Billy Meier - The Ultimate truth?

[mahigitam]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

I would like to present my views on the controversial part of the evidence which was discussed here like wcufo, asket/nera,..etc. If anyone is interested, please select any topic of yours and we will have a good discussion.

Yeh sure, please do. I'm still open to discussing any aspect of the Meier case to truly get to the bottom of it all...

cheers

The theory putforward by Meier case detractors on how Meier faked the Asket-Nera Photos is given as:
'Billy Meier photographed from TV, Asket & Nera from the show(which was originally telecasted ~1971, USA) that has been broadcasted/made available much later in Europe.'

That's it! They won't go further into the depth of it or the consequences of their theory which begs the explanation for - resources, oppurtunity, access, motivation which is required in any police or detective work to take into account. Since this case is not dealt by any government, judiciary or any related authority, nobody is compelled here to follow certain rules of logic & document evidence for their claims which is most usual in this field of ufology. This type of incomplete investigation can be gain for many debunkers or "skeptics" who can claim anything and refuse to look at the whole evidence. They also neglect to take into account alot of evidence for & counter-evidence that is related to this aspect of the case. I found several holes in this line of reasoning which will be explained later.

Before i go any further into discussing evidence, rebuttal and counter-evidence, first i would like to establish the motivation & possible existence of outside group(s) that woud like to interfere with Billy & his mission. Without this crucial part of the puzzle, any further discussion is incomplete.


Motivation, Existence & Interference of Outside Group(s) :
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If anyone who is aware of the Meier's contact notes & his ~40 other published books, it becomes clear that the information contained in them goes against the powers that be. He published alot of material voicing his opinions on some parts of the governments, military, politicians, intelligence organisations, secret societies & groups, conspiracies, religions, cults, individuals, alleged negative ET races, UFO groups, environmental & non-governmental organisations who in the cloak of power, money & secrecy are actually working against the true development of society & individual. Alot of what he spoke, exposes the negative side of these groups. So there is ample motivation for any of these groups to assasinate meier(and his family & friends) or his character. Those who fail to accomplish the former will go for the latter. Now with all that being said, one may ask whether there is any evidence that Meier was monitored & attacked by these individuals or groups. There is enough documented evidence.

1 - Intensive monitoring by intelligence authorities of different countries including the CIA

Billy Meier and the CIA part 1/2
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/billy-meier-and-cia
Billy Meier and the CIA part 2/2
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/bil...and-cia-part-2
Evidence for Role of CIA & Other Intelligence Agencies
http://youtu.be/S-2aFgFFkYg

2 - Assasination & Kidnapping attempts on Meier & his family

There were ~40 witnesses to the several of the attempts from 1976 to 1998 carried out by individuals & Group(s) on Meier, family & friends including the late Wendelle Stevens. All of these were carefully documented & corroborated by researchers wendelle, Lee elders, Brit Elders, Tom Welsch, Martin Dillinger, Michael Hesemann, Nippon TV, Jaime Maussan, Michael Horn & Other.

They are also available in books 'And yet they fly' & 'Zeugenbuch'.
https://figu.org/shop/product_info.p...roducts_id=163
https://figu.org/shop/product_info.p...products_id=61

Evidence of Assasination Attempts on Meier(Watch from 6:56 min)
http://youtu.be/S9EPCBF10ys

From this line of reasoning and evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that there is abundance of motivation to assasinate Meier or his character thus eventually to weaken the case. I will stop here and if anyone found any errors or want to respond to this post, please do. In my next post, i will be going into the evidence section on Asket-Nera issue & won't be discussing any matter relating to the motivation piece of the puzzle.

[marique3652]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

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I get a kick out of the fact that in the Billy picture you can even see the shoulder of the third girl in the original picture....too funny. I am sorry but things just do not add up for me, like he didn't notice until years later that the picture of those girls he had for years were NOT the aliens he alleged to see and photoed.....too funny...I find it difficult to consider him as anything other than a faker...

[Vitalux]

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

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I get a kick out of the fact that in the Billy picture you can even see the shoulder of the third girl in the original picture....too funny. I am sorry but things just do not add up for me, like he didn't notice until years later that the picture of those girls he had for years were NOT the aliens he alleged to see and photoed.....too funny...I find it difficult to consider him as anything other than a faker...

You realize by you saying that.....that you have officially become a disinformation agent by the believers.....Holy Ham hawks.....Batman!

[mahigitam]

Is no one following this thread ? If there are members that are following this thread, shall i go into the next part of Asket-Nera issue ? If you have any objections with my motivation part of the case, then please do. If no one has any objections, then it
means that you have considered the possibility that it is reasonable to think that there are people or groups that would like to kill meier or his character.

[ghostrider]

Just wanted to share what happened, I tried the peace meditation staring at a candle three feet away , focused on the edge of the candle where the flame and rim meet. When I was done the edge I was looking at had an exactly square melted carving the same size as the beam of flame that was reaching back at me like a laser. Only the side the beam was pointing at me, the rest was untouched. It is true, energy of the mind/spirit can draw energy to you. when you reach meditation a laser like beam starts to eminate from the flame and the more you focus the wider and longer the beam gets until the flame starts to have a matrix kind of look sort of glowing energy around it. try it , it is awesome.

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Posted by Star Mariner (here)

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I get a kick out of the fact that in the Billy picture you can even see the shoulder of the third girl in the original picture....too funny. I am sorry but things just do not add up for me, like he didn't notice until years later that the picture of those girls he had for years were NOT the aliens he alleged to see and photoed.....too funny...I find it difficult to consider him as anything other than a faker...

pick an event from the contact notes, then google the date and event and see if it happened as they said. A quake in Algeria in the 1980's , was my first one and they were right.

[Vitalux]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
Just wanted to share what happened, I tried the peace meditation staring at a candle three feet away , focused on the edge of the candle where the flame and rim meet. When I was done the edge I was looking at had an exactly square melted carving the same size as the beam of flame that was reaching back at me like a laser. Only the side the beam was pointing at me, the rest was untouched. It is true, energy of the mind/spirit can draw energy to you. when you reach meditation a laser like beam starts to eminate from the flame and the more you focus the wider and longer the beam gets until the flame starts to have a matrix kind of look sort of glowing energy around it. try it , it is awesome.[COLOR="red"]

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pick an event from the contact notes, then google the date and event and see if it happened as they said. A quake in Algeria in the 1980's , was my first one and they were right.

Hey bro....too bad you did not take photo of the candle. It would have been interesting to see.
Perhaps you can repeat it again and show us more what you are saying in terms of the wax forming.


In terms of Earthquakes

Consider this my friend

How many Earthquakes do you think occur on our planet in an average year?


For example, in the year 2000, the number of recorded Earthquakes around the world was 22, 256.

which is an average of about 60 a day around the planet.
It would not take too much of a stretch of the imagination to guess a location of an earthquake.

For example, I live in Canada.
Each year, more than 3500 earthquakes occur in or near Canada.....do you catch my drift there buddy?

I think if Billy lived in Northern Canada, up near the North Pole, do you think he could sell you a freezer in winter time, if you lived there too?

[Referee]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Vitalux (here)
One observation which I have noticed is that once someone believes something, they become entrenched in that belief, and not matter how much evidence ( light) one tries to present to them, they will refuse to see it.

Agreed Vitalux. One cannot allow the gaps in our knowledge to be filled wholly by personal desire. This is where wisdom falters for many.

And it is why I sit in the middle, observing and contemplating both sides of the fence. I cannot commit wholly to any one theory, or way of thinking, even if it completely resonates with my understanding, if there are quite flagrant incompatibilities therein. This is so with Meier, and is why for me the questions remain open-ended.

Posted by ghostrider (here)
I believe the Billy Meier story. detailed information for over 30 years that covers everything, including coming events. 16,000 pages, hundreds of photos, and video, and group eye witnesses, and wendell stevens investigated it, micheal horn, J Randolph Winters, metal samples, sounds of the ships, Billy told of the coming of computers, credit cards, the assasination of popes, JFK, you name it. Now science is catching up with Billys information , check out theyfly.com.

Indeed ghostrider, it is a massive and very compelling case-history. But why, if it is all real, do we still have these awkward irregularities of plainly faked materials? Who is behind them, how were they produced, and why? This is the key question in this topic.

Some of these materials could have been inserted by intelligance types hoping to later discredit him.

[DNA]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

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I get a kick out of the fact that in the Billy picture you can even see the shoulder of the third girl in the original picture....too funny. I am sorry but things just do not add up for me, like he didn't notice until years later that the picture of those girls he had for years were NOT the aliens he alleged to see and photoed.....too funny...I find it difficult to consider him as anything other than a faker...

You realize by you saying that.....that you have officially become a disinformation agent by the believers.....Holy Ham hawks.....Batman!

you're use of the word believer is not a subtle attack. It is defamation of character made popular by cia psy ops types. These same folks love to troll message boards and make not so subtle attacks.

[DNA]

Posted by mahigitam (here)
Is no one following this thread ? If there are members that are following this thread, shall i go into the next part of Asket-Nera issue ? If you have any objections with my motivation part of the case, then please do. If no one has any objections, then it
means that you have considered the possibility that it is reasonable to think that there are people or groups that would like to kill meier or his character.

Brother you are producing pure gold here. I am amazed with the information you are sharing. I would like to personally thank you and please continue. You are a excellent writer and i am in agreement with everything you have said thus far Again thank you for your time

[Vitalux]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by marique3652 (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

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I get a kick out of the fact that in the Billy picture you can even see the shoulder of the third girl in the original picture....too funny. I am sorry but things just do not add up for me, like he didn't notice until years later that the picture of those girls he had for years were NOT the aliens he alleged to see and photoed.....too funny...I find it difficult to consider him as anything other than a faker...

You realize by you saying that.....that you have officially become a disinformation agent by the believers.....Holy Ham hawks.....Batman!

you're use of the word believer is not a subtle attack. It is defamation of character made popular by cia psy ops types. These same folks love to troll message boards and make not so subtle attacks.

DNA it was not intentionally meant as an attack against anyone, it was more just a point to illustrate human behavior.

Very much to my point, you are turning it into an attack between groups rather than a think tank of research of a Meier fraud.

I think you are a really smart guy DNA and I enjoy reading your posts.

[ernesto]

Wow!
Lots of mixed missinformation!
Regarding this image

It was in fact a model. But the model was not made by Billy, it was a working model made by the extraterrestrials as part of the design process of the ship.
Billy tried to take pictures, to analize and compare with real size flying objects, in order to support his claims.

Ernesto

[heysoulsister]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
pick an event from the contact notes, then google the date and event and see if it happened as they said. A quake in Algeria in the 1980's , was my first one and they were right.

I like to remain "on the fence" in regards to Billy - simply because there is a lot of dis info surrounding his photo's and videos.
I DO find his stories and predictions fascinating. Therefor this morning while having my morning cuppa and flicking through the Avalon forum when I clicked on the other "billy" thread mentioned here and I saw the 2 videos that were digital voice readings of his "predictions of 2012" when it got to the part about Greenland and the ice melting's, well that was enough for me to quickly hop off the fence and decide to get myself the makings of a faraday cage when he covered the sun topic - solar flares, magnetic pole shift etc

Soon I will have my little kit of Sun stuff, and be happily back on the fence

[mahigitam]

Hello Ernesto, that was not a model but an alleged ET craft- Variation 5, infamously called as Wedding cake UFO because of its appearance, which resembles a wedding cake. Some model crafts were given as presents to Billy which was made from MGM studios and also a model was brought by Semjase and returned. This semjase brought model craft was photographed but those photos were never produced as an ET craft and these photos does not appear in any official FIGU album but only belongs to Billys private collection.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink
The photo in the above link appears in Guido Moosebruggers book- And Still They Fly(2004).

I will post about the Asket-Nera issue in my next post.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

So are you saying the wedding cake photo is in Billy's own words a 'model', but innocently photographed as a means to portray an actual working pleiadian ship?

Because I always thought that this image was passed off as a full-scale model hovering over his yard, which it clearly cannot be.

[mahigitam]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
So are you saying the wedding cake photo is in Billy's own words a 'model', but innocently photographed as a means to portray an actual working pleiadian ship?

Because I always thought that this image was passed off as a full-scale model hovering over his yard, which it clearly cannot be.

I am not sure whether you are referring to my post. But if it was, then i what i meant was that the WCUFO photo above, was not passed off as a model but as real Beamship-Variation 5. It could be a small telemeter disk type. It was mentioned in CRs about the 7 m, 14 m & 21 m ships. It could be possible that the above ship could be a 1.75 m or a 3.5 m ship. A model ship was once brought by semjase and which was also shown in the above link(ASTF, 2004).

[danceblackcatdance]

how did he fake the laser shot through the tree though?

[mahigitam]

Continuation from my post #21,
The theory putforward by Meier case detractors on how Meier faked the Asket-Nera Photos is given as:
'Billy Meier photographed from TV, Asket & Nera from the show(which was originally telecasted ~1971, USA) that has been broadcasted/made available much later in Europe.'

As i said there are many holes in this theory. I will briefly list these as points-wise. Points (1-5) show how the theory putforth by skeptics is weak & silly. Points (6-10) show evidence that supports Meier's claims.


1- Lack of motivation to forge ET women photos
2- No evidence of Dean Martin show being broadcasted in Europe between 1971 & 1975
3- Absence of color TV in Meier's home
4- Absence of 3-color grid of the cathode ray tube
5- Absence of dark room & equipment


6- Sudden Disappearance of photographer Schmid from Rhine Valley
7- Anamolies in the Meier Photos
8- No recording media & equipment with Meier
9- Evidence & Testimonies of Meier lifestyle
10- Direct & Indirect witnesses of alleged ET-Asket

#1- Lack of motivation to forge ET women photos

What are the reasons for someone to hoax anything ? Money, power, fame,..etc. Coming to the Meier case, usually skeptics, debunkers, experts after looking at the evidence(excluding controversial parts of it) cite these as a sign of Meier's intelligence and cunning in forgery :
- None of his slides/dia-positives/negatives were detected as being forged when tested in the state-of-the-art labs.
- Sound recordings cannot be duplicated
- Rare elements found in the metal samples
- No accomplice has ever come forward in all these more than 50 years.
- Published very rarified scientific information in his contact notes(5000+ pages, 11 volumes) & other books.
- Published spiritual information(20,000+ pages, 40+ books) that is at par with the philosophy produced by great minds known to us
- Published scientific & other information which was corroborated officially after many years & even decades.

Now they say that this grand "hoaxer" took photos of two celebrities from the TV screen and produced them as ET woman. Doesn't this raise any red flags or ring any BS bells in our minds ? Why would a one-armed grand "hoaxer" whose above listed evidence which were never revealed as fakes, would go to such lengths as to publish photos of the famous celebrities from a most famous TV show(won Emmy award & Golden Globe Award-which is the television equivalent to the Academy Awards for film) which was watched(1965-74) by millions of viewers in America as an evidence to support his claims. what added benefit or agenda was there to publishing Asket & Nera Pics; to me, there is none! If Meier wanted to show pictures of ETs(Asket & Nera), he very well could have produced drawings of them like he did with other ETs - Ptaah , Quetzal, Sfath, Semjase,..etc. He doesn't necessarily have to take a photo which would later be clearly found as a clear case of forgery. Why would he want to jeopardize his whole "PLAN" for just a photo when there were more than 1200+ photos of clear day-time color photographs of upto 4 beamships in one frame, 8 8mm films,...etc. This point #1 in the context of motivation discussed in my previous post is enough to come to a reasonable conclusion that some third party or parties were involved to make it look like Meier did it on purpose of faking. Not even a half-wit or a dumb person would think of such form of low level forgery. But the skeptics, debunkers wanted you to believe this and its sad that there are millions who swallow anything when a person with tags - expert, skeptic, debunker, scientist,.. - say or write on any topic or case. This same phenomenon is also noticeable with religions, cults & their hierarchies.


#2- No evidence of Dean Martin show being broadcasted in Europe between 1971 & 1975

Color TVs entered Switzerland in 1968 & the Color transmission had been available from France and Germany since 1967. And from 1967, movies became available to consumers(rich) to watch in their own homes. This tells us that the show must have been aired in switzerland anywhere between 1971 & 1975 during which Meier or his accomplices photographed from TV.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...n_in_countries

No evidence was ever presented by skeptics, debunkers since 1998- that is almost 15 years(since the Asket-Nera issue broke out) - of ever a Dean Martin show being broadcasted in Europe(Switzerland) between 1971 & 1975. Infact the evidence suggests that the show was apparently only broadcasted worldwide between 1979 & 1981(Meier published photos in 1975).

"After all, whole episodes of The Dean Martin Show (with only a few minutes per hour cut to make room for more commercials) DID air in syndication not only in the U.S., but around the world, for two years between 1979 and 1981."
http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/to-lee-hale/

"By contrast, the original run of The Dean Martin Show ended a year before the first consumer VCR was introduced, and even the package of episodes that later aired in syndication ran from 1979 to 1981 — when blank videocassettes still cost close to $20 apiece, and very few had the foresight or were inclined to spend the money to preserve programs that, in retrospect, we now wish we had."
http://thegolddiggers.wordpress.com/...-is-it-anyway/

"Also named as one of the defendants in the lawsuit was longtime Dean Martin Show producer Greg Garrison, who, NBC claims, had rights to use only excerpts from selected episodes of The Dean Martin Show for the DVDs—episodes which, according to NBC, Garrison purchased years earlier from the network for a syndicated run of The Dean Martin Show that aired worldwide from 1979 to 1981. Garrison died in 2005, before the lawsuit was brought forward."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dea...in_Show#Awards

If the above statements are true, then how could Meier photographed women from the TV show which was not broadcasted anywhere in the world ? This should be answered by all those who favour the hoax theory. For the unscientific, biased people, such questions doesn't matter. Even the lead investigator of IIG-West, Mr. Dereck Barthlomaus & others seems to be knowing of this what seems to be a BIG HOLE in their theories on Asket-Nera issue. This could be the reason why no skeptic or debunker ever based their case on the elements(which seems to violate their theories) present in the case except the similarity of women in the photos.

#3- Absence of color TV in Meier's home

Let us suppose that our best available knowledge about the shows being broadcasted worldwide(between 1979-1981) was false and that indeed the shows were broadcasted between 1971 & 1975. Also for some crazy reason, Meier wanted to take pictures from TV of these women and wanted to declare to the world that they were ETs he was in contact with & photographed. Now, not until July 1976, did Billy purchase his first color TV unit (brand SABA) from Mr. Bär's Bauma store, whereas the photos of Asket and Nera were taken a year earlier, on June 26, 1975. He may have taken the picture from his friend's or relatives house, right ? Second, his friends or relatives must have known about Meier taking photographs from TV or either they must also be a part of this grand hoax. Till to this date, after more than 50 years, no one ever has come forward to reveal how Meier photographed from TV, location & dark room equipment needed to produced or manipulate photos. Was there any monetary benefit for being silent about Meier's fakery ? I found no evidence that is reasonable enough to get to that conclusion at all. We can talk about this scenario later, if wanted.

#4- Absence of 3-color grid of the cathode ray tube

It was said that the 3-color grid(red, blue and green) of the cathode ray tude would show up when trying to photograph the TV screen. But in the 3 photos Meier published, no dots were observed. So some claim that he must not have taken it from TV. But others claim that he must have taken photo of a 'photo from TV' & repeated the procedure until the the color dots disappeared. Since i am not a photo expert, I do not know if this works or not. But i am speculating that if meier has taken 'photo of a photo'(1 or many times), then there must be other differences(loss of contrast, details, color intensity, blurring, loss of focus,...) that would also show up on the image which would be detected. I would prefer to leave this with the photo experts.


#5- Absence of dark room & equipment

If Meier have taken photos from a TV, he sure should have taken many photos than just the 3 with numbers(given by FIGU) 109, 110 & 111 because he do not know which photos would come good and which photos did not. His camera at that time was Olympus 35 ECR camera with a focal range of 1:2.8-f 42mm and an exposure time constant of 1/100 seconds, aperture ring was stuck in one position(Focus adjustment was jammed at 2 small marks under infinity) & Beside-the-lens viewing window had the mirror broken loose and laying down inside so that the viewfinder could not be seen through. He bought this broken-but-working camera from his brother, Gottlieb Meier, in January 1975 for CHF 50. So he must have taken several pictures with his camera and should have selected photos only after the photos came out from the developing process. In such a process, meier would have made it sure that nothing strange or any anamolies ever to appear in the selected photos that would igive any indications of hoax or forgery. But when one observes the 3 photos of meier several anamolies crept out which should have been checked by Meier by for some reason chose not to. Was this Meier's doing or a sign of third party interference ? We will discuss about this anamolies in my next post. Now, there was no evidence that Meier had any dark room equipment to experiment with. The dark room equipment costs several thousands of dollars in those days. Can Meier afford that much money back then in early 1970's ? I will show you that this may not be the case & we will talk about this in my next post under #8- Evidence & Testimonies of Meier lifestyle.

[DNA]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Much of his 'spiritual' information (perhaps researched from elsewhere - or 'inserted' by government manipulators) is quite poor, even primitive by our own limited human understanding (in reference to New Age spiritual philosophy). For example, Meier's Pleiadians claim that Mediumship is a false art, that the after-life is less a glorious, heavenly realm of spirits and more an inert plane of confused disembodied souls, and there was no real purpose in even attempting to communicate with them... (for me personally I hear an alarm right there).

You make quite a few decent points Mariner. Believe me, I was on the fence for years grappling with the inconsistencies you mention in your first post. I quoted this little segment though, because it is one area I had absolutely no problem with, and I was actually amazed at how much I agreed with it.

I feel this area was glossed over by Meier, but, what he actually means is that the astral plane, which is inhabited by folks who chose not to pass over are in fact confused and not benificial to converse with. And though it may seem odd, folks who do pass over do not for the most part ingage with humanity. I personally find this to be very true.
After all, the earth and all physical reality would lose the allure of being the school it is, if anytime we wanted to we could dial up the other side and ascertain the meaning of life.

Though it's not overly related to this material, I have a thread where myself and others discuss this, situation in some depth. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings

[DNA]

I like to use this statement given to Wendelle Stevens and published in his first book on Billy Meier. I think it helps articulate the reality of meddeling intelligence agencies that are very much involved in Billy's affairs.
I'm often truly in awe when folks on one hand act as if the government would never plant false information in the hopes of debunking a contactee, but in the same conversation can talk about 911 being a false flag operation, the CIA being in the drug trafficking business and immunizations being used to spreak a global pandemic.

So where exactly did they draw the line in concerns with deciding not to plant false information in hopes of descrediting the chosen spokes person for the space hippies?

taken from-

Contact from the Pleiades



**********

LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting. The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy´s case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity (forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any break-ins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up-graded his record keeping since the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy´s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy´s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO´s, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government´s approach to UFO´s. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO´s were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO´s, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans´ balls. The public´s response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shoot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO´S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public´s response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO´s. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO´s wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so. Hence, the military concluded UFO´s were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected, based on previous contact records, however skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response by controlling the public´s response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO´s. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible´s advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who´s response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO´s.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO´s? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school, got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher: A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe. When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as there very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe. The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community´s response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was somewhat worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe, willingly. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea, man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist. And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about someone like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy´s place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty, and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it somewhat different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than anyone else. His case has some screwball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts whenever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Billy´s female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one-to-one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling onto Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who´s action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and give direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our devices. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy´s area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of the small ball-shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But, like all such contacts, the restriction on who knows about it comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But, that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments, there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up, and trade some types of information some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding too much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hell´s Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi-hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an hour. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane, and jump him out over the crash site with a stencil and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)

[mahigitam]

These points (6-10) tend to support Meier's claims on the Asket-Nera issue.

#6- Sudden Disappearance of photographer Schmid from Rhine Valley

Meier's pictures were processed by several persons or labs since his first photo session of beamships in January 28, 1975. His first photos were developed by photographer Walder in Hinwil. Next was Schmid from Rhine Valley & the next was Mr. Bär, a photographer and TV merchant in Wetzikon and Bauma, Switzerland. The Asket-nera photos were taken in June, 1975 during billy's space trip that lasted 5 days & took some 1500+ photos. Since the development of slides/negatives were expensive at that time, let alone the development of 1500+ photos. Meier was attracted to the offer made by photographer Schmid who claimed that he was from lower Rhine Valley and that he would develop the photos for a lower cost. Being a poor man, meier accepted the offer and gave all his negatives/slides to this person Schmid. Strangely Meier recieved these space pictures very late in that year. It was speculated that during this time, Schmid was forced by the third party to manipulate the pictures or insert fake pictures into the sets of pictures so as to discredit Meier later, when these were found out. After sometime, it was told that the photographer Schmid suddenely disappeared from the scene. No one including Billy also knows more about this person Schmid who was a photographer because he covered his tracks by saying that if he were to tell his address or any details to Billy or anyone, soon his wife would found out that he was dealing with ufos, aliens and that would make his life miserable. All these raises several questions and fits into the theory that Schmid with the pressure from the third party manipulated or inserted fake pictures into Meier's collection.

#7- Anamolies in the Meier Photos

This will take alot of space and i will talk about this in my next post exclusively. By the way, how does one able to post pictures on the forum without posting links ? I guess for newbies, it will need a minimum number of posts to be eligible to post pictures on the forum. This anamolies section would be interesting if the photos are visible on the forum instead of links.


#8 No recording media & equipment with Meier

For the skeptics theories to work, Meier have to photograph the women from TV in 1971 or later when the show was broadcasted. We have seen that the show was apparently broadcasted only between 1979-1981. In that case, some skeptics may say that Meier may have recorded the show on some medium(ex: VHS, betamax,..) and played it back on color TV and then photographed the show. Even this scenario is pretty weak. Here i am reproducing the some part of the information which i have posted on FIGU forum.

"For "skeptics" theory on Asket-Nera issue to work out, either

a) Meier or his accomplices must have used camera to photograph from TV, the Dean Martin show(Feb 25, 1971) when it was re-broadcasted across Europe(after the original broadcast in US in 1971) or

2) Meier or his accomplices must have access to the Dean Martin show which was stored on a medium(Ex:VHS, Laserdisc, DVD,..)using a Video Recorder that stores Color data for a later playback and photographing the desired frames.


* We already have discussed the case #a in 'No evidence of Dean Martin show being broadcasted in Europe between 1971 & 1975' *
( so i am going to case #b)


Case #b:
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'Meier or his accomplices must have access to the Dean Martin show which was stored on a medium(Ex:VHS, Laserdisc, DVD,..)using a Video Recorder that stores Color data for a later playback and photographing the desired frames.'

Suppose let us assume that the show was aired at the same time In Europe as in USA. There were no Video Casette Recording(VCR) formats(ex: Umatic, Betamax or VHS) to record a TV show that aired on February 25, 1971. The first VCR format was Sony Umatic, then Philips N1500 or "VCR", then Betamax & then VHS. The timeline is given below.

Sony U-matic - September 1971**[First VCR, US $1,395 for a combination TV/VCR($7,069 in 2007)]
Philips N1500 - 1972 [UK £600 ($2087)]
Betamax - 1975 (US $9,773 in 2012 )
VHS - 1976
Laserdisc - 1978

** - that specific Dean Martin Show episode which skeptics suggest from which meier would have taken the photographs from TV screen was aired on Feb 25, 1971, 7 months before the first VCR came into market.

The only widely used media that existed before Sony' Umatic format were individual tape reels & the system to record video was called as Video Tape Recorders(VTR).

Generally, VTR(Video Tape Recorders) cost thousands of dollars, weighs several pounds & are mainly used at industries, airlines, television stations & networks, educational applications..etc. Most of them are black/white & the few color units produced were very very expensive.

The first VTR system for domestic use was Sony CV-2000(1964, $695) & the color VTR system intended for domestic use was Sony CV-5100(1967, US $1,500) but it never went into production.(CV-consumer video)
Source: http://www.labguysworld.com/Sony_CV-2000D.htm

The subsequent domestic use color VTRs remained expensive anywhere between under $1000-$10,000. Only the rich could afford a color VTR systems. Only when Betamax & VHS came into the market did the majority of people own a VCR.

For this case to work, there needed to be a richy rich fellow in USA who is crazy about Dean Martin show & decided to record that show on an expensive color VTR system. And somehow deliberately or not, Billy or his accomplices photographed the show from this guy's TV screen or got hold of his recording which then played back on Meier's or his accomplices Video player(which were also expensive) & then photographed from TV. This is such a nonsense that i felt irritated while typing it.

I find no reason for Billy or his accomplices to go to these lengths inorder to provide an ET picture by photographing from TV. This theory has so many holes/flaws in it that only a crazy person would believe it. I will let you guys know more about the issue, as soon as i get the DVDs."



#9- Evidence & Testimonies of Meier lifestyle

For all the skeptics theories to work out, Meier need to be rich - owning a color VTR system or color TV or dark room equipment, camera,..etc. But from the documented evidence gathered by author/advocate Gary Kinders which he published in his book 'Light Years'(1987), explored the daily living of Meier. He interviewed meier's neighbours, villagers, town officials, owners who gave meier jobs,..etc, looked at the town registrars which documents the professions of individuals. Kinders looked at all this evidence and concluded that Meier was just a poor guy raising 3 kids with a wife by doing various jobs, one of which was as a security guard. His wife Popi or Kalliope Meier used to sell eggs for money. Later after official contacts began in 1975, meier could not work and has to live off with the money the swiss government gives for a handicapped person. Skeptics doesn't talk about this nor do they want to.



#10- Direct & Indirect witnesses of alleged ET-Asket

Phobal Chang the Ex-UN diplomat from Cambodia was a direct witness of ET woman Asket. During 1964, when Meier was in Asoka Ashram, New Delhi, India learning Buddhism, Meier became friends with Phobal Chang and her brother. According to Phobal's testimony, this ET woman used to come down and talk & walk with Meier in the ashram and also that Asket would make Phobal sleep by touching her hair and all.

Phobals introduction of herself & Asket
http://youtu.be/cOaiYwn2W88
http://www.tjresearch.info/witness.htm#pc
http://www.tjresearch.info/Phobal_plain_text.htm

Phobal Chang & Shashi
http://youtu.be/pf8LaD3pFHg

The indirect witnesses are Phobal Chang's hindi Tutor, who witnessed the beamships along with the villagers surrounding the ashram several times. All the interviews with villagers was video documented by phobal chang and said to be with FIGU.

Meier in India(1964)
http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html

With so much evidence that supports Meier's claims and the presence of ridiculous, silly & half-baked claims on the other side lends credence to Meier's version of events.