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    Quote Posted by Chris82 (here)
    Tony,

    I recently read on this forum (dont remeber the thread ) something that felt very true to me.

    Like focusing your mind on something like one does repeating a mantra ; is just a subtle ego game, a game that can reward you with incredible results, you can even perform miracles...but it's still ego based.

    It was explained in that thread that one has to focus, or unfocus his mind on everything. Dont turn your mind in a lense for your thoughts...

    Some students said ..."my master can do this" or "my master can do that" and the true master said I eat when I'm hungry and I sleep when I feel tired. Those were his "miracles" .

    Am I on to something here, or am I completely missing the point?
    No you are heading in the right direction Chris
    To begin with aids to lessen the hold the egoic mind has on you are perhaps needed.
    Ramana said "Use the thorn to remove the thorn then throw both away"
    So the mind (intillect) is used to remove the egoic mind-- then both are discarded. (Higher mind operates)

    When you can walk on water take the boat.
    That comes from a story of a student out to impress a master.
    It took him twenty years to learn to walk on water. The master said you wasted twenty years of your life-- why did you not just take the boat?
    Yogic powers feed the ego and are an obstacle to enlightenment.
    So looking for power through spiritual practise is Self deafeating

    Mantra-- that which protects-- has its uses but eventually that goes too.
    There seems to be a process to enlightenment yet the paradox is that when it happens its by the grace of God.
    The mantra helps to still the mind and that is good.
    Also when you say an ancient mantra you are connecting with the high spiritual energy which has been contributed to by millions who have repeated it with devotion over countless years.

    Everything in balance.

    Regards Chris
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    Quote Posted by Arrowwind (here)
    A standard Transcendental Meditation mantra is "I AM"
    Well, not everyone can get it right!

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    Years ago, I came up with my own mantra during a meditation. I still use it on a rare occasion. It's quite haunting in nature, and ever so slowly gains in intensity throughout each long repetition. Funny, it's rumbling through my head now just writing about it. (LOL)

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    Many personal benefits and insights gained from mantra,

    i) uplifting energy and stabilising emotions,
    ii) vibrational shielding helping to deflect harsh arrows,
    iii) expanding out to change environmental currents,
    iv) applied with Bhanda (1) to consciously walk in higher dimensions,
    v) holding the presence of death to request a persons harmonous passing,

    Historical accounts note how Brahmin's added mantra into the Mahabharata, Mantra as a method of banishing the dark serpents-
    When this sacrifice is conducted, the snakes that are named by the Mantras (incantations) will be rendered powerless and be impelled to fall into the sacrificial fire (2,3)

    I'm not sure i'd have such faith, but experience notes that when faced with darkness mantra gives one a tickle to smile and to be smiled at.

    1) http://www.thesecretsofyoga.com/bhan...s-bandhas.html
    2) http://www.mahabharataonline.com/sto...tory.php?id=28
    3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puranas

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    (My second post to Avalon group). I like your standard Om Namah Shivaya, like this one (from the CD set by Russill Paul, "The Yoga of Sound":


    I also like listening to Krishna Das kirtans - you really get swept up. Also like the cd of Bhagavan Das that Mike D of the Beastie Boys put together called "Now". Particularly the Ganesha one. Helped to ingrain the mantras in my brain anyway.

    I did the TM course in college and they gave me my own mantra (Shhhh, it's a "secret") that they told me was supposed to be based on my gender/age/personality or something. Does anyone know more about which mantras they select for a person?

    Thanks for this thread and the vids. Happy to be here with you all.

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    I have found it!
    Google is a wonderful tool.
    While living in Berlin in the begining of the 90s I was introduced to some music stuff done by the famous Vince Clarke with the West India company.
    I was surprised to find it on Youtube. That's 1984:



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    One of my favorites,
    "Arut Perum Jyoti" I rather like the sound of it.
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    Why not now?

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    The mantra OM MANI PEME HUM is a supplication to the Lord of Compassion.
    Now that Lord can be any image we wish, it's still Compassion!

    Om mani peme hum is actually the mantra of Chenrezi(g). The reason I mention this is that at death, and during the after death process, and just before taking a new incarnation, if one does not have a specific practice of any method, one can call on the 'Lord of Compassion'.

    The point is, as we are driven by our karma we will not be sure of our next incarnation, unless we recognise all the stages of what is called the gaps between death and birth (Bardo). So, calling on the Lord of Compassion and seeing everything as 'Unconditional Love' and all potential couples in union as deities, then this pure intention will help for a positive incarnation.



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    Quote Posted by Chris82 (here)
    Tony,

    I recently read on this forum (dont remeber the thread ) something that felt very true to me.

    Like focusing your mind on something like one does repeating a mantra ; is just a subtle ego game, a game that can reward you with incredible results, you can even perform miracles...but it's still ego based.

    It was explained in that thread that one has to focus, or unfocus his mind on everything. Dont turn your mind in a lense for your thoughts...

    Some students said ..."my master can do this" or "my master can do that" and the true master said I eat when I'm hungry and I sleep when I feel tired. Those were his "miracles" .

    Am I on to something here, or am I completely missing the point?
    No you are heading in the right direction Chris
    To begin with aids to lessen the hold the egoic mind has on you are perhaps needed.
    Ramana said "Use the thorn to remove the thorn then throw both away"
    So the mind (intillect) is used to remove the egoic mind-- then both are discarded. (Higher mind operates)

    When you can walk on water take the boat.
    That comes from a story of a student out to impress a master.
    It took him twenty years to learn to walk on water. The master said you wasted twenty years of your life-- why did you not just take the boat?
    Yogic powers feed the ego and are an obstacle to enlightenment.
    So looking for power through spiritual practise is Self deafeating

    Mantra-- that which protects-- has its uses but eventually that goes too.
    There seems to be a process to enlightenment yet the paradox is that when it happens its by the grace of God.
    The mantra helps to still the mind and that is good.
    Also when you say an ancient mantra you are connecting with the high spiritual energy which has been contributed to by millions who have repeated it with devotion over countless years.

    Everything in balance.

    Regards Chris

    Very nicely said Chris, Thank you.

    IMO anything that comes from the heart (and I mean truly heartfelt - without judgment) leads to enlightenment. Activating the heart (or some may say heart chakra) comes in different ways for all of us. One way that always works for me, is singing, totally connecting to the notes, words, melody, almost becoming the music if that makes sense. But, I believe one must be doing it for the joy of doing it, not because one is trying to become enlightened.

    Fred, I love that you created a mantra that means something to you. I believe that's why it's become powerful for you - you connect to it at a heart level.

    Repeating mantras that have no meaning to you individually are definitely helpful in keeping the ego mind quiet and taking one out of self - and this is always a good thing. also one's Belief System always plays an important role in our lives, which includes how we evolve.

    And, of course, it is wise to honor others belief systems and not try to inject yours on them. In my world there is a difference between sharing and imposing. I hope you all see this as sharing.
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    The point is, as we are driven by our karma we will not be sure of our next incarnation, unless we recognise all the stages of what is called the gaps between death and birth (Bardo).
    Hi Tony, I thought all the stages of what is called the gaps between birth and death, were also considered a Bardo. If not officially, it is for me anyway. If our true nature is as One, then why are we separating the experiences of "life" and "death"?


    Ba-ba-ra, we have much in common with music and singing. Hitting the right note is truly a simple pleasure in life, and I'm not often without humming something or the other while going about mundane daily activities. Start cranking out some favorite tunes on you tube? Then forget about it, it's karaoke central around here. (LOL)

    Cheers,
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

    If our true nature is as One, then why are we separating the experiences of "life" and "death"?
    Fred, there is no birth and death, but there is also no end to birth and death.


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    Hi Ba-ba-Ra
    I sing and play bass and relate to what you say--- there were times when I was playing semi pro that I got highs playing and wondered if I was playing the bass or it was playing me-- three was no difference between me and the playing.
    Om nama shivia can have the same effect also the Gayatri Mantra.

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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    The point is, as we are driven by our karma we will not be sure of our next incarnation, unless we recognise all the stages of what is called the gaps between death and birth (Bardo).
    Hi Tony, I thought all the stages of what is called the gaps between birth and death, were also considered a Bardo. If not officially, it is for me anyway. If our true nature is as One, then why are we separating the experiences of "life" and "death"?





    Ba-ba-ra, we have much in common with music and singing. Hitting the right note is truly a simple pleasure in life, and I'm not often without humming something or the other while going about mundane daily activities. Start cranking out some favorite tunes on you tube? Then forget about it, it's karaoke central around here. (LOL)

    Cheers,
    Fred

    Hello Fred,

    For us relative creatures, we are not as One. We still live in a relative existence, we still in birth death extistences.
    It's only on forums like this that people believe they are already enlightened.

    There are Bardos in life and in death.

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    Oh jeez, now this thread has gone and made me dredge up my earlieast introduction to Buddhism, and thus the mantra. 1999 or 2000 I think it was, and someone on the jobsite kept going on and on about this guy named Alan Watts, Zen Buddhism, and this really cool video he had about meditation. So finally one day I got him to loan me the rented vcr tape(remember those?) he had checked out from the library, and I anxiously took it home to dive into.

    Boy was that a memorable period of life, the beginning of discovering whole new and previously unimagined worlds. Kind of like the first time you stay up momentarily on a 2 wheel bike as a little kid, but having not a clue how far you have to go to start driving a car.(LOL) Anyway, there were two main parts that struck me then. One was the introduction of the Mantra Aum as a meditation tool. The other, Alan calmly announcing: "The past is a memory, the future an expectation. Neither past nor future actually exists, there is simply eternal now."

    All I could think was "wow, is this some cool s**t or what?" (LOL) So I rushed home from work every day for a week to pop the video in again, and practice what Alan was talking about. It looks kind of silly and ragged now watching it again for the first time in 12-13 years, especially with all that's happened since then, but at that time, it was beginning to shatter my closed and fragile eggshell mind. I'll never forget the early days of meditation, ringing out the Mantra Aum just like he shows in the video. Over and over, and over, and over, and... And it worked!!!



    By the way, I still love the sound of a gong.

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    Mantras are like a supplication......ultimately to oneself!



    Ultimate supplication.

    The Guru is the dharmakaya, completely within mu own mind.
    To recognise my nature is the supreme, essential supplication.
    All phenomena and existence are displays of the Guru.
    May I realise the ultimate Trikaya Guru.




    NB, The word dharmakaya is a sanskrit word for complete emptiness. Sambhogakaya is complete knowing. Nirmanakaya is unconfined compassion...=Trikaya.

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    (hello everyone, how have you all been doing? )

    Mantras... I 'see' them as consciously focusing energy to 'form/un-form' energy; molding formlessness into form and vice versa. It's extremely important to be aware of the meanings of the (sound) vibrations we emit/create/absorb -including the subtlest as thoughts and emotions-, they are powerful tools after all. These are the few on my list:

    Om http://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/AUM_OM.htm

    Hamsa
    Quote "Mantras are solar (Saura) and masculine, lunar (Vidya, Saumya) and feminine, and neuter. Neuter and masculine Mantras terminate in Namah, Hum, Phat; feminine in Tham or Svāhā . Ajapa (A + Japa = No + Chant) is the primal Mantra. This chantless Mantra pervades the breath going in and out, the subtle sound ‘sah’ going in and the subtle sound ‘ham’ going out. (Sa = Siva, Vishnu, Lakshmi, or Gauri [Parvati or Sakti]; Ham = I am; so = Parvati. As one chants this subtle-sound Mantra ‘soham’, a derivative of ‘sah-ham,’ ‘Hamsa’ comes into being by inversion and is the personification of Vital Air or life-breath. Sa (Sah) is Sakti and Ha is Siva. Soham, Hamsa and AUM (Pranava) are equipotent. Hamsah the inverted Sah-ham is the union of male and female. The universe is Hamsah, according to Woodroffe. This is the bird Hamsah which disports in the Lake of Ignorance. Here ignorance indicates spiritual ignorance. (...) Tirumular says that AUM, though a three-letter word, is a one-letter Mantra. Soham is the unintonated sound of normal breathing, meaning ‘I am He.’ " http://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/MANTRA.htm
    Om mani padme hung

    Vajra Guru Mantra http://www.rinpoche.com/gurumantra.html

    Green Tara




    Ganesh

    Gayatri


    Si va ya na ma (starting in that order)
    ya na va si ma,
    ma va ya na si,
    si ya na ma va,
    va si ma ya na

    and/or

    Sivaya Nama Om Sivaya Nama Om
    Sivaya Nama Om Nama Sivaya

    Quote "Siva`ya Nama O`m …" leads one's consciousness upwards, "Sivaya Nama O`m …" and "Nama Siva`ya" downwards. The chant of the Siva mantra as a whole acts to integrate the three bodies with a powerful concentration at a particular center like the heart or the mid forehead. Similarly the chant of the three lines of the powerful vowels (Bija mantras) brginning with "Kooththe`" as in TM (Thirumandiran by Thirumoolar) 912 integrates the whole adhara (psycho-physical system) with all its main centers (chakras) as wells as the three bodies. The chant of the said Bija mantras i.e., the five vowels, I` - U` - A` - E` - O`m at first evoke and open the five main centers. Thus, a slow and repeated chant (say 20-30 times or more) of I` activates and opens the navel center (Nabhi); U` the heart center (Anahata); A` the spinal base or sex center (Mooladhara); E` the throat center ( Visuddhi); O `the mid for-head center (Ajna), and when O` is chanted with m i.e., as O`m or rather O` … m … it reaches and strikes at the top of the head (Sahasrara), and then reverberates reaching down finally the Mooladhara. (It is seen that the corresponding short vowels I - U - A - E - O touch the same centers but into their inner depth). http://www.auro-ma-ramalingam.org/th...lar_mantra.php
    Quote "The Panchakshara Mantra (5-letter mantra) has two aspects: Subtle and Manifest (Suksma and Sthula). Suksma Mantra is Sivayanama. The manifest Mantra is NaMaSivaYa. As you may notice the head of the Subtle Mantra is Siva and the tail is Nama. In the Sthula Mantra the head and the tail are inverted or transposed. Significance: Manifest man--embodied soul (Ya) has the head in Nama meaning he suffers from Na (obscuration of spiritual knowledge) and Ma (a load of Mummalams-மும்மலம்- Anava, Kanma and Maya Malas). The liberated man Ya (Jivan Mukta) enjoys Si and Va (Siva and Grace; his NaMa left him." http://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/Om_Namasivaya.htm
    Arut Perum Jyothi
    Thanip Perum Karunai
    Arut Perun Jyothi
    'Vast Grace Light and Supreme Compassion'
    mantra in Tamil language http://www.auro-ma-ramalingam.org/ramalingam_mantra.php



    Bhaisajyaguru mantra (Medicine Buddha)


    Mahamrityunjaya Mantra
    (also called Mahamoksha Mantra, Great Enlightenment)
    Quote The Bija mantra is given by Kahola Rishi; The mantra is in Gayatri channdah; The mantra devata (deity) is Sri Mrityunjaya (form of Shiva). This mantra is to be used for meditation and at all times for protection from all evils. http://www.nandhi.com/mrityunjaya.htm


    A bit on Sound
    Quote "Sabda is sound, which is more ancient than gods and men, precedes creation, and is eternal, indivisible, creative, and imperceptible in its subtle form. Sound is not just what you hear with your ear. Wherever there is motion and vibration of any kind that is sound, according to Tantra as said by Woodroffe. Movement causes sound; we do not have instruments to pick up the sound of the movement of subatomic particles.
    Sound is classified as follows: Sphota, Nada, Anahata, and Ahata.
    Vak (Vaak) means word, sound or sabda; the Latin Vox comes from Sanskrit Vaak.

    Sphota (स्फोट) literally means bursting and is eternal, indivisible, creative, and imperceptible.
    Tantra literature goes further in elaborating Sphota.
    Sphota is derived from the world Sphut (स्फुट्) meaning to burst or to open like a bud. The implication is (as the bud opens) as the word is sounded or articulated, the meaning of the word is revealed. The letter or letters by themselves carry no meaning until we connect them with an object or idea. When that object or idea is cognized, Sphota takes place. Sphota, before it opens, is in an undifferentiated partless state. It resides in Sabda Brahman, the Brahman of Sounds. When it differentiates, it falls into two parts: Sabda and Artha, Sound and Meaning. Sound exists as Nada (नाद) in Sabda Brahman and the force that makes it blossom is Bindu (बिन्दु), which is also resident in Sabda Brahman. Unmanifested Sound = Avyakta Sabda; Manifested Sound = Vyakta Sabda. Bindu is enzymatic and has the same function as the Maya of Brahman of Upanishads. Brahman transforms into Isvara with Maya as an instrument or enzyme that makes the world visible to the senses. Maya of Suddha Saivism does not have the same meaning found in Upanishads. In the former, it means the building blocks of the universe--Tattvas or Saktis. But Maya (illusion) of Isvara, the clinical Brahman of both Siva and Vishnu, have the same functionality.

    Nada नाद This sound is perceptible only to a Rishi. Nad is flow; Nada is sound.

    Anahata अनाहत means unbeaten, unstruck, unwound, intact; new and unbleached; a sound that is produced by means other than by beating or of two objects striking each other. It generally means ‘OM.’ In this context it means that the sound is potentially existent, as in thought, preverbal in its evolution and expression. It is latent sound, ready to unwind from the mind and find expression. Analogy used to hear the unstruck sound is to occlude or cover both your ears with the cupped palms and hear the buzz. Here it is not really an unstruck sound, because the blood flow in the capillaries and other blood vessels striking the vessel walls create that sound which is perceived by the auditory apparatus and interpreted as buzz by the hearing area of the brain. Anyhow that conveys the idea what an unstruck sound is.

    Ahata means struck, or beaten as a drum. It is a struck sound; it has a known origin. It encompasses all sounds heard and unheard by humans within the decibel and frequency range of animals and humans. It is unlike Nāda which is heard only by Rishis or Seers.
    Sound is of divine origin. In combination with Bindu (Light, Point), Nāda/Nada is the incorporeal cause of (this material world, including) personal god Siva (as Consciousness) and Sakti (as energy/quality-manifestations of Consciousness), from whom all tattvas and universe originated.

    http://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/SOUND.htm
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    Default Re: Mantras.

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    Hello Fred,

    For us relative creatures, we are not as One. We still live in a relative existence, we still in birth death extistences.
    It's only on forums like this that people believe they are already enlightened.

    There are Bardos in life and in death.

    Tony
    Hi Tony,

    Discrimination between the transient forms, including all thoughts, and the eternal awareness in which they appear, is the key to discovering whether you are really in birth death existence.

    The relative illusion of separate forms appears in the mind’s eye (I), the ego, the transient subjective self.

    It is just an expression, a thought, of this transient I, this ego, to say "we are not as One". Or that "we still live in a relative existence '. It is the ego that lives in relative existence, not your true Self, not the Tathagata. The eternal Self, by whatever label you wish to use, never became separated, never became imperfect, never fell into relative existence.

    The illusion of separation happens only in the mind, as a result of the illusory “I”, the ego, the temporal subject, identified with mind/body. As long as there is a separate relative subject, there is a separate objective relative world that goes along with it. It is like when you have a nightmare. The suffering seems real to the dream character while dreaming, but once you awaken, neither the dream character nor the suffering were real.

    Enlightenment therefore, is a paradox. You cannot go “home” if you already are home. In relative terms though, enlightenment happens to the projected or, if you prefer, the reflected self in the mind. Without thought, this transient entity dissolves, and the objective separate world that it was witness to, dissolves along with it. What remains is that which was obscured, but was always there. Eternal, whole, blissful, conceptually beyond any description which does it justice.

    Certainly there are some ego’s who be lie ve they are enlightened. But belief’s are of the ego, the mind. As long as you be lie ve, or identify, with an apparently separate body/mind, it will be difficult to recognise one who has transcended the illusion of duality, who is altogether beyond mind, yet may use it to communicate to "sleeping Buddha's".

    Some have said an enlightened being does not proclaim their attainment, this is not so. But if they do so, it is out of compassion, to assist others to awaken. How you interpret an awakened one’s words and silence will depend on your own understanding...at least until your own awakening...

    Then, praising Bodhisattva Kasyapa, the Buddha said: "Well said, well said, O good man! You have not yet arrived at All-Knowledge, but I am he who has attained it. You now ask about the deepest depths of the undisclosed doctrine. Now, O good man! I, sitting under the Bodhi Tree, first attained right Enlightenment.

    Ch 4 Mahaparinirvana Sutra


    So, in absolute terms, in reality, you are already “that”. In relative terms the only difference between you and Buddha is identification. Buddha identifies (existentially) with what is eternal and real, while the ego identifies (conceptually) with what is transient and unreal...and the really great news is that all awaken to this truth, this bliss, this eternity, eventually.

    Then the Buddha said to all the bhiksus: "Hear me well, hear me well! Now, you mention the case of an intoxicated person. This refers to knowledge, but not the signification. What do I mean by signification? The intoxicated person sees the sun and moon, which do not move, but he thinks they do. The same is the case with beings. As all illusion and ignorance overhang [the mind], the mind turns upside down and takes Self for non-Self, Eternal for non-Eternal, Purity as non-Pure, and Bliss as sorrow. Overhung by illusion, this thought arises. Though this thought arises, the meaning is not gained [realised]. This is as in the case of the intoxicated person who takes what does not move as moving. The Self’ signifies the Buddha; ’the Eternal’ signifies the Dharmakaya; ’Bliss’ signifies Nirvana, and ’the Pure’ signifies Dharma.

    Ch 3 Mahaparinirvana Sutra


    For those so inclined, a close reading of Chapter 12 of the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, On the Nature of the Tathagata, is recommended.

    With Love,
    tim
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    Default Re: Mantras.

    Sentient beings live in a confused deluded relative mental dream, that has no reality. We are already reality, but do not recognise it.

    One of the problems with the "New Age" philosophies, which basically use ancient teachings and water them down in order to be more pleasing to the ego, is that of....YOU ARE ALREADY ENLIGHTENED! So there is nothing to do.

    At an advanced level of a yogi who knows the true nature of the emotions as being wisdoms, there is indeed nothing to do.
    But at street level, there is much purification, clarity and stillness needed in order to do nothing.

    Compassion, empathy and love are needed in this world, to be able to communicate and understand others' points of view, and work with that.

    This thread is about mantras, which can sometimes help. It is supplicating that which inspires. To solve a problem, we sometimes need something more powerful than our ordinary understanding. Mantra and supplication do seem to work, but I cannot explain it! Devotion works...everything seems different!

    This approach doesn't appeal to everyone...it didn't to me! I had a huge disagreement with my teacher - in public! Somehow, this inner conflict changed my life: I still cannot put my finger on it, but it seemed there was an injection of a certain amount of clarity.

    Whatever works - try it! If it doesn't, try something else! Test it, test it, test it! Then drop it, drop it, drop it!

    "Not this, not this, thou art that"....then "Not this" to that as well!





    Tony
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    Default Re: Mantras.

    I only chant one mantra,the teacher of all buddhas throughout past present and future,the incomparable nam myo ho renege kyo.I have managed to flow with this teaching for thirty three years now and have experienced wonder and transformation.regards to all who seek and to all that have found.

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