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    Default Re: Sun Stuff: What's up!

    Wow, starchild111...that is odd (not amazed anymore, though).

    Christinedream7, it looks like there was a surge of energy...big CMEs will cause the SOHO sats to take picts like the one frozen on Lasco2 right now (for 2012-08-10 9:35 UTC...

    This should be what you posted:



    Wow! just as I am writing this, it moved to 2012-08-10 19:12!

    There is no data testifying that there has been a flare... lots going on though, for sure:

    http://www.lmsal.com/hek/her?cmd=home

    SolarHam.net has this goodie:

    Quote Added 8/10/2012 @ 15:35 UTC
    Farside Eruption
    An eruption on the farside of the Sun near old regions 1530-1532 produced a bright Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) this morning. This image by STEREO Behind COR2 shows the plasma cloud blasting away from the Sun. Because this was a farsided event, the CME will not be Earth directed.
    Enlil shows 2 CME flares popping off on the 8th that could graze Earth on the 11th (tomorrow).

    http://www.solarham.net/cmewatch2.htm

    BUT...the iSAWC cygnet streamer only show the farside CME:

    http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080/IswaS...1&cygnetId=261
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    Thanks Morningsong! Didnt realize the image changed...thx for the still!
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    those blackouts always happen on the X-ray burst from a flare...



    it followed behind this...



    the next image after the scrambled one was this...



    these images will disappear...

    the very next shot after, like it never happened...

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    Default Re: Sun Stuff: What's up!

    Today at 12:20UTC an M1.0 flare erupted from sunspot 1540:



    Iran was hit with two big EQs about the same time: 6.4 12:23 and 6.3 at 12:34. there were several aftershocks in the 5-4 range.

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...quakes_all.php

    Here's this morning's news from SuspiciousObservers:



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    Quote pdated 8/11/2012 @ 13:55 UTC
    M1.0 Flare
    A long duration M1.0 solar flare took place this morning and was centered around Sunspot 1540. There was some interaction with Sunspot 1544 as well. Watch as plasma is magnetically pulled back in towards 1544 located to the east.

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    I had been studying this, watching the energy from the sun side, and the energy that came in from behind where there is no shield...



    these two satellites will hopefully be answering some of our questions...

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    New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning.

    Quote August 13, 2012
    New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning

    WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Researchers may have discovered a new method to predict solar flares more than a day before they occur, providing advance warning to help protect satellites, power grids and astronauts from potentially dangerous radiation.

    The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.

    The new detection technique is based on a hypothesis that radioactive decay rates are influenced by solar activity, possibly streams of subatomic particles called solar neutrinos. This influence can wax and wane due to seasonal changes in the Earth's distance from the sun and also during solar flares, according to the hypothesis, which is supported with data published in a dozen research papers since it was proposed in 2006, said Ephraim Fischbach, a Purdue University professor of physics.

    Fischbach and Jere Jenkins, a nuclear engineer and director of radiation laboratories in the School of Nuclear Engineering, are leading research to study the phenomenon and possibly develop a new warning system. Jenkins, monitoring a detector in his lab in 2006, discovered that the decay rate of a radioactive sample changed slightly beginning 39 hours before a large solar flare.

    Since then, researchers have been examining similar variation in decay rates before solar flares, as well as those resulting from Earth's orbit around the sun and changes in solar rotation and activity. The new findings appeared online last week in the journal Astroparticle Physics.

    "It's the first time the same isotope has been used in two different experiments at two different labs, and it showed basically the same effect," Fischbach said. The paper was authored by Jenkins and Fischbach; Ohio State University researchers Kevin R. Herminghuysen, Thomas E. Blue, Andrew C. Kauffman and Joseph W. Talnagi; U.S. Air Force researcher Daniel Javorsek; Mayo Clinic researcher Daniel W. Mundy; and Stanford University researcher Peter A. Sturrock.

    Data were recorded during routine weekly calibration of an instrument used for radiological safety at Ohio State's research reactor. Findings showed a clear annual variation in the decay rate of a radioactive isotope called chlorine 36, with the highest rate in January and February and the lowest rate in July and August, over a period from July 2005 to June 2011.

    The new observations support previous work by Jenkins and Fischbach to develop a method for predicting solar flares. Advance warning could allow satellite and power grid operators to take steps to minimize impact and astronauts to shield themselves from potentially lethal radiation emitted during solar storms.

    The findings agree with data previously collected at the Brookhaven National Laboratory regarding the decay rate of chlorine 36; changes in the decay rate were found to match changes in the Earth-sun distance and Earth's exposure to different parts of the sun itself, Fischbach said.

    Large solar flares may produce a "coronal mass ejection" of highly energetic particles, which can interact with the Earth's magnetosphere, triggering geomagnetic storms that sometimes knock out power. The sun's activity is expected to peak over the next year or so as part of an 11-year cycle that could bring strong solar storms.

    Solar storms can be especially devastating if the flare happens to be aimed at the Earth, hitting the planet directly with powerful charged particles. A huge solar storm, called the Carrington event, hit the Earth in 1859, a time when the only electrical infrastructure consisted of telegraph lines.

    "There was so much energy from this solar storm that the telegraph wires were seen glowing and the aurora borealis appeared as far south as Cuba," Fischbach said. "Because we now have a sophisticated infrastructure of satellites, power grids and all sort of electronic systems, a storm of this magnitude today would be catastrophic. Having a day and a half warning could be really helpful in averting the worst damage."

    Satellites, for example, might be designed so that they could be temporarily shut down and power grids might similarly be safeguarded before the storm arrived.

    Researchers have recorded data during 10 solar flares since 2006, seeing the same pattern.

    "We have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare," Fischbach said. "We think this has predictive value."

    The Purdue experimental setup consists of a radioactive source - manganese 54 - and a gamma-radiation detector. As the manganese 54 decays, it turns into chromium 54, emitting a gamma ray, which is recorded by the detector to measure the decay rate.

    Purdue has filed a U.S. patent application for the concept.

    Research findings show evidence that the phenomenon is influenced by the Earth's distance from the sun; for example, decay rates are different in January and July, when the Earth is closest and farthest from the sun, respectively.

    "When the Earth is farther away, we have fewer solar neutrinos and the decay rate is a little slower," Jenkins said. "When we are closer, there are more neutrinos, and the decay a little faster."

    Researchers also have recorded both increases and decreases in decay rates during solar storms.

    "What this is telling us is that the sun does influence radioactive decay," Fischbach said.

    Neutrinos have the least mass of any known subatomic particle, yet it is plausible that they are somehow affecting the decay rate, he said.

    English physicist Ernest Rutherford, known as the father of nuclear physics, in the 1930s conducted experiments indicating the radioactive decay rate is constant, meaning it cannot be altered by external influences.

    "Since neutrinos have essentially no mass or charge, the idea that they could be interacting with anything is foreign to physics," Jenkins said. "So, we are saying something that doesn't interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed. Either neutrinos are affecting decay rate or perhaps an unknown particle is."

    Jenkins discovered the effect by chance in 2006, when he was watching television coverage of astronauts spacewalking at the International Space Station. A solar flare had erupted and was thought to possibly pose a threat to the astronauts. He decided to check his equipment and discovered that a change in decay-rate had preceded the solar flare.

    Further research is needed to confirm the findings and to expand the work using more sensitive equipment, he said.

    Jenkins and Fischbach have previously collaborated with Peter Sturrock, a professor emeritus of applied physics at Stanford University and an expert on the inner workings of the sun, to examine data collected at Brookhaven on the decay rate of radioactive isotopes silicon-32 and chlorine-36. The team reported in 2010 in Astroparticle Physics that the decay rate for both isotopes varies in a 33-day recurring pattern, which they attribute to the rotation rate of the sun's core.

    The group found evidence of the same annual and 33-day effect in radium-226 data taken at the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB) in Braunschweig, Germany, and those findings were published in 2011. They also found an additional 154-day recurring pattern in both the Brookhaven and PTB data, published in 2011, which they believe to be solar related and similar to a known solar effect called a Rieger periodicity.

    Writer: Emil Venere, 765-494-4709, venere@purdue.edu

    Sources: Ephraim Fischbach, 765-494-5506, ephraim@purdue.edu

    Jere Jenkins, 765-496-3573, jere@purdue.edu
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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    I had been studying this, watching the energy from the sun side, and the energy that came in from behind where there is no shield...



    these two satellites will hopefully be answering some of our questions...
    Interesting, to say the least.

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    A new active region (yet to to be numbered) has been active with flares today.

    As of 18:00 UTC, 11 flares have come from that region, 2 of which were M-flares.



    Because of the positon of the sunspot, they should not have any effect on Earth, but let us keep an eye on this area as the Sun turns to bring it in view.

    http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/latest_events/
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    Default Re: Sun Stuff: What's up!

    busy day for flares...


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    This new avtive region is really fire up- even this morning it is popping off M-flares, one early this morning at 00:24 UTC was an M5.5er. An M1.8 occured at 3:17 UTC. Several C-flares have followed.



    Indonesia got a 6.6 mag EQ at 9:41 UTC.
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    From: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120816150801.htm


    Sun's Almost Perfectly Round Shape Baffles Scientists

    ScienceDaily (Aug. 16, 2012) — The sun is nearly the roundest object ever measured. If scaled to the size of a beach ball, it would be so round that the difference between the widest and narrow diameters would be much less than the width of a human hair.



    The sun rotates every 28 days, and because it doesn't have a solid surface, it should be slightly flattened. This tiny flattening has been studied with many instruments for almost 50 years to learn about the sun's rotation, especially the rotation below its surface, which we can't see directly.

    Now Jeff Kuhn and Isabelle Scholl (Institute for Astronomy, University of Hawaii at Manoa), Rock Bush (Stanford University), and Marcelo Emilio (Universidade Estadual de Ponta Grossa, Brazil) have used the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) onboard the Solar Dynamics Observatory satellite to obtain what they believe is the definitive -- and baffling -- answer.

    Because there is no atmosphere in space to distort the solar image, they were able to use HMI's exquisite image sensitivity to measure the solar shape with unprecedented accuracy. The results indicate that if the Sun were shrunk to a ball one meter in diameter, its equatorial diameter would be only 17 millionths of a meter larger than the diameter through its North-South pole, which is its rotation axis.
    They also found that the solar flattening is remarkably constant over time and too small to agree with that predicted from its surface rotation. This suggests that other subsurface forces, like solar magnetism or turbulence, may be a more powerful influence than expected.

    Kuhn, the team leader and first author of an article published Aug. 16 in Science Express, said, "For years we've believed our fluctuating measurements were telling us that the sun varies, but these new results say something different. While just about everything else in the sun changes along with its 11-year sunspot cycle, the shape doesn't."

    This work was supported by NASA grants to Stanford University and the University of Hawaii.




    More information about SDO:

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    From that same site: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0817084024.htm


    Hot Solar Wind: Magnetic Turbulence Trumps Collisions to Heat Solar Wind

    ScienceDaily (Aug. 17, 2012) — New research, led by University of Warwick physicist Dr Kareem Osman, has provided significant insight into how the solar wind heats up when it should not. The solar wind rushes outwards from the raging inferno that is our Sun, but from then on the wind should only get cooler as it expands beyond our solar system since there are no particle collisions to dissipate energy. However, the solar wind is surprisingly hotter than it should be, which has puzzled scientists for decades. Two new research papers led by Dr Osman may have solved that puzzle.

    [...]

    The new research led by Dr. Kareem Osman at the University of Warwick's Centre for Fusion, Space and Astrophysics has revealed how turbulence heats the solar wind. He says: "Turbulence stretches and bends magnetic field lines, and often two oppositely directed field lines can come together to form a current sheet. These current sheets, which are distributed randomly in space, could be sites where the magnetic field snaps and reconnects transferring energy to particle heating. There are also many more ways that current sheets can heat and accelerate the plasma."

    The researchers set thresholds in the strength of these current sheets, to determine how proton temperature was related to current sheet strength. The results show convincingly that these current sheets are associated with temperature enhancements, and that the strongest are also the hottest. While each current sheet does not provide a lot of heating, collectively the current sheets account for 50% of the solar wind internal energy despite only representing 19% of all the solar wind data. Even more striking, the strongest current sheets which only make up 2% of the solar wind were found to be responsible for 11% of the internal energy of the system.

    The researchers also found that current sheets heat the solar wind in a very interesting manner; the heating is not equal in all directions.

    This temperature anisotropy can drive plasma instabilities and the strongest current sheets where preferentially found in plasma that is unstable to particular types of these instabilities called 'firehose' and 'mirror'.

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    wow... little purple blips just don't tell the story...





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    Wow! Can someone explain to me that what on Earth those readings mean?! I've been having major headache...
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    Quote Posted by StarSeed (here)
    Wow! Can someone explain to me that what on Earth those readings mean?! I've been having major headache...
    No clue, but I've had "solar" symptoms all day too. Somethings going on.

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    Saw something about an X flare on Sunday on the Up at the Ranch thread...

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    33 blew on farside and they are hiding what it looks like...

    2 weeks and we'll know

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    They're not even good at lying.
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    Default Re: Sun Stuff: What's up!

    while looking around I found a chart on Magnetic energies...



    here is a combination of Magnetic fields, solar winds...

    notice Phi how it goes from 0 to 360... positive to negative instantly...

    when you start getting a headache, let me know which one seems to be changing the most...

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