WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

OK, I am getting to them sooner than I thought.

Hi AWP:

Thanks for quoting Brian. His insights were often great ones, won by his own long, strange journey. While writings his biographies, I had to meditate on his life regularly. Of the many fellow travelers that I have encountered over the years (there really aren’t that many of us, but to an individual, it adds up; as Brian said, the FE community is less than a thousand people on the planet, and it is anything but unified, but I am trying to reach beyond it), Brian’s life was a unique journey that brought him rich rewards, even if it shortened his life.

Yes, giving it away is the only prayer that an FE inventor has, but it has to be given to a worthy group if it is going to go anywhere, and that worthy group does not yet exist. My efforts can be seen as trying to help amass it.

You are being quite poetic in your posts, and that is a fine thing. Yes, the FE issue is really a central issue of learning to be creators, which is why I keep stressing operating from the heart, because that is where creators live from. I believe that love is what we are here to learn, and the FE conundrum will be resolved where the head (left and right halves), heart, and guts meet. The FE fellow travelers that I have the highest respect for are among the most courageous people I have yet met or heard of. In our world, just wanting to know the truth, and be willing to get out of the easy chair to go after it, is an act of great courage.

Hi Mariposafe.

Yes, none of us may live to see us turn the corner, and this situation is one that has been faithfully teaching me patience in this lifetime. It can seem a little crazy to help something along that may not bear fruit in our lifetimes, but the Iroquois:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_g...sustainability

and others thought that way. In a culture where people are devolving to the attention span of gnats, and everything hinges on how the quarter went in the corporate world, short-sightedness is “normal,” but the comprehensive view is also the long view, which is also part of the purpose of this thread theme of mine for the past few months.

On consciousness and evolution; it could be the case. I don’t know if our intent makes our DNA move around, but there are ways to consciously evolve as a species, and that may be around the corner, if we can turn the corner.

Going to bed now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

No names, but I have seen links to other threads on this one lately, and one is to one of the latest inventors trying to scale the ramparts, with demonstrations (that never happen), conferences, interviews. Boy, been there, done that. I am sympathetic to the people drawn to it by the spectacle and promise, but that entire path is a dead end, IMO, unless Godzilla and the other predators died in their sleep, which I doubt. When I see naïve inventors going that route, I shudder. Demos of working FE devices go clear back to Moray, at the minimum. Conferences, big talk, and so on – I have seen it all. My early days with Dennis, and our Greatest Energy Shows on Earth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#barnum

were some of my life’s happiest and most innocent, but we were shooting at Godzilla with a pea shooter. Even the big Philly show with Yull was a pipedream, even though we met with Al Gore at the White House right after the show:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#yull

Every American presidential administration since Reagan has known who Dennis was, usually quite well, but those are the minor leagues, way down the food chain from Godzilla. So, when I see another inventor with his big talk and his gizmo, I wonder what the heck he is thinking, and if he is thinking. If would-be FE inventors know anything about the field, they know that at least 50,000 with the goods have failed before them, usually in agony, if they survived the experience. If they have any inkling of reality and they keep on at it, why do they think they have the magic approach that will succeed when all the others failed? The only way that an inventor has a prayer is to give it away, have a battle tested army at his back (never seen one of those, especially one not riddled with traitors and provocateurs, looking for their opportunity), and have enough hitchless prototypes salted away, ready for demo all over the world, that it can’t be stopped. No inventor has ever come close to achieving that scenario. I am going close my eyes now and plug my ears…

Back to the human journey. Those early days of civilization in Mesopotamia, when writing was invented, when city-states warred, when slavery was normal,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer#Uruk_period

when deforestation was the name of the game, which wiped out civilizations via siltation and salination, when the rulers were considered semi-deities, we can see dynamics that played out, in one way or another, largely until the Industrial Revolution. All domestic animals of economic importance were domesticated by the rise of Sumer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesti..._domestication

as were all domestic crops of significance:

http://archaeology.about.com/od/dome...t_domestic.htm

Sailing ships were in use:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post554265

as was the wheel. The milk-drinking pastoralists began their invasions of the settled agricultural valleys, which overthrew the feminine-based deities for masculine deities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis

and those blond-haired, blue-eyed milk drinkers appeared on the scene in the north several thousand years ago:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post546922

For the next four thousand years after Gilgamesh, the mode of production really did not change much, as empires continually rose and fell in the Old World, although there were some changes of note. A little over a thousand years after Gilgamesh, iron began to be smelted, and the leading contender for its origin is the Anatolian peninsula:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_wo...ient_Near_East

Collars that did not strangle the horse were not invented until thousands of years after they could have been:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_c..._of_the_collar

When the Classic Greeks appeared on the scene about 2,500 years ago, they were something a little different, as they pursued science, math, machines, and democracy (except slaves outnumbered free people in Athens), and were kind of considered the founders of Western thought, although their works were lost to the West for a millennium. Like everybody else, their methods wiped out their environment:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...rta#post543474

and they tried imperial plunderings, notably Sicily, before their fall to Sparta, which tried to play the empire game, to be eclipsed in its turn by Macedonia, culminating in the reign of Alexander the Great, who conquered far and wide, all the way to India:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...ndian_campaign

India bore the brunt of foreign invasions many times, and Alexander’s and later Islamic armies invaded India via the Khyber Pass, where there is warfare even today, with the USA as the latest imperial aspirant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyber_...rent_conflicts

So, the changes, even in the Industrial Age, are not as great as they may appear. It is always an energy game, which is an extremely clear motivation behind the USA’s imperial efforts in hydrocarbon country.

Egypt was the ancient world’s breadbasket, with the Nile siltation floods providing the Old World’s most reliable food supply, and it was repeatedly conquered by foreign invasion (Libya, Nubia, Assyria, Greece, Rome, Persia, Arabia, Turkey (Ottoman), France, Britain, neo-colonial US domination).

The Mediterranean Sea was the low energy transportation lane that civilizations on its periphery used for thousands of years, for trade, piracy, and conquest. The Minoan, Mycenaean, Phoenician, Egyptian, Greek, Spartan, Macedonian and other civilizations had their days of dominance, but the Big One was still to come, which began in shepherds' huts and came to dominate the Old World in ways never seen before, with many parallels to the USA’s current global dominance. I probably cannot write a whole lot about Rome that has not already been written, but I will explore it largely from the energetic/economic perspective in coming posts.

For now, it is off to work.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I get to Rome, here is a little mystical interlude. From the earliest days of civilization, elites either founded religions or corrupted them so that the elites were portrayed as divine personages. A la the Michael teachings, I will buy the idea that the Infinite Spirit manifested several times long ago, though Krishna, Lao-Tzu, Buddha, Ra, and Jesus. I’ll also buy that the transcendental spirit has also appeared through Zoroaster, Socrates, Confucius, Mohammed, Gandhi, and perhaps others.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#infinite

For those who have had their mystical awakenings, the idea of Infinite and Transcendental spirits is not far-fetched, although historians and scholars question whether most of those personages really existed, with the stories of their lives being merely folk tales. I have been around some exalted spiritual beings in my lifetime, and I know that most of those around those exalted beings would not have understood, and in every instance, their contemporaries, and those who came after them, with their misguided or plainly self-serving agendas, corrupted the lessons of the masters. All organized religions are, at best, twisted versions of enlightened teachings, bent toward amassing wealth and power, using religion as a means of social control. So it is, in a world of scarcity.

The rise of science sought to supplant organized religion as the authority of reality, and it largely has, but science in no way had anything to say about the wisdom of the spiritual masters. Just yesterday, I was reading an article that speculates that science will eliminate the need for God:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49074598...ssibility-god/

All I can say to that is that the materialists don’t get it, and never will get it, until they get some experience under their belt. Organized religion is the province of the Baby Soul, and materialism is the province of the Young Soul.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#age

It seems that all souls need to go through those phases, at least on this planet. You might be surprised at how often I have to hear people spout their half-cocked mystical perspectives, as they tell me how creation stacks up, because they read about some dude in India and meditated a little. The mystical aspect is far from the be all, end all, but spiritual newbies often think so. We evolve our souls through the experiences of our lifetimes while we are here. While we are here, the lessons are here, not in some lofty, non-physical plane. The mystical aspect has its place, but when people use it to justify dishonesty, violence, coercion, and the other games that people play in a world of scarcity, they have failed to learn the lesson, and it is a lesson of the heart.

OK, off to Rome. Rome arose in a world where genocide, slavery, invasion and the like were normal aspects of existence. The most immediate predecessor to Roman civilization was the Etruscan one, which mostly existed north of what became Rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

Because the Etruscans left no written records, there has been debate for centuries about their origin. The Greeks and Carthaginians were the dominant players in the Mediterranean during the Etruscan days, and both influenced the Etruscans. The Etruscans stressed the nuclear family, and it was a stratified civilization, as they all were (as they all still are ). The Etruscans never had an empire, but just a bunch of cities with similar culture. The Celts absorbed the northern Etruscan cities, the native Italians absorbed the southern Etruscan cities, and when Rome arose, it absorbed all of it eventually, and that multi-cultural aspect of Rome’s beginnings likely had something to do with its success. It freely borrowed what it found useful from the peoples it conquered. It developed a laissez-faire religious system. Any belief was OK, as long as it kneeled to the political powers, which eventually meant the emperor.

In northern Italy is the Po river valley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po_Valley

Long before the rise of Rome, deforestation and siltation impacted the Po, just as it did in the Fertile Crescent and Near East. Ravenna was an important port for Rome, a ways from the mouth of the Po. Today, Ravenna sits several miles inland, as part of the large silt plain at the Po’s mouth. All of that silt that buried old cities and put a seaside city such as Ur 150 miles inland:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post554340

is not where the damage was. The damage is in the soils that were washed away from their site of origin. Soil is what plants need to live. All of that siltation is mute evidence of how deforestation and plow agriculture wrecked the lands, making them less amenable to support ecosystems. Tree roots suck up water from the soils and vent it to the atmosphere through transpiration. That dynamic is what sustains ecosystems such as the Amazon:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...zon#post550716

When a forest is razed, it also kills the cycling of water through the soils. The soils then become waterlogged, and can become salinated, and then the soil loses its ability to grow crops, so the farmer moves on to deforest some more land and wrest a few crops out of the ground before that land is also rendered infertile. This dynamic is as old as agriculture, and the greater the scale it was practiced, the quicker and more completely it wrecked the land. Again, a quarter of the world’s topsoil has been lost since World War II. This is one of many areas where we are on the fast track to oblivion, and taking the ecosystems with us. That may be humanity’s greatest crime.

Time to run off to work.

Best,

Wade

[4evrneo]

Wade,
I have to just tell you how much I am learning from your wisdom and insights. This is a world I didnt know existed and now that I am aware of it, I have a special place in my heart for you and the courage you possess. I hope there is another way to get there, and after reading most of your journey, I am putting you in my focus and attention. I personally dream of the leap to abundance and FE for all.

All my best Wade,
Blessings,
Annette

[Wade Frazier]

Hi 4evrneo:

Thanks for lending your awareness to this issue. That is my goal these days, to just get people thinking about it.

OK, Rome. Big subject. The USA is continually compared to Rome these days, and not in a good way. Is there a good way to be compared to Rome? Rome was a kingdom for nearly 250 years before it became what is today called a republic, and stayed a republic for nearly 500 years before it became an empire. It was an empire for nearly 1500 years, finally ending with the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans in 1453:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

The part of the empire run from Rome, however, was finished nearly a thousand years before Constantinople fell, and Europe fell into its Dark Ages. But from its beginning in 753 BC, to its end in 1453 AD, what is commonly called Rome lasted more than 2,200 years. In scale and duration, nothing else in world history comes close.

In 117 AD, during Trajan’s rule, Rome ruled over about a quarter of humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ro...ajan_117AD.png

It was the 800-pound gorilla of the ancient world. In Trajan’s time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traianus

the city of Rome had a population of perhaps one million people, as did Alexandria around the same era:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ughout_history

In 1100 AD, during the Medieval Warming Period, which was the time of city-building in Europe, Rome had declined to about 15,000 people living among the ruins of a once-great civilization. I have been reading about Rome, on and off, for about twenty years. Because Christianity was born in the empire, because Latin is still taught in American schools and spawned several widespread languages spoken today (they are called Romance languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages ), and is widely used in science and law, there is no escaping the influence of Rome, thousands of years after its peak. The decline and fall of Rome is one of the biggest subjects of antiquity studies. The issue of collapsing civilizations is a hugely contentious one these days. I have written about the debates that Jared Diamond has stirred.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post550716

Efforts such as Questioning Collapse are unfortunately common enough, and I am not sure what all is behind them, but I think I see the human ego and various agendas at work, parading behind scholarly pretensions. The human presence on Earth has virtually never been “sustainable,” as humans burned through one energy source after another, all of which wrecked the environments. How could it be different? If humans wrest energy from the ecosystems that formerly supported other life forms, those other life forms will suffer for it, plain and simple. If humans burned forests and grasslands to produce human-friendly environments, it necessarily pushed out other creatures. With life always being adaptable, fire-resistant and even fire-dependent plants appeared and prospered, at the expense of those that could not, and animals also adapted to the incessant burning of the forests and plains that humans performed over many thousands of years. All the efforts to chalk up the megafauna extinctions to climate change, bolide impacts and other events, and downplaying the human impact, I regard as kind of fraudulent, especially when the same dynamics have been clearly recorded in the historical era, when humans invaded new lands that had formerly been people-free (New Zealand, Madagascar, islands in the Caribbean, the Indian and Pacific Oceans, and even in the Mediterranean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatern...er_extinctions ). The European expansion that “colonized” the islands in the Atlantic was instantly catastrophic for everything that lived there:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#guanches

Plow agriculture wrecks the soils, while completely destroying the ecosystems that lived in and on those soils. There really can be no argument on that issue. Those exposed soils then blow and wash away to the oceans. That dynamic has been happening for the entirely of the civilizations that engaged in deforestation and plow agriculture. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand those simple dynamics.

I suspect that all of those scholars and scientists that deny that humans wreck environments, that we drove countless species to extinction and may be just getting warmed up, that we have been altering the atmosphere and climate for eight thousand years, that we have wrecked many environments so that they could no longer sustain us, and that we are doing the same thing today on a scale that threatens to make the entire planet uninhabitable, is just more of the egocentric games of denial that humans excel at, to deny the obvious, largely because we are all playing the scarcity game. I called it the zero-sum game long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#zero

and others have different names for it, but it is the mentality that the damage that we inflict on others is justified, because it is how we survive. That mentality is rooted in perhaps the biggest lie being told on Earth today, a lie of omission that manifests in the denial that FE and other technologies exist on the planet today, which can easily make all of that zero-sum-game rationalizing of exploitation, genocide, and extinction a completely obsolete mindset. A world of abundance, world healing, and something that looks a lot like heaven on Earth is just around the corner, if enough people with sufficient personal integrity can simply imagine what can be:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

It is really not a difficult intellectual exercise. What is hard about it is letting go of all the egocentric garbage that is paraded daily in our societies that justify and even exalt scarcity and its dysfunctional adaptations. Brian’s questions about whether humanity is really a sentient species are appropriate:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sentience

Will this be our species’ epitaph, "They almost reached sentience before they destroyed themselves”?

Can we get over the hump? Do enough of us really care? These are the questions that I have been living with for most of my life. From what I saw, I know that if several thousand people could achieve true sentience, which always begins in the heart, getting humanity over the hump into Sentience Land would be easy. But people like Brian and Dennis have been lone voices in the wilderness, assailed from all directions, with spear carriers like me trying to carry on to the degree that we can, in a world dominated by denial and indifference, which is really a world dominated by fear. I want to live in a world dominated by love, and we are not going to get there unless the means for abundance can make it past humanity’s inertia and the organized suppression that the “smart” instantly dismiss as a “conspiracy theory” (those clever Level 3s http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level3).

Enough of that rant. I will be gone soon for the next week, and then very busy for the six weeks after that, so the going on this human journey series will be slow, but I will get there.

Writing about Rome is going to be a painful experience for me, partly because I will be writing about a culture that entertained itself by forcing people to murder each other. To call it a “civilization” is being charitable, but it was the ancient world’s greatest civilization, which in essence says horrific things about our species. In old writings of mine, I dealt with many of the religious/cultural aspects of Rome:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#bronze

but I am going to try to focus on the economic/energetic aspects of the rise and fall of Rome. It is a very long story, but at its root, it is about how Rome continually expanded by conquest and subjugation, stealing the gold, land, and flesh of the peoples they conquered, and as they made ever-wider expansion, the deforestation and plow agriculture that followed in their wake denuded the Mediterranean and burned through the forests of Western Europe all the way to the British Isles. The so-called Peace of Rome was like the peace of Genghis Khan’s empire. The Roman historian Tacitus described the Peace of Rome this way:

“To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.”

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus#Agricola_.2898.29

Voices like his did not carry the day, obviously.

Off to work now.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

Hang in Wade :-}

You are not alone in your frustration my Dear Brother and Friend. Heck I lost it the other day with my Brothers victim thinking and stance and before I knew it this slipped out of my mouth>>>You really need to wake the f**k up !! I don't know who was surprised more me or him :-)

Sometimes LOVE can seem harsh but that little outburst gave him food for thought and me too about my own sentient being because it almost felt too good to release the frustration I feel with not only him but the world at large.

See you on the up side and remember to take care of yourself in all your busyness of making a buck, writings to educate and inform and constant work to create a choir of sentient beings to help bring forth Free Energy. Much Love and Blessings

P.S. I'm now nicotine free as of two weeks so this may be the real culprit to losing my patience hahahaha LIFE IS GOOD :-)

[Melinda]

Posted by sandy (here)
Hang in Wade :-}

You are not alone in your frustration my Dear Brother and Friend. Heck I lost it the other day with my Brothers victim thinking and stance and before I knew it this slipped out of my mouth>>>You really need to wake the f**k up !! I don't know who was surprised more me or him :-)

Sometimes LOVE can seem harsh but that little outburst gave him food for thought and me too about my own sentient being because it almost felt too good to release the frustration I feel with not only him but the world at large.

See you on the up side and remember to take care of yourself in all your busyness of making a buck, writings to educate and inform and constant work to create a choir of sentient beings to help bring forth Free Energy. Much Love and Blessings

P.S. I'm now nicotine free as of two weeks so this may be the real culprit to losing my patience hahahaha LIFE IS GOOD :-)

I always look forward to reading your posts Sandy
Sometimes I wonder why I let myself get angry at my family (...who am I to judge given my plethora of foibles, etc?) But then just when I think it was wanton self-indulgence, something flickers in their eyes or their voice that suggests a useful seed may have been sewn. Life is a mystery that way.
They say even Jesus tore up the temple at least once (although I'm quite sure my family doesn't compare to the scale of difficulty he was facing.)
Still, I'm often wondering if I'll make it to a zen-like sage state of being at some point in life where I can impart the healing without the acrimony.

A huge well-done on being nicotine free for 2 weeks. That's no easy feat. You're an inspiration.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Sandy:

Congrats on doing what you can to kick the drugs. I wrestled with the bottle for twenty years, after it was kind of forced on me. When I write posts like the previous one, I know where they come from, and people like you can pick right up on it. I pretty much have no family left, and few friends, and most of that has to do with my journey. I have either been ostracized, attacked, or treated to some kind of strange hero-worship where the worshippers have eventually tried to compete with me regarding my understanding of the world. None of them really had a clue, parroting propaganda or half-understood teachings, thinking that they were being keenly insightful and helpful, and when I eventually told them to please stop, repeatedly, I would then get attacked, etc. It is a dreary dynamic, and I know why prophets have no honor in their home towns. Yes, even Christs had their bad days. Nobody gets off easy here.

There is a little method to my madness when I rant, which is to show my human side. When I get that conversation going that I envision, I probably won’t allow myself that “luxury.” It will be a high level conversation where I hope that we can get something done, something important. I might make a post or two before I am gone for about a week. We’ll see how it goes.

As I previously stated, Rome rose in a time when life was cheap. Iron Age agriculture, built on deforestation and the plow, afforded the agricultural surplus that funded civilization, but it was not a large surplus. It is estimated that it took around ten farmers to support one city dweller in those days. The basis for all early civilizations was peasants wrenching energy from the land. The Fertile Crescent was no longer so fertile, with those lower Mesopotamian city-states long since abandoned, from soil salination and siltation. Deforestation, primarily for short-lived agriculture and the fuel that the wood could supply, was the primary dynamic of destruction. Newly cleared land was coveted by all farmers; the first crops were bounteous, as the rich soils created by the forests were exploited. But it only took a few crops to noticeably deplete the soils, from nutrient depletion (nitrogen, minerals), and as the soils blew and washed away, there was progressively less soil for crops.

By the time Rome was founded, Greece had already been badly eroded by those practices, and there had already been two civilization collapses, of the Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations, and Greece was emerging from its Dark Ages when Rome was founded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages

Greeks had settled on the Italian Peninsula:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia

largely as environmental refugees, and the Greek influence would be great on the rise of Rome.

Just so I am clear, Tainter argues that no civilization yet collapsed for environmental reasons that he knows of, but I regard such arguments with considerable skepticism. I’ll agree with Tainter that civilizations collapsed when the urban dwellers decided to get the heck out of town, because they had a better chance of being fed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#tainter

But why did they decide to leave, or why were their civilizations on the wrong end of a war? Homer-Dixon has part of it right, IMO, in that declining marginal returns from energy investments (Energy Return on Investment - EROI) is what led to Rome’s eventual fall. Because the energy of food and wood was virtually the sole basis of Roman energy (and the low-energy transportation lane that the Mediterranean afforded Rome), the decline in EROI was always directly attributable to land that no longer could provide wood or food. So, to say that declining EROI led to the collapse is to state very clearly that it was an environmental collapse, although that is not what the fleeing urban dweller thought; he was driven from the city due to hunger.

When an invading army conquered parts of the Roman Empire, it was because Rome could no longer generate the necessary energy to fund its defenses, and that was directly dependent on wood and food. I am getting a little ahead of myself here, but the Roman Empire was sustained almost purely by foreign conquest. And they enslaved the conquered peoples who ended up living short lives in the arenas, dying in combat to entertain the masses, or dying in the mines and on the plantations. To say that Rome “ruled” over its conquered territory is a misnomer; it raped and plundered its conquests, completely eradicating entire cities while sending the inhabitants off to short lives of slavery. The waste of human lives by Rome was prodigious, on a scale that the world had never seen before, and would not again until the rise of Nazi Germany:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#gladiator

And Nazi Germany actively appropriated Roman iconography, with the First Reich being the Holy Roman Empire:

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4564

which tried to recapture the “glory” of Rome. The USA aped Roman civilization in many ways, such as with its “Senate,” and the monumental architecture of Washington D.C. is no different than what the earliest civilizations did, to overawe its subjects, to enforce a reverence for the elites. Today, American schoolchildren now go to Washington D.C. to drink the imperial Kool-Aid, usually in the eighth grade. It was not that way when I was a kid, but that kind of indoctrination is what declining empires do, to try to hold it together.

These Rome posts will take a little while, and I may not get another post done before I leave for a week.

Off to work now.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

"a zen-like sage state of being at some point in life where I can impart the healing without the acrimony." Regards AWP - and Sandy, in this respect. I'm finding more and more I have to ignore the world to stay in a state of well being. I certainly get more done when I focus on my own small sphere. And except for the leap to the really big picture like FE and real freedom for humans, it seems better to focus small.

And Wade thanks once more for the comprehensive data.

[sandy]

Hi All,

Thanks for the support re quitting smoking, it is much appreciated :-)

I quit drinking over thirty years ago and I would say it seemed easier although I probably was more accepting of it's damage to my son and life than smoking so thus this go round is a little tougher. But you know what they say when the going gets tough>>>the tough get going!! You know in all our sensitiveness we are really very "tough" beings underneath, otherwise how could we keep our integrity and truths alive amongst all the dead. lol

A funny thing is happening right now in my life so i will share it with you or better yet bounce it off of you.

In working on being non-judgemental, compassionate and loving, I opened the door to a brother in need last year, and accompanied another brother to a sisters last Xmas that I had not communed with in over 3 years . Well these acts of love and compassion have brought most of my family back in my life including my granddaughters (spent 4 wonderful days and nights with me in early August) and nieces,nephews and cousins. Word sure traveled fast that I had been around and the requests for visits began arriving early this year. It seems that I have had non-stop company, requests for travel companion x3, phone calls galore, emails, etc and typical family interactions ever since.

I am happy to have family back in my life but at the same time happy to be living away from most of them due to our differences in lifestyles, beliefs, and ways of being. I know for me that having boundaries is important and at the same time not compromising who am and being true to myself is key to my sense of peace. It is a balancing act for sure but must be of purpose as going with the flow has created this turn of events. More learning to come I'm sure.

[mosquito]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I'm finding more and more I have to ignore the world to stay in a state of well being. I certainly get more done when I focus on my own small sphere. And except for the leap to the really big picture like FE and real freedom for humans, it seems better to focus small.

That's exactly how it is for me these days, I alternate between focussing on the things life has given me to attend to personally, and a global vision for the future. No middle ground, and I feel more and more uncomfortable with contrived social situations.

[sandy]

Just a quick message to bring this family topic back to Wade's writings, and back on track, I think what is happening with collapses of civilizations such as Rome, etc includes the break down of family in many ways as well. Those who are on different paths such as many of us here become estranged to our own as they no longer can connect in meaningful ways to them as before and become scared or intimidated by our changes. We have stepped out of the social paradigm and conditioning along with the peer pressure to get back in line. When I stand in their shoes I would call me weird,strange and nuts at times as well. :-)

It is all apart of the process leading up to civilization collapses. Wade has been clearly depicting through his research that this pattern is evident so long as we have been around. After all these eons nothing has really changed and unless we bring Free energy to fruition, nothing is going to change for the better ever. Just another collapse with the real threat of total extinction and Earth's total destruction.

Great interlude my Free energy Brothers and Sisters>>> Love to All and now back to the next Roman Post

[Ilie Pandia]

It's becoming rather evident that we either learn to use Free Energy in a constructive way and fast! or we are doomed (at least in this plane of existence).

It seems that w/o free energy there is no way out of "burning through resources and then collapsing". The future historians may call it the nuclear war, or they will be more wise and see it as scarcity based reaction to dropping energy levels.

History would have made such much more sense if it were taught as the "energy dynamics" and not the political and economical games the rulers played.

As a funny observation, perhaps many readers of this thread are familiar with the Starcraft game where you actually get to reply the rise (and fall) of Rome but this time... in space. Most players understand (at least at a subconscious levels) that this is an energy game. The player that builds up the most energy reserves faster than the others wins . You even have in game characters telling over and over at the worst times possible "Not enough energy!"

The illusion of the game is that it ends after you win the battles. If it were to continue, your space empire would collapse itself once you would run of resources. So you only got an empty victory.

[Reinhard]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
It's becoming rather evident that we either learn to use Free Energy in a constructive way and fast! or we are doomed (at least in this plane of existence).

It seems that w/o free energy there is no way out of "burning through resources and then collapsing". The future historians may call it the nuclear war, or they will be more wise and see it as scarcity based reaction to dropping energy levels.

History would have made such much more sense if it were taught as the "energy dynamics" and not the political and economical games the rulers played.

Ilie, I totally agree. How should we go about it --- in a 'constructive way and fast'?

From a systemic-comprehensive point of view, I think we should keep being open-minded, open-hearted towards all the diffent approaches of FE. That includes a clear scepticism and takes into consideration all the bad experiences and covert obstacles, inflicted by 'godzilla' and our own personal shortcomings. Like I pointed out in my thread on Rossi's Cold Fusion approach (maybe Keshe, too; I just don't know enough about him), those people need all the support we can give---on all levels. Among others, we probably should clearify the level(s) above godzilla and its puppets.
Reinhard

[Melinda]

Posted by rs50 (here)
...From a systemic-comprehensive point of view, I think we should keep being open-minded, open-hearted towards all the diffent approaches of FE... [portion missing] ...Like I pointed out in my thread on Rossi's Cold Fusion approach (maybe Keshe, too; I just don't know enough about him), those people need all the support we can give...

There's an element of this that truly resonates with me Reinhard. I fully appreciate that this thread is not the place for me to discuss my questions or feelings about those inventors and their efforts; but wishing the best for them (and wishing for them to find the best in themselves), taking an active interest in their work, supporting its development from afar - it all feels like a valuable aspect of growing the FE foundations around the planet. That said, I completely understand why people who have been burned and thrashed around for years in the FE battlefield would have less time or head space for involvement in that kind of conversation. They gave more of themselves over to supporting inventors 'on the ground' in a matter of years than I might manage in several lifetimes. I see the practical understanding being grown on this thread, and the fact that its comprehensive landscape is another place to meditate on the benefits and implications of FE, as an energetic form of support to all those inventors. I feel like the more of us that can understand the broad context of FE's implications, the better a network of support we can make on all levels. These comments aren't so much directly to you Reinhard. But what you said inspired me to want to clarify how I see these things, and writing often helps me to do that.

I really found it uplifting reading everyone's comments from the past couple of days. Makes me feel less alone in my search for understanding of what's being presented here and consolidates the value of it.

Post 2268, Wade Frazier: "...The USA aped Roman civilization in many ways, such as with its “Senate,” and the monumental architecture of Washington D.C. is no different than what the earliest civilizations did, to overawe its subjects, to enforce a reverence for the elites..."

Its interesting pointing out to people (present company excepted) the unnervingly solid echoes of ancient elites in the modern landscape. As just one example, London has its share of obelisk monuments, the significance of which 'technologically' and symbolically can easily go unnoticed. Much as I've researched it, I'm quite sure I don't understand it fully. My point is simply that its there, in plain sight, to be questioned. A topic in itself that probably has more than one thread of its own on the forum.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Great comments. I don’t have the time to give good responses before I jump on a plane, but briefly...in the scientific debates on the collapse of civilizations, it was always running out of energy, at its root. Jared Diamond made the case that many civilizations wiped out their environments. Others have made the case that droughts did it, and Tainter made the case that there was a declining marginal return on investments in complexity. It each case, it was just another way that they ran out of energy, or how running out of energy was what collapsed them.

It really can be seen as the energy production activities that sustained the civilization failed, whether it was drought, famine, disruption by invasion, or deforestation and desertification. In all early civilizations, the primary energy source was food (for humans and draft animals) and the heat provided by burning wood. Old World cultures eventually learned how to capture wind and water power, and it helped Europe begin to industrialize, but it was only when the energy of coal was tapped that England was really able to industrialize. Coal is still the big one, and it will be the main energy source long after the oil is gone, unless we do FE.

On Rossi and Keshe, briefly. Neither one of them has any inkling of what they are up against. Neither did Dennis and I, in 1987. Their approach is like countless other inventors over the years, doomed to failure. I am not even interested in what Dennis is doing anymore, as he keeps trying to go the business route. What I am trying to do is help people develop an energy-centric, comprehensive awareness, so that people will keep their eye on the ball, and the ball is not another hero/aspirant who is trying to scale the ramparts. The way those two are going about it, with sensational statements, without any demos to back them up, playing the patent and capitalistic game, is literally the easiest one for Godzilla to defeat. In the USA, there are about four thousand classified energy patents. When the government does that, the inventor goes to jail if he keeps it up. It becomes illegal to even discuss the technology.

I am not going to allow myself to get distracted by the inventor of the hour. The day that an inventor with the goods (Rossi and Keshe have yet to demonstrate that they do) gives it to a worthy group (I have never seen or heard of that group, and what I am trying to do here is begin to amass that worthy group, and the work has really not yet begun), then there will be an effort that might have a prayer of success. Until that day comes, I have no interest in what another inventor has come up with. The inventor route is about zero-for-50,000 so far, and there is nothing that Keshe and Rossi are doing that gives me any hope that they will not make it zero-for-50,002 in the near future, if they even really have the goods. Sparky Sweet did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

as have others in my circle. Not a prayer, any of them. I am trying a different approach.

Time for my full-body scanner experience.

Best,

Wade

[ulli]

Pluto and Uranus are squaring now.
This is our chance. A window has opened, or rather, an inter-dimensional gate.
Pluto's energy is comparable to that of a volcano-
a mountain that is not just any mountain, but something more deceptive since deep underneath the pristine flora and fauna there are rivers of hot lava seeking an exit through the blocking rocks.
Meanwhile Uranus' energy is more electric...it needs a duality of a different kind than Pluto. Where Pluto's energy is a long-term build-up Uranus can produce an explosion in an instant...the moment when two opposite poles are at the right distance to one another.
So now these two are meeting...the 90 degree angle in the sky has brought them onto an empty dance floor, or is it a boxing ring?
Each person on earth is experiencing this confrontation on their own inner sky line, and only a few understand the process.
If enough people become aware that this is their chance to bring about the highest good for all, all they need to do is modify their own behavior in such a way as they would like others to behave towards them, then start sending their daydream out into the ether.
And voila! The Golden Age.
Simple.

[Reinhard]

Posted by A Wandering Ponderer (here)

Posted by rs50 (here)
...From a systemic-comprehensive point of view, I think we should keep being open-minded, open-hearted towards all the diffent approaches of FE... [portion missing] ...Like I pointed out in my thread on Rossi's Cold Fusion approach (maybe Keshe, too; I just don't know enough about him), those people need all the support we can give...

There's an element of this that truly resonates with me Reinhard. I fully appreciate that this thread is not the place for me to discuss my questions or feelings about those inventors and their efforts; but wishing the best for them (and wishing for them to find the best in themselves), taking an active interest in their work, supporting its development from afar - it all feels like a valuable aspect of growing the FE foundations around the planet. That said, I completely understand why people who have been burned and thrashed around for years in the FE battlefield would have less time or head space for involvement in that kind of conversation. They gave more of themselves over to supporting inventors 'on the ground' in a matter of years than I might manage in several lifetimes. I see the practical understanding being grown on this thread, and the fact that its comprehensive landscape is another place to meditate on the benefits and implications of FE, as an energetic form of support to all those inventors. I feel like the more of us that can understand the broad context of FE's implications, the better a network of support we can make on all levels. These comments aren't so much directly to you Reinhard. But what you said inspired me to want to clarify how I see these things, and writing often helps me to do that.

I really found it uplifting reading everyone's comments from the past couple of days. Makes me feel less alone in my search for understanding of what's being presented here and consolidates the value of it.

Post 2268, Wade Frazier: "...The USA aped Roman civilization in many ways, such as with its “Senate,” and the monumental architecture of Washington D.C. is no different than what the earliest civilizations did, to overawe its subjects, to enforce a reverence for the elites..."

Its interesting pointing out to people (present company excepted) the unnervingly solid echoes of ancient elites in the modern landscape. As just one example, London has its share of obelisk monuments, the significance of which 'technologically' and symbolically can easily go unnoticed. Much as I've researched it, I'm quite sure I don't understand it fully. My point is simply that its there, in plain sight, to be questioned. A topic in itself that probably has more than one thread of its own on the forum.

Hi wandering ponderer, Wade,

Understood. Just every once in a while, I feel I should drop in from the side-lines, because I haven't, yet, given up on trying to mediate between the different 'perspectives', and let people---who want to hear--know about how things are progressing. Trying to mediate, even between irreconcilable opposites (had to look this one up) might just be part of my aquarian nature

After all, we're in this together...
.................Back to what I call work: preparing for a meeting on the various technical, societal and spiritual aspects of the phenomenon called 'Energy'.....................

Reinhard

ps: Hope you had a smooth flight, Wade. Do you really allow them to strip-scan you at the airport?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade, have you ever heard of the Ismael series by Daniel Quin?
He speaks of the same sort of dynamic, maintaining that "civilization" and agriculture are mankind's bane - to sum up his work in a phrase. Great reading and very enlightening.

LOve your human journey posts. Good stuff.
Thanks.

[Chris Gilbert]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
That's exactly how it is for me these days, I alternate between focussing on the things life has given me to attend to personally, and a global vision for the future. No middle ground, and I feel more and more uncomfortable with contrived social situations.

It's similar for me as well. Although I still have the desire to spend time with friends occasionally, the social activities most prefer to engage in no longer hold as much appeal as they once did. If it was not for friends wanting to meet at the club/bar, I would have almost nothing to do with such locales. Oftentimes when I do go, an hour is enough and after that I start thinking about all the time I could be spending on discussions of global transformation, or my writing, hiking and Taoist practices.