Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Rocky_Shorz]

just wanted to add...

what are you doing laying in the sun right now?

this is coming in now, if you are like me, you felt the 33 flares that happened in 24 hours and each one rocked you...

[ulli]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by ulli
The essence of the Bahai is called Progressive Revelation...
it is taken as a given that the seeker had already done his yoga classes (Hinduism),
done his consciousness raising and ego-overcoming, (Buddhism)
done his lessons in self-sacrifice for the greater body, (Christianity),
done his collective herd religion (like Islam which took him from fierce Bedouin desert nomad to Rumi and Sufism)
and now the final step is the small community, freed from blood relationships, but even crossing all racial barriers.
and accepting all of humanity into the home for cookies.
Small intimate communities, like the early Christians, where the love is so powerful that at the end no one even remembers which coat was theirs,
or which pair of shoes...when it is time to leave the place.
And with such an attitude the synchronicities multiply to the point that they can no longer be computed...
that is the desired goal for humanity. To be as one soul....united in love for Source...

I love this, just love this. There is a time and place for everything and everyone.

Sierra

You just want to exchange cookie recipes, don't you?
But that's what the unification of mankind boils down to in the end.
Especially the interracial stuff....so many African Americans had jobs because of quota legislation,
and PC meant that whites had to drop their racial prejudice and get along with the brothers...
but after work they each went home to their own neighborhoods.

Only in the Bahai homes was there any real integration of native Americans, Caucasians, Hispanics, African Americans and Asians.
And it was endless potluck meals, endless parties, called Feasts, in different homes, and all the talk was about hey, what's in these cookies? (pasta dish, curry, cake) and how did you make this lemonade?
Amazing diversity. And I miss that.

[ulli]

Posted by Marianne (here)
I have an energy healing request. My friend T has had a spinal curvature all her life and has been in pain most days. She had hope for a surgical procedure to alleviate the curvature and hopefully the pain, but found out today that it's too risky and may not help the problem. She's feeling low.

I told her there are other reasons for hope besides surgery. She is thinking she'll go with osteopathic manipulation and that seems a good choice to relieve pain.

I'm asking friends here on the forum to send her healing energy to help her condition and help her see a reason to believe in something more than the physical aspects she can see. She said okay to this.

Thanks so much,
Marianne

Sending her massages and stretches in a hot tub.

[Eram]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
just wanted to add...

what are you doing laying in the sun right now?

this is coming in now, if you are like me, you felt the 33 flares that happened in 24 hours and each one rocked you...

LOL

Will you believe that I was having similar thoughts when I was tossing and turning in my bed and thought of your posts about the sun in the 'what's up' thread


Thanks for the kick in the but Ulli.
I'll take it to heart, but will a new attitude take the strange reactions to the sun away?
I know I have to many balls in the air .
I feel a bit like a kid in a candy store now that I finally seek to bring balance in my energies and I should take it down a few nudges.

Thanks for the accupressure links Nora. I will look into them.

@ marianne... I will send the best vibrations suitable to your friend.

[Jenci]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
Anyone here up for a riddle to sink his/hers teeth in?

* When I lay in the sun for a period of more then an hour.... I get a headache from the neck up.
* When I use vitamin D3 in a high dosage (2000 IU or more).... I get a headache from the neck up. ( vitamin D3 is made internal when sun bathing)
* When I spent some time with my dad (who is a sun gazer and feels a deep friendship for the sun).... I get the same headache.

Yesterday I did my first time sun gazing. For 10 seconds with open eyes, 30 minutes before sunset.... headache and energy bouncing around like a gummy ball all night and keeping me up until 4 am.
Well.... I am certainly sold as for the power of sun gazing, but I would also like to know what's going on with my reaction to the sun, direct or indirect.

I was born in a time that my parents and especially my father was a member of the Rosicrucian's (Lecturium, not the AMOR (which is the occult branche)). Their teachings say that living on the earth is a horrible but necessary 'in between' face for the evolution of the soul and is to be overcome as soon as possible through enlightenment and ascension. My father was quit a fanatic in those days.
I must have copied the blue print of his posture toward life in those days and it made me into someone who withdraw from life here and now as much as I possibly could. To me it resulted in a life that is opposite to being enlightened as in my experience of life was like a water hose that was squeezed fully. I didn't want to be here and now.
Almost a year ago I decided that I had enough of it and that I was ready to walk the walk that was necessary to get me to the point of un-squeezing the water hose.
I came a long way in that year but there are things that I am stuck in and this is one of them.

It might have something to do with not being grounded. I noticed this with the Chi-stretching as well. My knees and ankles seem to be blocked in the chi flow and when doing this stretching, the unlocked chi wants to flow upward in stead of down. Bearcow gave me a few pointers to work on that.

So.. with the sun.. when it's energy comes in me I can feel it's power. It touches the heart and gives an abundance in life force, but I seem to be unable to canalise this. My body doesn't seem to know how to process this input of energy and it bounces around like crazy.

I feel that the problems with the sun energy and the chi stretching are touching the very core of the self created barriers for experience life as I should and I would appreciate any help to get me to understand what's going on and how to overcome this.

Hi Waky,

The mind will always be fascinated with the comings and goings and there will always be a problem to solve or something to make sense of....the mind will never be satisfied.

But something perceives all of this. Whatever happens, shift your attention back to what perceives all of it. Investigate it - does this Awareness need to make sense of what is going on?


Jeanette

[Marianne]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Marianne (here)
I have an energy healing request. My friend T has had a spinal curvature all her life and has been in pain most days. She had hope for a surgical procedure to alleviate the curvature and hopefully the pain, but found out today that it's too risky and may not help the problem. She's feeling low.

I told her there are other reasons for hope besides surgery. She is thinking she'll go with osteopathic manipulation and that seems a good choice to relieve pain.

I'm asking friends here on the forum to send her healing energy to help her condition and help her see a reason to believe in something more than the physical aspects she can see. She said okay to this.

Thanks so much,
Marianne

Sending her massages and stretches in a hot tub.

Oh, that's so nice Ulli, massage and hot tub stretches ... I think we all could use that. Visualizing it here and now.

I got some good feedback about Quantum Touch ... I'm off to investigate and buy a workshop DVD and learn/teach something new. It's a win-win for more than just my friend.

I want cookie recipes too! I agree about potlucks, a good first step toward friendship when you don't yet know what you have in common but are willng to find out.

Rocky, I tossed and turned last night too. Then when I finally got to sleep I got a cat's face in mine, wanting to go out. I got maybe 4 hours of intermittent sleep. I'm reminded of Dawn's breatherarian thread, where she talked about needing only 1.5 hours sleep each night.

What do you do when you have so much extra time? Except last night was different, I was tired this morning. Got my wind though and am energized now because I have so much work to do today. Then why am I sitting on Avalon, you ask?

Love,
JB

Thanks Waky for the good vibes.
Jenci, I learn something from your posts, thanks.

[ulli]

[QUOTE=Wakytweaky;541702]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Thanks for the kick in the but Ulli.
I'll take it to heart, but will a new attitude take the strange reactions to the sun away?
.

Sun flares and migraines are related, there is no doubt. I first heard that from an astronomer who discovered the correlation between his wife's migraines and solar flares during the seventies.
Then I discovered I had the same issue.
But since about a year ago I have had no more migraines, even if I eat cheese. Earlier on I thought I would have that problem for life, and could not imagine being pain free.
I don't know what I'm doing right, but my guess is that it has something to do with this Village.

[Eram]

Posted by ulli (here)
Sun flares and migraines are related, there is no doubt. I first heard that from an astronomer who discovered the correlation between his wife's migraines and solar flares during the seventies.
Then I discovered I had the same issue.
But since about a year ago I have had no more migraines, even if I eat cheese. Earlier on I thought I would have that problem for life, and could not imagine being pain free.
I don't know what I'm doing right, but my guess is that it has something to do with this Village.

Wait a minute.... what? wait!

do you say ..... eating cheese and getting migraines from the sun?
Is that what you say?

So if I take away the kilo of cheese I eat every week... then.. maybe

[another bob]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
..I would appreciate any help to get me to understand what's going on and how to overcome this.

Hello my Friend!

You appear to be at the stage where one is fascinated to the point of intoxication with their own process. This is why it is helpful to have a qualified guide with whom you have developed a close working relationship. Short of that, both Ulli and Jeanette have offered excellent advice. Beware of making this whole adventure into an entertaining distraction, which is exactly what mind tends to do, so that it won't really have to bother with the prospect of its own demise (a fate implicit in actual awakening). Instead, it can co-opt any liberating experience and make it part of an interesting new identity, with all sorts of angles, like the effects of sun on the solar meridiens, the message behind bodily discomforts like headaches, and so on and so forth, ad infinitem, all the while avoiding the crux of the matter, which is the absolute nothingness of your self images.



edit to add a little Zen story:

Zuigan was an awakened practitioner in the last century.

He was known to call out to himself every day: `Master.'

Then he answered himself: `Yes, sir.'

And after that he added: `Become sober.'

Again he answered: `Yes, sir.'

`And after that,' he continued, `do not be deceived by others.'

`Yes, sir; yes, sir,' he answered.

[another bob]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by 1inMany (here)
Carmody said there are 8 components...8 notes...
But there are 7 chakras,...

I've been instructed (kundalina yoga) that there are at least 8 chakras, and "bodies" beyond that. There are 7 chakras "within" the body; the 8th chakra is your aura.

Dennis

Contrary to popular notions, I'd submit that the chakras are just energy playgrounds with no inherent significance vis a vis liberation. For example, the soul does not have chakras, nor does any chakra opening contribute one ounce to self-realization (though in some cases such openings may be an after-effect). Fundamentally, chakras are body phenomena, but we are not the body. In fact, attachment to chaka manipulation is a hindrance to awakening, imo.

[Eram]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
..I would appreciate any help to get me to understand what's going on and how to overcome this.

Hello my Friend!

You appear to be at the stage where one is fascinated to the point of intoxication with their own process. This is why it is helpful to have a qualified guide with whom you have developed a close working relationship. Short of that, both Ulli and Jeanette have offered excellent advice. Beware of making this whole adventure into an entertaining distraction, which is exactly what mind tends to do, so that it won't really have to bother with the prospect of its own demise (a fate implicit in actual awakening). Instead, it can co-opt any liberating experience and make it part of an interesting new identity, with all sorts of angles, like the effects of sun on the solar meridiens, the message behind bodily discomforts like headaches, and so on and so forth, ad infinitem, all the while avoiding the crux of the matter, which is the absolute nothingness of your self images.



edit to add a little Zen story:

Zuigan was an awakened practitioner in the last century.

He was known to call out to himself every day: `Master.'

Then he answered himself: `Yes, sir.'

And after that he added: `Become sober.'

Again he answered: `Yes, sir.'

`And after that,' he continued, `do not be deceived by others.'

`Yes, sir; yes, sir,' he answered.

24th of August .... Satsang with prajnaparamita. I hope to get hooked up there.
My search here in Belgium has been fruitless so far.

It's so weird to understand what you and Jenci talk about, yet to be almost unable to resist these side tracks.

The powers to play with are getting stronger and so are the dangers eh?

[Sierra]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
24th of August .... Satsang with prajnaparamita. I hope to get hooked up there.
My search here in Belgium has been fruitless so far.

It's so weird to understand what you and Jenci talk about, yet to be almost unable to resist these side tracks.

The powers to play with are getting stronger and so are the dangers eh?

Good luck WT!

[another bob]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
24th of August .... Satsang with prajnaparamita. I hope to get hooked up there.

Cool! Shes sounds wise, but will you be able to develop a relationship, or just attend a lecture? Someone needs to watch you closely to see what you're up to, at least in the beginning stages of sadhana. That's the value of a personal relationship. Admittedly, it's rare these days, but it's really the most advantageous situation if one can find it. Otherwise, you've got the Village here, which ain't too shabby, and also your Beloved! A good mate can usually see through our pretense, LOL!

It's so weird to understand what you and Jenci talk about, yet to be almost unable to resist these side tracks.

The powers to play with are getting stronger and so are the dangers eh?

The tendency of the individual soul to see itself as a separate entity causes suffering in us. This ego stops at nothing to achieve its goal of maintaining a separate and all powerful existence. Even sages and seers are constantly being challenged by this encroaching ego and need to keep a watchful eye on all their motives at all times.

~Bhagavan Nityananda

[greybeard]

There is much misunderstanding re K
I had a spontaneous awakening 18 years ago then spent time on the ashram of the author of this book the later Dr Goels
Chris
This may help.

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/d...-views-IDK142/


Preface

Salutations to the Mother Kundalini the Divine Cosmic Energy! You are present in every existing being. You are the supreme knowledge, maya, intellect, memory and delusion. O Devi! You are the mind, the sky, the air, the fire, the water and the earth. Nothing is outside You. You are the Shakti of Shiva. Your Own blissful conscious form gives the shape of the world.

Kundalini Yoga is the most archaic form of spiritual sadhana practiced by Indian sages and saints to achieve Oneness with the Supreme Reality. Kundalini, the serpent power or mystic fire, is the primordial energy that lies sleeping or in dormant state at the base of the spinal column in all human beings. It is also the cosmic power in individual bodies. It is the spiritual potential of cosmic power. It has no form. But the mind has to follow a particular form in its initial stage. From this grosss form, one can easily understand the subtle formless Kundalini. Prana, ahamkar, buddhi, indriya, mind, nerves and all the five gross elements are all products of Kundalini.

Thats a brief paste-- the rest is on the link.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Yo ho ho folks! Previously I gave the link for the Joseph Farrell interviews on youtube. Youtube loads waaaaaaay to slow, and if you have spotty internet connection as I do, the loading stops and you have to reload ad infinitum. Well, here and now I just discovered (I'm always slow to the draw) that the 16 cosmic war interviews, and many many more including interviews with other people, are available in mp3 format at GeorgeAnne Hughes' website: www.thebyteshow.com

FYI,
Playdo

[another bob]

Posted by greybeard (here)
There is much misunderstanding re K....

Thanks Chris!

Here's another view, from Ramana Maharshi, about K (for those who have no interest, kindly excuse the elaboration):

Kundalini
From The Teachings of
Sri Ramana Maharshi
Edited by David Godman

Question: Will concentration on Chakras quieten the mind?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Fixing their minds on psychic centres such as the Sahasrara (the thousand petalled lotus Chakra), yogis remain any lengths of time without awareness of their bodies. As long as this state continues, they appear to be immersed in some kind of joy. But when the mind, which has become tranquil emerges and becomes active again it resumes its worldly thoughts. It is therefore necessary to train it with the help of practices like Dhyana (meditation) whenever it becomes externalised. It will then attain a state in which there is neither subsistence nor emergence.

Question: It is said that the Sakti manifests itself in five phases, ten phases, a hundred phases and a thousand phases. Which is true?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Sakti has only one phase. If it is said to manifest itself in several phases, it is only a way of speaking. The Sakti is only one.

Question: How to churn up the Nadis (psychic nerves) so that the Kundalini may go up the Sushumna?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Though the Yogi may have his methods of breath control for his object, the Jnani’s method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self, the Sakti or Kundalini, which is not apart from the Self, rises automatically.
The Yogis attach the highest importance to sending the Kundalini up to the Sahasrara, the brain centre or the thousand petalled lotus. They point out the scriptural statement that the life current enters the body through the fontanelle and argue that, Viyoga (separation) having come about that way, yoga (union) must also be effected in the reverse way. Therefore, they say, we must, by yoga practice, gather up the Pranas (vital force) and enter the fontanelle for the consummation of yoga. The Jnanis on the other hand point out that the yogi assumes the existence of the body and its separateness from the Self. Only if this standpoint of separateness is adopted can the yogi advise effort for reunion by the practice of yoga.

In fact the body is in the mind which has the brain for its seat. That the brain functions by light borrowed from another source is admitted by the yogis themselves in their fontanelle theory. The Jnani further argues: if the light is borrowed it must come from its native source. Go to the source direct and do not depend on borrowed sources. That source is the Heart, the Self.

The Self does not come from anywhere else and enter the body through the crown of the head. It is as it is, ever sparkling, ever steady, unmoving and unchanging. The individual confines himself to the limits of the changeful body or of the mind which derives its existence from the unchanging Self. All that is necessary is to give up this mistaken identity, and that done, the ever shining Self will be seen to be the single non-dual reality.
If one concentrates on the Sahasrara there is no doubt that the ecstasy of Samadhi ensues. The Vasanas, that is the latent mental tendencies, are not however destroyed. The yogi is therefore bound to wake up from the Samadhi because release from bondage has not yet been accomplished. He must still try to eradicate the Vasanas inherent in him so that they cease to disturb the peace of his Samadhi. So he passes down from the Sahasrara to the Heart through what is called the Jivanadi, which is only a continuation of the Sushumna. The Sushumna is thus a curve. It starts from the lowest Chakra, rises through the spinal cord to the brain and from there bends down and ends in the Heart. When the yogi has reached the Heart, the Samadhi becomes permanent. Thus we see that the Heart is the final centre.

[Note: Commentary by David Godman: Sri Ramana Maharshi never advised his devotees to parctise Kundalini Yoga since he regarded it as being both potentially dangerous and unnecessary. He accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the Chakras but he said that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahsrara it would not result in realisation. For final realisation, he said, the Kundalini must go beyond the Sahasrara, down another Nadi (psychic nerve) he called Amritanadi (also called the Paranadi or Jivanadi) and into the Heart-centre on the right hand side of the chest. Since he maintained that self-enquiry would automatically send the Kundalini to the Heart-centre, he taught that separate yoga exercises were unnecessary.

The practitioners of Kundalini Yoga concentrate on psychic centres (Chakras) in the body in order to generate a spiritual power they call Kundalini. The aim of this practice is to force the Kundalini up the psychic channel (the Sushumna) which runs from the base of the spine to the brain. The Kundalini Yogi believes that when this power reaches the Sahasrara (the highest Chakra located in the brain), Self-realisation will result.
Sri Ramana Maharshi taught that the Self is reached by the search for the origin of the ego and by diving into the Heart. This is the direct method of Self-realisation. One who adopts it need not worry about Nadis, the brain centre (Sahasrara), the Sushumna, the Paranadi, the Kundalini, Pranayama or the six centres (Chakras).

[Eram]

Posted by another bob (here)
Cool! Shes sounds wise, but will you be able to develop a relationship, or just attend a lecture?

I just go there with an open intention. I'll bring my search for a teacher to the conversation with the people there ans see what happens.
This woman travels the world as far as I know and I don't anticipate that she will be my teacher.

[greybeard]

Hi Bob
I did not do anything but meditation K just awoke.
Adyashanti in one of his interviews (Spontaneous awakening Sounds True) said that K awakening can be a precursor to enlightenment and continue after that state in order for the body to "harmonise" my word. K energy happened within him for years before and after enlightenment.
Seems that the body needs to go through this change in order to house the raised energy of the in-dweller.
The nervous system needs to be strengthened or it would fry--- smiling.

Ps Dr Goels said that Self Enquiry was important and that the tongue was best kept to the roof of the mouth when meditating to encourage the K energy to move down to the heart cave

Chris

[another bob]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Bob
I did not do anything but meditation K just awoke.
Adyashanti in one of his interviews (Spontaneous awakening Sounds True) said that K awakening can be a precursor to enlightenment and continue after that state in order for the body to "harmonise" my word. K energy happened within him for years before and after enlightenment.
Seems that the body needs to go through this change in order to house the raised energy of the in-dweller.
The nervous system needs to be strengthened or it would fry--- smiling.

Chris

Thanks for your comments, Chris!

Nisargadatta said that he never had any K, and yet I consider him among the great sages and one of the only truly liberated people I have ever encountered. On the other hand, I studied with Baba Muktananda, considered the top K master and a Siddha, until he was outed for sex with young girls.

I have experienced plenty of K, but recognized it as nothing, just dream phenomena, that have no impact on the core contraction, the sense of separate self -- "me and mine". Moreover, I have witnessed hundreds of folks up close and personal over the years involved with chasing K phenomena, and not one would I consider at all awake, but for the most part, even more confused than the ordinary person who never heard of K.

[PurpleLama]

Dang, it took me forever to find this old post, to bring it back, here and now. The topic of sungazing has been coming back up, so here we go:

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
@eaglespirit

the solar element is very important. Several times you've mentioned it, and I've always gotten side tracked before responding. A few years ago I was hanging out with hermes and he taught me to form the caduces within the body.

first you focus on the sun. Then, with the inbreath, you breath in the light through the forehead. It helps if you have actual sunlight, but with practice visualization works too. Ok, so you breathe in the sun, and pull the light down the front of the body, to the root, where it turns and goes up the spine, reaching the top of the head where it exits the body and returns to the sun.

second, once the flow is established, start collecting light from the flow into the root to form the sun *inside you at the base chakra*, the flow upwards is not diminished as it is an infinite source and with the collection the intake is increased as well, the balance here is important, upon the completion of the sun in the root move the attention to the heart center and repeat the process forming a second sun in the heart, then a third time forming the sun in the head.

thirdly, the perspective is made where the lower sun drops below, this being the connection to earth, and the higher sun moves up to be the sun above, which it is in truth, while you stay with the central sun, which is also true, and the most profound, and yet the three are one and you, yet they are a staff whereby earth connects to heaven

fourth, the hands are put together before the heart and the light of that sun is poured into the hands and out the fingers which are pointed beneath the chin aimed to the center of the head, where is seen the pinecone of light, and you see the pine cone within the head, and seen together with the entire self within the pinecone at the same time, holding both, what is within you are within and what you are is also that which is without

with the completion of the prior step, the fifth and last step happens almost automatically, as the within/without finds the balance, the inward downward flow begins to move in a circular fashion, becoming a downward spiral and the movement reaches the root and spins then the other way spiraling back upward, forming the caduces as exits the head, forming a double helix, or torsion field.

I practiced this several times a day for a few years after I was given it in '08. Progressively the steps became more and more habit until I was pretty much doing the whole thing instantly, and now I can't even stop it every time the sun shines on my face.

anyway, this has been a source of great help and healing, and most of all, Fun.