Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Sebastion]

I would like to interject a little something here regarding my version of surrender. I found out near the end that when I let go of my attachments to the soul body, there was nothing left, not even surrender in any term one would use. I just let it all go period as there was no-thing to do and I had no clue what, if anything would/was going to happen. So without having a clue I had no choice but just let go, period. Just let go. No I, no soul, no nothing and then after a short period, maybe several weeks, it all came. Simple trust was all that was required.

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Posted by greybeard (here)
What I like about this thread is that it supports us all no matter what we are experiencing.
Our Satsang is greatly appreciated, I find the sharing very helpful.
Mind you am trying to let go of this I
When "I" disappears only God is left (Papaji video)

Namaste

Papaji said that surrendering to God is not surrender. You have to surrender the ego so that God becomes within you. This "I" likes to get in everywhere. I do this, I do that, I pray, I surrender, I get rid of the "I@......

http://feelingtoinfinity.wordpress.c.../30/surrender/

What is surrender? The surrender that can be done is not true surrender.

Who surrenders to what? Who surrenders what?

Good questions......

[greybeard]

Yogananda in the book Divine Romance said its like a game of hide and seek with the Beloved.
My experience of life is that, What you chase after runs away.
Ramesh Quote " God gave you an ego let Him take it away"
Also "The biggest obstacle is the thought I am the doer."

So you could say " Let go let God"

Obviously Sebastion got the desired result because there was no desire for a result.

Thanks to recent new contributors.

Chris

[greybeard]

Awesome Gregg Braden video
On co-creation--- science of the power of the heart.
One of the best videos on the power of our belief.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-P031C4Vg

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-P031C4Vg

[greybeard]

The passing of Dr David Hawkins one of the main influences in my life.
Chris

Message flagged from Dr Hawkins publisher.
Monday, 24 September 2012, 19:40







Our Beloved Teacher, Dr. David R. Hawkins

June 3, 1927 – September 19, 2012

Gloria in Excelsis Deo!



"Consciousness research confirms that death is not a possibility.

Life itself is supported by its eternal Source, from which it cannot be separated.”



Dr. David R. Hawkins passed peacefully at home on September 19th,

surrounded by his loving pets and family.



The public memorial service will be held at:

Trinity Cathedral

100 West Roosevelt

Phoenix, Arizona 85003

Monday, October 8, 2012, at 10 a.m.



Please carpool - parking is limited.

Doors will close at 9:45 a.m.



Seating capacity is limited to 500.

If you plan to attend, please email RSVP to info@veritaspub.com.



In lieu of flowers and gifts,

tax-exempt donations may be made to the Institute for Spiritual Research.

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An overview of Dr Hawkins teachings and life can be found on this link.


http://de.spiritualwiki.org/Hawkins/Teachings

Chris

[Chris Gilbert]

Some experiences wherein the ego appears to dissapear are temporary. Such events involve the "conditioned self" and deeper layers essentially being taken apart and put back together (one example would be the Kundalini going through its initial activation). Afterwards, the ego will come back, but it has been refined, allowing higher light to shine through it. Such processes are ongoing, the ego can be refined and transformed into the carriage instead of the driver but it's not gone in any absolute sense.

[Jenci]

Posted by Enishi (here)
Some experiences wherein the ego appears to dissapear are temporary. Such events involve the "conditioned self" and deeper layers essentially being taken apart and put back together (one example would be the Kundalini going through its initial activation). Afterwards, the ego will come back, but it has been refined, allowing higher light to shine through it. Such processes are ongoing, the ego can be refined and transformed into the carriage instead of the driver but it's not gone in any absolute sense.

Hi Enishi and welcome to the thread.

This is true that people have experiences in which the ego disappears and it is temporary but the teachings in this thread are pointing to something which is permanent and many of the teachers here have had their ego dissolve. In the absolute sense, ego is illusion so it can't do anything but disappear.

I think confusion rises on this with the definition of ego where people think that no ego means no individual personality. Ego is not personality. The ego is the illusory sense of self which is an activity of separation which manifests in grasping and resisting in the person.

This grasping and resisting can stop permanently but the ego will do everything it can to prevent its own dissolution so idea that the ego can never go, if investigated as to the origin of the thought, it will be seen that it is the grasping/resisting of the ego itself which is having the thought.


Still, complete dissolution of the ego is not everyone's aim or desire in this lifetime; we are all here to have individual experiences but if it is being sought, then there is much that can be done to help the process.

Jeanette

[greybeard]

Yes there is something you can do.
Refreshing turn around from neo advaita (there is nothing you can do)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NPToCeiaCKs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NPToCeiaCKs


http://www.conscious.tv/
If you click on the link then go down the list to these two accounts of spiritual journeys I think you will be delighted.

Chris

Transformations - Mandi Solk - 'Self Enquiry - Know Yourself' - Interview by Renate McNay
Author of 'The Joy Of No Self' talks about her complete turn around of her belief that there is nothing you can do to awaken ... to "YES" there is something you can do......Mandi found lasting freedom through the method of "Self Enquiry" by Ramana Maharshi.

Transformations - Saraswathi - 'The Light Of Wisdom' - Interview by Renate McNay
Author of 'Averi And The Unknown' talks about her Awakening in 2003 and since then the constant peeling away of old structures and beliefs. Awakening is just the first step, then you need to clear up the whole world. She was asked by her teacher Sai Baba to hold talks on the Heart. After her Awakening also words started to emerge and she wrote a thought provoking spiritual Novel.

[greybeard]

Bill did a great interview with Marcel Messing some time back-- this is recent.
Marcel very much has the finger on pulse of what is happening on many levels.
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A4qwW_zjdDI

[greybeard]

Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

page 76


D.: The Gita was taught for action.
M.: What does the Gita say? Arjuna refused to fight.
Krishna said, “So long as you refuse to fight, you have the sense of
doership. Who are you to refrain or to act? Give up the notion of
doership. Until that sense disappears you are bound to act. You are
being manipulated by a Higher Power. You are admitting it by your
own refusal to submit to it. Instead recognise the Power and submit as
a tool. (Or to put it differently), if you refuse you will be forcibly drawn
into it. Instead of being an unwilling worker, be a willing one.
“Rather, be fixed in the Self and act according to nature without
the thought of doership. Then the results of action will not affect
you. That is manliness and heroism.”


Chris

[greybeard]

OBITUARY



Sir David Ramon Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D., affectionately called “Doc,” died peacefully at home in Sedona, Arizona, on September 19, 2012, at the age of 85. He was born on June 3, 1927, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; he had been a resident of Sedona since 1979.



He is survived by his wife Susan J. Hawkins of Sedona, step-daughter Sarah J. Humphrey (Josh Spradling), and step-granddaughter Evren L. Spradling of Peoria, Arizona.



Dr. Hawkins was renowned as a physician, author, lecturer, and researcher of consciousness. After serving in the U.S. Navy during WWII, he graduated from the Medical College of Wisconsin in 1953. For the next 25 years, he lived in New York, where his pioneering work as a psychiatrist brought major clinical breakthroughs, especially in the treatment of schizophrenia and alcoholism. His research findings were published widely in medical, scientific, and psychoanalytic journals. As Medical Director of the North Nassau Mental Health Center (1956–1980) and Director of Research at Brunswick Hospital (1968–1979) on Long Island, he had the largest practice in New York. Dr. Hawkins also served as a psychiatric advisor to Catholic, Protestant, and Buddhist monasteries. In 1973, he co-authored Orthomolecular Psychiatry with Nobel Laureate chemist Linus Pauling, initiating a new field within psychiatry and leading to appearances on The Today Show, The Barbara Walters Show, and The Mcneil/Leher News Hour.

Dr. Hawkins spent the last three decades of his life in Arizona, working to correlate the seemingly disparate domains of science and spirituality. In 1983, he established the Institute for Spiritual Research, a nonprofit organization dedicated to consciousness research. During the 1980s, his lectures at such events as the First National Conference on Addictions and Consciousness (1985) and Whole Life Expo (1986), both held in California, re-contextualized addiction by illuminating the underlying spiritual drive for inner peace and how to cultivate it apart from substances. During the 1990s, he served as the Chief of Staff at Mingus Mountain Estate Residential Treatment Center for adolescent girls in Prescott Valley and was the consulting psychiatrist for several recovery houses in Arizona.



In 1995, at the age of 68, he received a Ph.D. in Health and Human Services. That same year saw the publication of his book, Power vs. Force, translated into 25 languages, with over a million copies sold and evoking praise from such notables as Mother Teresa and Sam Walton. The book presents his trademarked “Map of Consciousness,” now used by health professionals, university professors, government officials, and business executives worldwide. Many other books followed: The Eye of the I; I: Reality and Subjectivity; Truth vs. Falsehood; Transcending the Levels of Consciousness: The Stairway to Enlightenment; Discovery of the Presence of God: Devotional Nonduality; Reality, Spirituality and Modern Man; Healing and Recovery, Along the Path to Enlightenment; and Dissolving the Ego, Realizing the Self.



From 1998-2011, Dr. Hawkins traveled widely as a lecturer throughout the U.S. and overseas, speaking to sold-out audiences about the science of consciousness and the reality of advanced spiritual states. He spoke at the Oxford Forum and Westminster Abbey, as well as universities such as Harvard University, University of Argentina, University of Notre Dame, University of California, and Fordham University. His final lecture, on “Love,” occurred in September of 2011, attended by 1700 people from around the world.



Dr. Hawkins was active to the very end. Just before his passing, he completed a video-recorded dialogue series and finished his twelfth book, Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender.



Dr. Hawkins received numerous recognitions for his scientific and humanitarian contributions, including: The Huxley Award for the "Inestimable Contribution to the Alleviation of Human Suffering," Physicians Recognition Award by the American Medical Association, 50-Year Distinguished Life Fellow by the American Psychiatric Association, the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame, Who’s Who in the World, and a nomination for the prestigious Templeton Prize that honors progress in Science and Religion. In recognition of his contributions to humanity, Dr. Hawkins was knighted in 1996 by the Sovereign Order of the Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem by authority of the Priory of King Valdemar the Great. In 2000, he was bestowed the title, "Tae Ryoung Sun Kak Tosa" (Teacher of Enlightenment), in Seoul, Korea.



Throughout his life, Dr. Hawkins participated in a wide range of civic and professional endeavors, often in a leadership role. As a physician, he co-founded or served as medical advisor for many organizations, including the Schizophrenia Foundations of New York and Long Island, the Attitudinal Healing Center of Long Island, the New York Association of Holistic Health Centers, and the Academy of Orthomolecular Psychiatry. He was co-director of the Masters Gallery of Fine Arts. Born with an exceptionally high IQ, he became a member of Mensa International in 1963. As a young doctor, he was attracted to Buddhism and joined the first Zen Institute in the U.S. At the time of his death, he had been a member of St. Andrews Episcopal Church for many years. He was the first President of the Country and Western Dance Club of Sedona, a member of the VFW, American Legion, and the Sedona Elks Lodge. He was an archer, carpenter, blacksmith, musician (bagpiper, violinist, pianist), designer of prize-winning 16th-century French Norman architecture, and lover of animals.



Internationally, Dr. Hawkins was the founder of Devotional Nonduality (2003), a spiritual pathway that applies the core truths of the world’s great traditions: kindness and compassion for all of life (including oneself), unconditional love, humility, inquiry into the nature of existence, surrender, and Self-Realization. Since 2002, “Hawkins Study Groups” have autonomously sprung up in many cities around the world, from Los Angeles to Seoul, from Cape Town to Melbourne; the groups study and practice the principles of his books, such as: "We change the world not by what we say or do but as a consequence of what we have become."



A public memorial service will be held at Trinity Cathedral in Phoenix, Arizona, on Monday, October 8, 2012, at 10 a.m., officiated by Priest Mary Piotrowski, Rector of St. Andrews Episcopal Church in Sedona, Arizona. Seating is limited; RSVP email requested: info@veritaspub.com. In lieu of flowers or gifts, tax-exempt donations may be made to the Institute for Spiritual Research.

[greybeard]

Conscious tv interview Mandi Solk
Very humorous but brilliant.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYTx8SOChZc

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYTx8SOChZc

[greybeard]

Marianne Williamson on the mystical power of intimate relationships.
A beautiful interview.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4-ZLkxlV1O8

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4-ZLkxlV1O8

[Ahauchata]

On this end there was a time as I entered into the deeper realms of spirituality where I use to feel that the ego had to be destroyed. Than over time I began to question this as for me I always hear of people saying one must transcend the ego however; to me this doesn't make sense since than why is it created? I do feel that if one uses the ego as a tool and a motivator for creation and if the ego is kept in check to me it is a motivator. Now; I also feel that it is important for oneself to have control of the ego and not let the ego run amoke, such in the cases that are deemed not in the vibration of love (fear) and the related energies associated with the latter aspects of ego. Use ego as a tool for the Higher Self yes, to be controlled. Let ego do the driving ahhhh nope.

[greybeard]

Jim Carrey the film star speaks of his awakening.
Also Gregg Braden.
Well worth viewing.

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=57vmJxWBeRM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=57vmJxWBeRM

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle Circles of awakening Tao Te Chin

Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sKFS64boAso

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sKFS64boAso

[greybeard]

An enlightened dog---- smiling.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShDYYPnDBU0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShDYYPnDBU0

[Caren]

Hello Chris, that's just beautiful! Thank you (hahaha)

[greybeard]

Ramana translation of the Atma Sakshatkara

52. When a pot is carried, though the space within the pot,
Is conceived of as carried,
Is it not solely the pot that is carried?
The Self too. like Space, remains motionless.

53. When the pot breaks, the space in the pot
Merges with the great Space.
When the inert body passes away, the Self, seemingly in the body,
Becomes immediately one with the Supreme Self.

54 Thus the Authority (behind creation) the omniscient Lord
Spoke on that occasion with finality.
One who is liberated, free from bondage
Realises omni-presence and endless absolute Awareness.


That text is many thousand years old--- long before Christ or the Buddha.
To be clear you are that space, that formless awareness, temporarily seeming to be confined within a body.
You are eternal.
Your are That I am.

Found in the collected works of Ramana Maharshi page 168

Chris

[greybeard]

Recent Gregg Braden Interview.
Basically what happens within happens without---your heart feelings influence the world.
Be well
Chris

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VjR-6Nl6Yk4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VjR-6Nl6Yk4

[Jenci]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ramana translation of the Atma Sakshatkara

52. When a pot is carried, though the space within the pot,
Is conceived of as carried,
Is it not solely the pot that is carried?
The Self too. like Space, remains motionless.

53. When the pot breaks, the space in the pot
Merges with the great Space.
When the inert body passes away, the Self, seemingly in the body,
Becomes immediately one with the Supreme Self.

54 Thus the Authority (behind creation) the omniscient Lord
Spoke on that occasion with finality.
One who is liberated, free from bondage
Realises omni-presence and endless absolute Awareness.


That text is many thousand years old--- long before Christ or the Buddha.
To be clear you are that space, that formless awareness, temporarily seeming to be confined within a body.
You are eternal.
Your are That I am.

Found in the collected works of Ramana Maharshi page 168

Chris

I used to spend many hours in my room, silently contemplating what the space was and what the room would be without it.

It was a worthwhile exercise


Jeanette