Alex Jones Anti-ZeitGeist Rants Debunked by Peter Joseph? Aug 15th 2012

[ExomatrixTV]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9cDnEZUVDk

~Alex DOES give solutions ... and has many annoying flaws ... but 1 thing NOBODY can deny ... Alex Jones has woken up most people on the Whole Planet ever, he is a living legend with narrow-mined & limited views on the topics like UFOs because he must show to others how "Good Christian" he is. Meanwhile on Coast to Coast George Noory Show Alex admitted he is fascinated & very interested in UFOs for a long long time but does NOT have the "luxury" to be 100% honest about it. Sad :|


cheers,
John

[nottelling]

Alex Jones is an idol of mine.

One day, I hope to be able to tell everyone just HOW MUCH I have done for the cause of freedom in America - repeatedly, every single time I open my mouth - and have them believe me. Self-promotion isn't a strong point of mine since I've never really cared for show ponies, but since I need to up my exposure just a little bit, I'm watching and learning from Alex Jones... biased opinion presented as 100% verified fact is just the start.

People will fight for my honour in flame wars all over the internet. I'll have a bit of a chuckle to myself and go back to counting my cash.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9cDnEZUVDk

~Alex DOES give solutions ... and has many annoying flaws ... but 1 thing NOBODY can deny ... Alex Jones has woken up most people on the Whole Planet ever, he is a living legend with narrow-mined & limited views on the topics like UFOs because he must show to others how "Good Christian" he is. Meanwhile on Coast to Coast George Noory Show Alex admitted he is fascinated & very interested in UFOs for a long long time but does NOT have the "luxury" to be 100% honest about it. Sad :|


cheers,
John

When I listen to Peter Joseph's words I feel ashamed that I listen to the Alex Jones show almost everyday. I believe that Peter Joseph is right about Alex Jones' cognitive pathology. I think he also happens to be a pathological liar and he is definitely a chronic exaggerator. It's just that he covers current events more than any other conspiracy researcher that I know about. Start your own radio show peter! I'd listen to it!

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

I remember when Jones bashed Icke all the time - and when that bridge was gapped it was like magic!

I wish Alex and Peter would also bridge this gap - I believe BOTH Alex and Peter have ego's that need looking at - and if they cut the pissing competition, man it would be best for all.

Alex has the religious stigma - but Icke seemed to reach him. Agree to disagree, and Peter - as much as I love you man, you just have to give Jones a little more respect in the fact he has been doing this longer than you.

I bet that's all Alex wants anyway - Just a show of appreciation...

[gripreaper]

Alex Jones is still no Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper was the best.

[David Trd1]

Ive been stumped by alex for quite some time as many have.

Answers ly with-in,but in the case of AJ i felt the need to email someone in the alternative media community(someone you ALL know)about Mr jones just to get a more informed up to date and insider opinion on the man.I must say i value highly and trust this persons insight through the work they have presented and in the manner it has been done.

This is what i was told ''All the indications are that he is on a payroll somewhere''

I think he has been positioned as a gatekeeper/opener depending on the strength of the mind and curiosity of the person involved.He gives some good information if one filters out the noise,but he will channel that interest away from things that reach outside the paradigm as it were if said people are not careful.This is dangerous.

However i think if one can traverse AJ`s information with an open mind still intact on many subjects he can only augment the true truth-seekers path towards discovery and enlightenment about the world we live in.He shakes a lot of people awake and for that he should be regarded even if he is working for an agenda.

Like with anything discernment is key to be able to decipher the wood from the chaff.

Peace.

[jackovesk]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9cDnEZUVDk

~Alex DOES give solutions ... and has many annoying flaws ... but 1 thing NOBODY can deny ... Alex Jones has woken up most people on the Whole Planet ever, he is a living legend with narrow-mined & limited views on the topics like UFOs because he must show to others how "Good Christian" he is. Meanwhile on Coast to Coast George Noory Show Alex admitted he is fascinated & very interested in UFOs for a long long time but does NOT have the "luxury" to be 100% honest about it. Sad :|

cheers,
John

When I listen to Peter Joseph's words I feel ashamed that I listen to the Alex Jones show almost everyday. I believe that Peter Joseph is right about Alex Jones' cognitive pathology. I think he also happens to be a pathological liar and he is definitely a chronic exaggerator. It's just that he covers current events more than any other conspiracy researcher that I know about. Start your own radio show peter! I'd listen to it!

You ratbag AlternativeInfoJunkie...

Because of your commentary, I forced myself to watch the entire 8.53 min clip...

How many times do we see 'Bitch Sessions' coming from someone who has a beef with Alex..?!

What really concerned me was just how easy it was for you to be 'Manipulated'...

I feel ashamed that I listen to the Alex Jones show almost everyday

Why did you say that...

I believe that Peter Joseph is right about Alex Jones' cognitive pathology.

Your commentary 'above' rendered me absolutely speechless, however there is an icon I use in such cases...

As for "What Solutions does Alex provide..?"

I know of plenty because I 'Actually' listen to Alex's show everyday, and believe you me if I thought for '1 Second' Alex was 'Guilty' of what Peter Joseph accused him of, I'd drop him like a hot potato..! Just as I did with 'Rand Paul'...

If someone ever abuses my 'Trust' - That's it - Never again...

I think he also happens to be a pathological liar and he is definitely a chronic exaggerator

Known Liar...

Prone to exaggerate... As any 'Passionate Truthseeker' who has to fill a 3 - 4 hour show with content, may tend to exaggerate at times just like any radio show host does...

I don't mean to belittle you AlternativeInfoJunkie...

I'd just like you to "Please Explain"..?

[Star Tsar]

I just love what Alex says about our destiny & I have felt the same for the longest time....

[sdv]

Seems that Peter Joseph does have a radio show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4YvXJXRmm44

Alex Jones has always reminded me of a conservative ranting charismatic gun-toting preacher - all opinion and bluster and no substance. However, I do enjoy it when he goes to the Bilderberg meetings and makes a complete nuisance of himself!

[taurad]

i don't know either-or's background/agenda

what i know is a perception of their work...

my problem with Alex Jones is his (lack of) solution to the problem...that is help from GOD...the force i still don't know, and haven't met yet, despite the thoroughly search in my 40 years in this planet...i want to, but i can't seem to locate it...simple as that.

thousands (the least) of years of prayer, and look @ this planet...by now several things should have been CRISTAL CLEAR!!! but not so much...humans still don't know whether, they come into this world from their mommy and daddy's "little drunk party", or from the divine will...



Peter Joseph is an atheist...i grew up as one...THERE IS NO SUCH THING...

it's just a delusional label we desperately CRAVE to embrace in spite of stupid, ignorant secular religious pressure around us, some of it truly disgusting and perverse form of oppression, conscious and/or subconscious

his solution, innovative, inspirational @ times, yet idealistic, unproven, easily perceivable as sci-fi...

and didn't he lose his main architect for this project, broke up with Jacque Fresco??? how is he going to "build" his "house" without his "engineer"?

[wynderer]

i admire Alex, for the truths he has been working to get out for so long, & for his activism -- he has a lot of energy , Texas -style, & , i'd say, a lot of testosterone, which he's using in a good cause --

how many of you criticizing him have stood & shouted at various NWO figureheads thru a bullhorn?

[christian]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sO73deKNAWQ

Here is the original interview. I heard it before, I think it's interesting and utterly revealing

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

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Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X9cDnEZUVDk

~Alex DOES give solutions ... and has many annoying flaws ... but 1 thing NOBODY can deny ... Alex Jones has woken up most people on the Whole Planet ever, he is a living legend with narrow-mined & limited views on the topics like UFOs because he must show to others how "Good Christian" he is. Meanwhile on Coast to Coast George Noory Show Alex admitted he is fascinated & very interested in UFOs for a long long time but does NOT have the "luxury" to be 100% honest about it. Sad :|

cheers,
John

When I listen to Peter Joseph's words I feel ashamed that I listen to the Alex Jones show almost everyday. I believe that Peter Joseph is right about Alex Jones' cognitive pathology. I think he also happens to be a pathological liar and he is definitely a chronic exaggerator. It's just that he covers current events more than any other conspiracy researcher that I know about. Start your own radio show peter! I'd listen to it!

You ratbag AlternativeInfoJunkie...

Because of your commentary, I forced myself to watch the entire 8.53 min clip...

How many times do we see 'Bitch Sessions' coming from someone who has a beef with Alex..?!

What really concerned me was just how easy it was for you to be 'Manipulated'...

I feel ashamed that I listen to the Alex Jones show almost everyday

Why did you say that...

I believe that Peter Joseph is right about Alex Jones' cognitive pathology.

Your commentary 'above' rendered me absolutely speechless, however there is an icon I use in such cases...

As for "What Solutions does Alex provide..?"

I know of plenty because I 'Actually' listen to Alex's show everyday, and believe you me if I thought for '1 Second' Alex was 'Guilty' of what Peter Joseph accused him of, I'd drop him like a hot potato..! Just as I did with 'Rand Paul'...

If someone ever abuses my 'Trust' - That's it - Never again...

I think he also happens to be a pathological liar and he is definitely a chronic exaggerator

Known Liar...

Prone to exaggerate... As any 'Passionate Truthseeker' who has to fill a 3 - 4 hour show with content, may tend to exaggerate at times just like any radio show host does...

I don't mean to belittle you AlternativeInfoJunkie...

I'd just like you to "Please Explain"..?

Ok Jack,

I really like a lot of things about alex jones. Maybe it will be easier if I make a list:

-I like the production quality of his videos.
-I like that he covers current events more than any other conspiracy researcher.
-I agree with him when he talks about the depopulation plan of the PTB (I agree that they have one. And an aggressive one at that).
-I happen to be very fond of Alex Jones and love when he bares his heart and soul to wake people up in his emotional rants.
-I totally agree with him on gun control and I am glad that we have someone brave like him in the alternative community who is willing to speak out about the suspicious nature of recent shootings in the US. It takes guts because people want to paint you as insensitive for not agreeing with stricter gun control after horrific shootings like the ones we've seen in the last few months.

When I hear Peter Joseph speak it reminds me of how offended I was when I heard that interview a few years ago with Peter Joseph on the Alex Jones show. Peter was being totally respectful and was treated with blatant disrespect and had to put up with the childlike temper of Alex Jones. One thing that really sticks in my head is this time I was trying to help my friend along in his awakening process. He was a big Zeitgeist fan so I would send him various other alternative media videos including alex jones videos. I would say "check out this Alex Jones video" and he would say "I don't like that guy. Did you hear the way he treated Peter Joseph?". Talking with my friend made me realize how detrimental that interview (argument) was to the truth movement and I mainly attribute the divisive nature of that interview to Alex Jones.

I have a lot of respect for Alex Jones. He has been a huge part of my awakening. I just hate the way he handles certain situations. When he treats other members of the truth community the way he does he creates division. When he exaggerates the way he does he makes the information less credible to the skeptics.

I also disagree with his stance on illegal immigration and I hate the way he covers it on his show. It is one of the most divisive issues and in my opinion he gets people too riled up about it.

LIKE I SAID: I listen to Alex Jones all the time and I think there is a lot of value in his show. However I don't feel like I can't call him on his faults and point out the things I disagree with him about just because he is one of the biggest names in the truth movement. There are quite a few issues that I disagree with Peter Joseph on (probably more than Alex Jones!). That being said Peter Joseph does have the moral high ground (IMO) because he has always been respectful to Alex except in retaliation against Alex's disrespect.

I wish the Alex Jones fans and the Zeitgeist fans could unite and I think it would be a lot easier for them to do that if the their respective leaders would make peace for the greater good of the truth movement.

In my opinion, from what I have heard from both sides, Alex seems to be the one who is the most against making peace.

P.S.

By pathological liar I mean he exaggerates to make people understand the gravity of certain situations and a lot of the time might not even know he is doing it (hence the pathological part). Usually he is right that these situations need to be taken with more seriousness, however I believe his message loses credibility when he does this. Basically I am saying that he is a pathological liar but for admirable reasons.

If that makes sense.

No hard feelings Jack. I am glad you asked for an explanation because it would have sounded like I hate Alex Jones otherwise. My fault on that one.





PPS
I happen to agree with Alex Jones in the interview posted by Christian (thank you for that Christian) way more than Peter Joseph. I just hate the way Alex goes about making his points!

[Nickolai]

Someone ones said here that they would prefer Alex Jones as the US president....
Well, people be aware of you are asking for. He looks like fascist indeed, and his mental state is really questionable. He has no understanding of etics and the art of communication.
If he is in power, lots of heads will be off.

He is dangerous man!

[gooty64]

If I had to pick between the two I would take Joseph.

Joseph is playing for a whole new ballgame while Jones wants to win at the old ballgame.

Some day a girl will come along and start something brand new and no one will listen to these goobers anymore.

PS Joseph may be a good assistant, sort of like a first husband.

[Star Tsar]

OMG I listened to the full interview and 1 hour and 47 minutes of battling for dominance of opinion jeez these guys are not being the change they wanna see two incredibly powerful minds and all they do is waste their time fighting when the are both spot on, on most topics just imagine the PROGRESS they could make if they actually laid down thier verbal arms worked TOGETHER on a project.....

DAMN

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Peter Joseph really spells it out. His view on Alex Jones does ring bells with me. He does say Alex never gives solutions , just fear. This is not really great reporting. He also undisputedly points out Alex jones has been pathalogically lying about re education. Peter made a valind point that Alex skewed into something he can use against him and Alex relies on peoples stupidity to perpetuate it by not SEEING the truth before us.

I used to watcxh Alex from time to time but now i think ill watch something else instead. He has an agenda and its not for us. I remember seeing him with Partor Lindasy , and he stated the PTB mentioned him in a meeting , Alex's reaction was one of restrained jubilation. He admires these people in power , he wants to be one of them secretly. I think Alex is a time bomb .

[jackovesk]

Posted by Nickolai (here)
Someone ones said here that they would prefer Alex Jones as the US president....
Well, people be aware of you are asking for. He looks like fascist indeed, and his mental state is really questionable. He has no understanding of etics and the art of communication.
If he is in power, lots of heads will be off.

He is dangerous man!

Nickolai - Nickolai - Nickolai

[Dennis Leahy]

This was not a fair fight!

Both have big egos, but the issue brought up in the video in the OP is not egos clashing: the issue is integrity.

Alex is emotion, peppered with truth, half-truth, and lies (yes, no matter how much we like how he screams at the bad guys, altering the truth to create a perception that is a false perception is lying.)

Joseph is intellect, with a weakness of a lack of understanding that humanity does not (or never has) moved in the kind of leaps he proposes, and that a percentage, (I'd guess at least 30% to 50%) are (and will be) unwilling to go along with any sort of pure socialism, regardless how fair, regardless if the standard of living for everyone is raised.

Alex is, for lack of a better phrase, a wannabee "Tyrannical Libertarian." Joseph is, for lack of a better phrase, a "Utopian Socialist." I actually agree with pieces of each of their philosophies, and don't believe either one has a vision that would actually work. Peter overlooks all the selfish people already in existence. People that want "property" and "stuff" and "things", and will work hard their entire lives to get it and enjoy it. They aren't going away in a poof, and won't acquiesce to the level of sharing that Peter espouses. Alex's vision (if he is not a shill¹), is not visionary, it is pragmatic: defeat the NWO and stop their interference in our lives - our God-given, Texas-tinged, Libertarian lives. Yeee Haaaa!

Interestingly, when I was writing/compiling/editing The Reset Button, after fascism/corporatism is defeated, the clash between a Libertarian-Capitalist mindset and a Democratic-Socialist mindset was one of the more difficult topics to offer a possible solution to. Somehow, the inspiration came to me that they can coexist, and have been coexisting (but out-of-balance), and that the logical dividing line could become "needs versus desires." That leaves room for those that want to work hard and accumulate and wallow in stuff, and leaves room for a state of basic sharing that would take the drudgery and slavery out of life for everyone. [Sorry for the digression, but it was at least tangential to the topic.]

¹ (I am still not sure if Alex is a shill/gatekeeper, or if he is merely afraid of AIPAC and Mossad and the Israeli government. If he directed the same vitriol that he has for the NWO and US government onto the Israeli government, I believe he would disappear from the airwaves - maybe even disappear from his living, breathing body.)

Dennis

[jackovesk]

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

Ok Jack,

I really like a lot of things about alex jones. Maybe it will be easier if I make a list:

-I like the production quality of his videos.
-I like that he covers current events more than any other conspiracy researcher.
-I agree with him when he talks about the depopulation plan of the PTB (I agree that they have one. And an aggressive one at that).
-I happen to be very fond of Alex Jones and love when he bares his heart and soul to wake people up in his emotional rants.
-I totally agree with him on gun control and I am glad that we have someone brave like him in the alternative community who is willing to speak out about the suspicious nature of recent shootings in the US. It takes guts because people want to paint you as insensitive for not agreeing with stricter gun control after horrific shootings like the ones we've seen in the last few months.

When I hear Peter Joseph speak it reminds me of how offended I was when I heard that interview a few years ago with Peter Joseph on the Alex Jones show. Peter was being totally respectful and was treated with blatant disrespect and had to put up with the childlike temper of Alex Jones. One thing that really sticks in my head is this time I was trying to help my friend along in his awakening process. He was a big Zeitgeist fan so I would send him various other alternative media videos including alex jones videos. I would say "check out this Alex Jones video" and he would say "I don't like that guy. Did you hear the way he treated Peter Joseph?". Talking with my friend made me realize how detrimental that interview (argument) was to the truth movement and I mainly attribute the divisive nature of that interview to Alex Jones.

I have a lot of respect for Alex Jones. He has been a huge part of my awakening. I just hate the way he handles certain situations. When he treats other members of the truth community the way he does he creates division. When he exaggerates the way he does he makes the information less credible to the skeptics.

I also disagree with his stance on illegal immigration and I hate the way he covers it on his show. It is one of the most divisive issues and in my opinion he gets people too riled up about it.

LIKE I SAID: I listen to Alex Jones all the time and I think there is a lot of value in his show. However I don't feel like I can't call him on his faults and point out the things I disagree with him about just because he is one of the biggest names in the truth movement. There are quite a few issues that I disagree with Peter Joseph on (probably more than Alex Jones!). That being said Peter Joseph does have the moral high ground (IMO) because he has always been respectful to Alex except in retaliation against Alex's disrespect.

I wish the Alex Jones fans and the Zeitgeist fans could unite and I think it would be a lot easier for them to do that if the their respective leaders would make peace for the greater good of the truth movement.

In my opinion, from what I have heard from both sides, Alex seems to be the one who is the most against making peace.

P.S.

By pathological liar I mean he exaggerates to make people understand the gravity of certain situations and a lot of the time might not even know he is doing it (hence the pathological part). Usually he is right that these situations need to be taken with more seriousness, however I believe his message loses credibility when he does this. Basically I am saying that he is a pathological liar but for admirable reasons.

If that makes sense.

No hard feelings Jack. I am glad you asked for an explanation because it would have sounded like I hate Alex Jones otherwise. My fault on that one.

PPS
I happen to agree with Alex Jones in the interview posted by Christian (thank you for that Christian) way more than Peter Joseph. I just hate the way Alex goes about making his points!

Thanks for taking the time to reply AlternativeInfoJunkie,

That clears up alot of questions I would have asked...

More importantly Thanks for taking on my 'Please Explain' challenge in the true spirit it was meant...

Re: Peter Joseph

I missed that interview he had with Alex...

I never quite understood what all the fuss was about regarding the Zeitgeist film...

To me it had nothing new in it, basically just some regergitated info that had already been brought into the Truthseekers awareness some time ago...

What concerned me more than anything else was 'WHY..?' Did an average film get so much exposure in the 1st place..?

To me Peter Joseph was the one who uneccessarily took what seemed like a 'Storm in a Tea Cup' disagreement and made it into a bigger deal than it should of been..!

Peter Joseph also reminds me of one of those 'Slick' Leftoid Politicians Who never raises their voice, always remaining 'Calm' in a conflict and has an overwhelming 'I'm just Smarter than You' type complex that oozes that 'Parrot Type' Controlled-Opposition (GroupSpeak) that is funded by the PTW/Globalist Elite...

These are the type of emotionless individuals who worry me the most...