Dr. Karla Turner

[RunningDeer]

Thank you, shadowstalker. The presentation is in six sections. Good for short attention span days.

[Hervé]

A few PDFs of some of her writings:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ar...othefringe.pdf

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ar...deofangels.pdf

http://karlaturner.org/books/Karla%2...%20-%20ocr.pdf

google or ixquick.com... whatever your favorite search engine, for PDFs.

[CdnSirian]

Wow. Pretty incredible. Thanks for posting!

[NancyV]

Thanks for posting all the info about Karla Turner! Wow, she is so logical and sane about her assessments of the new age movement and about those who believe what the ET's tell them, whether it is good or scary. It probably also applies to channeled info since we can be so easily fooled even when the energy feels awesome. As she says, why should we believe anything most of them say? We are flattered when told that we have a "special mission" or that we're unique, chosen... we want to believe that so it allows us to be more easily manipulated.

As far as most of them being benevolent, I've never trusted any other dimensional beings or ET's. I was impressed that she said showing them anger was very effective in getting them to stop what they were doing. I found that out on my own, probably because I am somewhat aggressive to anyone that seems to be manipulating me. We have lost a great speaker and researcher with Dr. Turner's death. It sounds to me like she may have been given cancer but of course we don't know that for sure.

[Vitalux]

It's good to see that members appreciated this thread.

[witchy1]

Thanks Vitalux I had not heard of her before and enjoyed the vid. The taking of souls is very much part of what is going on a Dulce and the reptons.

Sadly those who go there, do not come out. (see the Dulce thread with Mystery)

W

[EC1000]

Posted by Paul (here)
For those who prefer to read, a Google search, such as for "Dr. Karla Turner abduction", turns up several possibilities, such as this one, which I just found to be a good read: Alien Abductions in the Gingerbread House

thanks, Paul. I am one of those that prefers to read! I'll check it out.

[Kristin]

Great info and terrific use of discernment on her part.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[The Lawnman]

[Delight] I completely agree with your comments regarding claims made on this forum. There is often too much speculation and conjecture presented as facts. We all need to be vigilant and mindful of what is being presented as facts, when in reality its really conjecture or opinion.

[Corncrake]

I think it is very interesting Karla Turner discusses layers of memories and abductees being seduced by feelings of love and well being. This clip of a missing time experience I found on Colin Andrew's website demonstrates exactly this. http://www.colinandrews.net/UFO.html One of the children states that he 'just wanted it to land and go away with it'. I have no idea if all extra terrestrials have a negative hidden agenda - and certainly want to believe some have our best interests in mind - but as far as one is able we must be vigilant.

[Vitalux]

Thank you so much Corncake

I watched the youtube video and I am have just reposted it again so that others might wish to view it too.

From what I have gathered from they study here, is that these events of alien abduction have a very high frequency of happening.
The difficult part to comprehend for most is that we are:

1. We are dealing with an entity that can completely take control of ones perception of reality and time while removing all memories of the event from the abductee.
2. The entities appear to be able to block or control our reality (perception) on massive a scale.
3. How does one try and understand an entity that is so highly technologically advanced that they appear to remain invisible to all our senses while they interact in our reality.

It is an interesting phenomenon to study, because there appears to be enough evidence to support that alien abduction is real.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2XolibkHCNk

[Maia Gabrial]

I agree that she was a brave woman who brought alot of attention to the abduction phenomena. I did a thread on exactly this several months ago.... But worth repeating for the many NEW Avalonians!

[Hervé]

No real need for highly advanced technology, really:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Hypnosis and the subjects who are under such a control bring forth a wealth of implications when analysed thoroughly...

Some of you must have heard of, or read, the experiment of "The third man in the room"?

Here is one version taken from http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm:

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapy to stop bad habits does not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessable to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

Thus... anyone can be hypnoptized, it's just a matter of contourning the individual's belief system.

Thus "magic" and all these supernatural phenomena... rendered unable to see who's doing it.

Thus "terrorism"... inquisition... crusades... Hashshashins... genocides... all for the "good cause" and with little justifications needed like "the commies are invading Panama/Guatemala/Honduras/Chile/etc..."

Thus abductees and their recounts of how an entire planet can be programmed... which I think is what efields, above, is talking about. If not, here is a reference about it: Programming of a Planet (.zip file)... a simplified version of it being the one of the magician getting tired of chasing his flock of sheep around and ending up hypnotizing the whole lot... that it's good for them to keep together and be sheered and slaughtered and roasted and...

... and on, and on, and on...

[Vitalux]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I agree that she was a brave woman who brought alot of attention to the abduction phenomena. I did a thread on exactly this several months ago.... But worth repeating for the many NEW Avalonians!

Maia I would be most interested in reviewing the information in that old thread that you posted months ago.
If possible could you post the link here as well?
Plus I would be most interested in learning about your feedback on your study of Karla's experiences as well, as you would have a head start to understanding and having time to digest the facts.

Since reading Karla's books, and studying her interviews and lectures I tend to really have a different view of our ET associates.
When one starts to encounter information of old ladies being gang raped, and children being sexually abused in alien abductee encounters ( re: Masquerade of Angels), one really has to stop and re-evaluate what may be happening. It can all be rather confusing, and quite contradictory.

[Corncrake]

I don't want to go too off topic but there have been several threads in the past on Derren Brown the British illusionist and hypnotist. There was a thread called <<Power of Hypnosis and Free Will>> amongst others. I don't want to repeat all that has been said before but if you are interested there are many episodes of his television programmes on you-tube that demonstrate the extraordinary feats that can be achieved under hypnotic suggestion. For example there was one programme demonstrating quite effectively that Robert Kennedy could have been killed by a mind controlled assassin but the one that really intrigued me was called the 'Invisible Man' where Derren Brown became invisible to the student in front of him. These cases demonstrate how susceptible most of us are to hypnotism and suggestion here on Earth so I am more than ready to believe what more advanced beings could be able to do to us. I am particularly interested in the subject as I have failed to be hypnotised by different therapists on three separate occasions.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Corncrake (here)
For example there was one programme demonstrating quite effectively that Robert Kennedy could have been killed by a mind controlled assassin but the one that really intrigued me was called the 'Invisible Man' where Derren Brown became invisible to the student in front of him. These cases demonstrate how susceptible most of us are to hypnotism and suggestion here on Earth so I am more than ready to believe what more advanced beings could be able to do to us. I am particularly interested in the subject as I have failed to be hypnotised by different therapists on three separate occasions.

Thank you Corncrake, I definitely do appreciate your feedback and I will study more of the information about Derren Brown the British illusionist and hypnotist.
I actually have been on a long road of discovery, and started to analyze the subject of hypnotism about 2 years ago.
When I was younger (1980's) I use to go to clubs and watch illusionists and hypnotists perform for public entertainment and I was always fascinated and curious.



There is no doubt whatsoever, that the general public is not aware as to the absolute power that hypnotism covers.
For example, for whatever reason, we seem to be built with a kind of " control access panel" to our reality and awareness.
It is odd that whoever, or whatever created our bodies, created this control mechanism.
Furthermore, the subconscious mind, appears to almost behave as a separate entity, dictating what our conscious mind is allowed to perceive or understand.


Understanding this, allows one to further understand what information that Dr. Turner is conveying.

Based on an entity having such incredible control of our reality, then one has to wonder, where does reality begin, and where does it end.

How deep does this rabbit hole go?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I have only just read about her for the first time.
Its similar to the Phil Schneider scenario where he was murdered in the 90's too.
Here is her lecture.
(I found the most interesting parts begin just after the 1 hour mark.)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jKbOpTMmnNg

Here is a short bio with her 3 books in PDF:

http://www.whale.to/b/turner_h.html

or her 3 books on scribd:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100295685/...r-Karla-Turner

Extract of biog:

Karla was widely respected in the UFO community for her research on alien abduction. A scholar and professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a shocking series of experiences and recollections that forced them to recognize that they were all abductees.

Karla's response was to drop her professional university career and turn her full attention to abduction research. Her first book, Into the Fringe (Berkley Books, 1992), told of her own experiences and those of her family. Her second book, Taken - Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda (Kelt Works, 1994), profiled the abduction stories of eight women whose experiences included both "alien" and human intrusions, and both benign and negative elements, illustrating the profoundly complex nature of the abduction mystery. Her most recent book, Masquerade of Angels (Kelt Works, 1994), was co-written with psychic Ted Rice and recounts Ted's lifelong encounters with strange entities whose identity hovered in a shadowland between angelic and demonic. Karla was working on another book when she became ill in early 1995.

Here is more recent info regarding strange deaths of those that were associated with her:

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/about-dr-karla-turner

extract:

Turner's research associate Barbara Bartholic and Barbara's husband Bob were involved in a high-speed automobile collision in 2010. The news reported that the other vehicle was being driven by a carjacker who had just stolen it not long before, but somehow managed to flee the scene and disappear despite a reported impact speed of over 100 MPH. Bob died from his injuries shortly thereafter, and Barbara spent several weeks in the hospital.

Following her discharge, Barbara told me on the phone that she was certain that the accident had been deliberately engineered in order to punish her for having allowed me to visit her and Bob at their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma for three days in 2009 and view her private research materials. She also stated that when she was in the hospital, several acquaintances of hers visited her, speaking sympathetic phrases such as "how ARE you?" in a mocking tone.

[MistahMojoRisin]

I watched this months ago and found it interesting. I don't feel everything was spot on but if we take the examples of and stories associated with her interviews of abductees, we can learn a lot. The light being story was very interesting.
Great post!

[Vitalux]

Eyes wide opening.
Thank you for this post.
I too have studied Dr. Turner's writings and found them quite informative.
Perhaps the information she coveys helps us put a bit more of this puzzle together.
I know it certainly did for me.

One of the major points that I found fascinating was the discovery that alien beings seem to be able to completely control our conscience reality at any given time.
Therefore they can make us become under a deep spell of a hypnotic state.
If that is the case, each of us could very well have already had alien encounters and would fail to even know it.

Her book opens up new worlds.

[bogeyman]

There has been deaths surrounding Betty Andreasson Luca as well. To quote: "...and some months later my two sons died in an automobile accident." http://www.mysterious-america.net/interviewwithbet.html, it maybe more than just government or corporations, it could be darker elements involved.