Alex Jones Anti-ZeitGeist Rants Debunked by Peter Joseph? Aug 15th 2012

[Nickolai]

Jack, Hi!

What happened?

[risveglio]

Posted by Nickolai (here)
Someone ones said here that they would prefer Alex Jones as the US president....
Well, people be aware of you are asking for. He looks like fascist indeed, and his mental state is really questionable. He has no understanding of etics and the art of communication.
If he is in power, lots of heads will be off.

He is dangerous man!

If his mental state is questionable, doesn't that make him the perfect candidate for US President?

[ExomatrixTV]

~nothing wrong to have a healthy sense of skepticism including towards your own experiences. Pseudo-skeptics use (fake) skepticism as an excuse not to consider, not to investigate in an honest way, not to test an hypothesis, not to engage in a practical way but rather staying an comfortable armchair critic claiming to be more "scientific" covering up their own incompetence. Sometimes it is better for them to admit they rather want to ignore & "not care" at least in they are honest that way!



~any label that anyone wants to project on AJ or PJ is NOT doing justice to ones uniqueness! ... atheism has many flaws & self-censorships just as religious systems do!

The need for generalizations derives from people who want to put people in boxes then use a programmed (scripted) form of communication, but is it real communication?

Most likely it is meant to confirm ones own prejudices & (incomplete or false) assumptions about "the other" begging to be corrected but does not allow to be corrected!



~the way science (dogma) is worshiped with their own hierarchical "priest casts" Phd. Professors Dr. etc. most of it is a diploma rewarding parrot-system. Lets say you have (military secret) knowledge that SOUNDS totally "unscientific" but will acknowledged 20 years in the future as normal science thus you are SMARTER than the current science-tests, you get punished: flanking the test. So in essence "controversial science" is rarely "neutral" mostly connected with hidden agendas.


con·sid·er·a·tion

1. the act of considering; careful thought; meditation; deliberation: I will give your project full consideration.
2. something that is or is to be kept in mind in making a decision, evaluating facts or theories or hypothesis, etc.: Age was an important consideration in the decision.
3. thoughtful or sympathetic regard or respect; thoughtfulness for others: They showed no consideration for his feelings.
4. a thought or reflection; an opinion based upon reflection.

~what works for you does not have to work for others, what works for others does not have to work for you. Why? we all have different backgrounds, upraising, circumstances, environment, different needs, talents, dependencies, different attitudes, goals, different (self imposed) limitations, understanding, awareness, different (lame) excuses to avoid responsibility for your quality of thinking. In short most do not want to be told what solutions are that is why the answer is in the mirror!

~if you expose tyranny & injustice some shouting (after being in denial for so long) "if it is true then WHAT are your solutions?" Solutions are not that difficult to find, just use any search-engine and you will find many different practical solutions from all over the world but sad enough those who were or still are in willful denial wants to be told what the solutions are (often claiming there aren't any) the moment you GIVE solutions they do not want to be told to ACT "to much effort"

John Kuhles

[frozen alchemy]

I've never been a big fan of Alex Jones; I would catch bits of his show on occasion but mostly his voice made my ears hurt and his hyper-emotionality made me question his ability to be rational. But the Peter Joseph interview made me lose all respect for him. It was appalling. Whatever your point of view about a person you've invited on your show, you don't treat them that way. You ask well thought out questions, you listen to the answers without interruption, and then you either ask a followup question, a new one, or just let your guest talk. Jones did none of this. He was the proverbial playground bully shouting insanely, insulting the guest, skewing his words into something that was not, by any stretch of imagination, said, and in the end, what became unblinkingly obvious was that here we had an extremely intellectually challenged person getting angry because their guest was so obviously more intelligent, more mature, and more learned and rational then themselves.

Not a pretty sight. The fact that several years later he's still spewing untruths tells me that he hasn't grown, hasn't changed, hasn't matured, and hasn't learned anything; and that he's probably at least in the business for the money, or at worst a shill to an unknown overseer.

To answer a few questions from up-thread; yes Peter Joseph has his own radio show on Blog Talk Radio; there's a couple different people appearing on that depending on availability but always enlightening and thoughtful. I would recommend anyone who has only seen the first Zeitgeist movie to watch in order (for free on Youtube or the Zeitgeist Movement home website, which is voluminous now) Zeitgeist Addendum, the London lectures, 'Where Are We Now' and 'Where Are We Going', as well as Moving Forward. There are now dozens of lectures by PJ and others in the movement, as well as a massive amount of material posted by other members. All this, amazingly, is accomplished almost in entirety by volunteer labor and brain-power. Last I looked, they have over 50,000,000 members with chapters in 60 different countries and videos produced in 30 different languages (translations done by volunteers, also). Added together, the movies are well into the hundreds of millions of views.

Maybe that's where a lot of the animosity, jealousy and anger comes from, from the Alex Jones' of the world. They have listeners, but have they truly started a peaceful movement for change? Without any doubt whatsoever in my mind I can tell you that Peter Joseph is one of those once-in-a-lifetime geniuses that comes along. He's young and he's only started tapping it, I look forward eagerly to what's next. It's like having the honor of watching a DaVinci mature.

Another stray question from above was 'how is PJ going to get his cities built, if he's lost his architect', which is referring to the split over a year ago between PJ and Jacque Fresco, the brilliant futurist, architect and city designer. (The split was because the Venus Project was requesting donations to make a movie and Peter felt this was not in keeping with the ZM ideals; there's more to it than that, with some strong egos involved, but that's the gist of it).

Umm, no. While the ZM considers itself just a vehicle at this point for proposing a new way of thinking and designing a civilization that will be sustainable, at some point when the present paradigm implodes as it certainly seems it must of its own weight, there will be plenty of people with wonderful ideas about how the future could look. All opinions are welcome, I assure you.

Slightly OT: If you feel you have heard from alien communications in some way, shape or form, or just science fiction, think of what they describe their more advanced societies like, at least the ones that seem peaceful. Like Alex Collier reported his Andromedan friend said, 'I still can't understand why you need money to live on the planet you were born on...' This is, in essence, the central theme of the ZM. No money needed for the basic necessities of life; housing, food, medical care, education, transportation... Because, for one thing, until everyone on the planet is provided for at this level, none of us are safe or secure, are we? The astronomers are correct. At this time, we are still a Zero Level Civilization. The ZM provides one possible means to achieve true Civility in our Global Civilization.

[turiya]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
I am still not sure if Alex is a shill/gatekeeper, or if he is merely afraid of AIPAC and Mossad and the Israeli government. If he directed the same vitriol that he has for the NWO and US government onto the Israeli government, I believe he would disappear from the airwaves - maybe even disappear from his living, breathing body.

Dennis

This is the typical view of individuals that haven't listened to Alex Jones very much. By saying that he is a shill because he doesn't direct so much of his spewing venom at the Mossad & Zionist State of Israel - this is like your looking from the center field bleacher seats trying to see the hand signs the catcher is flashing to the pitcher.

Alex has addressed the issue countless times before.

If you watched him enough you would know why he chooses to not over-indulge on the topic. I can suggest to you, as I have expressed to many others, try to focus on what the majority of his guests are saying. So many of his guests are well known people that have firmly established themselves in the alternative media. People like G. Edward Griffin, Max Keiser, Walter Burien, Gerald Celente, Sherry Peele Jackson, Joe Banister, James Traficant (just to name a handful) - these people are not afraid to associate themselves with the Infowars radio show host.

What is obvious to me, is that Alex Jones has a genuine disdain for anybody that likes to display their intellectual proficiency.

This is what I pickup on in the Peter Joseph interview. He had done the same to the son of Nathan Rothschild when Alex Jones interviewed him - I think his name is David.

Alex addresses the Jew/Zionism/Israel issue.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S31WMoprgXk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Q1aVYQrwvU

And over-heated debate with David de Rothschild

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KzKFnWpPpdM

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[K626]

Posted by watchZEITGEISTnow (here)
I remember when Jones bashed Icke all the time - and when that bridge was gapped it was like magic!

I wish Alex and Peter would also bridge this gap - I believe BOTH Alex and Peter have ego's that need looking at - and if they cut the pissing competition, man it would be best for all.

Alex has the religious stigma - but Icke seemed to reach him. Agree to disagree, and Peter - as much as I love you man, you just have to give Jones a little more respect in the fact he has been doing this longer than you.

I bet that's all Alex wants anyway - Just a show of appreciation...

Planned societies don't work.

.........and the whole global warming scam (man made) is to introduce cross border regulation and planet wide controls and new taxes. It is also going to be used to try and hit the emerging economies of India, China and Brazil (hamper the competition). Soros gave the game away when he said, "It will replace the dying capitalist engine of America as the new driver for economies"...(words to that effect).



K

[turiya]

Alex Addresses the Zionist Agent Question Once Again 8/24/2012

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rq2fIsDl-eY

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I think Alex Jones deliberately appeals to the person on the street, the person who has probably never accessed forums like these, which makes him an important part of the waking up of the human race. I started my first steps by listening to him and now I am growing my knowledge and understanding beyond what Alex covers, but then if he started shouting down his bullhorn about Sonia Barrett and the Holographic Universe, people would just walk past and think he was a nutter.