight them which is playing the game. That game has been held in perpetuity, for thousands of years. When the people who are 'supposed' to be learned in these matters, and that includes myself, learned that battle should mean walking in, detaching, and walking back out again.

Any game we play is a control drama or struggle. To win a game, cunning, subterfuge, deceit and cheating is required on the behalf of those who are not authentically engaged in a challenge. Some people can sit down and play Monopoly and someone wins and the board is put away and then some people play as if there is some war to be won.

Posted by starchild111 (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Was just thinking about how silly that last statement about derailing the thread is: every post of my personal experiences is a little chronicle of my “battle” with archontic forces that have imposed themselves on my reality.

And I got to thinking about what “battling archons” really means, what I have been doing, what positive results I have getting—it is all about empowerment, and taking personal responsibility, and losing all attachments and [irrational] fear.

Whenever I learned that, my life was infinitely “easier”, and I found my calling, my passion—to share it with everyone in my reality.

Because ”battle” (conflict/struggle/attempting to control) is what feeds it. To “win”, is not to “play”. To have gained this information, find (and live) those few universal truths, so simple yet so easily manipulated--to figure it out makes life more amazing than I ever imagined it could be. I feel that all you can do is gather information, live in the now, that is empowerment...and when you have that, to spread it.

I want to personally thank every single avalonian for providing the “ammunition” (information, shared experience) in my little front in the battle, what I have learned and continue to learn has been so important and is so appreciated I can barely express it….gosh the thread is SICK!!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!

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You have NO idea how much sense that makes. TO Win is to not play. The battling, and them feeding off of it. This one post of yours, (and I have to confess, I have not invested nearly enough time to read this thread in its intirety), but this one post has given me a HUGE piece to my own dilemmas. And my story is long, entwining, and extremely complicated. But That one phrase "to WIN is to not play". It's magic, DONK, magic.

I have been fighting battles for years, and wondering why I can never get on the winning side. Battles, and struggles, and tons of weird ***t have followed me for years. And this is it. I have been fighting them. By doing that, I am feeding them breakfast,lunch,dinner and lots of nibbly snacks in between. All I need to do is figure out a way to let go, and stop trying to be "right". or something.

You have no idea what I am talking about, but this little bit of wisdom can be utilized in many different aspects of our lives. This is all philosophical, I know, but it makes perfect sense. It
won't solve all my problems, but I think it will give me a push in the right direction.


Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Houman]

Posted by wynderer (here)
edit to add : those they can't wear down, they try to break down -- those they can't break down , they try to kill

And if they can't wear you down, break you down or kill you, they will go after your siblings, your parents, your gf/bf/wife/husband, your children, and yes, even your pets... but you are not powerless to protect them...

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
edit to add : those they can't wear down, they try to break down -- those they can't break down , they try to kill

And if they can't wear you down, break you down or kill you, they will go after your siblings, your parents, your gf/bf/wife/husband, your children, and yes, even your pets... but you are not powerless to protect them...

How does one protect one's loved ones from falling into their traps?

[wynderer]

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[TheVoyager]

Alien Abductee Portraits by Steven Hirsch

http://littlestickylegs.blogspot.fi/

[wynderer]

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[Gemini]

Thank you for your post 9eagle9. It gives me a lot to think about and to reconsider.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
...I find it gross and disrespectful to impose our consciousness , our ****, our baggage on any animal. As if they extensions of our emotional body. We see animals as victims because we see ourselves that way. We see animals as wounded and suffering because we are--to the point we grieve and moan pre-kill over them.

Animals have not been innocent since we have been not innocent. We've corrupted them. We corrupt them still by imposing our consciousness on them...

The topic of projecting onto others (humans and animals) is quite an important one in my view since people do so (me likely included) without realising it or even having a clue of the existence of such a concept, unless they are very self-aware. And more often than not, I suspect, people aren't as self-aware as they think they are, which is a big part of our human condition.

The following is an excerpt from http://psitalent.de/Englisch/Atlantis.htm:

[...]

So, back to the topic contact. And to this an example:

A friend of mine has a big dog and she takes extensive care of him. Besides literature about dogs she also likes to look for the advice of dog-trainers, dog-doctors etc., in order to make everything right. The dog gets a lot of tenderness and also very much observation of her. Karin and I are however predominantly annoyed over this relationship and recently, we found out what’s the reason. What disturbs us so is that our friend doesn't have contact with the dog, no matter how intensively she cares about him.

Through the lacking contact, the following effect occurs: The other, in this case the dog, turns into the victim of projections. Dogs have a sensitive stomach, the doctor said ..... The uncertain dog-proprietress will project a big sensitive dog in the course of the time.

To come to the point: Whoever doesn't have contact lives in his projections and projects onto others. And no matter, whether the projections are good or bad for the other person, it disturbs the other person, to be or become itself. In this way parents harm their children if there is no contact. In this way therapists harm their patients if there is no contact. In this way everyone harms everyone for lack of contact.

I could often perceive that people projected their guru-ideas into my person. I clearly sensed how difficult it became for me just to be as natural as I want to be. Something squeezed me. I noticed myself giving them answers they longed to hear. I sensed more distance to myself and to the others. These were positive projections and some probably would have liked this condition. I felt unwell anyway and had a need, to get out of this.

[9eagle9]

An abduction attempt was made on me.

I say attempt because.....I am the stronger the entity because I'm not a victim. Ifone is abducted one is a victim.

When one is abducted they can decide to continue being a victim of abduction or the stronger entity. If they keep referring to themselves as an abuctee they are simply specializing the victim label.

I am not an abductee. So while i understand the peril involved in that energy I do not understand why people want to stay in that energy. No more than I can understand why someone wants to wave a prostetic leg around and keep telling the world they are an amputee instead of just putting the leg on and walking on it. One circumstance is the crutch of a victim, the other is support to a former victim.

Now the power that is granted is to the victim in acknowledging they were a victim of abduction. No one really gives a **** that there are people out there who know how not ot be victims of abduction. Which is a more desireable circumstance. Being abducted or not being abducted? One is empowerment , one is not.

How special is the victim. As long as we keep making the victim special the victim be special for a very long time. Not for anything they have done , merely for being a victim.

You can only bang the abduction drum for so long. Like any other victim drum it only varies on the details.

I am more concerned with myself hi jacking myself than something 'out there' hi jacking me.

Posted by wynderer (here)
yeah -- the 2 truths i've observed that really jerk on Human chains & set those denial mechanisms going on overdrive are :

1] Human cruelty to non-Human Animals , re which Observer recently pulled many dots together for me by explaining that the cruelty is part of a worldwide satanic blood ritual [likely the one that keeps most trapped in the karmic loop here]

2] Abductions

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There are no basic truths being kept from the masses. We may not be exposed to every detail and nuance but there are not 'basic' truths being hidden.

People don't want to hear about it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
yeah -- the 2 truths i've observed that really jerk on Human chains & set those denial mechanisms going on overdrive are :

1] Human cruelty to non-Human Animals , re which Observer recently pulled many dots together for me by explaining that the cruelty is part of a worldwide satanic blood ritual [likely the one that keeps most trapped in the karmic loop here]

2] Abductions

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There are no basic truths being kept from the masses. We may not be exposed to every detail and nuance but there are not 'basic' truths being hidden.

People don't want to hear about it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs

The depth of Number 1 must be decided at the individual level. I lean heavily towards the personal goal which would eliminate all meat from my personal diet. In fact, I have begun to do so as I have also begun this cleanse program recommended by Houman. I also sense it's a bit too idealistic to assume that what I believe true for me in this regard is necessarily a collective truth such that I should take the next step and assume others "should" share my view and especially idealistic that they do so immediately.

It is my guess that ultimately there may be a collective experience such that born on Earth humanity may reach the point where no animals are consumed by any amongst us. I also include the human as an animal in this regard.

In the meantime, I am taking steps to eliminate meat that has come from factories, to reduce the meats I do consume to less than once a day, to move towards a fish only meat and I will be very honest, this has so far been quite difficult for me to do.

Regarding Number 2 - Abductions - I include myself as an abductee. The experience I had when I was 6 years old was real and against my will. What else could you call it? The following 48 years after this experience I barely physically survived.

So regarding Number 1, I assume we all arrive at what is true for us individually. Perhaps the purists are the rightest and perhaps if we do not achieve a planet wide meat abstinence before the cosmos loses it's patience, we humans on earth may not survive (ourselves). I do not place much odds on this outcome but regardless I have my stated personal goal at the center of my current focus motivated first and foremost by something I cannot explain other than to say this is becoming the way I feel, personally, about the matter.

Regarding Number 2, abductions do happen. I believe the abduction stories of others. What might surprise some posters here are the number of folks that post on this forum that have had abduction experiences and yet never post about them. I know a few through meeting them on this forum. Some have achieved solutions to their abduction issues (at least up until now). Thanks to them I have been able to (for now) move past my own, personal abduction experiences and free myself such that I can focus better on being of assistance to others (the assistance not restricted to simply abduction experiences).

There are a plethora of other truths we might explore as well.

Thanks again Bill for your forum and Houman for this thread.

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
An abduction attempt was made on me.

I say attempt because.....I am the stronger the entity because I'm not a victim. Ifone is abducted one is a victim.

When one is abducted they can decide to continue being a victim of abduction or the stronger entity. If they keep referring to themselves as an abuctee they are simply specializing the victim label.

I am not an abductee. So while i understand the peril involved in that energy I do not understand why people want to stay in that energy. No more than I can understand why someone wants to wave a prostetic leg around and keep telling the world they are an amputee instead of just putting the leg on and walking on it. One circumstance is the crutch of a victim, the other is support to a former victim.

Now the power that is granted is to the victim in acknowledging they were a victim of abduction. No one really gives a **** that there are people out there who know how not ot be victims of abduction. Which is a more desireable circumstance. Being abducted or not being abducted? One is empowerment , one is not.

How special is the victim. As long as we keep making the victim special the victim be special for a very long time. Not for anything they have done , merely for being a victim.

You can only bang the abduction drum for so long. Like any other victim drum it only varies on the details.

I am more concerned with myself hi jacking myself than something 'out there' hi jacking me.

9eagle9

If one has been repeatedly abducted and has lost much on account of it, how does one stop further abductions from happening? And more importantly, how does one regain one's lost power?

[Chester]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
edit to add : those they can't wear down, they try to break down -- those they can't break down , they try to kill

And if they can't wear you down, break you down or kill you, they will go after your siblings, your parents, your gf/bf/wife/husband, your children, and yes, even your pets... but you are not powerless to protect them...

This morning I woke up with the following thought which disturbed me. Without going deeply into the story because I already posted about it in this thread, here was what crossed my mind this morning.

On the weekend of July 6, 7 and 8 I asked that the negative entity I believed I had been dealing with for years and years leave me. On July 9th at around 1:30 AM, moments after returning from a trip, I was viciously assaulted by the 65 year old woman whose home I had been living in just moments after I entered the home. The police came and took her to jail. While she was forced to lay down in the front yard with handcuffs on, my son, Reid, happened to drive by. Two days later, this same son went on a gun spree where he attempted to enforce someone's drug debt, held up a Whataburger (which he recently worked at) then went to a Walmart and followed someone home and attempted to rob them. All at gun point. A gun that someone had accidentally left in his car just a day or so before. Fortunately no shots were ever fired. Reid had never committed a violent act other than to defend himself once in a fight at school.

This morning when I awoke, I got this strange feeling that the entity I had asked to leave had somehow entered this woman (and combined forces with one or more already established demonic entities she clearly had) and that when my son passed by in his car, the entity jumped from her into my son.

My inner voice said to me that this is occurs when eye to eye contact is made.

In looking back, I had been able to change my energies over that prior weekend where the entity held within me had to leave. It chose the first viable host which I encountered and with whom I had made eye contact (the woman) who immediately changed from a reasonable state to an outright insane and violent state. I believe this entity first leapt out of me and into this woman and then leapt out of this woman and into my son.

This is what my inner voice conveyed to me this morning. Again, the inner voice said this was done through the eyes. My intuition believes this is true.

I would like to hear Houman's input in regards to what we can do to protect our families, our loved ones. If I had known what I could have done, perhaps what happened with this lady and my son may not have happened.

Strange world we live in - justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
Alien Abductee Portraits by Steven Hirsch

http://littlestickylegs.blogspot.fi/

to wynderer, if you read the link text you will realize this is people's abduction stories, in many ways no different in a general sense from yours.

Thank you, TheVoyager, for the link. justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by Gemini (here)
Thank you for your post 9eagle9. It gives me a lot to think about and to reconsider.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
...I find it gross and disrespectful to impose our consciousness , our ****, our baggage on any animal. As if they extensions of our emotional body. We see animals as victims because we see ourselves that way. We see animals as wounded and suffering because we are--to the point we grieve and moan pre-kill over them.

Animals have not been innocent since we have been not innocent. We've corrupted them. We corrupt them still by imposing our consciousness on them...

The topic of projecting onto others (humans and animals) is quite an important one in my view since people do so (me likely included) without realising it or even having a clue of the existence of such a concept, unless they are very self-aware. And more often than not, I suspect, people aren't as self-aware as they think they are, which is a big part of our human condition.

The following is an excerpt from http://psitalent.de/Englisch/Atlantis.htm:

[...]

So, back to the topic contact. And to this an example:

A friend of mine has a big dog and she takes extensive care of him. Besides literature about dogs she also likes to look for the advice of dog-trainers, dog-doctors etc., in order to make everything right. The dog gets a lot of tenderness and also very much observation of her. Karin and I are however predominantly annoyed over this relationship and recently, we found out what’s the reason. What disturbs us so is that our friend doesn't have contact with the dog, no matter how intensively she cares about him.

Through the lacking contact, the following effect occurs: The other, in this case the dog, turns into the victim of projections. Dogs have a sensitive stomach, the doctor said ..... The uncertain dog-proprietress will project a big sensitive dog in the course of the time.

To come to the point: Whoever doesn't have contact lives in his projections and projects onto others. And no matter, whether the projections are good or bad for the other person, it disturbs the other person, to be or become itself. In this way parents harm their children if there is no contact. In this way therapists harm their patients if there is no contact. In this way everyone harms everyone for lack of contact.

I could often perceive that people projected their guru-ideas into my person. I clearly sensed how difficult it became for me just to be as natural as I want to be. Something squeezed me. I noticed myself giving them answers they longed to hear. I sensed more distance to myself and to the others. These were positive projections and some probably would have liked this condition. I felt unwell anyway and had a need, to get out of this.

I agree, Gemini... one of the best comprehensive posts in the last several pages. I wish I had read it before making a few of my latest posts as I have already grown in my view development.

Thank you 9eagle9... and since I am addressing you. Thank You for posting points of view few here (including myself) have the bravery to post much less consider and in such depth. I know you make yourself a target sometimes but I hope you continue to post despite other posts that I have perceived were attacks on you. In fact, of all the posters I have come to know, been fortunate to create PM relationships with and a bit more, the one I have with you is quite special and I just wanted to state publicly my appreciation for you. - justoneman

[Hervé]

Posted by justoneman (here)
[...]

If I had known what I could do, perhaps what happened with this lady and my son may not have happened.

Strange world we live in - justoneman

I guess you didn't fully digest the content of this thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics nor Steve Richards' website: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html (especially the case studies) nor his interviews?

It's all there as well as the inconveniences of not getting the entity to acknowledge and abide by the superior law that bind them. I vaguely recall posting something about reading them their "Miranda"...

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
[...]

If I had known what I could do, perhaps what happened with this lady and my son may not have happened.

Strange world we live in - justoneman

I guess you didn't fully digest the content of this thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics nor Steve Richards' website: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html (especially the case studies) nor his interviews?

It's all there as well as the inconveniences of not getting the entity to acknowledge and abide by the superior law that bind them. I vaguely recall posting something about reading them their "Miranda"...

Indeed you did Amzer Zo... and if you recall, I stated I was leaning towards delving into this specific process. But the process is not laid out in a fashion I was able to follow in a step by step fashion that I was able to find. If Steve Richards would do so, I would have possibly been able to accomplish the goal prior to the events which occured only days after you made this direct recommendation to me.

I have more than once gone to the links. I could not understand the video. And I never was able to pick up a step by step process within any of the materials.

I have since acquired a book recommended by Houman called The Practical Psychic Self-Defense Handbook and am about 1/4th the way through a contemplative, thorough read (and taking notes).

I am very grateful for your personal attention and PMs along the way... but you know this. justoneman

ahh and I should add that just a week after the two incidents I wrote about above, I was able to hook up with what I would certainly call a real "shaman" who I also happened to meet on this forum. From the day she assisted me with a final removal of the pesky critter, I have had an amazingly smooth experience. And note further that it was just three days after she performed this removal that I learned of my son's issues. I was able to help him through his circumstances such that he turned himself in before he was ever even charged (and before anyone else did the same). If I had not dealt with this entity, I have no doubt I would not have been able to help Reid like I did. Thank You again, Avalon and the person who helped me (you know who you are).

[observer]

I am compelled to make a clarification here.

The very personal story I told in comment #1624 was an anecdote intended to give greater understanding regarding the ritualistic nature of the act of eating meat. I clearly stated in that comment:

Posted by observer (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see full content of observer's comment #1624.

[....snip]
"My point has been, since my first comment regarding eating the flesh of a beast: this is all part of a sacrifice ritual - whether you want to believe this or not. I brought this up as a discussion regarding how we are all controlled - through ritual - by an archonic hyperdimensional presence. One can make-up all sorts of rationalizations to justify why you are participating in this ritual. The bottom line is that you ARE participating in a ritual." (emphasis added)

That comment WAS NOT about "HUNTING".

It was a comment regarding the ritualistic nature of what one is doing when participating in the meat eating ceremony.

Houman clearly understood the point I was making when he replied in comment #1629:

Posted by Houman (here)
I share observer's opinion/experience that if we were to not only slaughter what we eat but also, perhaps, raise it and help deliver it, we would see things differently...

We live in such a fake/artificial environment that we have (perhaps by design) lost our most of our humanity and we have dulled our senses to avoid hearing our souls screaming at us (sometimes these souls take extreme measures such as an accident or a disease to get our attention)... "hollow shells" is the term used in the Hopi prophecies for what we are being turned into... and "demons" is the term used by satanists for what we are being turned into in societies engineered by them (yes, this is their intent (make us part of that hierarchy but at the lowest levels), and this is what we slowly turn into by shutting our connection with our souls).

This connection uses the language of the heart: empathy, with it you will feel what others feel, not only humans but also animals, you will also perceive their thoughts in a primitive form...
It is our lack of empathy (and the resulting compassion) that has brought us to the edge of destruction...

[....snip]

There are other members replying to my comments in this thread and convoluting my words into meanings that were never intended when I made the comment.

This 'meat eating' issue IS NOT about vegetarianism v. carnivorism. One can place all the 'spin' on my words that one desires. Rationalizations regarding your personal preferences is NOT what my comments were intended to solicited.

This is a thread about archonic influence on the human condition. Ritual is the foundation of how the Mass of Humanity is manipulated by these archonic hyperdimensional entities.

The bottom line in this regard is: eating meat is a blood sacrifice ritual.

End of story....

[Flash]

I do not know whom you are aiming at, but I can tell you my comments were not aiming at you at all Observer, I had understood your point, maybe others had not..

However, I remain on my point as well, living up north of the planet, not eating meat was equal to death. Was it archonic rituals?? Nowadays, it may, but for Inuits, who still do not have much access to vegetables and grains (they do not grow up north), are they doing blood sacrifice rituals?? Blood sacrifice while respecting the kill and being appreciative of life given, yes, but archonistic ritual, I have problem to see it for Inuits. For southerners however, very little meat, if any, is necessary (i follow more in 9eagle9 point of view in those terms personnally) and in those terms, you are right, we have worldwide massive blood ritual - without period (I see some exceptions)

[9eagle9]

OMG...I think I have shown and described a thousand times in this very forum the measures taken, to abate this sort of thing. I know I posted the initialization process just a few pages back in this very thread.

This is what I mean when I say, there are no secrets, people just don't care. Because they don't want to notice the solutions.... they fool themselves into thinking they don't exist.

The thread on Holographic Kinetics is good place to start--out of many. It's right here in the forum, its not hidden, its not deceptive, the person who posted it isn't a celebrity, or otherwise inaccessible. Or secret, or occult. So what is the excuse? We ignore it or otherwise don't notice it because......why? We are deflected from that sort of thing. It doesn't apply to us does it? We're special.

I was deflected from the thread ONLY because it had the word holograph in it--I figured it was an cersize in playing one's own illusion- ****. Finally the OP contacted me and drew my attention to it . But I had to be willing to go there and I seen things I already knew...and a few I didn't . No reason to resist it, after all what it deals with has nothing to do with me as I AM, but quite a lot to do with 'who I am seduced into thinking I am'.

Doing that sort of work. Or work similar to it as HK appears to be composed of many facets. Anyone of those facets can begin a journey of SELF discovery. Having a facilitator to guide you through it. They point, you dig. You hit a root, they help you pull it up and then dispose of it.

Power is not stolen, its only the perception of stolen power through smoke and mirrors. To convince one that one does not have empowerment. One's power is not out there, it's inside whether its an abductor or an angel. . You have to go inside and be very HONEST with yourself about what you are finding there. Why are you feeling the way that you are feeling, challenging all your thoughts, acknowledging patterns in your life. People who are abducted repeatedly are experiencing a pattern.

They continue to be abducted....or they keep hi-jacking. Ever been in panic mode? You're hi-jacked. Frozen with fear? You are hi-jacked. Keep experiencing the same low form emotions all the time. You're high jacked.

No loss of power just the inability to express one's own power--which prevented me from being abducted.

If this pattern is specializing us how willing are we going to be to give it up?

Would I post on this forum that I was in bed with five guys who all had stds and were raping me repeatedly and attempt to make it sound like I have some irresistible something that no one else has.

If I did, what would you say to me?

YOU NEED HELP!!!

A victim is always getting something out of the victim relationship. What is it? They are special, not through empowerment, but through dis-empowerment.

They get attention. Because some off planet entity stuck a prod up their arse they are suddenly more special than the people who haven't . I'm not more special than someone who has been hi-jacked, or not hi-jacked---I just KNOW myself better. KNOWING my SELF, my essential true nature lurking behind me CAN come forward at times of crisis.


Most people's essential (essence) cannot because they don't know it. Or allow it.Even if it did express, they wouldn't know it. They are seduced by programming that tells them who to think they are. Where their power is. How can anyone be empowered by perpetrating the notion they are an abductee?

That is like saying "I'm raped, I'm violated, I'm better than everyone else" No you are violated and attempting to make it a grand admirable thing. "My abuser thinks I'm worthy of notice" because no one else has or does<<<<<Right there is the artificial program that needs to come out. the trauma wound. You are invisible to the rest of the world, but someone out there noticed you. The abuser is then made out to be more powerful and better than everyone else, therefore has power over everyone, but because they noticed me....singled me out....I'm special. That powerful thing noticed me while I ignore the power that I am.

If I work with an abductee I'd acknowledge that they were hi-jacked either by themselves or some other influence LONG before the actual abduction took place. I'd know that. The hard part is getting them to know it. Watch and see how much resistance I get to what I'm saying.


The abduction is just the end result of the hi-jacking not the actual problem. People who experience parasitical influence ARE abducted, the mind is taken well before the physical abduction. The physical part of it is just part of that. If you have power over your mind, you cannot be abducted. There are plenty of hi-jacked people who have never been physically taken.

Accept how one feels about that instead of deflecting it off into 'special' and 'victim' including the language one uses...I'm an abductee. That perpetrates the program running.

I would no more use that language than I allow people to really reinforce the more flattering titles-- I am a shaman and a medicine woman or or an equestrian. I know myself that is not who I am that is an expression of my SELF that one moves in and out very easily, so I am experiencing all parts of myself, and can comfortably assume a short term role of dishwasher, and vaccumer. Just empty titles. They are facets, that are part of my totality but they would be limiting if I did not know all of myself or as much as I can know. They are expressions not words. I can show you what shaman is as easily as I can show you me vaccuming and I think nothing of switching in between the two. One is not better than the other, they are just words to describe something that I can demonstrate to another.

What I know of myself is not by what I'm told to think or what I might think of myself it is what I can show and demonstrate. You have to KNOW yourself. Who I am is demonstrated in every level of my existence from the way I look to the expressions that come from me, or what effects my presence prompts in another person. Sometimes, Often times I'm not effecting people, I am triggering who they really aren't. Their pseudo installation.

If spoke continuously to people from my artificial mind, I'd speak of only mowing the lawn and the price of hay, and horses and ogling the farrier. I'm very limited there, it doesn't know much. It hasn't been educated as much as other minds, it has no intelligence whatsoever.


What we think we know about ourselves is what we know about the artificial installations running in our heads. We have no control over that until we clean ourselves of it. It is just energy, with density loaded in it. Clean out the density and it will be a clearer energy. There is no smoke and mirrors left to hide **** behind, little entry doors and avenues of intrusion hidden away from our conscious notice. If all this crap is contained in our consciousness how are we going to be conscious of it? Hiding in plain sight.

In knowing yourself you have to KNOW....(and be willing to confront)

.... where has your mind been hi-jacked.

In childhood? In other lives? There is where I would go, examine it, allow the feelings associated with it, pull it out by the roots and whatever parasitical influence is attached to it, make the appropriate arrangements to dispose of it, and then is when the avenues of abduction are shut down--whether they are physical or ....mental. You cannot have one without the other.

You have to separate consciousness from awareness, make that division in consciousness so you feel the divide-- HOW you are divided. One part of us is thumping along all unaffected by this ****, and we have to bring that part forward to BE unaffected--by anything--instead of burying it under artifical emotions and thoughts. How do I survive 2000 pound horses falling on me weekly? For that matter why do I have a pattern of horses falling on me?

The other part of yourself, your compromised consciousness which actually belongs to them, would fold you over a bench and let you take it up the ass. Because it is NOT a part of you.

We can't separate from our consciousness, we keep thinking who we are is what we are feeling and thinking, and that is NOT who we are. That is who THEY are.

I think I am a victim. How does a victim feel? Violated, disempowered, frustrated, angry, depressed, sad, helpless unable to empower changes into one's life. Do we cover that up by turning all that horrible stuff into 'special' or do we just feel it and then feeling it allows it to release. Or do we keep returning to that feeling/thought and wallow in and remind ourselves we are a victim.

You have to confront your mind. If you are believing everything your mind thinks, then you are already hi-jacked and abducted.

Every person's experience is different and every person who has been hi-jacked is facilitated in a different way. The only common denominator is ...the willingness to accept this about ourselves and then do something about it.

Managing your thoughts and your emotions. They are connected to each other. All emotions have an attached thought and vice versa.

When one reacts emotionally pause and ask one's self why am I reacting that way.

Why am I feeling this way.

If I am empowered why am I hurt over this.

People often (yes believe it or not) tell me I'm too nice. I'm not. People confuse non reaction with nice. So I respond to something instead of reacting to it. If I cannot summon a RESPONSE (which is what responsibility is based on) I will get say I don't how I feel or think about that I will get back to you later.

Re-action is based on re-acting out the same old trauma over and over again.

What are my eyes seeing? Do I believe what they are showing me. What am I hearing, do I embrace it or is it meaningless. Challenging our perceptions in every way they come into us instead of just going by how we feel , and think which often times is not our feelings or thoughts at all.

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
An abduction attempt was made on me.

I say attempt because.....I am the stronger the entity because I'm not a victim. Ifone is abducted one is a victim.

When one is abducted they can decide to continue being a victim of abduction or the stronger entity. If they keep referring to themselves as an abuctee they are simply specializing the victim label.

I am not an abductee. So while i understand the peril involved in that energy I do not understand why people want to stay in that energy. No more than I can understand why someone wants to wave a prostetic leg around and keep telling the world they are an amputee instead of just putting the leg on and walking on it. One circumstance is the crutch of a victim, the other is support to a former victim.

Now the power that is granted is to the victim in acknowledging they were a victim of abduction. No one really gives a **** that there are people out there who know how not ot be victims of abduction. Which is a more desireable circumstance. Being abducted or not being abducted? One is empowerment , one is not.

How special is the victim. As long as we keep making the victim special the victim be special for a very long time. Not for anything they have done , merely for being a victim.

You can only bang the abduction drum for so long. Like any other victim drum it only varies on the details.

I am more concerned with myself hi jacking myself than something 'out there' hi jacking me.

9eagle9

If one has been repeatedly abducted and has lost much on account of it, how does one stop further abductions from happening? And more importantly, how does one regain one's lost power?

[Chester]

To Amzer Zo - I decided I am dropping everything else and going back to the beginning of the Steve Richards material and going through each and every bit of it.

I am doing so in honor of all the heart you have devoted to us here on Avalon as well as because of all your direct help to me. I also believe in you in that you are making a wise recommendation (and have done so many times).

Thank You for bringing this once again to my attention.

I will post my progress and results.

justoneman