Are You 'Starseed' ? Ancient (Alien?) Soul with Temporary Amnesia? Remember Atlantis?

[we-R-one]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Below are a few links pertaining to one of your sources. While reading them... I think you’re realize why I stated “define in your own words”. Many of today’s alternative media outlets have a daunting task of cleaning up their image, especially if they want to be taking serious. First I will start with Dr. Boylan. If you still can’t understand where I’m going with this... then I’ll provide more links and insight to the dangers of spreading unconfirmed alternative news in a later post. but for now......

I think you’ll find some of his documentations to be a bit more revealing and perhaps misleading. http://www.info-quest.org/documents/nsaufo.html

This link talks about Dr. Boylan being a disinfo agent for TPTB. Your source Dr. Boylan Seems to be on the list of questionable people. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...mes/read/21981

Here’s a Dowse on Dr. R. Boylan's Reported Star Visitors Rescue Mission, you might find this interesting as well…
http://educate-yourself.org/pnl/boyl...e25may07.shtml

On Boylan’s website, he claims many of the people in the alternative media are in cahoots with TBTB, Even some people you may follow... including favorites like Cannon, Collier, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy. So, it’s in my opinion that you are picking and choosing what feels right to you but didn’t realize the connections (and disconnects) he has with those in the same field.

http://www.drboylan.com/goodbadugly.html

The only information I can verify from Dr. Boylan is his topic on Star Seeds and their characteristics and that is all I have been discussing. I'm able to do this because I can use myself as a physical example, something that is tangible. I have no idea about the rest of what he studies or discusses. So it would be unfair of me to judge him as I have nothing to base on whether what he says is true or not regarding the rest of his work. I am very aware that he is not favored by all.

Additionally the material you gave links to covers "subjective material" I'm surprised that you would consider using that to make your case since you do not seem to believe in "subjective" personal experiences as it does not give you the physical proof your seek. So I have to ask, why is ok. to use it to prove your point/ case? Who is Phillip Ledoux and why is his information credible? Where's his physical proof? What is he basing his decision on?

None of the links you've provided have anything to do with Star Seeds and their charcteristics. Anybody can say anybody is a disinfo agent. What we have been discussing here are Star Seeds and whether they exist or not, not Planet X, etc.

Probably the most solid resource I gave you is Dr. Mandelker, in which I'm assuming you have not read his books. He's credentialed in a 3D sense, meaning he's educated in the field he is studying and writing about. He has specifically studied Star Seeds in great depth, probably more than anyone else from what I can see, though it's possible there are others I haven't come across yet. I recommend you look at his credentials if you haven't all ready. He has put a great amount of time into the varying topics from the alternative community. So when you look at what Boylan, Mandelker and Starr are saying, there is much similarity to what they speak of in regards to Star Seeds. Just because I can't confirm the rest of their information one way or another does not make all their material inaccurate. A lot of what they cover is subjective material so you are not going to see the type of proof you seek. In fact, now that I think about it, the Star Seed information is probably the most provable based on the characteristics. I cannot tell you where we all come from, all I can tell you are the characteristics match.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
"Here's where this Star Seed's full attention will lie, as the "The Solution" is in full swing and has been for many years.....and now that I am fairly awake I can better assist to ensure that the foundation continues to be laid so that others may too walk the path over the bridge in hopes of helping usher in the coming Golden Age of a more heart-centered civilization."

That’s odd because I see the world heading into more wars, poverty is steadily on the rise, and suffering continues more today than yesterday. I know everyone here knows this because much of the topics here prove that. Why is this? IMHO, I think the only way we make things better is to continue to wake people up to the injustices in the world and assist them in empowering themselves instead of confusing them more with material that can’t really be validated. IMHO, your description of star seeds is just humans waking up to their true self, the self that realizes he/she is just as important as the next, has talents they were born with to help prosper society and self instead of being conditioned to be nothing more than a supporter of our flawed systems (Doctors, Lawyers, Celebrities, law enforcement, financing, etc). If we all catered to our talents and became responsible for each other life would be glorious and humanity will be much more advanced...as many people would not be stuck in dead end jobs and/or performing jobs they really don’t want to do but do it only because they have to. If we never had set standards and blindly supported them...we wouldn’t be in the situation. People are starting not to want to be here anymore because they are seeing the nonsense we uphold daily. Before this awakening we were all going along with the plan, more selfish, greedier, more about individuality...which ultimately leads to misery because the Human being is instinctively a social and compassionate being by nature.
SO, as I’ve asked earlier...”where do you see this world a year from now”? Can you provide me some detail to the home/planet/nebula/dimension/ you think you are from, what does it look like? This answer can give me further insight. I want to see if your original world has any of the flawed physics and misleading scientific theories we were taught to describe the cosmos.
Thanks for your patience and seemingly sincere posts. Clarity and broadening perceptions of reality is always good.

PS: just to clarify... your text is in bold and underlined.

Peace

The reason you find my remarks above as odd is becausing you're looking at the situation with a 3D perspective and you have to step outside of that to understand...Realities outside of 3D are not necessarily tangible, meaning they exist, but you cannot see them in 3D and therefore they do not follow the laws that govern 3D existence. There's probably a better way of explaining and I'm just not presenting in a manner that resonates with you. How you think controls the reality you're in...so if you think nothing exists because you physically can't see it touch it feel it, etc....and you keep putting those expectation on everything, you will have a hard time stepping out of a 3D reality into another. The suffering is increasing and for a reason...it has to be so in your face in order for people to get it...it's a tool! And that is what people do not understand yet because they're looking at it from a 3D perspective!

Don't worry, I'll explain more in "the solution". Waking people up is only part of the solution, but there is much more work to be done and the more the merrier.

When you say this,
"If we all catered to our talents and became responsible for each other life would be glorious and humanity will be much more advanced",

I have to disagree. This transition is about personal responsibility, not being responsible for eachother. Sure we should be kind to one another, but it's more about being responsible for one's actions, not waiting for someone else to do or think for them. We're not advancing because we're being surpressed, and we're being surpressed because we were lazy and not willing to take personal responsibilty, but instead, left it for someone else to handle.

As far as your last question I all ready answered in my post #58 at the bottom, you probably just missed it. I have no idea where I come from, so I have nothing to offer you as far as information, wish I could...the only inkling I have is that I'm possibly from Sirius, that is where my "subconscious" seems to lead me. So when I say that, I don't have a mental picture as a memory, like what you're accustomed to considering to be a memory, I only have an "emotion" as a memory. All memories do not come as pictures, but you have to research reincarnation to understand more clearly and I'm not going to take it there in depth on this thread. Hope I make sense, it's late so I'm outta here! Will run spell check tomorrow.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Hi we-R-One, the question about genetic vs. energetic came up when a now retired member talked about having blood/DNA from the reptilian race. I may be phrasing this incorrectly. I had asked in a post and by PM but never got an answer. That’s probably why. We are all figuring it out as we go along. I can live with that.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

So did he consider himself to be Reptilian because he had the RH negative factor? or was there something else? Your question is not too far fetched from earlier as we know these guys are extremely advanced. The story that comes to mind is the Project Camelot interview Dan Burisch....remember him? He specifically said in his interview that they had transferred the soul of a dying J-Rod boy into him and that was the main reason for his abduction when he was a young boy. He also said, not too long after that abduction, he because quite astute in the fields of science and math, a trait that seemed to come out of no where and a trait that was apparently that of the boy who had died- as Dan Burisch later found out.

Hi we-R-one,

I saw Dan Burisch's interviews. It answered my question somewhat - genetic vs. energetic. The retired member implied she was reptilian and other times told stories of her abductions. The explanation was never complete for me.

Specifically, I'm one of eight kids. I was told I am of Andromeda planetary origin, and when I researched the characteristics, it explained some things. (Click here for approximately ten star groups.)

The question: what makes me an Andromedan and my siblings not? If genetics is the answer and my parents are a genetic soup of starseeds, then I happened to have greater number of Andromedian genes? Which makes me different.

So here's my thinking:

Humans are a genetic mix of star seeds. That's what makes this planet unique and valued in the Universe. The psychology of individuals is based on genetic make-up. So personalities, desires and outlooks differ in the Collective.

All on the planet are Star Seeds and will awaken. There are some that have a greater potential to awaken sooner because of life experience and wisdoms from other Star lives. They are older Souls. The ones who volunteered. Their Souls entered via conception/birth to assist in awakening, and/or job specific to Mother Earth and her children.

In short, all of us are here to remember we are from Star Families, and ARE with purpose. Some volunteers, i.e. Starseeds, Indigos, Crystal, Rainbow...are here to jump-start that recall.

What do you think, we-R-one? I'd add that the souls that come in at conception/birth are not to be confused with walk-ins, nor the entities that take over a body.

Thanks in advance,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Peace of Mind]

Hi, We-R-One, thanks for the healthy dialogue. Your rcomments are in bold and underlined.

You see, you are giving me the impression that no proof will satisfy you. So I have to ask another question that you never answered - What kind of proof are you looking for? Who do you deem as the official person to tell you what is acceptable and not. Are you still programmed so much that you are waiting for someone to tell you what you should think? And I say that with all do respect as it's an easy trap to fall into considering what most of us have been put through.

I’m looking for your proof, not what you’ve been taught/or read. It’s become clear to me now that what I seek will not be found in this discussion. So I’ll respectfully retract the questions if this is all you have to offer. What’s acceptable (to me) is the deeds performed by these people. A great waste of gifts/talent is not acceptable, imo. I’m not programmed at all, My views are my own, I don’t need books/ authors to manipulate my views of the world. It is why I ask you for your views.... and not what someone else was able to get you to think.





The only information I can verify from Dr. Boylan is his topic on Star Seeds and their characteristics and that is all I have been discussing. I'm able to do this because I can use myself as a physical example, something that is tangible. I have no idea about the rest of what he studies or discusses. So it would be unfair of me to judge him as I have nothing to base on whether what he says is true or not regarding the rest of his work. I am very aware that he is not favored by all.

It is no one’s place to judge anyone but it is all of our place to seek clarity.

Additionally the material you gave links to covers "subjective material" I'm surprised that you would consider using that to make your case since you do not seem to believe in "subjective" personal experiences as it does not give you the physical proof your seek. So I have to ask, why is ok. to use it to prove your point/ case? Who is Phillip Ledoux and why is his information credible? Where's his physical proof? What is he basing his decision on?

I’m not making attempts to prove anything, just pointing out credibility issues in the person you posted.

None of the links you've provided have anything to do with Star Seeds and their charcteristics. Anybody can say anybody is a disinfo agent. What we have been discussing here are Star Seeds and whether they exist or not, not Planet X, etc.

Correct. However, I don’t like to pick and choose what material to use when using someone as a source. If any of his/her material doesn’t fit my beliefs/research... it is in my opinion to look elsewhere for that stability. If I put out a book I will make sure what I put out can be proven and if that book is about the importance of humanity/ life urgencies it would most likely be free. There is always other means to making money, Knowledge and wisdom is supposed to be free and for the most part real knowledge still is, however, people still feel the need to buy lies all the time.

Probably the most solid resource I gave you is Dr. Mandelker, in which I'm assuming you have not read his books. He's credentialed in a 3D sense, meaning he's educated in the field he is studying and writing about. He has specifically studied Star Seeds in great depth, probably more than anyone else from what I can see, though it's possible there are others I haven't come across yet. I recommend you look at his credentials if you haven't all ready. He has put a great amount of time into the varying topics from the alternative community. So when you look at what Boylan, Mandelker and Starr are saying, there is much similarity to what they speak of in regards to Star Seeds. Just because I can't confirm the rest of their information one way or another does not make all their material inaccurate. A lot of what they cover is subjective material so you are not going to see the type of proof you seek. In fact, now that I think about it, the Star Seed information is probably the most provable based on the characteristics. I cannot tell you where we all come from, all I can tell you are the characteristics match.

Have you ever considered that all these people could be in it together and are a part of the Cabal/illuminate/tptb? Seeing how many of them say the same things but oddly cannot prove what they claim, yet ask for a fee. I’m not saying they are wrong or right. I’m saying some people in this world are more aware of the manipulators than others. The only people I’ve seen get offended (or confused) from others requesting certain info/validation are the ones with either something to hide or those that just can’t prove what they believe.

The reason you find my remarks above as odd is becausing you're looking at the situation with a 3D perspective and you have to step outside of that to understand...Realities outside of 3D are not necessarily tangible, meaning they exist, but you cannot see them in 3D and therefore they do not follow the laws that govern 3D existence. There's probably a better way of explaining and I'm just not presenting in a manner that resonates with you. How you think controls the reality you're in...so if you think nothing exists because you physically can't see it touch it feel it, etc....and you keep putting those expectation on everything, you will have a hard time stepping out of a 3D reality into another. The suffering is increasing and for a reason...it has to be so in your face in order for people to get it...it's a tool! And that is what people do not understand yet because they're looking at it from a 3D perspective!

I know I can change my reality by focusing my intentions from within, I know all forms of matter is pure energy/thoughts/frequencies; I know energy can’t be created nor destroyed, but molded. I know what you put out comes back. I know collectively we made everything we see, so knowing this...I’m feeling compelled to repost a section from one of my previous posts: Are you speaking from a 4D/5D perspective? I didn’t realize someone could do this, especially when they still reside in 3D. What’s it like in the realm you’re speaking from? I’m curious because I really don’t follow the unconfirmed teachings of others. Instead, I rather go through life dealing with reality and expand my awareness by handling actual issues. How are you able to leave 3D, and at the same time feel comfortable ignoring the issues that actually exist in 3D? What does it look like from the other dimensions you speak of? We/I speak from a 3D perspective because we ARE STILL IN 3D. So, can you please elaborate by answering these questions? thanks



I have to disagree. This transition is about personal responsibility, not being responsible for eachother. Sure we should be kind to one another, but it's more about being responsible for one's actions, not waiting for someone else to do or think for them. We're not advancing because we're being surpressed, and we're being surpressed because we were lazy and not willing to take personal responsibilty, but instead, left it for someone else to handle.

I agree, but after the self is realized... service to others has to come in to play in order for the species to prosper. You can’t help others if you can’t help yourself first. And you can't achive real happiness if everyone else seems to be suffering.

As far as your last question I all ready answered in my post #58 at the bottom, you probably just missed it. I have no idea where I come from, so I have nothing to offer you as far as information, wish I could...the only inkling I have is that I'm possibly from Sirius, that is where my "subconscious" seems to lead me. So when I say that, I don't have a mental picture as a memory, like what you're accustomed to considering to be a memory, I only have an "emotion" as a memory. All memories do not come as pictures, but you have to research reincarnation to understand more clearly and I'm not going to take it there in depth on this thread. Hope I make sense, it's late so I'm outta here! Will run spell check tomorrow.

Ok, this helped a bit, now we are getting somewhere. Do you believe “Sirius” is what you were told it is? Do you believe the stars are exactly what we were told they are?

Star Seed characteristics cannot be found in all people.

With all due respect. What you have presented is not really proof, its opinions from people making profits from selling books. I was thinking about adding the rest of your post but figured it would be too long to add so I just added the top, and yes I have met a few people with some of these same characteristics (and the others within that post). Some of them have never displayed any of these signs until later in their life…why the delays? I don’t know. But, that fact leads me to believe these are signs of awakenings and nothing more. Perhaps the universe is placing more like minded (or awakened) people in my path, that could be the reason why I see more of these characteristics in people than you have, idk. Whatever the case may be, this is nothing new to me or my observations. You laid out your opinions and the opinions of others describing what you believe to be star seeds. However, you did not provide a source of confirmation… just people selling books. I can’t even see/read anything about the work these Starseeds have done, just speculations that are as genuine as “rumourmill”. If you go into "Barnes and Nobles" book store you will see a whole section for “New Age” material. Much of it is rehashed info and is highly subjective. I’m looking for the FACTS with substance attached to it... not the ones that make you feel like what you’re reading could be real…

The reason I’ve posted those links is to show you the credibility status of those people. Speaking for myself…I just can’t put much stock in anyone who offers a whole lot of information but I only can trust some of it, that’s just not a good practice,imo. In this field, if you have something very important and life altering that needs to be shared… that message will be received better if it came from the heart. I rarely take serious the ones who give out this information for a fee, especially when the information can’t be validated. I’m not into wasting time cross examining everyone’s record/theories/claims, I’m more interested in what these people are going to do and not so much what/who they think they are. Action speaks louder than words.

this is why you look within, and it is through my own personal experiences that I'm comfortable in embracing the Star Seed identity. It wouldn't matter what they wanted to call us...it's meant to be used as a frame of reference, not as an ego boost that someone is better than another. There are differences in people; love it or hate which is why names are used to identify these differences, otherwise how would we differentiate? Personally from all I've read and experienced I would considered Star Seeds to be a subculture of the human race.

yes, I look within everyday a few times a day for many reasons. However, when pondering this particular subject what comes to my mind is exactly what I’ve been posting. So repeating that I should keep looking within is doing nothing for either of us at the moment, what I write is what came from within. So, it is either you or I that isn’t looking deep enough. But, to be truthful... it doesn’t really matter because the answers I seek I know you can answer them, I’m just not sure if you understand what I’m asking, yet.


So,.... since I have listed many sources where I have received a lot of my information, I think it's only fair that you list your sources that are reinforcing what you believe, and I don't consider "rumormills" necessarily a solid source. If you cannot provide the same, than I can only presume what your saying as here-say, because I have nothing to base or even evaluate your source of information.

I read from a lot of different sources and I never follow another man’s/woman’s perspective, but advice and perspective is sometimes considered. I just like to see what and how others think, to see if their thinking is actually their own, or someone else’s. I choose to make my own reality and have been doing a great job with it thus far. Topics like this draw my skepticism because they make bold claims but hardly ever back them up with anything of substance...just extra speculative data.

I am more than happy to answer questions, but I'm going to start asking people more and more that they provide just as much proof to the claims being made that are shaping their beliefs and opinions.

All of your proof is coming from what you read in the books of others. This is really not your proof, but merely your agreement to what‘s read involving the opinions of authors detailing what THEY think some people are. Without these books you probably wouldn’t be posting what you’re posting, as of now it just looks like you are spreading their information for them. If you want to give me something to ponder, give me something that will assist me in considering your perspective…. I would appreciate that you answer the questions I’ve left open for you. *Reposting* where do you see this world a year from now”? Can you provide me some detail to the home/planet/nebula/dimension/ you think you are from, what does it look like? These answers can give me further insight. I want to see if your original world has any of the flawed physics and misleading scientific theories we were taught to describe the cosmos. If these answers cannot be put into your own words then all that you have provided is details from other sources...their accounts.

To summerize, I just think these "StarSeeds" are just humans/people awakening to their godly self. Everyone here has the potential to be what you claim to be. They just need to go through certain trigger stages in life.

I can no longer accept answers such as "I just read it somewhere." Give me the respect of providing the very same proof that you ask and expect of me.

I agree that you should do this. Question everything. We/ humans are in the predicament they are in now because they so readily believe in those they can’t trust. I’m very adamant when it comes to such things; I’m not a person that believes others just because they were blindly placed on pedestals. The truth always wants to be seen, the truth is a part of who we are. When truth has a hard time being revealed it is most likely a fabrication and not the actual truth. This is why I consider many alternative views to be false. Many I believe are carefully crafted disractions to further divide the masses. We almost always have a hard time proven them to be true or false, but we can't deny how distracting they are. In the end, the importance of the matter is actually slim to none.


Peace

[we-R-one]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
[Hi we-R-one,

I saw Dan Burisch's interviews. It answered my question somewhat - genetic vs. energetic. The retired member implied she was reptilian and other times told stories of her abductions. The explanation was never complete for me.

Specifically, I'm one of eight kids. I was told I am of Andromeda planetary origin, and when I researched the characteristics, it explained some things. (Click here for approximately ten star groups.)

Yes, I did see this thread, but I'm glad you posted here. I've always "felt" I could be from Sirius, and when I came across this information, I found the description of someone from Sirius to be very similar to myself, probably in the same way you did as being from Andromedan.

The question: what makes me an Andromedan and my siblings not? If genetics is the answer and my parents are a genetic soup of starseeds, then I happened to have greater number of Andromedian genes? Which makes me different.

How do you know your siblings aren't from Andromedan? Because you're awake and they're not? Just trying to understand....It could be that you are more advanced in your soul evolution. Additionally, I don't think you're siblings here on earth have to necessarily be your true siblings from Andromedan as you have soul contracts that involve others.

So here's my thinking:

Humans are a genetic mix of star seeds. That's what makes this planet unique and valued in the Universe. The psychology of individuals is based on genetic make-up. So personalities, desires and outlooks differ in the Collective.

All on the planet are Star Seeds and will awaken. There are some that have a greater potential to awaken sooner because of life experience and wisdoms from other Star lives. They are older Souls. The ones who volunteered. Their Souls entered via conception/birth to assist in awakening, and/or job specific to Mother Earth and her children.

In short, all of us are here to remember we are from Star Families, and ARE with purpose. Some volunteers, i.e. Starseeds, Indigos, Crystal, Rainbow...are here to jump-start that recall.

What do you think, we-R-one? I'd add that the souls that come in at conception/birth are not to be confused with walk-ins, nor the entities that take over a body.

Thanks in advance,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Hi WCBD,

I answered a couple of your questions above in blue and then answered/commented on the rest of what you had to say below.

Yes, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. This is similar to what I have begun to understand. Is it true or not?...well of course that's the million dollar question. I've also been told that souls make contracts with one another before they come down here, so you don't necessarily have to be from the same family to have a contract; you could be from the same soul group, but even that I don't believe is a pre-requisite. Of course there's no tangible evidence in a 3D sense that I'm aware of, but for one's who have put a lot of time into these kind of topics such as Dr. Walter Semkiw and Kevin Ryerson, they would have a more expert opinion of this than myself. See their work here if you haven't all ready.

This talk of soul groups reminds me of someone I met within the patriot movement who I had worked closely with....what's funny is he approached me with his thoughts and what he was feeling, not the other way around, which if you knew me you would have thought it would have been the other way around..... and I confirmed that I had been thinking the same.....we both felt and recognized that we knew eachother from a previous time, as there was a very comfortable energy between us. Now this person is not someone who is completely awaken on the spiritual end. A lot of patriots I find are awakening that something is wrong within the 3D world, but once awakened to that fact, they don't know where to go from there.....so they basically haven't gotten to the next step in regards to the spiritual aspect. I'm merely pointing this out because for this guy to discuss a connection with me is quite interesting as at the time, we were just beginning to work together. When I had my last reading done with Kevin Ryerson, I did inquire about this person and actually found out that yes, I knew him in my lifetime as Marie R. Stuart....his name was Jacque. I could kick myself for not asking if he was from the same soul group, but it was towards the very end of the call and I was trying to cram in as much as I could. My best guess is a "yes" due to our feelings of having a past connection. You see some souls make such an impact on you that you never forget, and I would not be the least surprised if this soul has carried on with me in several lives as the familiarity in his demeanor was immediately recognized and welcomed.

I do think we are all from somewhere else as once you understand consciousness, you realize the possibilities are available to all and not a select few. There are Star Seeds that are more advanced and older souls like what you mentioned. It makes sense to me as we cannot all be at the same level as the "game" wouldn't work based on all that I have come to know. You can tell the difference, well, at least I think I can, between a younger Star Seed and an older one, due to their level of spiritual knowledge, where they're at in their growth and the activities they involve themselves with. All roles of varying levels are needed, I just see it as an evolution process where some will interpret it that another considers themselves superior over another. I also believe you have advanced souls playing dark roles....because in the game of duality someone has to fill those shoes which is why judgment needs to be curtailed even on the most apparent evil souls because you don't know who's playing what role. Again, if all souls were on the same level you would most likely create a polarized effect and the ability to learn and grown would somewhat be curtailed.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
"I just see it as an evolution process where some will interpret it that another considers themselves superior over another.

Hello we-R-one,

I'd say you've confirmed all that I understand the world to be and its perplexity in relationships. Be it through karmic contracts, soul groups, or StarSeeds, etc. In the end, it’s about human beings assisting human beings along the journey.

This sentence jumped out at me: "I just see it as an evolution process where some will interpret it that another considers themselves superior over another."

Yes, other’s blinds spots are obvious to those that see from the greater perspective. I’m still learning patience. Those that push my buttons, also push my growth. But those that push my button that are of the illusion of "greater than"? Well, I just shake my head and sit with a mocha cappuccino.

I find myself embarrassed for them. I want to toss out a life jacket. Though sometimes, I’m relieving my own discomfort. Which prevents the other a chance for real growth. A real ah-ha! moment and the lesson comes full circle.

The Wisdom Way: balance of who, what, when, why and how much to assist.

Thank you for the extensive and informative post.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[we-R-one]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Hi, We-R-One, thanks for the healthy dialogue. Your rcomments are in bold and underlined.

You see, you are giving me the impression that no proof will satisfy you. So I have to ask another question that you never answered - What kind of proof are you looking for? Who do you deem as the official person to tell you what is acceptable and not. Are you still programmed so much that you are waiting for someone to tell you what you should think? And I say that with all do respect as it's an easy trap to fall into considering what most of us have been put through.

I’m looking for your proof, not what you’ve been taught/or read. It’s become clear to me now that what I seek will not be found in this discussion. So I’ll respectfully retract the questions if this is all you have to offer. What’s acceptable (to me) is the deeds performed by these people. A great waste of gifts/talent is not acceptable, imo. I’m not programmed at all, My views are my own, I don’t need books/ authors to manipulate my views of the world. It is why I ask you for your views.... and not what someone else was able to get you to think.

The proof you seek is impossible to demonstrate as it's subjective. Let's not revisit that as I have all ready explained as have others why you cannot always "prove" subjective material. Let me ask this, do you have dreams at night after you fall asleep? Of course you do! Can you prove it me? I can't see your dreams...(well actually, I have been able to pick up on others close to me, lol, but that's another story in itself). The point being, you know dreams are true because you've experienced them yourself as have the collective mass. It's no different for those of us who have metaphysical experiences. We know they exist, but it's difficult to prove to someone who's not around us on a daily basis. Metaphysical deals with the use of energy, which you cannot see, and yet you know energy exists.

What I've been taught and read has given me a vocabulary and frame of reference to verify what I all ready know to be true via my experiences. I use references and vocabulary from others, as there is no point in me re-inventing the wheel. What I have submitted on this thread is what I believe to be true, based on my own personal experiences not a manipulation of what another wants me to think. As I have told you before and maybe you missed this point....I didn't read this stuff and then "become it"......I was all ready living it, and then read about it, hence giving me the verification and frame of reference to what I all ready knew to be true.

So I think this clearly invalidates your assumption that I'm being manipulated by another's work. If something is true, don't you think a lot of us are going to be saying/believing the same thing? LOL Which is why I'm posting sources who are saying the same as myself, they have come to the same conclusion.

The proof is there, whether you choose to believe it or not, is your choice. I share detailed information about myself, so others can observe my experiences and decide for themselves. I consider myself to be in the perfect position....you know why? Because I'm not profiting off of any of this information, this is authentic as you can get with no basis to accuse me of selling out. The only thing I see myself doing in the future is putting a book together, which I have started, sharing my story of what it's like to have a spiritual awakening so that others too, can have that frame of reference to recognize their own. It's a documentation of a movement taking place here during this time period. Where that endeavor takes me is unknown at this point, but the intention is to share with all for educational purposes not necessarily profit. If expenses begin to incur, like anyone, unless I have a sponsor, I will be forced to charge for my time as I'm not independently wealthy and anyone with common sense understands you cannot take on certain tasks without a cost being involved.

Additionally the material you gave links to covers "subjective material" I'm surprised that you would consider using that to make your case since you do not seem to believe in "subjective" personal experiences as it does not give you the physical proof your seek. So I have to ask, why is ok. to use it to prove your point/ case? Who is Phillip Ledoux and why is his information credible? Where's his physical proof? What is he basing his decision on?

I’m not making attempts to prove anything, just pointing out credibility issues in the person you posted.

Ok, I understand where you're coming from, but then you also have to hold yourself accountable in the same fashion. One has to ask themselves what makes your links even credible? How do any of us know these sources are verifiable? Because what you're doing is questioning another's credibility with a source that might have the same credibility issue. So I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but it is something to be noted.


However, I don’t like to pick and choose what material to use when using someone as a source. If any of his/her material doesn’t fit my beliefs/research... it is in my opinion to look elsewhere for that stability. If I put out a book I will make sure what I put out can be proven and if that book is about the importance of humanity/ life urgencies it would most likely be free. There is always other means to making money, Knowledge and wisdom is supposed to be free and for the most part real knowledge still is, however, people still feel the need to buy lies all the time.

Ok, but then you still haven't answered the question, what do you consider to be proof? You cannot retract the question and then state you would only publish a book that can be proven! You have an expectation that people have to show proof and yet you can't tell me what that proof needs to be and in what context! This sounds silly to me....... What one person considers proof you may not....that does not always negate the accuracy of the information. You cannot put that expetation on others and not hold yourself accountable in the same fashion of what you're asking.

Just because you want to do it this way doesn't make it the only way. Do you have any idea what it costs to publish a book? Most people don't have the means to fund such a project. You could do it as an e-book fairly inexpensively, but if the point is to reach the masses, you cannot necessarily take this route. Plus you have to take the reader's expectation into consideration....If you want them to read your work, you have to make it appealing and interesting to the audience, otherwise it won't sell and this can cost money!

Probably the most solid resource I gave you is Dr. Mandelker, in which I'm assuming you have not read his books. He's credentialed in a 3D sense, meaning he's educated in the field he is studying and writing about. He has specifically studied Star Seeds in great depth, probably more than anyone else from what I can see, though it's possible there are others I haven't come across yet. I recommend you look at his credentials if you haven't all ready. He has put a great amount of time into the varying topics from the alternative community. So when you look at what Boylan, Mandelker and Starr are saying, there is much similarity to what they speak of in regards to Star Seeds. Just because I can't confirm the rest of their information one way or another does not make all their material inaccurate. A lot of what they cover is subjective material so you are not going to see the type of proof you seek. In fact, now that I think about it, the Star Seed information is probably the most provable based on the characteristics. I cannot tell you where we all come from, all I can tell you are the characteristics match.

Have you ever considered that all these people could be in it together and are a part of the Cabal/illuminate/tptb? NO! You know why? I'll say it again, BECAUSE I'M LIVING WHAT THEY'RE DESCRIBING. SO A PERSON WITH COMMON SENSE HAS TO ASK THEMSELVES IF WHAT IS BEING DESCRIBED ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS IS REFLECTING WHAT THEY'RE LIVING, THAN THAT SAYS THERE COULD BE SOME TRUTH TO WHAT'S BEING SAID. Seeing how many of them say the same things but oddly cannot prove what they claim, yet ask for a fee. I’m not saying they are wrong or right. I’m saying some people in this world are more aware of the manipulators than others. The only people I’ve seen get offended (or confused) from others requesting certain info/validation are the ones with either something to hide or those that just can’t prove what they believe. YOU CANNOT KEEP ASKING FOR THIS EXPECTATION IF YOU CANNOT CLARIFY WHAT YOU THINK IS ACCEPTABLE PROOF AND WHO IS TO PROVIDE THIS PROOF!

The reason you find my remarks above as odd is becausing you're looking at the situation with a 3D perspective and you have to step outside of that to understand...Realities outside of 3D are not necessarily tangible, meaning they exist, but you cannot see them in 3D and therefore they do not follow the laws that govern 3D existence. There's probably a better way of explaining and I'm just not presenting in a manner that resonates with you. How you think controls the reality you're in...so if you think nothing exists because you physically can't see it touch it feel it, etc....and you keep putting those expectation on everything, you will have a hard time stepping out of a 3D reality into another. The suffering is increasing and for a reason...it has to be so in your face in order for people to get it...it's a tool! And that is what people do not understand yet because they're looking at it from a 3D perspective!

I know I can change my reality by focusing my intentions from within, I know all forms of matter is pure energy/thoughts/frequencies; I know energy can’t be created nor destroyed, but molded. IF you know this than why are you asking for proof of metaphysical abilities when it is a form of "molding" energy as you have stated????? I know what you put out comes back. I know collectively we made everything we see, so knowing this...I’m feeling compelled to repost a section from one of my previous posts: Are you speaking from a 4D/5D perspective? I didn’t realize someone could do this, especially when they still reside in 3D. What’s it like in the realm you’re speaking from? I’m curious because I really don’t follow the unconfirmed teachings of others. Instead, I rather go through life dealing with reality and expand my awareness by handling actual issues. How are you able to leave 3D, and at the same time feel comfortable ignoring the issues that actually exist in 3D? What does it look like from the other dimensions you speak of? We/I speak from a 3D perspective because we ARE STILL IN 3D. So, can you please elaborate by answering these questions? thanks

I all ready answered this question. I'm not going to repost, please go back and re-read my response, I believe it's in post #58 and I describe it great detail. Take a look at my definition of dimension on the definition post too and there lies your answer. Going from one reality to another is merely going from one set of beliefs to another and that is the context in which I'm using the word dimension for this discussion, because when you know your intentions create your own reality as you posted above, you can easily begin to see how the power of intentions of a collective group can create a reality on a large scale, hense a dimension and the science is there to prove it, which might be an avenue you can explore. I'm not going to list references for you because I'm not going to guess what you deem to be proof. It is something you will have to explore on your own.

I have to disagree. This transition is about personal responsibility, not being responsible for eachother. Sure we should be kind to one another, but it's more about being responsible for one's actions, not waiting for someone else to do or think for them. We're not advancing because we're being surpressed, and we're being surpressed because we were lazy and not willing to take personal responsibilty, but instead, left it for someone else to handle.

I agree, but after the self is realized... service to others has to come in to play in order for the species to prosper. You can’t help others if you can’t help yourself first. And you can't achive real happiness if everyone else seems to be suffering.

It depends on how you define the word and expectations of "prosper". To answer this comment I would refer you back to the definitions page and watch the Holographic Universe video. Then if you don't believe the video, take the time to look into the science of what is being claimed on that video. Because the opposite of what you say is true, based on the principles of a Holographic Universe. You know that your intentions create your own reality right? So if they do...what you put out into the enegry field is going to affect others. So if you achieve happiness that higher frequency that is created is what's put into the energy field which then is reflected back. By focusing on yourself in a positive manner to achieve happiness, you're helping those who suffer. When enough on a mass scale understand this, it is then you will see a reality shift which is what is happening now. This will be further discussed in "the solution".

I'm going to stop here and come back with a separate post as this is getting way too long. Forgive typos and spelling errors, I will come back later and edit

Hi Peace,

My answers are in blue, I hope this works for you... trying to make it easier for the reader to follow.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Hi, We-R-One, thanks for the healthy dialogue. Your rcomments are in bold and underlined.

As far as your last question I all ready answered in my post #58 at the bottom, you probably just missed it. I have no idea where I come from, so I have nothing to offer you as far as information, wish I could...the only inkling I have is that I'm possibly from Sirius, that is where my "subconscious" seems to lead me. So when I say that, I don't have a mental picture as a memory, like what you're accustomed to considering to be a memory, I only have an "emotion" as a memory. All memories do not come as pictures, but you have to research reincarnation to understand more clearly and I'm not going to take it there in depth on this thread. Hope I make sense, it's late so I'm outta here!

Ok, this helped a bit, now we are getting somewhere. Do you believe “Sirius” is what you were told it is? Do you believe the stars are exactly what we were told they are?

No one has never told me what Sirius is other than a planet. Not sure if that's what you're asking? No idea about the stars, and I don't make any claims to know.

With all due respect. What you have presented is not really proof, its opinions from people making profits from selling books. I've answered this a 100 times.....what do you not understand? Please reconsider your questions. I'm more than happy to answer whatever I can, but you are spinning circles here asking me the same thing over again. I just answered this question in my previous post to you. Please read that for your answer. MY PHYSICAL EXPERIENCES ARE MY PROOF, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! I was thinking about adding the rest of your post but figured it would be too long to add so I just added the top, and yes I have met a few people with some of these same characteristics (and the others within that post). Some of them have never displayed any of these signs until later in their life…why the delays? I would suspect that everyone is going to evolve differently. We are not all going to have the same abilities and we are not all going to wake up at the same time. I also believe as I've said before, you have souls at different levels which could account for the variances. I don’t know. But, that fact leads me to believe these are signs of awakenings and nothing more. Perhaps the universe is placing more like minded (or awakened) people in my path, that could be the reason why I see more of these characteristics in people than you have, idk. Whatever the case may be, this is nothing new to me or my observations. You laid out your opinions and the opinions of others describing what you believe to be star seeds. However, you did not provide a source of confirmation… I DID PROVIDE A SOURCE OF CONFIRMATION! YOU ARE CHOOSING NOT TO SEE IT. THE SOURCE IS MYSELF! IS THAT NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR THE TRUTH? TO LOOK WITHIN? AGAIN, REPEAT QUESTION THAT HAS ALL READY BEEN ANSWERED........just people selling books. I can’t even see/read anything about the work these Starseeds have done, just speculations that are as genuine as “rumourmill”. If you go into "Barnes and Nobles" book store you will see a whole section for “New Age” material. Much of it is rehashed info and is highly subjective. I’m looking for the FACTS with substance attached to it... not the ones that make you feel like what you’re reading could be real… AGAIN YOUR FRUSTRATION LIES IN THE FACT THAT YOU WON'T IDENTIFY WHAT KIND OF PROOF YOU CONSIDER TO BE ACCEPTABLE. THERE IS PROOF OUT THERE; I HAVE USED MYSELF AS PROOF FOR OTHERS, THERE ARE BOOKS WITH STUDIES SUCH AS THE ONES DONE BY DR. SCOTT MANDELKER THAT CAN BE ACCESSED. UNTIL YOU DEFINE WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE PROOF YOU WILL NEVER FIND AN ANSWER THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.

The reason I’ve posted those links is to show you the credibility status of those people. Speaking for myself…I just can’t put much stock in anyone who offers a whole lot of information but I only can trust some of it, that’s just not a good practice,imo. YOU ARE MISSING THE EXPERIENCES I HAVE SHARED THAT MATCH WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. JUST BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPEND TO YOU , DOES NOT NEGATE THE INFORMATION. In this field, if you have something very important and life altering that needs to be shared… that message will be received better if it came from the heart. I'VE GIVEN YOU MY INFORMATION FROM THE HEART AND IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT YOU DO NOT ACCEPT WHAT I HAVE SAID. MY EXPERIENCES ARE FROM THE HEART.

I am more than happy to answer questions, but I'm going to start asking people more and more that they provide just as much proof to the claims being made that are shaping their beliefs and opinions.

All of your proof is coming from what you read in the books of others. A BIG N-O TO THIS COMMENT AS I THINK I'VE COVERED THIS SEVERAL TIMES! This is really not your proof, but merely your agreement to what‘s read involving the opinions of authors detailing what THEY think some people are. Without these books you probably wouldn’t be posting what you’re posting, as of now it just looks like you are spreading their information for them. WHAT YOUR MISSING IS THE BOOKS GAVE ME A VOCABULARY AND FRAME OF REFERENCE TO WHAT I WAS ALL READY EXPERIENCING. GO BACK TO THE STORY OF THE SHAWMAN IN THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE VIDEO If you want to give me something to ponder, give me something that will assist me in considering your perspective…. I would appreciate that you answer the questions I’ve left open for you. *Reposting* where do you see this world a year from now”? Can you provide me some detail to the home/planet/nebula/dimension/ you think you are from, what does it look like? These answers can give me further insight. I want to see if your original world has any of the flawed physics and misleading scientific theories we were taught to describe the cosmos. If these answers cannot be put into your own words then all that you have provided is details from other sources...their accounts. Answered this all ready.

Ello! Continuation of questions being answered. As usual I'm posting my answers in BLUE. I'm starting to bold some of my responses not because I'm shouting, but I feel like I'm sounding like "Rain Man" as I'm having to repeat answers over and over again that I've all ready responded to. I thought by bolding the response it might stand out better. I realize we are covering a lot of information and some things can be overlooked. So Peace from this point forward, if you ask me the same thing over, I'm not going to respond.

[RunningDeer]

The sound of one hand clapping.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=heAw4z71lvo

[we-R-one]

Thanks Paula! Heck I won't have to put much effort in my book, I can just use what I've typed here, cause I feel like I'm writing a book and I'm sure it looks like I'm writing a book....lol.

[Spellbound]

Pardon me for poking my nose into this thread for a moment. I believe in reincarnation (though admittedly, I don't know much about it but I do believe the soul lives on after death of the physical body such that we are infinite beings). However, it's my understanding that only the physical body has actual DNA...not our souls. Now, I also believe that ET's shaped (or altered) our DNA over the years (possibly several times...and possibly several more times to come). However, I don't see how the human body can have DNA from a past life as the soul and the body are separate. Perhaps I'm missing the point here (and apologies if I am).

Dave - Toronto

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I have a bit of a definition on holographic multiverse from what i have experienced, here.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post536552

[Peace of Mind]

Fair enough, We-R-One.

The redundancy was to make sure I was reading you correctly, so please accept my gratitude for taking the time to respond to my post, sincerely.

I just wanted to be clear on how you’re leaving 3D/duality. Here’s what I’ve gather thus far. You view a given situation from a certain perspective, so the viewing of “said” situation from another perspective is your definition/belief of being in another/higher dimension, Am I right?

If so, I would like to think this is an example of expanding your consciousness/awareness withing this realm, not actually jumping through dimensions.

Can you describe the physical (not mental, not emotional) differences of these dimensions or is this higher dimension you speak of only a frame of mind/thinking and doesn’t have any real distinguishable differences from the known physicality’s of our 3D world. In short, what does the other dimensions look like? As of now, I’m getting the impression that we have conflicting views/definitions for the word “dimension”.

Also, regarding subjective material... one should always know that their unproven beliefs will be met with skepticism, so prepare accordingly if you feel the need to share something with an audience that hasn't had the same experiences. When you’re in public making claims, the public is going to want to know “how” and “why”. Only the naive/gullible will readily believe without proof, we see this every day. This Is something I want to stop because it has hurt all of us time and time again. If nothing has come out of this discussion, in the least it was a healthy exercise.

“Let me ask this, do you have dreams at night after you fall asleep? Of course you do!”

When I was younger I had plenty of dreams but since learning how to meditate I do not have dreams anymore, The last dream I can remember felt more like a vision (many years ago). I’ve mentioned this several times here in some of the “analyzing dream” topics. Since I meditate a lot my mind/subconscious is basically still during sleep cycles, there’s very little or nothing for me to contemplate due to earlier meditation sessions. If I dream, I have a very hard time remembering any of them.

“If something is true, don't you think a lot of us are going to be saying/believing the same thing? LOL Which is why I'm posting sources who are saying the same as myself, they have come to the same conclusion.”

Correct to a point, even more so if there’s an agenda attach to it. This is not to say you or any of the people you support is doing this, just pointing out how and why they would be saying the same thing. IMO, if something cannot be logically proven, then the potential for falsification and mind control has to be considered. The media is all about the world view, crafting the perception of reality is something the media (mainstream and alternative) is known to do...and almost always without the presence of facts. In most cases, this is done through blatant propaganda laced with emotional triggers to make the consumer/reader feel as if he/she is experiencing something real (even thou they can’t describe what they feel to be real). The Media has many tricks in persuasion, there’s a reason why so many are addicted to the teli and internet.


I still believe you’re describing " human spiritual awakenings", (like many are having). This is not in question; I'm merely looking for your description of the place you think you came from. If you claim to be from somewhere else (star seed) you should be able to describe what this someplace else looks like. I see Humans waking up to their powers, they are realizing they are more powerful than they originally thought, I just want to know why you think these “starseed” characteristics are not the characteristics of regular human evolution. As I said before the feeling of “not being from here” could be a yearning to go back to source, or the realization of how wrong we/humans have been living...therefore giving you the feeling of not belonging here.

“Ok, but then you still haven't answered the question, what do you consider to be proof? You cannot retract the question and then state you would only publish a book that can be proven! You have an expectation that people have to show proof and yet you can't tell me what that proof needs to be and in what context! This sounds silly to me....... What one person considers proof you may not....that does not always negate the accuracy of the information. You cannot put that expetation on others and not hold yourself accountable in the same fashion of what you're asking.”

Describe what your world looks like and not the attributes of an awakening soul? How do you know you came from the stars when you can’t describe how they/it looks? You keep giving me descriptions of what you think a star seed is and not what a star seeds home looks like; describe some of these origins in your own words.

Just because you want to do it this way doesn't make it the only way. Do you have any idea what it costs to publish a book? Most people don't have the means to fund such a project. You could do it as an e-book fairly inexpensively, but if the point is to reach the masses, you cannot necessarily take this route. Plus you have to take the reader's expectation into consideration....If you want them to read your work, you have to make it appealing and interesting to the audience, otherwise it won't sell and this can cost money!

I’m not into making money off of important life changing material such as the stuff discussed here. If you know you can create your own reality why not find other means for making money and just give out the important information for free instead of a fee? What about the many people who may need this important information but cannot afford it? If much of the stuff that is being peddled around in the alternative media is really that important... I don’t think it’s wise to have a price tag attach to it. So, Knowing that much of these alternative views are for sale, it is in my opinion that there is no real importance to them, I don’t see how you can profit for selling urgency....then again much of the claims of urgencies/predictions never happens, so I guess the false impressions were to ramp up sales and not to getting the (supposedly) important message out. This is a dilemma, and a serious problem within the alternative community.


No one has never told me what Sirius is other than a planet. Not sure if that's what you're asking? No idea about the stars, and I don't make any claims to know.

This comment was your closest definition/ answer to my questions. According to popular science “Sirius” is a star/system not a planet. According to “your memories” describe what your real home looks like?


In your opinion (or knowing) Where do you see this 3d world/reality a year from now?

your comments are bolded and underlined, and thanks again for your time and patience.

Peace

[we-R-one]

Posted by Spellbound (here)
Pardon me for poking my nose into this thread for a moment. I believe in reincarnation (though admittedly, I don't know much about it but I do believe the soul lives on after death of the physical body such that we are infinite beings). However, it's my understanding that only the physical body has actual DNA...not our souls. Now, I also believe that ET's shaped (or altered) our DNA over the years (possibly several times...and possibly several more times to come). However, I don't see how the human body can have DNA from a past life as the soul and the body are separate. Perhaps I'm missing the point here (and apologies if I am).


Dave - Toronto

Hi Dave,

I pretty much understand it like you, but I have no way of knowing if that is accurate or not. I was a little confused by what WCBD was asking, so it's possible I misunderstood her post. Hopefully she'll come back on and see your comments.

The part that I'm not clear on, which may have caused you some confusion, is that a Star Seeds genetic makeup, might have genes from an off-world parent.

Here's more information from a link I have all ready posted:

"Starseeds commonly have three parents, two Earth parents and one off-world parent. For example there can be an off-world father. In this case the Earth father will be the surrogate. There are also instances when a child has two or more off-world parents, each one contributing DNA to create the starseeded child. These are unique instances and more than I want to cover here.


There is a contract made between the earth parent and the off-world parent, for the earth parent to love and rear the starseed child. Many times the earth parent is a starseed as well.

The starseed child looks more like the surrogate earth parent to ensure that they are accepted by that parent at birth. In the majority of cases the off-world parent is not of human origin as the human species is the least prolific in our universe.

Starseeds are here on earth as representatives of their civilizations. Their purpose is to create templates that can be used by the members of their home world to overcome some problem that hinders their spiritual evolution as a soul group.

I am told that 144,000 civilizations have sent some of their people to earth as starseeds. These civilizations closely watch their beloved children while here on earth. The real parent, the starseed parent, is usually a guide for his child while that child is on earth. It is my understanding that this is why so many starseeds have experienced visitations from an early age. Their family on their home world uses many ways to communicate and maintain the connection and love bond with their family member on earth. This is also why so many civilizations have ships orbiting earth right now. They have family here and therefore have a vested interest in seeing that earth ascends."

SOURCE: Jelaila Starr
http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/starseeds.html

I have never seen additional elaboration on this topic, either on her site or anywhere else. I have no idea if it's true or not. All I can tell you is one of the descriptions of a Star seed is:

The majority of starseeds have the facial shape of their mother but the remainder of their physical body is like that of their fathers, or the other way around depending on which parent is the real parent, the starseed parent from off planet. This is done for a reason.

The reason I pay attention to what she's saying with interest is because she has described myself in great detail down to specific situations I have found myself to be in, which I posted earlier in this thread. So common sense would elude one to the fact that there may be some truth in all this. Hope this helps,

[RunningDeer]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Spellbound (here)
Pardon me for poking my nose into this thread for a moment. I believe in reincarnation (though admittedly, I don't know much about it but I do believe the soul lives on after death of the physical body such that we are infinite beings). However, it's my understanding that only the physical body has actual DNA...not our souls. Now, I also believe that ET's shaped (or altered) our DNA over the years (possibly several times...and possibly several more times to come). However, I don't see how the human body can have DNA from a past life as the soul and the body are separate. Perhaps I'm missing the point here (and apologies if I am).


Dave - Toronto

Hi Dave,

I pretty much understand it like you, but I have no way of knowing if that is accurate or not. I was a little confused by what WCBD was asking, so it's possible I misunderstood her post. Hopefully she'll come back on and see your comments.

Genetics/DNA is form, soul is not. We three agree. Thanks for the input, Dave from Toronto.

The reason I pay attention to what she's saying with interest is because she has described myself in great detail down to specific situations I have found myself to be in, which I posted earlier in this thread. So common sense would elude one to the fact that there may be some truth in all this. Hope this helps,

I should find another way to say ‘thank you’, we-R-one, because I keep repeating myself. Hiccup. ("What does that even mean?" as she drives off for some Ben & Jerry's ice cream.)

Toodles,
All ya!

.......................... .....Going, going, gone ..........................................

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Ben and jerrys is evil! Especially the maple tree hugger! Ugh! I still have some stuck to my tummy lol

[Spellbound]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

Posted by Spellbound (here)
Pardon me for poking my nose into this thread for a moment. I believe in reincarnation (though admittedly, I don't know much about it but I do believe the soul lives on after death of the physical body such that we are infinite beings). However, it's my understanding that only the physical body has actual DNA...not our souls. Now, I also believe that ET's shaped (or altered) our DNA over the years (possibly several times...and possibly several more times to come). However, I don't see how the human body can have DNA from a past life as the soul and the body are separate. Perhaps I'm missing the point here (and apologies if I am).


Dave - Toronto

Hi Dave,

I pretty much understand it like you, but I have no way of knowing if that is accurate or not. I was a little confused by what WCBD was asking, so it's possible I misunderstood her post. Hopefully she'll come back on and see your comments.

The part that I'm not clear on, which may have caused you some confusion, is that a Star Seeds genetic makeup, might have genes from an off-world parent.

Here's more information from a link I have all ready posted:

"Starseeds commonly have three parents, two Earth parents and one off-world parent. For example there can be an off-world father. In this case the Earth father will be the surrogate. There are also instances when a child has two or more off-world parents, each one contributing DNA to create the starseeded child. These are unique instances and more than I want to cover here.


There is a contract made between the earth parent and the off-world parent, for the earth parent to love and rear the starseed child. Many times the earth parent is a starseed as well.

The starseed child looks more like the surrogate earth parent to ensure that they are accepted by that parent at birth. In the majority of cases the off-world parent is not of human origin as the human species is the least prolific in our universe.

Starseeds are here on earth as representatives of their civilizations. Their purpose is to create templates that can be used by the members of their home world to overcome some problem that hinders their spiritual evolution as a soul group.

I am told that 144,000 civilizations have sent some of their people to earth as starseeds. These civilizations closely watch their beloved children while here on earth. The real parent, the starseed parent, is usually a guide for his child while that child is on earth. It is my understanding that this is why so many starseeds have experienced visitations from an early age. Their family on their home world uses many ways to communicate and maintain the connection and love bond with their family member on earth. This is also why so many civilizations have ships orbiting earth right now. They have family here and therefore have a vested interest in seeing that earth ascends."

SOURCE: Jelaila Starr
http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/starseeds.html

I have never seen additional elaboration on this topic, either on her site or anywhere else. I have no idea if it's true or not. All I can tell you is one of the descriptions of a Star seed is:

The majority of starseeds have the facial shape of their mother but the remainder of their physical body is like that of their fathers, or the other way around depending on which parent is the real parent, the starseed parent from off planet. This is done for a reason.

The reason I pay attention to what she's saying with interest is because she has described myself in great detail down to specific situations I have found myself to be in, which I posted earlier in this thread. So common sense would elude one to the fact that there may be some truth in all this. Hope this helps,

Hello again,

Are you referring to someone who is abducted and then is mated with an ET during abduction?? I do believe that to be happening (for quite some time now). That's the only way I can understand a human having alien DNA, starseed, etc.. I do believe there is some sort of hybridization going on (which is only natural when you think about it). Whether it be ET sperm impregnating human eggs...or vice versa....that is the only way I can grasp the concept of a starseed. However, to say that one currently has alien DNA as a result of a past life....I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. Not meaning to offend anyone....I just don't believe a soul can transfer DNA from one physical body (and lifetime) to another. However, as I said, I definitely believe that ET/human hybridization is under way.

Dave - Toronto

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Posted by Spellbound (here)
Hello again,

Are you referring to someone who is abducted and then is mated with an ET during abduction?? I do believe that to be happening (for quite some time now). That's the only way I can understand a human having alien DNA, starseed, etc.. I do believe there is some sort of hybridization going on (which is only natural when you think about it). Whether it be ET sperm impregnating human eggs...or vice versa....that is the only way I can grasp the concept of a starseed. However, to say that one currently has alien DNA as a result of a past life....I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. Not meaning to offend anyone....I just don't believe a soul can transfer DNA from one physical body (and lifetime) to another. However, as I said, I definitely believe that ET/human hybridization is under way.

Dave - Toronto

I don't think that's necessarily what Jelaila is saying, it seems like she goes beyond that. You might email her and ask for clarification. I can tell you my mother claims she was abducted, but that was after I was born. So if there was any genetic manipulation I have no idea when that would have happend or even how. I always say, "just because I don't know about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist....I believe just about anything is possible.....She also worked within government programs that had affiliations with alien contact to the best of my knowledge, but again, this was after I was born, and yes she's a Star Seed.

I have no idea whether the above information is correct or not, but you wanna know something weird......my brother decided to play a trick on my mom(biological)...he called her and said in a real stern voice, "this is the commander!" In which she responded, "yes commander" in a feable voice.....He believed, that she really thought he was Ashtar, The Commander contacting her via phone, as she had mentioned having contact with this person in the past! Now it sounds really funny and all, and of course my brother got a big charge out of it, but the fact that she was so serious....raises eyebrows, as if she has had contact with this person before and was not even the least bit surprised that he was contacting her!

So because I was adopted, I have nothing to go on other than what my brother has told me. Both of us believe our mother knows more and she has remained tight lipped instead of divulging any additional information.

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Memories define who we are. How to identify oneself depends on how to interpret own past memories. After all what we'll carry on is only the memories of this given life. There are four types of starseed on Earth:
Human body with ET soul
Human body with human soul and walk-in ET soul
ET and human hybrid body with ET soul
A Humanoid ET that lives among people.
Also various non-human entities' soul born as humans to do what they plan.

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Posted by we-R-one (here)
The majority of starseeds have the facial shape of their mother but the remainder of their physical body is like that of their fathers, or the other way around depending on which parent is the real parent, the starseed parent from off planet. This is done for a reason.

Well, at least I can confirm this.

I have recently learned that my mother is my soul guide, but of course I have always "known" that in my heart. She is the only one in my family that I have had a deep soul connection so I suspect that she too might be a starseed.

Usually I don't like labeling things, but this "starseed thing" has given a whole new purpose to my life. It has been over a year since I discovered myself through the Law of One and I've been awake almost for three years now. My current incarnation has had it quite rough, to put it mildly. I have always hard a hard time to understand earth souls due to their aggresive and violent behaviour and in the other hand I have been labeled as a weirdo, but when I think about my mother I think that she has had way more "lessons" in her life. And yet she one the most positive persons out there, so I try not to feel bad about her, but it's hard sometimes.

This is one of the most personal things that I have shared to anyone in a while. I usually like to keep things to myself. What a ride this has been, of course I signed up for a reason to this task...

It's good to know that I'm not alone on this.