Cannabis legislation / legalization

[Humble Janitor]

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I am also of the opinion that marijuana was made illegal to popularize it. There was only a few Mexicans smoking pot before it was made illegal... after... well....

It does interfere with brain development in early teens....

When was the last time you saw a 15 year old with a Valium habit???

Marijuana/hemp was made illegal so cotton, paper, etc big businesses could take over. It had nothing to do with making it more popular.

Seriously, at 15?? You have to be kidding or don't have kids in high school. Scoffing at this infuriates me. True, Valium is passe. Now it's Oxycotin, various other painkillers, and sadly heroin. When I was in high school, it was Quaaludes (not for me though). This is a serious issue in the high schools, regardless of the neighborhood or wealth. We live in a very nice town and my daughter goes to one of the best schools in our state. Just about a year ago, one of her classmates died from an overdose of painkillers. This girl was gorgeous, popular and addicted to pills.

Legalize marijuana and BAN THE ****ING PILLS!

Sorry for swearing but painkiller abuse infuriates me. There is no excuse for it in today's society and Big Pharma/Doctors are to blame for furthering the societal damage from painkiller abuse.

Cigarette smoking also infuriates me, especially when selfish smokers decide that their pathetic habit is more important than the people they love. I can't stand to visit my parents when my mother insists on smoking inside (it's too cold out! wahh!!) and collecting a check because her lungs are so damaged from years of smoking. She has to use several inhalers and a nebulizer everyday. I don't feel bad though. But, I'm not going to tolerate cigarette smoke when it damages my own health, even if it's not direct. I too, have to use an inhaler and I would prefer to stop at that.

My advice to smokers is to wake up, stop being so damn selfish and put the butts out for the last time.

Again, can someone tell me why cigarettes are LEGAL and marijuana is ILLEGAL? Where's the logic in that?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Laurel (here)

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
I am also of the opinion that marijuana was made illegal to popularize it. There was only a few Mexicans smoking pot before it was made illegal... after... well....

It does interfere with brain development in early teens....

When was the last time you saw a 15 year old with a Valium habit???

Marijuana/hemp was made illegal so cotton, paper, etc big businesses could take over. It had nothing to do with making it more popular.

Seriously, at 15?? You have to be kidding or don't have kids in high school. Scoffing at this infuriates me. True, Valium is passe. Now it's Oxycotin, various other painkillers, and sadly heroin. When I was in high school, it was Quaaludes (not for me though). This is a serious issue in the high schools, regardless of the neighborhood or wealth. We live in a very nice town and my daughter goes to one of the best schools in our state. Just about a year ago, one of her classmates died from an overdose of painkillers. This girl was gorgeous, popular and addicted to pills.

Its too bad that the adults in their life were not responsible enough to keep these drugs away from their kids. Most of this stuff is not purchased on the internet but procured from grandma... There are also doctors out there who move it into the mainstream in large quantities.

Take the profit out of it and people will loose interest for the most part. Adults need to be educated on how to manage narcartics in their home. I was working a hospice case recently in a rural community and saw that the hospice nurse had no interest in removing the narcotics from the home after the patient died. Its a shame. In the city hospices that would never happen. All narcotics are disposed of that are in the patients name... so I had to take it upon myself to get rid of them, for there were teenagers around.


Adults also need to learn alternative methods of pain management and we need to get doctors and nurses on board with this. There are some very effective alternatives out there.

Ultimatley its the propaganda of the pharmaceutcal industry that we are up against and thier undending hunger for larger profits, will no concern for who gets taken out in the process.


Did you know that the application of an anti-inflammatory can reduce the need for a lot of narcotics? That homeopathy combination remedies can treat most anxiety conditions? That acupuncture can alleviate a lot of pain. That self hypnosis is a real viable pain control method? That many migraines cure with homeopathy combo remedies? That prolotherapy can not only eliminate joint pain but regenerate cartilage?

Correct the real problems, the lies, the illegalities, the profiteering, the gross negligence and then you will have a greatly reduced need for narcotics as well as a limited access.

Keep putting the petty drug dealer and user in jail and all you will get is higher taxes and a crumbling social system of split and damaged families, people who advance to higher levels of crime, and rich judges and lawyers.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Laurel (here)
[A little over a year ago, I bought Salvia in a regular store. Today it is illegal in my state. It's just crazy. Salvia is not addictive, not something you're going to want to use all the time. It doesn't get you high, but you will trip for about 15 minutes. It opens your mind, is shown to help tremendously with depression, has no harmful side effects and is a very positive experience. So, of course they make it illegal.

Hey, I have a ton of it in my yard. Still legal for sale in my state. Its a hearty perennial.


My sons have also lost friends to methadone and oxycontin. It is a very real problem. Still I largely blame the parents. My kids were never inclined to do these drugs and I know why. Because I sat down and scared the sh^t out of them with real life stories of their use.. teilling them what a side effect is, what a poisoning effect is, telling them what building tolerance means, how many pills will likely do you in, and what mixes will kill you and my own horrifying experience with Darvons taken for the pain of a burn. . and also advised them that they would see friends die... just wait and see... and they did.

As long as adults and families at large are in denial so will be their children. No law, no judge, no social institution can protect them... only their own informed minds.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Mulder (here)
Jury nullification (Jury nullification occurs in a trial when a jury reaches a verdict contrary to the judge's instructions as to the law) is the BEST non-violent way to show up the false war on drugs. I urge every jury to do this because the Govt is responsible for bringing in a lot of the drugs (see Iran-contra scandal for proof) , then they lock-up poor addicts who need to go receive treatment in a hospital for their drug addiction. I saw a great documentary in Canada about injecting rooms and the treatment of addicts. This treatment was even cheaper than the cost of prison!

Absolutely. We as citizens spend a lot of effort avoiding jury duty. The best civil disobedience you can do to effect social change and protect those that would enact their civil liberties is though getting on a jury and refusing to covict.

Thank you for this important post.

[ExomatrixTV]

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It has been almost 20 years since we have had a President that didn't smoke Marijuana. Listen to our last three United States Presidents talk about their use of Marijuana.

Marijuana, it's use is widespread throughout our culture. Marijuana is so prevalent in our culture that it has been almost 20 years since we have had a United States President that didn't use marijuana at some point in their life.

Bill Clinton was the first US President to admit to trying pot. President Clinton admitted to possessing Cannabis but he wouldn't admit to inhaling it or liking it.

Many people don't want to believe that George Bush used cocaine and marijuana. When candidate Bush was asked about his past drug use he refused to answer the questions about the indiscretions of his youth preferring to say that they were irrelevant. The answer to whether he had used marijuana was no longer open to debate when one of his advisors, Doug Wead, released tapes in 2005 that he secretly recorded of phone conversations with George Bush when he was a presidential candidate.

Barack Obama was the first US president to openly admit to inhaling marijuana. Not only did Barack Obama admit to Marijuana usage, he also wrote about positive drug experiences in his 1995 book "Dreams of my Father".

The last three Americans that have risen to the status of President of the United States have committed the crime of possession and use of Marijuana. Marijuana use is so common that the National Institute on Drug Abuse says that as of 2003 "More than 94 million Americans have tried marijuana at least once".

In 2009 858,408 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses. Not only do those arrested face imprisonment, they also face a criminal record that will remain with them for the rest of their lives and will be the basis of discrimination in housing, education, and employment. When filling out an application the question is not "have you ever used marijuana", the question is "did you get caught?" Despite the widespread prevalence of Marijuana in our nation we have put those that get caught into a permanent underclass and place obstacles in their way for their entire life. Does this benefit our nation? Is it right that we encourage discrimination against those who got caught doing what so many of us have done? Does making it harder for those who got caught to get an education or find work lower the productivity of our economy?

Ask yourself: "If Bill Clinton, George Bush, or Barack Obama had been arrested and given a criminal record while they were committing youthful indiscretions would they have been able to move on with their lives and become the President of the United States?

My name is Chris and I am a pothead for life, even though I no longer smoke. I am a pothead for life because I have a criminal record for possession of Cannabis.

End the Discrimination!

Dad Gives Son Medical Marijuana Battling Brain Cancer Hijacked Governments Criminalizing Healing?

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[Vitalux]

I have been following information lately about the Freeman Movement.

Is there any evidence to support that one can proclaim inherent birth right status of Common Law to be exempt from the state prosecuting them for smoking marijuana?


The reason why I ask is that I see them talk about evoking this rite common law to avoid taxes or having to travel with a drivers licence, but I have failed to see any one provide much discussion in terms of drug laws such as marijuana or other scheduled natural plants that are controlled by criminal code drug laws?


Discussion or thoughts?

[we-R-one]

Yes! With common law, there is only a crime committed if you have an injured party, plain and simple.

[Vitalux]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Yes! With common law, there is only a crime committed if you have an injured party, plain and simple.

It would be neat if someone could come forward that has actually used this in a case and won.
I do clearly see how the theory of this should work.

I would imagine that if the public at large was to become aware of this, that ....there would be a whole new way of doing things.

[Praxis]

You are assuming that the law matters, whether common or other . . .

[we-R-one]

oh exactly Vitalux! ...take note of the two following definitions and herein lies part of the problem:

The government that is currently set up is known as the de facto government. Please note the definition from Black Law's Dictionary 5th edition:



GOVERNMENT DE FACTO-(this is how we've been set up): A government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the constitution of the nation, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful, or deemed wrongful or unjust, which, nevertheless, receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.
PLEASE NOTE LAST SENTENCE....."receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." THIS IS REFERRING TO "WE THE PEOPLE". WE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER SO WE ARE OBEDIENT.

The de facto government became possible because the de jure government was no longer inhabited. Please note definition of de jure from Black Law’s Dictionary 5th edition:

GOVERNMENT DE JURE- A government of right; the true and lawful government; a government established according to the constitution of the nation, and lawfully entitled to recognition and supremacy and the administration of the nation, but which is actually cut off from power or control. A government deemed lawful, or deemed rightful or just, which, nevertheless, has been supplanted or displaced; that is to say, which receives not presently (although it received formerly) habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.



The de facto government did not happen overnight. Several steps were put into place to ensure it's establishment. One being the Corporation Act of 1871. This was the beginning.......moving on 100+ years ahead you then had all the city's, counties, and states further solidify the corporate status via the agreement of obtaining EIN numbers, in which you can find all of them on DUNS AND BRADSTREET.

You see it's all about jurisdiction and right now you are a corporate slave via your all cap name, birth certificate and social security #. Every contract you sign, mortgage etc, in which you acknowledge your all cap name is really an agreement that binds you to the jurisdiction of the corporation. So many people have acquiesced that it has become difficult for those of us who no longer want to participate in "their" system. Part of the fraud lies in the fact that you were never told this, which if I remember correctly is a violation of contract law and can therefore make the agreement null and void.

The other problem you have are the courts themselves. Under common-law or color of law, the courts follow what's called interpretive ruling. Meaning they can interpret the law as they see fit, regardless of what you think is right or wrong. This is why nothing is black and white as it leaves the door open for the judge to do as he pleases and will often favor the corporation. The courts are so corrupt, which further adds to the difficulty of the entire situation.

If you were to challenge marijuana possession in court you would most likely you would have to prove that you have standing, meaning... the corporation doesn't have jurisdiction over you. Well how do you get standing? Depends on who you ask.....in my state we have made some headway with a 9th Amendment proclamation(affidavit) being recorded in the county where one resides. The point of this is, is to "declare" yourself no longer a part of the corporation. This is no sure thing, as each case is specific unto itself and if you decide to take a pro se approach, you had better know what you're doing. These guys know all the tricks in the book and if you aren't on top of your game you will be sucked into the system as you're merely seen as a cash cow to them and nothing more. It's not about justice, it's about the just-us club and you aint in it! Choose the state wisely, as to where you want to challenge their jurisdiction over you, because we are a long way away from building a precedence. I deeply respect those who have spent many years challenging the system, and paid dearly with their loses, all for sake of paving the way for the rest of us in hopes of re-establishing the republic that has long been un-inhabited.


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[Vitalux]

thank you so much =we-are-one

What might be good is for more folks to become aware, and form communities for support and information to further this awareness for others.

I totally appreciate your input and disclaimer and I do understand what you are conveying.

It is interesting that people seek the help of a lawyer to navigate the legal system and yet, the very lawyer only serves to perpetuate them further down the rabbit hole.

It might be interesting if groups of informed and aware people were to form communities and challenge this GOVERNMENT DE FACTO so that others could see that a parasite has invaded our nest and is eating us whole.

[we-R-one]

I like your idea of forming communities and have made such attempts. The problem is....people don't want the truth as they still operate in fear. Because they are programmed drones they don't believe what you're telling them as it's not being advertised on mainstream media or on the local newspapers stand. I mean no disrespect when I say that, but it's the truth. You would think the patriot groups would be ideal to handle this type of information. I have found unfortunately to the contrary- these guys can't step outside of the box, most likely due to fear and the other factor that often gets overlooked is ego. I know several patriot leaders in my state(been one myself) and have approached and even done seminars(for free!) giving them the information. My guess is they became overwhelmed with the legal context and didn't know what to do with it. I feel I have done everything I can to simplify the message so they at least walk away with a basic understanding.

My biggest pet peeve is that they won't put it in front of the people! I have been very vocal that it's not their choice to make ("their" meaning the leader of the group), it's the people's choice! This is where ego becomes a huge problem.

Now I don't say this lightly. I spent approx. two years in the forefront of the patriot movement starting two large groups of my own. I stepped away for a time period so I could study the law and further investigate what was really going on. The new leadership unfortunately could not handle the discoveries. What they don't understand is by withholding the information from their community they are creating the very dictatorship that they're trying to fight, by playing God themselves! Unbelievable! Another way of putting it- they're creating the same sheeple effect that they supposedly loathe.

So yes, unfortunately we're getting our asses handed to us and I see no end to it as long as the masses continue to acquiesce. The solution needs to be bottom up, not top down, imo. All attempts need to focus on a local level within each state.

[conk]

There should only be two laws.

1. Do not harm anyone else
2. Do as you say you'll do

[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Yes! With common law, there is only a crime committed if you have an injured party, plain and simple.

It would be neat if someone could come forward that has actually used this in a case and won.
I do clearly see how the theory of this should work.

I would imagine that if the public at large was to become aware of this, that ....there would be a whole new way of doing things.

I'm not sure if it was Svali who said that they were told they could use all the drugs except marijuana because it actually helped their minds. And I think she said that it healed them, too. THAT'S why big pharma helped to make it illegal because it healed many things. It competes with their horrible FDA approved nasty drugs....

Of course, I'd love to thrash our elected officials for going beyond their authorities to make this and many other things illegal. This is NOT a right given to them by the Constitution.... Maybe we should form a People's Court and try them there. Heaven knows we won't get justice from a court system that's designed to protect the US corporation and its interests. Not ours.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Yes! With common law, there is only a crime committed if you have an injured party, plain and simple.
It would be neat if someone could come forward that has actually used this in a case and won.
I do clearly see how the theory of this should work.

I would imagine that if the public at large was to become aware of this, that ....there would be a whole new way of doing things.

I'm not sure if it was Svali who said that they were told they could use all the drugs except marijuana because it actually helped their minds. And I think she said that it healed them, too. THAT'S why big pharma helped to make it illegal because it healed many things. It competes with their horrible FDA approved nasty drugs....

Of course, I'd love to thrash our elected officials for going beyond their authorities to make this and many other things illegal. This is NOT a right given to them by the Constitution.... Maybe we should form a People's Court and try them there. Heaven knows we won't get justice from a court system that's designed to protect the US corporation and its interests. Not ours.

Hi Maia,

Thanks for your input. Can I ask that you fix my quote. You are mixing my comment in with what Vitalux said and I want it to be clear to the reader who said what. Thanks.

It would be nice if we could revert back to common law. I hate to say this, but under the current system, we have no rights as we are under the jurisdiction of the corporation.....legally. So really what's being done to us isn't unconstitutional, it's nonconstitutional and they are within their rights to follow corporate law. That's fine and dandy and I'm not suggesting the dismantling of the corporation, but rather giving the people the right to choose whether they want to be in the corporation. There will be some that would rather be under the the control of the government corporation, that's their right. In the same manner it's each individuals right to opt out if they want to. The system is set up to handle both common law and common-law, but there are many factors in place that are not allowing that to happen.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Yes! With common law, ...

It would be neat if ...

...

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Thanks for your input. Can I ask that you fix my quote.

Quoting fixed .

The forum tools for quoting posts are a bit confusing .

[we-R-one]

Thanks Paul. I hate to be anal, but when you're putting yourself out there in regards to this topic, you gotta be careful.

[M0JFK]

A good website for more information on common law and act's is a website run by John Harris at www.tpuc.org. Plenty of video's on the website for your education can be found there on all things to do with your straw-man and you.

[Vitalux]

Thank you we-R-one

I know for myself, I have been really captivated and intrigued by learning this insight of our legal system and government ( or lack of).

One of my goals is to diminish fear by understanding the environment around me for which I exist in.
Very much as in your description, I am a soul having a physical experience here on this soil we call Earth, and circumstances has put me here on soil in Canada.
My wish is to understand my rights so I can navigate through this 3-dimension with happiness and with absence of fear.

Knowledge is a powerful tool, and the truth definitely can set us free.

I enjoy knowing this new found knowledge and I am going to convey it to others too ( if they choose to listen).
It makes me feel a bit more empowered knowing I have fundamental rights as a human being under the Bill of Rights ( I hope).

Like all things, it helps ease the mind a bit when you feel like you have even a small twig in your hand to fend off a lion that is attacking you.



The small bit of knowledge of "who I am" or more important " who I am not" brings solace to know that I am a free man.


It is also so refreshing to encounter another soul through my travels here in this space, that allows my awareness to increase mulitdirectionally

- Much love

[we-R-one]

Thanks Vitalux. Yes it's a real mind blower when you first start heading down this rabbit hole and it does get very interesting once you get over being pissed off at what's been done. The key is not to operate in fear no matter what, as that's how they win. It's a game and that's how you have to perceive it. They utilize the basis of belief systems to scare you into complying. You are taught to believe that anyone who gets arrested or served papers must be doing something wrong and therefore are labeled as bad. Most people are tried in public before their case even goes to court. It's so easy to judge based on these false belief systems which have been put in place to demoralize individuals by creating the perception that they have violated society. I am shocked at how many people in authority positions both implement and participate in the enforcement of laws that wrongfully enslave humanity; alas, this is the game of duality, and this is living in 3D, this is the Polarity Integration Game.

The knowledge that set me free and allowed me to no longer operate in fear was my own personal experience with reincarnation. This new found revelation was key in developing a stance against the fear based obstacles one must face while living through the atrocities of a 3rd dimensional existence. Having the ability to recognize memories of a significant past life, which I could verify utilizing my own 3D senses, validated the existence of my own consciousnesses as real, rather than my physical body. Once you understand this, the fear melts away....well, at least for me it did. I highly recommend it for those willing to explore outside the corporate matrix belief system, that one has been programmed to acknowledge as the only real truth - ah...and yet another rabbit hole that must be addressed.....one can never be bored with the playground of Alice In Wonderland nearby.

Much love to you too, and may the higher frequencies of love and compassion guide and protect you through your journey of discovery!