Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[9eagle9]

That is one of the most empowering posts in a thread. You understand why I don't worship their gods, because the only thing they are worth is a FU.

There' aren't enough thanks in the forum for this one.

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
Sadly... the worst is not the ritual blood sacrifices...

Even sadder still; abject evil has prevailed once again.

The vultures have picked the bones clean of the one among the few, commenting in here, who actually understood the theme of this thread.

Thank you Houman for, once again, getting this thread back on track.

The theme of this thread, and I've read every post, may be a lot more all encompassing than you seem to grasp or acknowledge. Many of us are quite capable of understanding that the stories of personal challenges posted by various posters ARE or MIGHT BE related to archontic influences or control. Allowing them to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Allowing those who have experience in resisting or banishing these influences to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Attempting to control others to post the way we want them to post is a losing proposition.

I'm probably not alone in reacting to attempts to shame, blame or control me and others with a thought that consists of two words, when boiled down to its essence. These two words have stood me in good stead my entire life starting as a child when I refused to allow anyone to lay guilt on me, to shame me or to attempt to blame me for something that I considered to be in their imagination and reality...NOT mine.

In fact I continued to use these 2 words when faced with negative entities in my years of out of body travels (for which I would never even desire or care to give "proof"...LOL) The two words represent a REFUSAL to accept control from those who WANT to control, no matter how powerful or puny their attempts might be. No matter how subtle they think they are being. No matter how they disguise themselves as beings of light or knowledge, or display themselves outright as demons. These 2 words are insignificant in themselves but are a representation of the power and energy of the force of my will embodied in the words.

I say these words to anyone or any god or any demon or any PTB, ET, other dimensional or any energy suck who, like a vampire, attempts to suck my energy, my life force by disempowering me either through fear, shame, blame or guilt. The words I use and mean when I say them are F U. Behind that FU is an absolute refusal to let myself be used.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi Houman --

as you may have seen, i deleted my most recent posts -- Observer is right on target, re few Humans being able or willing to see the trap they are in -- their self-created & self-perpetuated reality , their collective reality -- & their future --

i won't be posting on this thread again -- as Bill says, this is a near-unique & very important thread -- this world of the archons is one that abductees & milabs are forced to live in -- for us,
it's not a subject for juvenile 'humor' & self-aggrandizement & to show how witty & learned we are

had a thought for 9Eagle9 -- as i understood your posts, you are saying that you have the ability to stop abductions -- it suddenly hit me -- PLEASE let me put you in personal touch w/either Elaine Douglass or David Jacobs -- there are so many abductees they could connect you with who badly need your help -- also -- i'm sure Duncan O'Finiaon & his good lady would welcome you to their seminars to do your impressive work of stopping the milab abductions -- i'll email him for you if you want

above paragraph can be condensed into a rude USA saying: 'Put your money where your mouth is, or else shut up'

w/great respect for the work you are attempting to do on this thread, Houman --
wyn

Dear 9eagle9:

Thanks for your last PM reply, three days ago.

I'm taking the unusual step of posting this message publicly. I think it's important that I do that.

It did not seem to register that after your recent spat with viking, you'd been given a reprieve after quite a lot of time-consuming moderator discussion behind the scenes. I wrote you a long and considered message which took me the best part of an hour to get right. As I said in that PM, I have better things to do, but I thought that considering your intelligence and experience, it was important to state clearly my concerns, and invite your understanding.

You've continued from that by derailing Houman's important (and sensitive) Horus-Ra thread with your personal energy, which to many is not pleasant or helpful. You did NOT seem to make the attempt to which you refer to moderate your contributions. You did not appear to understand what I was working quite hard to convey.

Most people would have engaged in a modicum of reflection after this and other recent dialogs. Either you're not able to do that, or you didn't think it necessary (instead laying the responsibility on others, as is often your weakness).

You have no idea of the effect of your invective on other people. Your words are almost permanently angry or barbed, and you spray those sharp edges around on others. You HURT people.

These people whom you hurt are the wrong target. You are angry with others in the world, but rather than dealing with that, you dump your personal stuff on those who are conveniently round you.

That is not your intention (I assume), but that's what happens. Wynderer deleted all her posts on a sensitive topic because of your words. She is responsible for her actions (and her personal growth) -- but so are you. You are neither her coach nor her teacher, and if you were, you would not be a very effective one. When members signed up for this forum, they did not contract to engage you in a dialog that would be the equivalent of being hit around the head by a Zen Master's stick. And there is no evidence that you are an effective Zen Master. People just grow to dislike you. It's that simple.

This is absolutely your last warning. It comes from me personally. I do respect you, but I have a senior duty to protect the forum and its members and its topics. You will not derail or influence the energy of Houman's very important thread any more. You have two weeks to think about what I have written above. When you return, if you dump on other people's personal experiences one more time, you will be asked to leave this forum.

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For those reading this who've not been following the thread closely, I've just now deleted another seven posts on recent pages from 9eagle9 and others. Back to topic, please. Houman, I and many others reading this thread will appreciate this.

My regards to all -- Bill

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[Mod-edit: Please continue discussion of the above matter on the separate thread split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread thread. -Paul.]

[truth4me]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
why do you think you can convince us that we should accept your opinions as the truth?

I'd gently suggest that none of us know the truth, or even pretend to know it all. I doubt if anyone here is trying to convince anyone else of anything.

All of us, including many anonymous guests who frequently read this thread (and the researchers and writers referenced on this thread in many places) are looking for answers to good questions.

In exchanging opinions -- and experiences -- the opportunity is for us all to work together, not against one another, to see if we can collectively take a few steps nearer to whatever the truth may be.

Bill,What I'm about to say is not to pump you with sunshine but your reply here on this topic is one of the best I've ever read from you on any topic IMHO. It's simplicity carries a lot of weight in our ongoing search for truth......

[SilentFeathers]

The team.....are you'all really just trying to conserve on some bandwidth?

Anyways, this is a good little description too.

Eliphas Levi's Baphomet - The Goat of Mendes
Deciphering A Ninetheenth Century Occult Symbol
http://altreligion.about.com/od/symbols/a/baphomet.htm



Also, Goatshead Headpiece In 1619 KJV

[Kimberley]

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I have only been reading this thread from time to time and have never posted in it...

I think you all will find this interview of interest...when or if you have an hour and a half to listen to it...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5T6WyCCGcls

Lisa M Harrison interviews Kelly La Sha is the Author of Liquid Mirror. In this conversation she shares her introduction to the Dark Side as a child of 4, her rescue and spiritual training throughout childhood by a very special being and much more.

http://liquidmirror.org/wp1/

http://www.lisamharrison.com/

Much love to us all!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[Mod-edit: Please continue discussion of the above matter on the separate thread split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread thread. -Paul.]

This thread is now reopen. I have split off the discussion of conduct on this thread to a separate thread.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
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I have only been reading this thread from time to time and have never posted in it...

I think you all will find this interview of interest...when or if you have an hour and a half to listen to it...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5T6WyCCGcls

Lisa M Harrison interviews Kelly La Sha is the Author of Liquid Mirror. In this conversation she shares her introduction to the Dark Side as a child of 4, her rescue and spiritual training throughout childhood by a very special being and much more.

http://liquidmirror.org/wp1/

http://www.lisamharrison.com/

Much love to us all!

Hi Kimberley,

I posted this vid on another thread this morning. In part this is what I said:

"I’ve listened to the vid twice now since yesterday, probably will another time. Lots covered. Lisa Harrison has just as much to offer as her guest Kelly La Sha. Kelly offers an ebook called, “Liquid Mirror,” at IPad for $1.99. Much of what is covered is review, but sometimes with a bit of a twist. So, it’s worth a listen. I had to work hard at getting past the few minutes in the beginning about abduction when she was young..." "I’m glad I didn’t click off."

"One helpful example was a shift in perspective about the Druvalo, the MerkaBa and ascension. I’ve read three of his books and then it all faded to unimportant status. Another example is how on the forum some people are drawn to threads and express ideas and teachings, i.e, I AM vs. ET's. Don't let these two example dissuade you from having a listen. There's lots more."

The other day, I posted Lisa's sun gazing interview. I explained that I always look forward to her next vid.

[Sierra]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Allowing them to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Allowing those who have experience in resisting or banishing these influences to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Attempting to control others to post the way we want them to post is a losing proposition.

Right on. Respect is essential to communication. Respectful communication is what allows dialog to flow without getting sidetracked on personality issues.

Posted by NancyV
I'm probably not alone in reacting to attempts to shame, blame or control me and others with a thought that consists of two words, when boiled down to its essence. These two words have stood me in good stead my entire life starting as a child when I refused to allow anyone to lay guilt on me, to shame me or to attempt to blame me for something that I considered to be in their imagination and reality...NOT mine.

In fact I continued to use these 2 words when faced with negative entities in my years of out of body travels (for which I would never even desire or care to give "proof"...LOL) The two words represent a REFUSAL to accept control from those who WANT to control, no matter how powerful or puny their attempts might be. No matter how subtle they think they are being. No matter how they disguise themselves as beings of light or knowledge, or display themselves outright as demons. These 2 words are insignificant in themselves but are a representation of the power and energy of the force of my will embodied in the words.

I say these words to anyone or any god or any demon or any PTB, ET, other dimensional or any energy suck who, like a vampire, attempts to suck my energy, my life force by disempowering me either through fear, shame, blame or guilt. The words I use and mean when I say them are F U. Behind that FU is an absolute refusal to let myself be used.

Again, right on. When it comes to astral travel. But I don't think (and I speak with knowledge of torture, sacrifice and death at a certain institution on the coast of California, whose name you'd instantly recognize), it is quite the same when one is physically trapped, physically weakened over a period of time, gang raped, tortured, gutted, and killed after watching multiple "victims" get theirs beforehand. With the PTB, laughing at the pain and anguish. It is hard to say FU under those conditions. And being able to scream FU under those conditions, while personally satisfying no doubt, does not change the conditions. Not one iota.

Sierra

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Sierra (here)
With the PTB, laughing at the pain and anguish. It is hard to say FU under those conditions. And being able to scream FU under those conditions, while personally satisfying no doubt, does not change the conditions. Not one iota.

Exactly.

Telling someone they can always stand down the torturers by saying FU loud enough essentially blames the victim for not saying it loud enough.

There is a difference between (1) helping to empower someone to say FU in more situations, succeeding more often, and (2) saying that any failure is their fault for not saying FU loud enough. The latter blames, and dis empowers.

[Cristian]

Hi guys .

I’m new to this forum.
I admit it was this kind of threads that pushed me into trying to register for the third time.

Ok , now I’ve seen some goat pictures lately in this thread. With horns and stuff. Long story short I’ve seen something similar in my living room some years ago. So I’m not laughing . I would like to know , some day, who are this dudes.
I know what they want, I know all the crap, but for once I would like to know their story. How did they end up like that…
Because you know, I do see a scared child in every demon. Nevermind all the evil, black magic, sacrifice…I do see myself in them doing all those things.

I do think being a demonic creature is part of spiritual growth.

I do think ALL of us that are on a kind of enlightenment path…we all did those nasty things , sometime in the past. We all grew out of that place. We’ve been there and at some point said : oh that’s enough.

That’s why I don’t hate them, I don’t judge them, I just acknowledge them for what they are .

The never ending cycle of life and learning.

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The above post was once the part of a longer post. I have split the longer post into two parts, leaving part of the post as you see above, and moving the other part to another thread, here. The original had responses to what are now two separate discussions, on two separate threads, which is why I did the split.

Welcome to the forum, Chris82 .

- Paul.]

[NancyV]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
Allowing them to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Allowing those who have experience in resisting or banishing these influences to tell their stories in THEIR way is very important. Attempting to control others to post the way we want them to post is a losing proposition.

Right on. Respect is essential to communication. Respectful communication is what allows dialog to flow without getting sidetracked on personality issues.

Posted by NancyV
I'm probably not alone in reacting to attempts to shame, blame or control me and others with a thought that consists of two words, when boiled down to its essence. These two words have stood me in good stead my entire life starting as a child when I refused to allow anyone to lay guilt on me, to shame me or to attempt to blame me for something that I considered to be in their imagination and reality...NOT mine.

In fact I continued to use these 2 words when faced with negative entities in my years of out of body travels (for which I would never even desire or care to give "proof"...LOL) The two words represent a REFUSAL to accept control from those who WANT to control, no matter how powerful or puny their attempts might be. No matter how subtle they think they are being. No matter how they disguise themselves as beings of light or knowledge, or display themselves outright as demons. These 2 words are insignificant in themselves but are a representation of the power and energy of the force of my will embodied in the words.

I say these words to anyone or any god or any demon or any PTB, ET, other dimensional or any energy suck who, like a vampire, attempts to suck my energy, my life force by disempowering me either through fear, shame, blame or guilt. The words I use and mean when I say them are F U. Behind that FU is an absolute refusal to let myself be used.

Again, right on. When it comes to astral travel. But I don't think (and I speak with knowledge of torture, sacrifice and death at a certain institution on the coast of California, whose name you'd instantly recognize), it is quite the same when one is physically trapped, physically weakened over a period of time, gang raped, tortured, gutted, and killed after watching multiple "victims" get theirs beforehand. With the PTB, laughing at the pain and anguish. It is hard to say FU under those conditions. And being able to scream FU under those conditions, while personally satisfying no doubt, does not change the conditions. Not one iota.

Sierra

You're right, here in the physical FU is not always effective other than giving one a sense of knowing that no matter what they do to you, you still always have a free choice. Of course when we deal with being physically tortured, raped or restrained we might want to consider ALL options that would not lead to our death or further torture FIRST. Then the final option might be to say FU and surrender to death.

I don't have experience with being physically restrained and tortured by the PTB here on earth. I have had several incidents (5-6) of being kidnapped, raped, drugged, beaten (with broken bones and deep cuts) and held against my will. In each of these situations I thought of all possible ways to deal with it, which often involved seeming to go along with it, or being passive until I could escape. Of course when I was drugged and gang raped I had no power to do anything since I was helpless at the time. All I had to deal with that time was deciding to not SUFFER afterwards and allow the pain to pass.

We all can feel pain but we all have the CHOICE whether we will suffer or not. I choose to not suffer, no matter what happens to me. I do not allow situations where I am more physically helpless to undermine my self worth or my spirit of resistance. Many people would like to have others support or empathize with their pain and suffering. I learned long ago that no one else can truly feel my pain and I can't feel anyone else's pain (unless I merge with them). I can imagine their pain, I can feel compassion for their pain, but I don't know how THEY feel their pain.

Often they prolong their pain by a need to suffer and continue to use that suffering as a hammer to project shame, blame and guilt on others who do not respond with the compassion they seem to crave. They actually feel that others SHOULD feel and/or understand their pain. If others do not comply with their needs they then project further guilt and shame as a victim who is misunderstood and not appreciated for their unique sufferings. This is a similar game to some of the Archon's modus operandi. It sucks energy, it attempts to make one weaker by not feeling the appropriate guilt or acknowledging that someone's victimization is "special".

I choose to not be a victim. Considering yourself to be a victim is disempowering. No matter what the circumstances, no matter the game being played out and the powers arrayed against me, I am ultimately the creator of my game here on earth. I am responsible for what I have drawn into my life. I am not an innocent victim. My husband likes to say that when the odds are completely against you, you're surrounded by enemy forces and you know that you are likely to die....what do you do? You CHARGE! Sometimes, against all odds, you will survive.

It is similar on the astral and other dimensions as it is here on earth, although here we have the added condition of being in a fragile body, easily killed, hurt or disabled. But it's still all about our human WILL. We can use that tremendously powerful force to empower ourselves or to disempower ourselves and attempt to disempower others. If we ever want to break free of Archontic influences our WILL is our most potent weapon. We cannot be victims and have a truly powerful will coexisting in the same space. They are mutually exclusive. Some negative beings seem to have a powerful and destructive will, but personally I have discovered that the negative will and power is NOT as powerful as the positive will. It may SEEM or FEEL more powerful, but that is because we let fear, shame, blame and guilt disempower our positive will.

As far as someone not being able to have that strong will, and if they choose to feel lesser than someone else or switch those feelings to ones of blaming the one who tells them that their will is powerful and think they are a failure if they can't access their will, they are again choosing to be a victim. We've all been both victims and victimizers. One is not better than the other. It's all about what lessons we wish to learn and what game we are playing in this life. I don't make a value judgment when stating my preferences and I will not accept responsibility for anyone who wants to be a victim. It's perfectly fine to be a victim and it is a very fun game of manipulation, I'm sure. It has it's own unique rewards.

So those who like to be the victim and continue their suffering are more than welcome to do so. But when some of us do not buy into their continued victim stance and get blamed for not being compassionate, it's not at all unexpected. It's normal for a victim to blame others and I accept that and don't care whether someone attempts to blame me or not. At the most I find it slightly annoying, but totally predictable. I don't expect tried and true human patterns of behavior to change. In fact I don't expect anything of anyone but I'm prepared for anything.

[Artworks]

I also enjoyed the previous interview Lisa had about Australia's role in our hidden planetary history. The people from Ireland travelled to Eypgt, then visited Australia? Along with the rest of the world and the Hopi still visit through portals.
Were people from another worlds (I am starting to dislike the use of alien or ets) stranded on this country, and then goes on the intrigue of D&A etc......

[Sierra]

Posted by NancyV (here)
We all can feel pain but we all have the CHOICE whether we will suffer or not. I choose to not suffer, no matter what happens to me. I do not allow situations where I am more physically helpless to undermine my self worth or my spirit of resistance. Many people would like to have others support or empathize with their pain and suffering. I learned long ago that no one else can truly feel my pain and I can't feel anyone else's pain (unless I merge with them). I can imagine their pain, I can feel compassion for their pain, but I don't know how THEY feel their pain.

Often they prolong their pain by a need to suffer and continue to use that suffering as a hammer to project shame, blame and guilt on others who do not respond with the compassion they seem to crave. They actually feel that others SHOULD feel and/or understand their pain. If others do not comply with their needs they then project further guilt and shame as a victim who is misunderstood and not appreciated for their unique sufferings. This is a similar game to some of the Archon's modus operandi. It sucks energy, it attempts to make one weaker by not feeling the appropriate guilt or acknowledging that someone's victimization is "special".

I choose to not be a victim. Considering yourself to be a victim is disempowering. No matter what the circumstances, no matter the game being played out and the powers arrayed against me, I am ultimately the creator of my game here on earth. I am responsible for what I have drawn into my life. I am not an innocent victim. My husband likes to say that when the odds are completely against you, you're surrounded by enemy forces and you know that you are likely to die....what do you do? You CHARGE! Sometimes, against all odds, you will survive.

It is similar on the astral and other dimensions as it is here on earth, although here we have the added condition of being in a fragile body, easily killed, hurt or disabled. But it's still all about our human WILL. We can use that tremendously powerful force to empower ourselves or to disempower ourselves and attempt to disempower others. If we ever want to break free of Archontic influences our WILL is our most potent weapon. We cannot be victims and have a truly powerful will coexisting in the same space. They are mutually exclusive. Some negative beings seem to have a powerful and destructive will, but personally I have discovered that the negative will and power is NOT as powerful as the positive will. It may SEEM or FEEL more powerful, but that is because we let fear, shame, blame and guilt disempower our positive will.

As far as someone not being able to have that strong will, and if they choose to feel lesser than someone else or switch those feelings to ones of blaming the one who tells them that their will is powerful and think they are a failure if they can't access their will, they are again choosing to be a victim. We've all been both victims and victimizers. One is not better than the other. It's all about what lessons we wish to learn and what game we are playing in this life. I don't make a value judgment when stating my preferences and I will not accept responsibility for anyone who wants to be a victim. It's perfectly fine to be a victim and it is a very fun game of manipulation, I'm sure. It has it's own unique rewards.

So those who like to be the victim and continue their suffering are more than welcome to do so. But when some of us do not buy into their continued victim stance and get blamed for not being compassionate, it's not at all unexpected. It's normal for a victim to blame others and I accept that and don't care whether someone attempts to blame me or not. At the most I find it slightly annoying, but totally predictable. I don't expect tried and true human patterns of behavior to change. In fact I don't expect anything of anyone but I'm prepared for anything.

I don't disagree with anything you say. At all. It is the best attitude to have going in to possibly fatal situations. With eyes wide open. And hopefully be able to project what one wish's to project. FU.

But ... (Yes, I am going to play Eric Berne's YesBut game lol) processing traumatic events takes time, especially if one was a tabula rasa child living in complete ignorance of evil, suddenly confronted with evil of the most horrific kind, even if one's mind did not *split* under duress. I ... I think, repeat think, that one doesn't even necessarily perceive one's self as a victim, just someone in a complete state of wtf confusion. I also wonder if the "victim" aspect comes into play, when confronted with the MSM attitudes and ignorance.

So ... This thread was created as an environment where the MSM_desired_attitudes_and_ignorance can be shown for what they are, deliberate lies to cover up horrific acts committed by the PTB. To educate people as to what actually goes down. In 1985, years before I awoke, I read a book called "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley (Premise: all suffering is caused by reptilian "gods"). It terrified the bejasus out of me. I put it back on the shelf, and never talked about it, never loaned it out. I could not face it, at that time, as possibly being real.

This thread was created as an environment for survivors of Satanic or Illuminati violence. To begin to understand, yes, it really happened, yes, it is known about, yes, you are not alone, and yes, we believe you. I think being heard is one of the best ways to move out of survivor mode to that of a sovereign being. I think it is a critical component.

Speaking directly to the history of this thread, not you, but it is related, and please please please realize I do not intend attack, I intend clarity of this thread's purpose: To criticize someone for not being where "they are supposed to be" in one's own personal opinion, to run Werner Erhard EST or psychodrama marathon tactics or insult therapy on someone who does not know this is being done, never gave permission for it to be done, WHEN they are for the first time thinking they are in a safe place to share details of events that seriously screwed with their heads for a very long time ... ... ... is very bad timing and emotionally un-intelligent.

Regardless... Seeing someone as a victim or as a fabulous and brilliant survivor, sometimes depends on at what stage of processing_the_crap you see someone.

Let's be patient.

Just my .02. Well, rather my .02 and my mod hat's .02.

Sierra

[observer]

For any member interested in my reply to NancyV's comment #1860, click-on forwarding arrow.

Posted by observer (here)
observer's reply in another thread

[Daughter of Time]

When I first decided to post about my ET abduction experiences back in May, I did so with great trepidation. A programming kept telling me that if i disclosed my story, I would suffer a far worse fate. I'm quite certain all abductees are programmed with one program or another. My programmings have varied. I imagine this probably means that I've been abducted by different ET species. Ultimately, I don't know. I do remember being completely elated after my abudction when I was 25, feeling that something miraculous had happened to me since they told me that only the special ones are chosen! And the programming worked back then. The more recent programmings have had to do with fear.

So, in spite of the consternation I felt, i decided to post my first story back on page 37 of this thread. After that post, i received much encouragement, love, understanding, compassion and validation in the thread itself and in PMs. These reactions gave me the courage to post more and more stories, and finally, I feel that a healing can be perceived. I have moved from my state of paralysis. I do not feel helpless anymore.

If, on the other hand, the reactions to my initial story had been to tell me to "get over it and f'n' move on", I would have become further petrified; I would never have posted again; I would have felt lost in a lost world where no one cares.

While enabling a victim mentality is absolutely not helpful, compassion is a necessity when dealing with someone who doesn't have the strength to move on by their own volition. Eventually, if compassion, understanding, validation, encouragement and love don't work, then it might be time for the proverbial kick in the derriere, but the kick should not be delivered unless the other options have proven to be powerless.

[wynderer]

from Sierra's post above:

'This thread was created as an environment for survivors of Satanic or Illuminati violence. To begin to understand, yes, it really happened, yes, it is known about, yes, you are not alone, and yes, we believe you. I think being heard is one of the best ways to move out of survivor mode to that of a sovereign being. I think it is a critical component.'

from Daughter of Time's post below:

'If, on the other hand, the reactions to my initial story had been to tell me to "get over it and f'n' move on", I would have become further petrified; I would never have posted again; I would have felt lost in a lost world where no one cares.'

re Sierra's wise remark about how important being heard is to the healing process -- a bit of synchronicity for me, as the night before i'd been visiting w/a friend, & we'd been discussing healing from childhood sexual abuse -- i told her about a Rape Crisis Line in Ithaca which i called when a memory came back during that time in my life many years ago -- all the young women who responded were well-trained in the art of compassionate listening/compassionate hearing

that part of my psyche, re the sexual abuse, is well healed at this point -- the sexual abuse is a part of my past, but the abductions are not -- they are still going on -- in fact, quite a few researchers see that abductions are actually increasing at this time

re abductees & milabs being heard as part of our healing -- check out any forum that deals w/ETs & UFOs, & you'll see that few abductees share their stories, precisely because of the kind of comments -- the 'you're a spineless wimp inviting these experiences' comments -- so freely offered by those who have not walked in our shoes -- these such comments are the major form of responding to us

actually, i think it is more important that YOU hear US , the abductees & milabs -- as i said before, Elaine Douglass, who has helped many an abductee, myself included, suggests that abductees are being used as prototypes/lab animals to see what will work best on the rest of you, genetically-specific -- our stories may very well be your future , as things are going

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
When I first decided to post about my ET abduction experiences back in May, I did so with great trepidation. A programming kept telling me that if i disclosed my story, I would suffer a far worse fate. I'm quite certain all abductees are programmed with one program or another. My programmings have varied. I imagine this probably means that I've been abducted by different ET species. Ultimately, I don't know. I do remember being completely elated after my abudction when I was 25, feeling that something miraculous had happened to me since they told me that only the special ones are chosen! And the programming worked back then. The more recent programmings have had to do with fear.

So, in spite of the consternation I felt, i decided to post my first story back on page 37 of this thread. After that post, i received much encouragement, love, understanding, compassion and validation in the thread itself and in PMs. These reactions gave me the courage to post more and more stories, and finally, I feel that a healing can be perceived. I have moved from my state of paralysis. I do not feel helpless anymore.

If, on the other hand, the reactions to my initial story had been to tell me to "get over it and f'n' move on", I would have become further petrified; I would never have posted again; I would have felt lost in a lost world where no one cares.

While enabling a victim mentality is absolutely not helpful, compassion is a necessity when dealing with someone who doesn't have the strength to move on by their own volition. Eventually, if compassion, understanding, validation, encouragement and love don't work, then it might be time for the proverbial kick in the derriere, but the kick should not be delivered unless the other options have proven to be powerless.

[Chester]

I posted a lot the last several days prior to Sunday evening. Way more than I should have. I was stuck at my PC for other reasons and immersed myself into the Horus-Ra thread.

Through this forum I have created some personal relationships via PMs and even some chat and Skype conferences. Through perhaps my most cherished relationship I learned via e-mail yesterday about what happened in the Horus-Ra thread.

And I realized I had played a direct role in blowing up wynderer and 9eagle9. It was in part my fault. And in fact, at one point I consciously knew I was participating in something that would have to come to a head as they say. So, of course, I feel like I am “the bad guy.” At least one of “the bad guy’s.” I just happened to control myself a bit better and carefully posted such that I could appear as a “good guy.”

Perhaps I am the lowest of all the participants.

I recall when I first learned that the practice of human sacrifice was very real – back in 2002 when I read David Icke’s The Biggest Secret. I knew that I was an exception to the rule based on three things. The first was because of all the psychotic experiences I had had up to that point which gave me massive experience. The second was because of the “real world” experiences I had had up to that point – experiences with real Illuminati players - and the third was because I had something within me that was capable of taking incredibly stupid chances and for what usually seemed to most others were for the most incredibly stupid reasons.

Based on my latest experience of how this works (wynderer/9eagle9) and based on several ongoing experiences in my personal life (strangely these seem under control though could become dramas at any moment) and after contemplating all this last night and then sleeping on it for a night, I have concluded that I somehow am still very much a significant target for these demonic forces. Yet, because I have some strange fearlessness, I apparently have decided to raise my level of war against these forces (contrary to most of my posts about leaving the us/them dynamic) and found a way to create the ground from which wynderer and 9eagle9 became casualties. This just feeds the very monster I pretend to have transcended (totally BSing myself).

Referring back to this post - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post539366

Posted by wynderer (here)
edit to add : those they can't wear down, they try to break down -- those they can't break down , they try to kill

And if they can't wear you down, break you down or kill you, they will go after your siblings, your parents, your gf/bf/wife/husband, your children, and yes, even your pets... but you are not powerless to protect them...

I not only did not protect either one of them, I insidiously blew them both up... pretending I was protecting the readers who might move into despair based on comments of wynderer (pretending I am "protecting innocents who might want help), justifying it with solidly sounding arguments that those who post hopelessness and state there's nothing they can do have become minions of the actual problem BUT secretly knowing I was dangerously inciting 9eagle9 to go further - we were clearly double teaming on wynderer.

Understand the key here – I knew where this was headed.

When did I actually, consciously realize that this was in fact part of what I was doing... that this was coming from something deep within my current core being? I would say Post #1828 – ok... one very vague comment. But what I am unable at this time to accept is what I wrote in my next post #1835 –

“When one finally finds themselves... they suddenly see the rest of us.”

I had a feeling that one would send wynderer over the edge just after I posted it and I left it there. Unforgivable.

And so then I went to bed and did not return to Avalon until last night, after receiving the e-mail about the blow up. And I saw all the damage done.

So I have no doubt that I am still quite possessed if you will. In fact, it’s my opinion that not only what has been evil and feeding off me all these years is still very firmly attached. And that I have joined ever closer to this energy. Clearly, I have found some way of partnering with this entity or group of entities or “energetic collective” and become one of its most valiant soldiers.

So let’s look at this –

We have observer’s point mentioned many times – “abject evil” is what we are dealing with. He has pushed this point out there more than once.

“abject evil” I had to look up abject to get the precise meaning. The best I found was – “having sunk to the lowest”

So let me use my own words – the lowest form of evil.

And so, if observer’s observation is on target, what we have is that not only are we immersed in hell on earth, but we are immersed in the deepest, darkest crevices of hell and it happens to be here and now and in complete (and perhaps final stages of) consumption of every bit of good that is possibly left here, if there is any at all.

And I am probably one of hell’s most celebrated mercenaries. And perhaps of the very worst kind because I have deluded myself that I have become “good.” Pretending that I left the us/them. What BS. Look at the facts.

I come from bloodline family stock (the bloodlines these “controllers” have targeted to be their favorite food source such that they turn the vessels into soldiers in their army OR destroy them in the process).

And I kid myself I can be “good”?

I am a “charles” type but even worse. I am so evil that even the freaking illuminati won’t allow me in. How bad is that?

I know what I am. I know what is in me. I know what I have married within me and no matter how much I pretend being drug and alcohol free and then cleansing my body as I have been and clearing my total being through calling the name of Jesus and/or through getting into the deepest parts of my psychology and/or having shamans take away the evil entities and/or going to sessions with hypnotists or finding this forum, pouring everything out, being 100% honest even as my views shift and/or immersing myself in solutions such as holographic kinetics the fact remains, I am still completely under the thumb of true, abject evil and I am only dangerous to others.

So I am imposing a self ban upon justoneman.

I am unsure if after this honest post I would be wanted back by the creators of the Avalon forum and the good folks who run it and most importantly, the folks who could benefit from it like perhaps wynderer who may be a permanent casualty in part from my own actions.

I now become an observer but without comment though I will continue with private relationships via PMs and e-mails and private chats, etc.

Until I can control myself this is as it should be. justone

[Sierra]

Posted by justoneman
So I am imposing a self ban upon justoneman.

I am unsure if after this honest post I would be wanted back by the creators of the Avalon forum and the good folks who run it and most importantly, the folks who could benefit from it like perhaps wynderer who may be a permanent casualty in part from my own actions.

I now become an observer but without comment though I will continue with private relationships via PMs and e-mails and private chats, etc.

Until I can control myself this is as it should be. justone

Justone, it is a learning curve. Lighten up on yourself. I don't know how much experience you have with forums, but it is easy to get sucked into energies. It is part of the learning process to hear one's self, as well as to hear another. It is very clear you are learning, you are moving (fast), and the din_and_heat_of_the_moment has suckered in far more posters than you could shake a stick at.

I'd really hate it if you quit posting. I love your posts. I learn something every time you post. I want to hear what you have to share. You've acknowledged your actions as you perceive them to be, there is no need to put yourself in Coventry. We have all been there and done that.

It is a big step to *see* where self control is needed. Huge step. The observer within is alive and well.

<easing the big stick out of JustOne's hands ... >

Sierra

[wynderer]

hi Justoneman -- just my opinion, but i do not pick up evil coming from/thru you -- as i posted before, it has been my misfortune to be targeted at times by satanic covens & individuals -- i know evil when i am near it -- & i know it when i meet it on the astral planes also

also -- that time i spent on this thread the Sunday nite of which you speak -- it was quite unpleasant -- but compared to dealing w/a Draco, what Humans were doing that night was really rather lightweight

i applaud your being willing to honestly look at & admit your part in what did feel like jackals & hyenas & vultures coming in for the kill -- but may i suggest that you are assuming far too much responsibility for your part in this? kind of the flip side of a messiah complex? --

also it reminded me of Fritz Perl's 'catastrophic expectations,' by which i understand him to mean our fears that if we truly express our emotions/feelings, we will wipe out those we direct them to -- Humans are not that powerful w/their minds [give them guns & drones, & they can do a lot of damage, tho]

glad you're back

wyn

[CdnSirian]

JOM, bear in mind too that when you're cleansing and detoxing, emotions and understandings flip all over the place. You flush poisons into the blood and through your organs and until they are eliminated, it can get dramatic. It takes practise to be the quiet observer of that particular phenomena. Detoxing is quite a task.