split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread

[mountain_jim]

(post removed after further consideration)

(if it gets added back in via a quote in progress then so be it, but know I decided it was not a value-add to the purposes of this thread.)

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)



But to become a great master one needs a little more than those qualities. One also needs a small dose of compassion and humility, which she rarely shows. I'm not saying this in criticism, but in observation. And since she is walking the path of knowledge and wishes to serve humanity in freeing themselves from their burdens, developing more compassion and humility cannot but help her in her quest.

So, I'm not at all disagreeing with you Modwiz. I can take her cold water - some are not ready for it. Some need to be caressed before they're shocked. This is not necessarily weakness, it's vulnerability; just as kindness is not weakness, it is care.

I just hope that this will be a time of contemplation for her so that she may become greater than she already is.

Humility and compassion are there for those with the eyes to see it. They are, therefore, in the eye of the beholder.

Caress or shock me. Do not caress me and then shock me. That is crazy,sociopathic, behavior. Kind of schizophrenic too.

In short. I do not find myself in agreement with the tone of your post. It promotes coddling. Bill is not promoting coddling. He is simply looking out for his guests who see what 9eagle does as attacks. As his guests, their perceptions must be taken into account. 9eagle is in a small minority and that minority cannot be given special treatment.

Besides, she can take it as well as dish it out. Vacations included.

My post was not meant to "coddle". This is the way I express myself which I see is highly irritating to you.

If you find me crazy, sociopathic and schizophrenic, then that is your privilege.

It seems that you read only the things you find offensive and that the ones that are supportive. This is exactly what many people do with 9eagle9. They read only the things that upset them, and not the things that are meant to be helpful.

I will not war with you, not with anyone for that matter. I rest my case.

Peace!

[another bob]

Regardless of the various opinions being expressed about the person in question, the fact that a thread has been offered in which members can openly express their feelings about a moderator's actions is quite rare and unusual in these kinds of forums. On other forums in which I've participated, questioning mod actions publicly was not permitted under TOS. Even if there are those who might disagree with the particular action in this case, the fact that a discussion has been given space to be carried out is a good reason to be grateful for Avalon's modus operandi, imo.

[Belle]

Posted by wynderer (here)
just wanted to point out that it was not 9eagle9's rudeness to me that i was addressing -- it was the fact that her 'suggestions' were not useful to me -- not because 'i'm not ready ' for her teachings, or so 'deeply into the victim mode' or 'into denial' -- just because they were not helpful

all of you who know her --is she well known in the abductee & milab community as a go-to person for help?

Thank you for this post, wynderer.

When I read the posts in the Horus-Ra thread that you subsequently 'erased' so to speak, it was not clear to me that your only complaint was that her suggestions were not helpful or useful to you. I must have misunderstood.

Thank you for the clarification.

[wynderer]

also i'd like to make it clear that i did not complain to Bill, the admins, or the mods about her -- tho i was getting worried -- she seemed to be going into a tailspin

PS -- drat -- i said i wasn't going to post about this, but i did

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
just wanted to point out that it was not 9eagle9's rudeness to me that i was addressing -- it was the fact that her 'suggestions' were not useful to me -- not because 'i'm not ready ' for her teachings, or so 'deeply into the victim mode' or 'into denial' -- just because they were not helpful

all of you who know her --is she well known in the abductee & milab community as a go-to person for help?

Thank you for this post, wynderer.

When I read the posts in the Horus-Ra thread that you subsequently 'erased' so to speak, it was not clear to me that your only complaint was that her suggestions were not helpful or useful to you. I must have misunderstood.

Thank you for the clarification.

[doodah]

I like 9eagle9 on the whole and think she really knows her stuff. Modwiz expresses it more eloquently than I can, but I see that she is solidly grounded in her tradition and knows whereof she speaks. On much of the metaphysics, I have no disagreement at all, even some of the victim discussions, aside from how any of that applies to children.

[CAVEAT: THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH DOES NOT APPLY] It's been said that a really good victim is an extremely powerful metaphysician. They have completely created a condition of truly believable victimhood. [SEE CAVEAT] What else might they create if they understood that they really can create something different? [SEE CAVEAT] I'm recalling a story about St. Germaine, where he was imprisoned for 1000 years until he realized he didn't have to be imprisoned. Without comment about the number of years involved, that's a VERY high level of accomplishment. Most of us don't even get close to that.

I'm not saying it's easy to get out of more "normal" victimhood. In fact, it's very difficult because of how we're put together psychologically, how tightly we create self-identity. Experience, memory, belief, and projection underlies everything, both positive and negative. Particularly memory, EMOTIONAL memory, which attaches the past and binds it to the present and future. A complete revamping of belief systems is necessary to get out of "normal" victimhood, and a true releasing of the past ... not an easy thing to do, but it can be done with lots of hard work.

As to 9e's expression, maybe it's Tourettes or something. Maybe it's uncontrolled anger or frustration with (what she thinks of as) stupid people. Perhaps there are some unintegrated issues within herself that need a little work. No one is ever "done" except maybe Ascended Masters.

In any case, if this were a physical community, a resolution would need to be reached because too much conflict would always be around her. She has a lot of hands-on skills that would be very valuable in a physical community, if she could work in such an environment.

In a physical community, I'd suggest that she have some space of her own and take students for teaching after all the daily work is done. She could do that here, in a thread of her own I suppose, if that were considered an appropriate use of the Forum.

[wynderer]

Doodah -- this is the crux of the whole thing between 9eagle9 & me -- she was insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

i always prefer to hear advice/suggestions from those who have walked a path like mine -- i.e., i'll listen hard to the first abductee or milab i meet who can tell me in detail how they stopped abductions

hate blowing my own horn, but in my life -- i am 'white' -- i have had 4 different Medicine Men or Women honor me -- none of them called me a wimp/victim -- more likely they saw the fighter

[Hervé]

A little known philosopher, but widely manufactured as infamous, compared humanity and each and every of its constitutive individuals as a wounded buffalo stuck in a mud pit. Attempting to pull it out by going in there bare-handed and it will gore you. The only safe way to pull it out would be if one is provided with an amphibious armored vehicle if one is still inclined to do so after a few goring experiences...

It seems that this would apply to all parties...

To illustrate the above metaphor, I already offered the following example many times and consider it still worth repeating:

To give some reality on how a programmed individual keeps on going with the program whether the latter is performed on one out-of-body as in "The Programming of A Planet" (abductions or `in-between lives') or through an upbringing within a particular culture or tradition, here is an example of a mom who tried to talk some sense into her son who is still caught up into what has become a cult:

Sadly, the last time we saw our son, I pointed out the inconsistencies to him. He could not respond other than to repeat the cult party line.

It was amazing for me to see how he could not respond other than to state the party line. He just could not think it through.

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question, but only parrot the party line.

Emphasis , mine, to underline what happens with an awake individual's "friends" who are just unable to perceive there's something not quite right in their thinking or behaviour and slip into the "wounded buffalo" mode when pointed out to them... that's the knee-jerk reaction to "I/we am/are here to save you!" from the unconscious "mind" the "predators" handed down to us in Castaneda's words.

So... how to un-hypnotize skull-dwelling zombies who are either under the spell of post-hypnotic orders and behaviours, or an equivalent, when they are not only unaware of it but would fight anyone attempting to demonstrate it to them... tough catch-22 job!


The answer would be to take adequate steps or gradients with offering points of comparisons to loosen the jarred doors or windows... like with chemtrails showing skies in the 50's and 60's compared to now and go through the "It's all photoshopped" whole 9 yards, etc... (see this video for an alternate explanation: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jMWVUoYNezU).

The trouble is, this forum ain't a clinic and hasn't that many gradient steps to offer. So, when its owner and his mod and admin teams get tired of pulling their guts off the floor and back in their right place; the "To hell with it!" is not very far away.

In this case, Bill offered extra gradient steps and, with that, fine tuned the aims of this forum and the Horus Ra thread as well as the expected conduct.

That is what's at hand and that is what one needs to start with: what's at hand.

[wynderer]

that wounded buffalo in a mud pit image -- rather degrading -- did the little known philosopher have a lot of Reptilian DNA, or what?

edit to ask for clarity -- are you comparing abductees to programmed cult members? -- not clear to me

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
A little known philosopher, but widely manufactured as infamous, compared humanity and each and every of its constitutive individuals as a wounded buffalo stuck in a mud pit. Attempting to pull it out by going in there bare-handed and it will gore you. The only safe way to pull it out would be if one is provided with an amphibious armored vehicle if one is still inclined to do so after a few goring experiences...

It seems that this would apply to all parties...

To illustrate the above metaphor, I already offered the following example many times and consider it still worth repeating:

To give some reality on how a programmed individual keeps on going with the program whether the latter is performed on one out-of-body as in "The Programming of A Planet" (abductions or `in-between lives') or through an upbringing within a particular culture or tradition, here is an example of a mom who tried to talk some sense into her son who is still caught up into what has become a cult:

Sadly, the last time we saw our son, I pointed out the inconsistencies to him. He could not respond other than to repeat the cult party line.

It was amazing for me to see how he could not respond other than to state the party line. He just could not think it through.

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question, but only parrot the party line.

Emphasis , mine, to underline what happens with an awake individual's "friends" who are just unable to perceive there's something not quite right in their thinking or behaviour and slip into the "wounded buffalo" mode when pointed out to them... that's the knee-jerk reaction to "I/we am/are here to save you!" from the unconscious "mind" the "predators" handed down to us in Castaneda's words.

So... how to un-hypnotize skull-dwelling zombies who are either under the spell of post-hypnotic orders and behaviours, or an equivalent, when they are not only unaware of it but would fight anyone attempting to demonstrate it to them... tough catch-22 job!


The answer would be to take adequate steps or gradients with offering points of comparisons to loosen the jarred doors or windows... like with chemtrails showing skies in the 50's and 60's compared to now and go through the "It's all photoshopped" whole 9 yards, etc... (see this video for an alternate explanation: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jMWVUoYNezU).

The trouble is, this forum ain't a clinic and hasn't that many gradient steps to offer. So, when its owner and his mod and admin teams get tired of pulling their guts off the floor and back in their right place; the "To hell with it!" is not very far away.

In this case, Bill offered extra gradient steps and, with that, fine tuned the aims of this forum and the Horus Ra thread as well as the expected conduct.

That is what's at hand and that is what's one need to start with: what's at hand.

[another bob]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Doodah -- this is the crux of the whole thing between 9eagle9 & me -- she was insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

i always prefer to hear advice/suggestions from those who have walked a path like mine -- i.e., i'll listen hard to the first abductee or milab i meet who can tell me in detail how they stopped abductions

hate blowing my own horn, but in my life -- i am 'white' -- i have had 4 different Medicine Men or Women honor me -- none of them called me a wimp/victim -- more likely they saw the fighter

It took me a long time, and some hard knocks, before I came to realize that my own experience (and the lessons thereof) did not necessarily apply to others. This sounds like it would be obvious, but it was quite a revelation to me, and I see that the misconception I was under is a common one among humans. For example, someone has a positive ET encounter, and so they come to believe that all such encounters are of that nature, and vice versa. That's a simplistic example, of course, but serves to illustrate the principle. Once we come to recognize that the world we have been conditioned and programed to perceive as an objective, solid reality is in fact utterly subjective -- a projection of mind -- then we can begin to be more tolerant and accepting of others' experiences and insights that might appear to contradict our own, based on our own interpretations on perception. We may find equal parts agreement and disagreement, or reactions to our reports may be tilted in one direction -- that doesn't really matter. What matters is that we remain open, and recognize that even the highest human wisdom is no more than a thin strand of hair blown about in the vast unknown.

[doodah]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Doodah -- this is the crux of the whole thing between 9eagle9 & me -- she was insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

i always prefer to hear advice/suggestions from those who have walked a path like mine -- i.e., i'll listen hard to the first abductee or milab i meet who can tell me in detail how they stopped abductions

hate blowing my own horn, but in my life -- i am 'white' -- i have had 4 different Medicine Men or Women honor me -- none of them called me a wimp/victim -- more likely they saw the fighter

Wynderer, I leave open the possibility that what you say about your situation is true.

And yet, and yet... Let's go deep here. The Greys are apparently extremely adept at manipulating us. Basically they can take control of OUR ability to experience our own illusion.

We don't acknowledge that that's what we're doing here, creating all this that we call physical reality, down to the quark and string level, and then experiencing it. But that is what the great teachers say we're doing, nonetheless: This world is Maya, Illusion -- literally.

The Greys can cause us to believe whatever illusion they wish us to see or experience and we see and experience it as "real" solid reality. In our own myths, the Daoine Sidhe, the Elves, also have that ability, to take charge of our sensory systems so that we see, hear, feel, taste, smell, whatever they wish us to, and we believe it is all "real."

Let's say that all of the above is true, that WE really are creating what we call this physical world, and that the Greys and Elves have learned how to consciously manipulate whatever we are also manipulating (but we don't know we're doing this) - PLUS - they can somehow take charge of and redirect our sensory mechanisms so that we believe in their creation rather than our own.

If that is true, then it is ALL illusion and you should be able to take back control of your own illusion and 9e is right. But that is an extremely DEEP level of knowledge or an extremely fine level of awareness, which I personally do not claim beyond some limited actual magical manifestation. I am more like most people, that it is all very mysterious and I do not claim mastery. (Or, that is to say, I, like everyone else, HAVE mastery, but I do not have conscious awareness of having it.)

This is really off topic! But fun! Sorry everyone.

[nomadguy]

Posted by wynderer (here)
insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

It is my view that shamanic/metaphysical techniques may actually invite encounters like abductions not deter them. And that certain toxins or drugs can open gateways of our mind or perhaps our frequency and that this can make us more vulnerable to encounters of this sort.

... I have no opinion on the matter of 9eagle9 and the conduct on the Horus-Ra thread. However I will add that I stopped logging into this forum for around a month or two because of that very thread. I was purely shocked to see what content had arisen there.
I actually got very very angry about it and sort of lashed out with a string of comments here and there. Finally I stopped myself and decided not to come back until I had a better attitude about it. Some of the issues expressed here tend to bring up intense sentiment in some people, myself included.

Carry on ~

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by doodah (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
Doodah -- this is the crux of the whole thing between 9eagle9 & me -- she was insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

i always prefer to hear advice/suggestions from those who have walked a path like mine -- i.e., i'll listen hard to the first abductee or milab i meet who can tell me in detail how they stopped abductions

hate blowing my own horn, but in my life -- i am 'white' -- i have had 4 different Medicine Men or Women honor me -- none of them called me a wimp/victim -- more likely they saw the fighter

Wynderer, I leave open the possibility that what you say about your situation is true.

And yet, and yet... Let's go deep here. The Greys are apparently extremely adept at manipulating us. Basically they can take control of OUR ability to experience our own illusion.

We don't acknowledge that that's what we're doing here, creating all this that we call physical reality, down to the quark and string level, and then experiencing it. But that is what the great teachers say we're doing, nonetheless: This world is Maya, Illusion -- literally.

The Greys can cause us to believe whatever illusion they wish us to see or experience and we see and experience it as "real" solid reality. In our own myths, the Daoine Sidhe, the Elves, also have that ability, to take charge of our sensory systems so that we see, hear, feel, taste, smell, whatever they wish us to, and we believe it is all "real."

Let's say that all of the above is true, that WE really are creating what we call this physical world, and that the Greys and Elves have learned how to consciously manipulate whatever we are also manipulating (but we don't know we're doing this) - PLUS - they can somehow take charge of and redirect our sensory mechanisms so that we believe in their creation rather than our own.

If that is true, then it is ALL illusion and you should be able to take back control of your own illusion and 9e is right. But that is an extremely DEEP level of knowledge or an extremely fine level of awareness, which I personally do not claim beyond some limited actual magical manifestation. I am more like most people, that it is all very mysterious and I do not claim mastery. (Or, that is to say, I, like everyone else, HAVE mastery, but I do not have conscious awareness of having it.)

This is really off topic! But fun! Sorry everyone.

I'll chime in again even though this is still a bit off topic ....

Consider that the only reason why "they" are interested in us humans is because we create a reality, that they cannot. I have come to believe all what we would call "dark forces" are only motivated to control us because we (in a sense - long story not worth deciphering now but those who know, know), control "reality" (which is of course just an illusion anyway -- but I digress).

The "dark ones" or whatever label we want, are interested in the same thing our super elite is (coincidence?) - to control the masses to contral a certain reality -- although the big players want to control more than earth -- they want to prevent the change that is humanities birthright, as that effect would ripple accross the the multiverse. Why would this happen? - because we have the potential to be directly connected to source -- they do not have that capability -- and that is how this universe can change via humans -- because Source itself has the potential to be expressed directly through us and into this realm without having to traverse all the other layers of consciousness.

I wish I had more time to explain the bigger picture here, but I'm already off topic so just give this a ponder. My 2 cents

[wynderer]

have you read thru Houman's Horus-Ra thread yet?

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by doodah (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
Doodah -- this is the crux of the whole thing between 9eagle9 & me -- she was insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

i always prefer to hear advice/suggestions from those who have walked a path like mine -- i.e., i'll listen hard to the first abductee or milab i meet who can tell me in detail how they stopped abductions

hate blowing my own horn, but in my life -- i am 'white' -- i have had 4 different Medicine Men or Women honor me -- none of them called me a wimp/victim -- more likely they saw the fighter

Wynderer, I leave open the possibility that what you say about your situation is true.

And yet, and yet... Let's go deep here. The Greys are apparently extremely adept at manipulating us. Basically they can take control of OUR ability to experience our own illusion.

We don't acknowledge that that's what we're doing here, creating all this that we call physical reality, down to the quark and string level, and then experiencing it. But that is what the great teachers say we're doing, nonetheless: This world is Maya, Illusion -- literally.

The Greys can cause us to believe whatever illusion they wish us to see or experience and we see and experience it as "real" solid reality. In our own myths, the Daoine Sidhe, the Elves, also have that ability, to take charge of our sensory systems so that we see, hear, feel, taste, smell, whatever they wish us to, and we believe it is all "real."

Let's say that all of the above is true, that WE really are creating what we call this physical world, and that the Greys and Elves have learned how to consciously manipulate whatever we are also manipulating (but we don't know we're doing this) - PLUS - they can somehow take charge of and redirect our sensory mechanisms so that we believe in their creation rather than our own.

If that is true, then it is ALL illusion and you should be able to take back control of your own illusion and 9e is right. But that is an extremely DEEP level of knowledge or an extremely fine level of awareness, which I personally do not claim beyond some limited actual magical manifestation. I am more like most people, that it is all very mysterious and I do not claim mastery. (Or, that is to say, I, like everyone else, HAVE mastery, but I do not have conscious awareness of having it.)

This is really off topic! But fun! Sorry everyone.

I'll chime in again even though this is still a bit off topic ....

Consider that the only reason why "they" are interested in us humans is because we create a reality, that they cannot. I have come to believe all what we would call "dark forces" are only motivated to control us because we (in a sense - long story not worth deciphering now but those who know, know), control "reality" (which is of course just an illusion anyway -- but I digress).

The "dark ones" or whatever label we want, are interested in the same thing our super elite is (coincidence?) - to control the masses to contral a certain reality -- although the big players want to control more than earth -- they want to prevent the change that is humanities birthright, as that effect would ripple accross the the multiverse. Why would this happen? - because we have the potential to be directly connected to source -- they do not have that capability -- and that is how this universe can change via humans -- because Source itself has the potential to be expressed directly through us and into this realm without having to traverse all the other layers of consciousness.

I wish I had more time to explain the bigger picture here, but I'm already off topic so just give this a ponder. My 2 cents

¤=[Post Update]=¤

the choice of abductees & milabs is determined based on bloodlines &/or gifts -- our USA military is heavily involved also

altho i think there are mass abductions going on by the Greys right now-- whole neighborhoods/towns -- people lined up like zombies, in & out of the ships for the mind-control upgrades while their bodies are sleeping-- the 'sheeple' abductees, from the controllers' p.o.v.

Posted by nomadguy (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
insisting that shamanic/metaphysical techniques -- of which i am not ignorant -- would stop abductions -- & i know they can't

It is my view that shamanic/metaphysical techniques may actually invite encounters like abductions not deter them. And that certain toxins or drugs can open gateways of our mind or perhaps our frequency and that this can make us more vulnerable to encounters of this sort.

... I have no opinion on the matter of 9eagle9 and the conduct on the Horus-Ra thread. However I will add that I stopped logging into this forum for around a month or two because of that very thread. I was purely shocked to see what content had arisen there.
I actually got very very angry about it and sort of lashed out with a string of comments here and there. Finally I stopped myself and decided not to come back until I had a better attitude about it. Some of the issues expressed here tend to bring up intense sentiment in some people, myself included.

Carry on ~

[doodah]

Re DeDukshyn, post #133:

Know ye not that ye are gods?

[modwiz]

I eat alone so that I can think. I eat in a dining hall that often has hundreds of people, many of them my friends, but I eat alone and my friends know that. I do so that I may think and reconsider my day and actions. Sometimes even my conduct of a few days past will enter in to those ruminations. I have found some conduct of mine in the Horus Ra thread to be inappropriate. I indulged in some playful humor with 9eagle and perhaps a few others. Though my intent was not mean spirited, it was wrong headed and disrespectful in the extreme, IMO.

No matter how rough I believe things should be allowed to get, there should be safe places. Places where the rules are different and a 'time out' of sorts can be and is observed. I was not mindful of the sanctuary of the Horus Ra thread and what I intended to be humor ultimately became buffoonery, because much of reality is situational.

Just last night during a skype conversation with 9eagle, I told her that her comments to Wyn, while completely valid, were poorly placed in the Horus Ra thread. A side thread, like this, would have been appropriate, but not that thread. At that time I had forgotten my own oafish behavior. During my dinner it presented itself to me for reconsideration and now must be addressed. For my own self respect and those to who I may have offended.

I would like to apologize to any who read my posts in that thread and found them inappropriate, out of place or enraging. I can forgive myself, and will, but the sting of embarrassment as well as knowing I disrespected a safe place for others is still in process for me. This public apology will certainly help me.

I hope it will also help any that were offended by my behavior.

I cannot agree more with Bill about the importance of that thread. I know there is another, or two, of equal importance. I will keep my wits about me and look to play or opine where it will not be a clear violation of that cyber-space.

[SilentFeathers]

RE: 9eagle9

Perhaps this guy should of been hired first by the Avalon team before booting her......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QGeVTnAjT04

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by modwiz (here)
I eat alone so that I can think. I eat in a dining hall that often has hundreds of people, many of them my friends, but I eat alone and my friends know that. I do so that I may think a reconsider my day and actions. Sometimes even my conduct of a few days past will enter in to those ruminations. I have found some conduct of mine in the Horus Ra thread to be inappropriate. I indulged in some playful humor with 9eagle and perhaps a few others. Though my intent was not mean spirited, it was wrong headed and disrespectful in the extreme, IMO.

No matter how rough I believe things should be allowed to get, there should be safe places. Places where the rules are different and a 'time out' of sorts can be and is observed. I was not mindful of the sanctuary of the Horus Ra thread and what I intended to be humor ultimately became buffoonery, because much of reality is situational.

Just last night during a skype conversation with 9eagle, I told her that her her comments to Wyn, while completely valid, were poorly placed in the Horus Ra thread. A side thread, like this, would have been appropriate, but not that thread. At that time I had forgotten my own oafish behavior. During my dinner it presented itself to me for reconsideration and now must be addressed. For my own self respect and those to who I may have offended.

I would like to apologize to any who read my posts in that thread and found them inappropriate, out of place or enraging. I can forgive myself, and will, but the sting of embarrassment as well as knowing I disrespected a safe place for other is still in process for me. This public apology will certainly help me.

I hope it will also help any that were offended by my behavior.

I cannot agree more with Bill about the importance of that thread. I know there is another, or two, of equal importance. I will keep my wits about me and look to play or opine where it will not be a clear violation of that cyber-space.

For some reason modwiz, I just couldn't be offended by you even if you tried. But, I have read enough of your posts to know where you are always coming from. I think that this is an important part of the conduct on the forum in general -- If one is lecturing - know your audience, if one is reading / contemplating, try to see where the speaker / lecturer is coming from before even forming a thought. If I had done this consistently, I never would have even been caught up in one of 9eagles games in the first place (because I should have been "smarter" than that). My lesson learned.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by wynderer (here)
have you read thru Houman's Horus-Ra thread yet?

I couldn't get past a few pages when I tried. I think I know where you are going with this, and my response would be a bit like stick in the head no matter how elequantly I try to put it, so here's me keeping myself moderated. Don't mistake this for dislike or judgement - I appreciate many of your posts.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Just last night during a skype conversation with 9eagle, I told her that her her comments to Wyn, while completely valid, were poorly placed in the Horus Ra thread. A side thread, like this, would have been appropriate, but not that thread. At that time I had forgotten my own oafish behavior. During my dinner it presented itself to me for reconsideration and now must be addressed. For my own self respect and those to who I may have offended.

I would like to apologize to any who read my posts in that thread and found them inappropriate, out of place or enraging. I can forgive myself, and will, but the sting of embarrassment as well as knowing I disrespected a safe place for other is still in process for me. This public apology will certainly help me.

Thank you for this post, modwiz -- it was very much appreciated.

Separately:

Avalon -- like any community, the entire human race included -- is like a body. It has cells, which live and die, and the physical material recycles and replaces itself continuously.

It's the DNA (or the morphic field, pick your paradigm ) that holds the shape and function in place. That is like the mission statement of the forum.

If anyone's not noticed (not meant with sarcasm! You may not have done...) we have a recent influx of very high quality new members. I saluted Angel Hero a couple of weeks ago, who is just 15, but a few days ago her record has been surpassed by a 14-year old whose application confounded us with its maturity and articulacy.

The forum is in good shape. And a number of people who left for their own reasons have asked to return. (Unless they really upset everyone on the way out, they will always be welcome back in.)

I reiterate what I have said, in different forms, many times before. Those with strong, intelligent opinions, born of experience and contemplation, will always be welcomed and appreciated. Grandstanders, egoists, a**holes and bullies will not.

This is not a comment about any individual. It's a statement of the principles upon which I stand, and as I said a little earlier on this thread, they are not negotiable.