Evil.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Spiral (here)
Evil is definitely a relativistic pseudo moral construct, certainly in the way it is used in politics, Hilary Clinton comes to mind.

Thats not to say that it doesn't exist, in the form of harming others & living & acting contrary to universal law, in that respect we all need to work at it from moment to moment.

aren't election years great...

we aren't worried about evil Monsters like Stalin and Hitler, instead, we look at current public figures to blame our hurt on...

the word evil in politics is used to draw people towards your choice by defaming another...

once an image of evil is painted in people's minds, it doesn't even matter what they did to become evil, the image stays...

remember when we used to vote for the best, instead of scratching everyone evil to see who is left...

[DeDukshyn]

Evil does exist ... I have seen his face ...

[Finefeather]

Evil is just the opposite of our current point of view...
And so evil has no absolute quality because it can change any time we change our mind.

[Anchor]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Evil does exist ... I have seen his face ...

And laughed at it

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Evil does exist ... I have seen his face ...

And laughed at it

Then I saw it was just a mirror and stopped laughing ... then I started laughing even harder

[The One]

Why is it that we believe that if there is good there as to be a bad.

Why is it if there is dark there is light and so on and so on

The reason for the above is that we have been told there as to be a balance but be honest where did that come from.What if there is know balance

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by The One (here)
Why is it that we believe that if there is good there as to be a bad.

Why is it if there is dark there is light and so on and so on

The reason for the above is that we have been told there as to be a balance but be honest where did that come from.What if there is know balance

My 2 cents: The whole concept of good / evil, right / wrong, only serves to uphold duality within the conscious collective of man - in reality these are abstract concepts, or weak labels with no substance of their own.

[Anchor]

What you need is potential.

Distortion happens because something that was balanced is distorted. Without distortion nothing is happening.

Distortion simply cannot happen without there first being potential.

Potential requires polarity.

Potential eventually becomes the event/movement/work/happening that is a cause and cause has effect and effects are the distortions that ripple out in creation.

These primal things are given clothes, and imagery so that we finite minded thinkers may start to work with the little discernible slices of the infinite.

Good and evil are abstractions that enable us to work with polar opposites. There are plenty of others.

[Tony]

Posted by The One (here)
Why is it that we believe that if there is good there as to be a bad.

Why is it if there is dark there is light and so on and so on

The reason for the above is that we have been told there as to be a balance but be honest where did that come from.What if there is know balance

You make a very good point, this is why forums are so important to keep testing a statement!

If one lived in a place full of light, that there was only light, the word 'dark' would not exist...neither would the word light! If one were omnipresent, being everywhere at the same time, there would be no, up, down, left, right, north or south. In fact there would be no time.

This of course is at the Absolute Ultimate level. We are not that ….yet!

For us everything is relative. You live in the north, I live in the south, if I want to meet you, I go north, likewise you have to come south.

The opposites are natural in a relative world. There is knowing and there is not knowing. We as sentient beings oscillate between the two.

Magnets have opposites, genders are opposites, there is sweet and sour, it is all relative. There is positive and negative, attraction and repulsion, throughout the physical universe....and it's quite useful, in a relative world.

There are opposites in intention. One reads quite often something on these forums that has the opposite intention to the words used. One can either write to clarify in a neutral friendly way, or use the same words but meant as a barb, to bring down. This happens quite often.

Likewise replies can either be read that someone is trying to bring one down, or just address the issue. We can take is either way, because we hold an opposite view point.

The secret is developing a sense of 'one taste', in not seeing differences. This is a gradual process, of learning not to react, just noting. Friend or foe, happy or unhappy, hot or cold, these are just names we give to impermanent states, in a relative world. One will still experience these opposites, but will not have an emotional interaction with them.

Actually thinking about it.....opposites does make life interesting!

Though we can talk about Purity from an Ultimate level, it's fun to wander off now and again!



One with you,
Tony

[DeDukshyn]

In the true experience of the present moment "differences" do not exist, only experiences. The flaw of the current state humanity in this regard is that we are a focusing mechanism that has a stuck focus ring. The range of focus should be from the objective view of the Oneness in the present moment, to the subjective detailed view of the difference engine which is the ego. If we always have that whole range, the details are less scary and "evil" because we can see how it realates to the whole. Without that range of view, the details are easy to get caught up in, where once there, it is often difficult to find your way out without the ability of that objective view.

A friends of mine has ths saying: "When you're up to your eyeballs in alligators, you aren't thinking about how you got to that point or even how you're going to get out because you are far too caught up in fighting off alligators."

It seems that the concept of evil is given greater value when you can't see the objective view.

Abit off topic, but just something I felt like writing ..

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Anchor (here)
What you need is potential.

Distortion happens because something that is balanced is distorted. Without distortion nothing is happening.

Distortion simply cannot happen without there first being potential.

Potential requires polarity.

Potential eventually becomes the event/movement/work/happening that is a cause and cause has effect and effects are the distortions that ripple out in creation.

These primal things are given clothes, and imagery so that we finite minded thinkers may start to work with the little discernible slices of the infinite.

Good and evil are abstractions that enable us to work with polar opposites. There are plenty of others.

If i am understanding your post correctly ...

I am going to add one distinction to your statement - the strength of polarity that is absolutely required for physical creation (the forces of separation acting on oneness), has an undue effect on consciousness at this strength. When Jesus said "be in this world, not of this world" I believe he was indicating the effects of the laws of separation on the mind, and that in the physical realm, these laws at the strength they are at is detrimental to the mind - hence be not of this world (body being a projection of the mind).

This relates to my last post about being the focusing mechanism.

However - you are correct in that even when this occurs less than optimally, learning occurs as a result and movement overall will only be in one direction. The main variations here are timeframe and pain level to be endured - but it will always only be one direction on average, until lthe next creation cycle - but since that is an unmeasurable amount of time in human terms, we need not be concerned.

[Anchor]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
If i am understanding your post correctly ...

I am going to add one distinction to your statement - the strength of polarity that is absolutely required for physical creation (the forces of separation acting on oneness), has an undue effect on consciousness at this strength.

First, I made a mistake. I had to change the first line, there is an "is" there that should have been a "was", the first one after "balance". I edited my post after you quoted it.

Strength of polarity is a relative concept. It goes from none to infinity, which introduces a few complexities into this explanation. Along the way though there are quanta, and within sets of adjacent quanta different kinds of experience can be experienced. These sets of quanta have been defined as density of experience.

Along with polarity there is movement - vibration.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
When Jesus said "be in this world, not of this world" I believe he was indicating the effects of the laws of separation on the mind, and that in the physical realm, these laws at the strength they are at is detrimental to the mind - hence be not of this world (body being a projection of the mind).

There is a good chance I misunderstood this, but...

The mechanics of our current density (a space/time) construct enable us to experience a certain way but with ever increasing awareness and aspiration toward en experience in the next less dense one!

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
If i am understanding your post correctly ...

I am going to add one distinction to your statement - the strength of polarity that is absolutely required for physical creation (the forces of separation acting on oneness), has an undue effect on consciousness at this strength. When Jesus said "be in this world, not of this world" I believe he was indicating the effects of the laws of separation on the mind, and that in the physical realm, these laws at the strength they are at is detrimental to the mind - hence be not of this world (body being a projection of the mind).

This relates to my last post about being the focusing mechanism.

However - you are correct in that even when this occurs less than optimally, learning occurs as a result and movement overall will only be in one direction. The main variations here are timeframe and pain level to be endured - but it will always only be one direction on average, until lthe next creation cycle - but since that is an unmeasurable amount of time in human terms, we need not be concerned.

First, I made a mistake. I had to change the first line, there is an "is" there that should have been a "was", the first one after "balance". I edited my post after you quoted it.

Strength of polarity is a relative concept. It goes from none to infinity, which introduces a few complexities into this explanation. Along the way though there are quanta, and within sets of adjacent quanta different kinds of experience can be experienced. These sets of quanta have been defined as density of experience.

Along with polarity there is movement - vibration.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
When Jesus said "be in this world, not of this world" I believe he was indicating the effects of the laws of separation on the mind, and that in the physical realm, these laws at the strength they are at is detrimental to the mind - hence be not of this world (body being a projection of the mind).

There is a good chance I misunderstood this, but...

The mechanics of our current density (a space/time) construct enable us to experience a certain way but with ever increasing awareness and aspiration toward en experience in the next less dense one!

We are saying the exact same things then - just in different ways Damn language!

[Tony]

And then there is Agenda 21.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9GykzQWlXJs

[GarethBKK]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
THE DISTORTIONS OF EGO = THE FOUR MARAS.
These four demonic activities are directed at building and fortifying our concept of 'self.'

The mara of pacifying appears as devaputra mara.
It attempts to make peace by using pleasure and security, to eliminate what is unpleasant. It is an imitation of genuine pacifying, which is beyond any self-serving strategy ( … “there, there - it will be alright, trust me”).

The mara of enriching is skanda mara, the mara of accumulating.
Ego takes the natural growth and turns it into its own ground. It takes the richness, and turns it into my wealth (… “see how clever I am”).

The mara of magnetising is klesha mara.
One attempts to attract, to feed one's ego with what is desirable, based on the possessive emotions ( … “I enjoy praying for others” ).

The mara of destroying is Yama mara.
Yama mara, instead of destroying what needs to be destroyed, obliterates everything. Trungpa Rinpoche wrote, “it begins to get inspired in the wrong way, and uproots the whole tree...And that is the karmic quality of destruction gone wild, unnecessarily” (… “you are talking total rubbish!”).

Synchronicity. I was reading this when She-who-must-be-obeyed returned from a fortune teller, who told her to make sure I visit Vasudhara very soon. Not sure which of the four maras I'm susceptible to but I suspect the first. There's a Vasudhara shrine about 30 minutes away.

[humanalien]

So now Evil has been reduced down to just a word. Is that
what you are saying?

[Tony]

Posted by humanalien (here)
So now Evil has been reduced down to just a word. Is that
what you are saying?

The word simply describes a selfish activity to varying degrees, which is in all of us. If we make more out of the word, as in "there is a great EVIL out there", we will tend to think that evil has nothing to do with me!

On an Ultimate level, evil does not exist.

On a relative level, we do all sorts of things to, out do others, feed off others, separate ourselves from others for selfish gain in the name of righteousness. Maurice Strong and the other 'elitists' feel the same way.

We all have a dark side as well as a light side. When we get angry, we fall into the dark side. We may justify it, and that is the righteous anger coming out, but it is still wanting things to be different to the way things are.

MY ignorance of truth created the world I live in, and it's going to take quite a bit of work to reverse this production.

I am the 'evil'. When I can drop "I" then there is just 'being'.








Tony

[Jules]

So in essence, each of us is capable of the best AND capable of the worst. Realizing that good and evil is in our nature, and we are no better or worse than anyone we can imagine. Seeing this for what it is, and unconditionally accepting it. Therefore choosing to love others as ourselves is the closest we can come to our higher self and toward God. Why did good and evil have to exist at all? Not sure, because I'm not all knowing. Still curious...

[Tony]

Posted by Jules (here)
So in essence, each of us is capable of the best AND capable of the worst. Realizing that good and evil is in our nature, and we are no better or worse than anyone we can imagine. Seeing this for what it is, and unconditionally accepting it. Therefore choosing to love others as ourselves is the closest we can come to our higher self and toward God. Why did good and evil have to exist at all? Not sure, because I'm not all knowing. Still curious...

Hello Jules,

Yes, you are right.....what went wrong?

Logically we cannot go into the distant past, but we can observe 'now' and this may give an indication of what happened and is happening.


Personally I think you are 'all knowing'! That is your ultimate nature, that is all our ultimate nature. Our essential being is empty ( pure) but lucid. So what is happening?

Well, we just go too excited about being pure and lucid, when we identified with this pure lucidity. Instead of 'am'....just being, an I was created. This created ignorance...of our true nature....we forgot it!

We do not notice it now. We now identify with images and ideas in the mind. Then along came likes and dislikes, and a very complex world was created.


In very subtle meditation one can rest in pure lucidity, where there is no I. But one notices a slight movement of coming out of this into being aware, then I am aware.
These are very subtle states, but it reveals how we hold onto states of being.

This sort of investigation is not for normal banter, it has to be practice to see how it is, for ourselves.




Nice to chat,
Tony

[mahalall]

Meeting Evil on the Number 15 bus,

"simultaneously born demon (or evil spirit, or genius) the personification of human being's lower, or carnal, nature; popularity known in Sikkimeses as Bdud-nag-chung", 'Little black mara' (W.Y.Evans-Wentz 1960)

The Number 15 bus in London takes you from Trafalger Square to into the Inner-city to Aldwich, the financial district and the heart of the lodges £/$ world influence. As you enter this district, On a plinth, four meters high is sculpture of a black dragon/serpent (black mara) Serving an aspect of humans lower nature, "greed"

W.Y.Evans-Wentz, (1960) The Tibetan book of the Dead. Oxford University Press. London