WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Limor Wolf]

Before a person opens a business he should learn the merits of what he has to ofer, the statistics, the history of failures and the success rate of those who tried before him and draw some conclusions from all the above. The more so when it comes to a 'product' that its importance is almost inconceivable such as FE is.

This is what Wade is doing, he had his own 'business' or worked at his partner's business, and hardly survived the experience, and back when there were much less statistics to rely on than there is today. the 'product' is too important to not bring it out to the public so he is not giving up, just trying a different approach to that which proved itself once and again to be futile.

Why, oh why don't inventors check the statistics, learn the history, see what was done before their own personal attempts. our hearts as future 'consumers' and 'customers' and beneficiaries, will always be with them and everyone's desire is for their ultimate success! because the inventors success is everyone else's success! and damn, they can even make a few bucks on it. But personally, I would rather adopt Wade's insights, selfishly happy that someone else (I am sorry Wade!) has personally learned that this road is blocked and not about to be open soon,therefore, to go the same road again is to waste time and risk an avalanche, if some chose it, so be it, but the chance that we will get to our destination via this same road is very low.


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Originally posted by Wade Frazier: " in the scientific debates on the collapse of civilizations, it was always running out of energy, at its root. Jared Diamond made the case that many civilizations wiped out their environments. Others have made the case that droughts did it, and Tainter made the case that there was a declining marginal return on investments in complexity. It each case, it was just another way that they ran out of energy, or how running out of energy was what collapsed them. "

The most challenging conclusion from all this comprehensive historical review is that we are requested to create something from it's very primeval begining state, much like inventing the wheel, but even more challenging. It seems like any other previous inventions of the human evolution were always achieved as a consequence of some sort of continuity, where one thing led to another.

Birthing FE is like giving birth to a new world where we have no functioning example to educate ourselvs from, so, all which is left for us is to dream and base our visioning on some deep knowledge that we 'know' is out there.

We must succeed in it and may god be with us. What is known in the history of mankind is that there were always been exceptional cases (Wade, you are getting very close to the time period of Jesus, please don't forget the man, he had some great energy ) and maybe it will not hurt us to ask for some emotional support, we will do the job alright, but please give us some cheers from up there, With pom-poms and everything... and maybe we will meet for a coffee after this game will be successfuly over.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ulli:

Another way to see your astrological aspect is my Muppet Movie ending FE scenario: (Damn! The clip was taken down at YouTube and I could not find another), where the clouds part for the fairy-tale ending. I am up for that.

Hi Reinhard:

I choose my battles. I am not a rebel at heart. As much as I hate traveling, I do not want to get on the "no-fly" list. The day that all passengers are required to get a colonoscopy before getting on the plane (because they "caught" the "Bowel Bomber" in the act), I may do something public, but for now I just submit to the procedures.

Hi Ernie:

That is kind of a long story on Quinn. I began with learning all things orthodox, such as having the encyclopedia as my bedside companion as a child, and reading the entire paleontological section of my grade school library. My mystical awakening changed that, as well as my first professional mentor inventing the world's best engine for running a car:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

although I found Frank Edwards's books fascinating when I was about thirteen.

I did not become an alternative guy overnight, but it was a long, slow process. In my typical zeal for learning, I ate up the accounting curriculum after that voice suggested that I study business:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice

But that would not have happened without my mystical awakening:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

But immediately after graduation, I began to question what I now know was my capitalist indoctrination:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#believing

I would later discover that what I was going though was common with the few people that I eventually found like me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

After several years of gradual disillusionment, that voice led me to Dennis, and then my wild ride began:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

When Dennis got his first free energy idea, I did not even know how his heat pump worked, but I soon brought in Mr. Mentor to help assess it, and he eventually proposed marrying his engine to Dennis's heat pump panels to do FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#ventura

and they lowered to boom on us soon thereafter. During those days, I was introduced to a great deal of alternative politics and alternative science. After I staggered out of Ventura, I realized that most of what I was taught about how the world really worked was probably false, and I began to digest the alternative media:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#big

Investigated how my history curriculum in school stacked up to my adult researches:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#more

and I stumbled into Rife, Naessens:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#rife
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#naessens

and a lot of alternative medicine, while looking at orthodoxy's dark underbelly:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/mdaq.htm

I found out about Sparky Sweet in 1990:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

and I then knew that we were not pursuing a phantom during my days with Dennis. We were a great threat to the world's power structure, and were dealt with accordingly.

I have not thought too much about that evolution, but I suppose that my fascination with Frank Edwards's stuff was an early warning sign. My mystical awakening caused me to begin questioning the materialist story. I clearly recall, during my second year of college, shaking my head at the battles between the Evolutionists and the Creationists, realizing that they both missed the boat.

I avidly studied a vast array of material during the first half of the 1990s, from classical thermodynamics and scientific history to mountains of channeled material. In 1995, I was introduced to the Velikovsky issue via my investigations of Carl Sagan's "skeptical" work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#sagan

and have been on the fringes of the Velikovsky controversy ever since. Back in those days, a close friend told me about his little underground demonstration of FE, anti-gravity, and other technologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

So, I realized that the physics texts were cave drawings compared to the principles that those exotic technologies operated under, and when I later became aware of Steve Greer's efforts:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#greer

what his Disclosure Project witnesses described was sometimes exactly what my friend described, and my friend does not even believe in ETs.

In the late 1990s, I began reading quite a bit of feminist literature, including the work of Mary Daly and Riane Eisler:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#masculine

Kind of like my early orthodox studies, I really threw myself into it, going deeply on the subject matter. But, all of those innumerable experiences with orthodoxy and the fringes eventually gave me a healthy skepticism toward all claims, both orthodox and fringe. None of that material is for quick study artists, and I looked into issues such as the moon landings:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#apollo

and the JFK hit:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#wean

for ten years before I decided that I had anything to say about them. What I found was that when fringe claims were tied directly to direct personal experience, particularly by those close to me, such as Gary Wean and the JFK hit, or the underground demo that my friend saw, or what my pals saw of Sparky Sweet's gizmo, that stuff tended to be rock solid. But idiosyncratic reconstructions of the past, where the scholar tried to come up with some grand unified theory that was at odds with orthodoxy, I found to usually be wanting. That is partly because it is not easy to become an expert in the many areas that those grand theorists tackle, and their work can become a house of cards that crumbles when one of their tenets is disproven. At this time, I largely see Velikovsky's work in that way, and Eisler's feminine-based archeological interpretations I consider questionable (which Quinn lauded, for instance). Several years ago, I stumbled upon evidence that my greatest influence on matters of holistic health was a charlatan, and I exposed him:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/bragg.htm

I have seen many fringe claims fall apart on further inspection, while the microscopes of Rife and Naessens, which attain "impossible" resolutions that can be verified by anybody who looks through the lens of the scopes, is solid evidence that orthodoxy can be so wrong that it can also look like a house of cards. Navigating between the genuine and the bogus, in the fringes and in orthodoxy, can be a bewildering experience, and I wrote an essay about that dilemma several years ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/orthodox.htm

This is the long way of answering your question, Ernie. I had heard of Quinn's book for years, with all manner of plaudit aimed at it, but when I read it about ten years ago, I was far from impressed with his Socratic gorilla or its message. I kept seeing people such as Brian O cite it, but I was mystified as to why that book was so popular with people who I thought should know better, and I eventually put it in the category of books such as The Celestine Prophecy, which are for beginners who like reading grand yarns. I did not know that Quinn made a series out of his Ishmael character, but that is typical. Maybe I'll pick up his work again, but it seemed very pedestrian to me. Maybe it has grown some, but I doubt I will be picking it up again. He has it backwards, I think, regarding the Domestication Revolution. The myths derived from the reality, not the other way around. That takers/leavers duopoly I don't take very seriously. An over-idealization of hunter-gatherers has been happening for a long time, and Quinn does it, too. Dark Pathers have been in every culture, and in a world of scarcity, they can tend to dominate, as they manipulate others with economic incentives/penalties. They can be very talented, and Joe Average plays along if he thinks the game will feed him, which is root dynamic of the success of all of scarcity-based ideologies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

I have seen Quinn's approach over and over, and I highly doubt it is accurate. From what I have seen, ideology is a reaction to material reality, not the other way around. Ideology is generally used to justify unfair economic realities. Slavery predated writing and the tales that come down to us from Sumer and eventually the Old Testament by several thousand years. The ideology to make it "right" came later, as with the tales of Genesis that made our exploitation of the ecosystems "right," even making it a directive from the Creator:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#genesis

Exploiting ecosystems for human gain is probably as old as the mastery of fire. In none of the epochal transitions that I know of was it a forward-thinking process. Necessity led to invention which led to the ideologies that justified it. Often enough, such as with slavery, the new material reality made the institution obsolete, and then people decided that the Bible did not justify slavery, after all. What I am trying to help happen has likely never happened before, in that people will envision a change before it materially manifests, as a way to catalyze its manifestation for the rest who cannot even imagine it until they can have the experience of it.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

As people in the alternative energy field know, if an energy alternative technology is any more expensive than orthodox energy technology, it won't sell.

I think of the Quinn phenomenon as similar to the fervor that greeted The Secret, with my wife and I being bombarded with The Next Big Thing for months. We were badgered enough that we finally sat down to watch it, and after about three minutes into their pitch (after the Hollywood beginning), I paused it and looked at my wife in disbelief. What drivel, but it epitomizes the New Age:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#newage

Thrive is just the latest kindergarten effort in these realms. To do what I have in mind, we have to get far past kindergarten, and I know that almost nobody can do it. We can't settle for the comforting pabulum that is continually served up, both in orthodoxy and on the fringes, and get anywhere on the FE path. Naïve, kindergarten-ish efforts are doomed to a bloody, fiery end in the FE field.

Hi Enishi:

Yes, all of those "fun" activities of the masses, such as getting drunk in social settings, eventually lose their appeal, for those who awaken. Little that I do today for fun is what the masses do to get their kicks, but some is, and I realize that it is due to conditioning/experiences from my youth that I am not quite ready to give up. My wife thinks that it helps to ground me, and she may be right, but my favorite grounding experience is hiking in the wilderness:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/pics.htm

Hi Limor:

Thanks. Huge subject. Yes, part of why I am not with Dennis anymore is that he is trying to bring the means to radically transform the human journey through the mundane vehicles of capitalistic business. He is the most ingenious businessman that I ever encountered:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

but the business route tends to drag the effort down into the mundane aspects of the business world, making something with mind-boggling potential into just another product, and people then filter FE through their puny conceptions. FE is one hell of a lot bigger than saving money on our energy bills, but when the mentality is at that level, the efforts are easily defeated, with Godzilla as the apex predator. That is partly why the inventors almost never understand, either playing the capitalist/patent game, becoming highly paranoid, etc. Open-sourcing it is a step in the right direction that no inventor that I ever met was willing to do, but that is only the first step in a long and perilous journey, and I have never seen an inventor who walked more than a few steps down the path. If he had anything with potential, Godzilla and the other predators quickly took it out of circulation, usually by the friendly buyout offer:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

Classifying the patents is another way that several thousand inventions have been taken out in the USA, and Godzilla needed to start playing rough with only a relative few stubborn inventors. I suspect that most inventors making noise today do not have the goods. Godzilla and the others do not let somebody with the goods run around loose for long, and those big-talking inventors today are probably either on the payroll as a kind of "false flag" distraction, or playing their free-lance games and Godzilla sits back and watches them do his work for him, leading people astray. As I have mentioned plenty, I have no interest in the inventor/capitalist route these days, and am trying something different. Enough people need to raise their awareness far above where inventors are approaching the public from, including what Dennis is doing. If enough can do that and form the chorus, somebody like Dennis will easily get across the finish line, but he won't be doing it alone as the world's hero taking on Godzilla (which people such as Keshe and Rossi seem oblivious to, although Keshe got his feet a little wet with his international intrigue, but barely wet). That entire approach is the hero/martyr/victim path. It is time for the creator path to be tried, which is what I am trying to help get going, and we will see how it goes.

On Jesus, because I was raised in the West, there was no escaping the stories that we are told about him. As with several others, I'll buy the idea that the Infinite Spirit manifested through Jesus:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post555848

as corrupted the stories about him may be that have been passed down to us. And I'll buy the idea that his purpose was to try to help right humanity's ship, especially since he was born in the Roman Empire. That his life became the basis of state religions would probably be ironic to him.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

More on Rome soon, but first, a little recap on geophysical processes and some soil science. As I wrote almost three months ago, as I began this outline for my upcoming essay, volcanic basalt was hydrated by the oceans into lighter granite, and that granite floats atop the heavier basalt rock and comprises the continents today, and the continents have been continually growing for the past three billion years or so:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post519314

(a geologist friend had a revised way of saying the above: "In mainstream theories, the granitic part of the continental masses were/are generated by partial melting of subducted slabs of basaltic oceanic crust - returning in the form of granitic batholith. Granitic-type material can also be produced through metamorphism and partial remelting at the base of large thicknesses of sediment - typically during continental collisions" - and I will do my best to say it as accurately as I can in the upcming essay - my point was that water from the oceans incorporated into the heavy basalts created the lighter granites, and I want to be precise when I write that essay).

When the granitic continents appeared, they were deserts, by definition. There was no life on them, except for some bacterial mats (stromatolites https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ite#post526024) along the seashores. The granite was comprised of great slabs, and when it rained, the water washed straight into the oceans in sheets. The first rivers were braided rivers, with no stable shorelines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braided_river

The geological processes that formed the continents created rock. Rock is solid stuff, made by the compression of gravity (my friend added "or by igneous processes - volcanoes and their ilk"). Rock was turned into soil by being exposed to the atmosphere, sunshine, rain, and other forces, which is called weathering:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathering

Weathering breaks rocks into sand and soil. Erosion is the movement of rocks and soil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion

The disintegration of rock by weathering is what made the continents inhabitable, but before plants colonized land, a great deal of that weathered and eroded rock eventually washed into the oceans, forming sediments on the ocean floor. The tectonic processes often subducted those sediments back underground, compressing them back into rock. (further from my geologist friend - "actually, the sediments are typically too light to go down the trench. They get mostly peeled off and form huge masses of deformed sediment and rock - like the example of Crete in front of the subjecting Mediterranean oceanic crust. Only the more dense basaltic material gets shoved down into the earth's mantle." - she and I will need to communicate more, but water definitely was hydrated into the basalt oceanic crust in its multi-hundred-million year journey across the ocean floor, which is where the water came from to make the granites, according to my admittedly Geology 101 understanding, that I largely got from Lunine's Earth) That cycle created metamorphic rocks, with sandstone an example of the sand of weathering and erosion being compressed into rock again (I could have used a better example than sandstone - again from my friend "sandstone doesn't need any tectonic process as such. You can create a nice sandstone just with a nice buried beach deposit and a bit of ground water with the right pH that can carry some components in solution, like calcium carbonate or iron oxide or silica. These can precipitate when the conditions are correct, like cooling of the ground water temperature and presto, you have rock"): :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandstone#Origins

Weathering has also been removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post523971

which has been slowly starving the atmosphere of carbon dioxide, and is the leading candidate for the cooling of Earth’s surface for the past forty million years or so:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post533612

But the colonization of land by plants changed the continents from desert into something that supported life, beginning with the plants. That weathered and eroded rock comprised the soils that plants could put their roots down into, for both stability and the nutrients that their roots could absorb. The key conditions for plants to thrive are: sunshine, water, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in the soils. Ground up rock makes phosphorus and potassium more available to roots, and nitrogen is made available by bacteria in the one of the most energy-intensive activities in the biosphere, fixing nitrogen from the atmosphere, making it biologically available:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...gen#post520372

Plants entered into a symbiosis with nitrogen-fixing bacteria, where the bacteria get their energy from plant roots, and use that energy to fix nitrogen.

Plants have a hard time living on bare rock, but I have seen that happen for many years, as trees grow right out of rocks high in the mountains. The roots grow and force open cracks in the rock. That provides a foothold that eventually creates the conditions for an ecosystem to form, beginning with the soil that the plants eventually create, with falling leaves and needles. What is apparent in the marginal environments of the mountains is greatly magnified in the lowlands, or the virgin forest floors that I have been blessed to experience where I live, although everybody’s favorite places in the mountains are meadows, especially in bloom, as my favorite pictures from my hiking career show:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/pics.htm

Forests not only created a “boundary layer” of relatively calm air between the ground and the treetops that sheltered the animal life that followed the plants onto land, the trees and soil (that the trees both created and stabilized with its roots) also became a great sponge that retained part of the water from precipitation. When rain fell on a forest, it no longer ran in great sheets and braided rivers back into the oceans, but “hung up” in the forest-based ecosystems. Plant roots also stabilized riverbanks and created the rivers that we are familiar with today.

For an idea of how precipitation and land interacted before land-based plants, see what happens when rain falls on a desert. The rain does not have any forest to soak it up, and it all runs quickly off the land, back into the ocean. In deserts, when it rains, it creates a “flash flood”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_flood#Causes

That fast-running water also creates a lot of erosion, washing soils away, ultimately into the oceans.

Since the very beginnings of civilization, deforestation was observed to create flooding when it rained, and the denuded soils also washed away, which is where siltation then clogged the rivers and buried those early cities of Mesopotamia and the Near East:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post554340

That dynamic had been happening for thousands of years when Rome rose. Rome’s energy needs were prodigious, and deforestation, siltation, and desertification were constants. I get ahead of myself a little, but when Rome conquered Carthage, and turned North Africa into a big farm to feed Rome, Utica became the capital of the Roman presence in what was Carthage, and as with the other old cites, Utica’s ruins today sit several miles inland, on a plain of silt that deforestation and farming created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utica,_Tunisia

The Giza plateau was once on the shoreline, but today it sits a hundred miles inland. The topsoil of the Nile Delta is up to seventy feet deep. All of that topsoil washed down from upstream, and not all of it was natural erosion. Wherever there is significant erosion, it means that there is not plant cover to protect the soils. The evidence is that deforestation began about 10,000 years ago in Europe, first to create environments conducive to game animals (as the Indians of the Eastern Woodlands were doing when Europe’s invasion of North America began http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before), and later for agriculture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation#Prehistory

A temperate forest can create about a foot of topsoil in four hundred years. The deep topsoils of America’s Great Plains were created by glaciers grinding rocks into powder (glaciers grind rock against rock). In little more than a hundred years, up to eight feet in areas, or half of the original topsoil, has been washed away by plow agriculture. The situation of civilizations wiping themselves out by deforestation, plow agriculture and the resulting siltation and desertification is not a new idea. A study in the 1940s found a hundred dead cities in Syria, as they wiped out their environments and left behind a desert, and all over the Promised Land are deserts that were once forests and then farms and pastures:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_lib...owd/Lowd1.html

As I wrote earlier, up to half of the rain that falls in the Amazon today is recycled from the rainforest itself:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post543906

When the land is deforested and eroded, it impacts the climate, which was observed clear back to Gilgamesh’s time, which left behind the first written records that we can decipher. The erosion of the past century dwarfs all previous erosion in human history combined, with about a quarter of the world’s topsoil lost since World War II. What Rome did was deforest and erode the lands on a previously unprecedented scale, and it is probably the key reason why Rome declined and eventually fell. It wiped out its ability to generate energy from the environment, and food and wood had to be imported from further and further away, which strained its energy systems, making them less resilient. But I get a little ahead of myself. This weekend, I will be making a few Rome posts, but I will be plunking along at a slow pace for the next six weeks, as my day job gets crazy again.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

One goal of this string of posts since early July is to help people see the big picture, and the big picture is also the long picture. The geological timescale is a pretty big thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologi..._geologic_time

Life has existed on Earth for billions of years, but complex life has existed for only a small fraction of that time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ediacaran

Less than 0.1% of the species that have ever existed are alive today. The rest had their time on Earth and went extinct. They virtually always went extinct because Earth could no longer support them. Earth’s surface is always changing, sometimes radically. But when thinking in terms of the geologic timescale, other than the meteor that wiped out virtually all of the dinosaurs:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ion#post530604

there has been nothing more radical in Earth’s history than what humans have been and are currently doing. But many of the most radical changes happened in far more time than a human lifespan, so people could not even comprehend the impact of their behaviors. Their level of understanding was infinitesimal. They wiped out all of Earth’s large animals that they could, and did it in the geological blink of an eye. The greatest extinction event of complex life in Earth’s history was the Permian Extinction:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ion#post529560

and it took millions of years to happen. Humanity drove nearly all the large animals to extinction within hundreds of years, or a few thousand years at most, after encountering them:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...una#post539852

The rise of humanity likely also drove all other humanoid species to extinction. And in probably not one instance did anybody really understand the ramifications of their self-interested efforts. On the geological timescale, the reign of humans has been like an unending cosmic lightning strike that has literally been burning up the planet. And it has been getting worse lately, far worse. The current denial of the masses, enabled by the media and people such as Rush Limbaugh, is part of our semi-sentient heritage, where nobody has a clue, or even cares, until the resources are gone. The level that humanity is currently playing at not only threatens to take us out, but will take most of the ecosphere with us. And all of it is due to our energy acquisition practices, which has always been the primary vector of our destruction of Earth’s ecosystems.

In order to grok FE and what can come with it, people have to unhook from the indoctrination systems and learn to see and think. But in a world of scarcity, everybody is fighting for their slice of the pie and nobody can really lift their eyes above the fray and really see what is happening. That is where the comprehensive perspective comes in, and it begins in the heart, because people living in fear have tunnel vision, unable to see past their immediate self-interest, as they try to survive. There have been exceptions to that blindness over the course of history, but they have almost always been lone voices in the wilderness. And when people begin to wake up past egocentric awareness, such as environmentalists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose...ironmentalists

their awareness falls into a different fear-trap. I have virtually never met an environmentalist that was not in Levels 2, 3 or 5:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level2

That myopia also manifest in “ideals” that various activists invoke, as if they are normal and natural. The hunter-gatherer lifestyle is humanity’s oldest, and it quickly drove all large animals to extinction wherever they did not learn to avoid humans. That is also when humans left their natural range and left fruit-eating behind and became super-carnivores, although our anatomy is poorly adapted for a carnivorous diet. After all the easy meat was rendered extinct, plants and animals were domesticated, but the seed and root crops that comprise humanity’s staple today are not our natural diet (as well as milk products), but are very recent innovations, particularly on the scale that they are consumed. The ideal human diet is primarily live fruits and vegetables, with a relatively small proportion cooked, and all food preservation is an unhealthy practice, but preserved food provided the calories so that domesticated humans could survive the seasons. The pastoral ideal is not natural. Nor are farms, and as we are seeing on this thread, sustainable agriculture has been extremely rare, almost entirely restricted to Stone Age peoples who could not easily deforest the land and engage in plow agriculture. There has been a great idealization of those Stone Age cultures in various corners, but I consider it highly likely that their “harmony” with their environment was largely because they were not able to wreak the havoc on it that metal-smelting cultures could.

When the Domestication Revolution and subsequent Industrial Revolution are seen, stripped of the ideological baggage that has attended them, they both obviously inflicted immense destruction on Earth and our fellow denizens. And from all corners come all manner of justification and rationale, but the fact remains that both “revolutions” have been awesomely destructive to our home planet, only on a larger scale than the “super-predator” revolution did forty thousand years ago or so:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

when the reign of humans really began in earnest. And FE can make all of those destructive dynamics go away, almost overnight. And almost our entire species lives in denial, much of it willful. That has been the most surreal part of my journey. But from what I saw on my odyssey, I know that it would not take many people to wake up, at all, to initiate that transition to an environmentally-harmless, economically abundant global civilization. But it requires what I and others have called sentience:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sentience

Becoming sentient is not easy, and humanity is still working on it, but I doubt there is little middle ground between becoming truly sentient and wiping ourselves out while taking most of the ecosystems with us.

This thread the past few months has been devoted to laying out the “curriculum” that I plan to teach to as many as can learn it. I also don’t want to be the “teacher,” but more like a fellow traveler who may have only a small head start on those I hope to attract to this material, and others can take it further. If this is dependent on the vision and effort of one person, it will fail. With FE, the nuts-and-bolts of turning Earth into a paradise the likes the planet has never seen before are actually pretty easy, and are actually already here, but are kept under wraps by Godzilla and friends. If enough of us go deep and develop the proper awareness, making it happen would be easy and even fun.

Back to chores.

Best,

Wade

[sandy]

[ If enough of us go deep and develop the proper awareness, making it happen would be easy and even fun.

Couldn't agree more Wade

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Wade Frazier: " The hunter-gatherer lifestyle is humanity’s oldest, and it quickly drove all large animals to extinction wherever they did not learn to avoid humans"

This is understood.

Originally posted by Wade Frazier: " The rise of humanity likely also drove all other humanoid species to extinction"

Here I am stuck, To what other humanoid species are you refering to ?

Originally posted by Wade Frazier: " I also don’t want to be the “teacher,” but more like a fellow traveler who may have only a small head start on those I hope to attract to this material, and others can take it further. If this is dependent on the vision and effort of one person, it will fail"

Bad news - You have the fortune (or 'misfortune, depends how you look at it:) to have the brilliancy and analytical skills and peripheral vision that is kind of rare. That must feel lonesome at times, waiting for others to catch up, therefore, you sit almost alone on the top of the mountain with your understandings (a few others are on top of other summits, but not with the sign 'FE - solutions' written on them, maybe Adam Trombly is around somewhere ?) , Perhaps it would not be realistic to hope that someone will get into your shoes, the size is quite enormouse, not that I assume that you would expect that.

Good news - Several people gathered at the bottom of the mountain, each from their own spot, others are watching, maybe working on their fitness, maybe making up their minds on how to conquer this mountain, many are busy charging with bayonets and spears, those who own a binoculars can spot you, way up, and ask themselvs," how did he get there ?", and you throw ropes down to help people reach the summit. well, it is bound to succeed, and at some point (maybe not tomorrow..) you will be joined by others, slowly and surely, and a path will be paved and others will climb, maybe not professional mountain climbers, but lambs and goats that found their way to the top.

Just one favour please, Give us a minute to catch our breath before we are being requested to sing.
(words and melody is slowly forming in our heads during our climb )


With Love,

Limor

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

Thanks. The dominant theory today is that Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and eventually migrated to every continent. Homo erectus migrated from Africa nearly two million years ago, and spread into Europe and Asia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus#Origin

There is even a theory that Homo erectus evolved in Asia and migrated to Africa, but that is the very minority theory. All of the pre-homo fossils have been found in Africa, and there is no doubt in anthropologist circles that humans came from the same line that led to chimpanzees. Homo erectus is the first humanoid (or, if we want to be scientifically specific, we can call them hominid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominid_(term) and other variant terms) species that undoubtedly practiced the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Homo erectus practiced the first social act that separated the human line from all other animals, the control of fire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus#Use_of_fire

Richard Wrangham has argued that the human line could not have migrated beyond the trees in Africa if it had not mastered fire, so he argues for pushing the control of fire back to two million years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn4

which led to the appearance of Homo erectus. Whatever the truth is, Homo erectus controlled fire at least several hundred thousand years ago, and a member of the human family that had weapons and the control of fire would have been a formidable species, very unlikely to go extinct – humans are survivors, and their toolkit and intelligence allowed them to conquer Earth. The widespread predominance of Homo erectus led to the multi-regional hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multire..._modern_humans

The multi-regional hypothesis is the very minority position today, and genetics testing has pointed to an African origin of all humans today. This was first established in 1987, and there has been little controversy ever since. It looks like modern humans evolved in Africa and began migrating from Africa about 60K years ago. And when those humans began to migrate from Africa, all other human species soon became extinct, Neanderthals and Homo erectus specifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_..._modern_humans

It looks like there was some interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans, but the superiority of intelligence and the toolkit of modern humans was likely the deciding factor. If we return to that biological dictum: “…when two similar populations use the same resources, the one with the greater carrying capacity always wins”

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ity#post546922

the higher carrying capacity of modern humans over Neanderthals and Homo erectus likely carried the day. They were able to more effectively exploit the ecosystems’ energy resources. After modern humans appeared, the Neanderthals’ territory shrank, and the last ones found so far were on the southern tip of what is Spain today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neander...ion_hypotheses

The research and controversy continues, but I am going to have a hard time believing that the appearance of modern humans just randomly coincided with the extinction of all of its competitors. It is far likelier than humans “displaced” those competitors who did not have the brain and toolkit that modern humans did. A recent theory is that anatomically modern humans near Europe interbred with Neanderthals and received a genetic benefit that the humans that migrated to Australia did not:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ull#post539260

The Australian aborigines were isolated from the rest of humanity for tens of thousands of years, it appears, as the humans of the Western Hemisphere were isolated for at least 10,000 years (and Tasmanians were isolated for about 8K years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmani...ean_settlement). And when Europeans arrived, they drove all of those peoples to the verge of extinction, with many tribes in fact going extinct, with the aboriginal Tasmanians going extinct within a century of the British invasion.

The only recent human-line species that may have gone extinct without a little help from its cousins was that “hobbit” species that may have gone extinct because of a volcanic holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_fl...ecent_survival

But to argue that the appearance of humans randomly coincided with the disappearance of its competitors is similar to the argument that the entire world’s large animals suddenly disappearing when humans arrived was another happy coincidence (except for where animals that lived where humans evolved and learned to avoid them, in Africa and Asia, although many species on those continents also went extinct soon after modern humans arrived on the scene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatern...frica_and_Asia).

I consider all of the non-human reasons for all of those extinctions to be weak and surprisingly blinkered. Of course, the human ego does not like admitting what is increasingly obvious in our past, and what is still happening, but on a greatly accelerated scale today. Today, one-quarter of Earth’s mammal species and one-eighth of Earth’s bird species face extinction in my lifetime:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2000325.stm

Again, on the geological timescale, that is not even the blink of an eye, but more like the time it takes for light to cross a room. These prodigious extinctions are happening within a human lifetime, which has never happened before. I understand the urgency of the environmentalists, but the way they are trapped in scarcity-based thinking is really sad to see. They may be the very last group to get on the FE and abundance train, which leads to the rest of your post.

Would humans keep driving everything to extinction if there was no economic reason for doing so? That is really the crux of the conundrum that I see. For those that have a highly negative view of humanity, we are some kind of malevolent cancer that is bent on evil. The center of my argument is that if people were not living in scarcity and could comprehend abundance, their awesome destruction of the planet and each other would come to an end. Oh, there will be a transition, which is why I advocate that peacekeeping force of grandmothers to keep the delusional Young Warriors in line:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

but once the semi-sentient masses can actually see what abundance means:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

it really should not take them all that long to wake up, but they aren’t going to wake up until they can see it. If there is any “law” of “human nature,” it is that one, IMO. It will be up to a tiny fraction to make it happen, just like with all of history’s big breakthroughs. Modern physics rides on only a few broad shoulders. Because scarcity has been humanity’s daily reality for millions of years, it is deeply baked and almost nobody today can really understand abundance, and folks like Godzilla are artificially keeping humanity in thrall to fear and scarcity, because that is all they know, too; so it is with the Dark Path.

It will literally require a gathering of saints, or a larger collection of sentient lambs, to get us over the hump. All Earthly groups today are operating in fear and scarcity, and that is why I saw that Levels 6 to 11 are doomed, because they are all based on fear, at their root:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6

although some are more subtly based on fear than others are. We can only get there through love, not fear. That is really the central crux of the FE conundrum, and a lesson that I learned the hard way long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

and if everybody had to learn it how I did, there would only be a handful of ragged survivors that were crippled and nursing their wounds, of the few who survived the experience.

Again, I am not looking for heroes, not the kind that Dennis is:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

but those who can lay aside their scarcity-based conditioning long enough so that they can simply imagine abundance. That has never been seen before, other than a lone voice here and there in the wilderness, or done in some Peter Pan New Agey way that is in no way practical (or a harem-building and money-making exercise at its heart), and I believe that such a group of people that can achieve sufficient heart-centered sentience can be a catalyst in ways that even I can barely imagine. Yes, Limor, I am in no rush to get people singing. This path is certainly teaching me patience.

Well, time for chores. More Rome posts coming soon.

Best,

Wade

[mosquito]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
.... The center of my argument is that if people were not living in scarcity and could comprehend abundance, their awesome destruction of the planet and each other would come to an end. Oh, there will be a transition, which is why I advocate that peacekeeping force of grandmothers to keep the delusional Young Warriors in line ........
I am not looking for heroes, not the kind that Dennis is:
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but those who can lay aside their scarcity-based conditioning long enough so that they can simply imagine abundance. That has never been seen before, other than a lone voice here and there in the wilderness, or done in some Peter Pan New Agey way that is in no way practical (or a harem-building and money-making exercise at its heart), and I believe that such a group of people that can achieve sufficient heart-centered sentience can be a catalyst in ways that even I can barely imagine. Yes, Limor, I am in no rush to get people singing. This path is certainly teaching me patience.

Well, time for chores. More Rome posts coming soon.

Best,

Wade

Wade, thanks for your vision, and your astute observation and summation of our situation. I have a sincere question:

Where do you want us (those of us following your thread) to go, and what you you want us to do with this vision ? How can we, as a group, be instrumental in bringing genuine abundance into peoples' awareness, without starting a new-age prosperity movement mk II ?

I'm making great strides in holding a future world vision in my heart, but as I said before, I don't see it coming to fruition within my lifetime. (I was in the Philippines in August, where the entire population (103 million) is deliberately kept in poverty and conditioned to accept it as their lot in life That's a whole country, and they are nowhere near as poverty-minded as the Peruvians.)

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of holding a vision for posterity, but I also realise I want to DO something, even if it's just to sow the seeds in enough minds.

Are you happy for us to discuss ideas on this thread ?

Thank you

Limor: That last post was lovely, you almost made me cry !!!!!

[Ol' Roy]

Hi Wade.

You may have touched on this several hundreds posts ago.

I am originally from Eastern Kentucky. I paid my way through college working in the coal mine.
I have 2 brothers who are still working the business. They have been doing this for 30 years

Things are not looking good for them right now. Kentucky is one of the poorest states .

I'm all for "free" energy, but what do we do about the people left behind?

I fervently follow your posts. I just wish there was a gentle answer for those left behind. Not in the USA right now!

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ol' Roy ,

"I'm all for "free" energy, but what do we do about the people left behind?"

The word "free" can be written without its quatation marks, it really IS free.

The wonderful thing about FE is that no one will be left behind. Free energy is something real and tangible as opposed to an abstract concept like (for example) - ascension, that usually involves a select "chosen" few, The revolutionary thing about free energy and the reason that it is so much repressed and compressed is because it will release the world from its many lesions and all human beings have the potential to benefit from it. Just imagine a clean air and clean oceans...
It is our only lifeline for now, and there is enough life jackets for everyone, whether they will chose to be a part of this place, of course.


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As I struggle with reading the famous -' Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance' in English, I found the following passage which I thought is worth copying here:

" In the temple of science are many mansions... and various indeed are they that dwell therein and the motives that have led them there.

Many take to science out of a joyful sense of superior intellectual power, science is their own special sport to which they look for vivid experience and the satisfaction of ambition, many others are to be found in the temple who have offered the products of their brains on this altar for purely utilitaraian purpose. were an angel of the Lord to come and drive all the people belonging to these two categories out of the temple, it would be noticeably emptier but there would still be some men of both present and past times left inside... if the types we have just expelled were the only types there were, the temples would never have existed any more than one can have a wood consisting of nothing but creepers... those who have found favor with the angel... are somewhat odd, uncommunicative, solitary fellows, really less like each other than the hosts of the rejected.

What has brought them to the temple... no single answer will cover... escape from everyday life, with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from his noisy cramped surroundings into the silence of the high mountains where the eye ranges freely through the still pure air and fondly traces out the restful contours apparently built for eternity."

This passage is from a 1918 speech by a young German scientist named Albert Einstein.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Mariposafe and Ol’ Roy:

Thank you very much for your questions. They are important, and are getting at the heart of what I am doing. First, Ol’ Roy, with FE, the idea is that nobody is left behind, other than those who simply want to live in fear and scarcity rather than love and abundance, and I doubt there will be many of those, once they can actually comprehend it. Technically, it will be easy to provide everybody FE and economic abundance, with no harm to the ecosphere, if it can make it past humanity’s inertia and the organized suppression. However, and this segues into Mariposafe’s question, there are not going to be many people, relatively, who end up leading humanity to FE and abundance. I only seek 0.0001% of the global population, and I believe it will be enough, but there still might not be that many people who can get it, but I am trying to find out. The cognitive and emotional leap is simply too great for the vast majority of people to make at this time, without being able to see and experience FE. For those few who get beyond the denial of FE (Levels 1 to 3 http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1), and get beyond the fear of Level 5, nearly everybody who wants to “do something” falls into Levels 6 to 11, where they try to drag their scarcity-based baggage with them. But their scarcity-based baggage drags them down instead. There are very good reasons why this is called a conundrum:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm

I don’t know if I am the first person to call it a conundrum, but it is a term that Brian O also used late in his life. The issue of FE, its organized suppression, the unawareness and denial of the masses, and the hopeless efforts of virtually everybody who has ever tried to “do something” is the thorniest problem that I know of. Combine that with the fact that humanity’s current energy acquisition practices are quickly destroying the planet and could well make Earth uninhabitable in the near future, and how FE can immediately end those destructive practices, as well as turn Earth into a paradise:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced

and it is surreal that I am the only person that I know of who is trying to do what I am, and it brings up the issue of whether humanity is really a sentient species. There should be thousands or millions of Wades out there, but there is only one of me, I am sorry to say. As you might imagine, this puts a bit of pressure on me, and while I sympathize with the impatience of many who have viewed this thread (impatience is my Achilles heel http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#reading), I know that impatience is also not going to get us anywhere. When I see another Lone Ranger inventor trying to scale the ramparts, with his patents and money-raising efforts, I shake my head in sadness, as he heads toward his doom (or the Golden Handcuffs, if he is lucky), unwittingly luring newbies to their doom with him, and it always dismays me when newcomers think that the latest inventor of the hour has the magic answer, when it has already failed literally tens of thousands of times. Godzilla has the suppression down to a science, but the biggest problem, by far, is the inertia and lack of personal integrity in John Q. Public, and I learned that one the hard way:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

The enemy is us, not Godzilla. He is playing his role, but in the big picture, our destiny is really ours, and the semi-sentient state of humanity is a chosen state. Ol’ Roy, you might be familiar with Joe Bageant, who died recently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant

and his last book, Rainbow Pie, may have been his best. Dennis came from a “white trash” background, and I also have it in my heritage, those Borderer Scot ancestors that the English used as the vanguard of invasion of both Ireland and North America, who eventually became hillbillies, migrant farmworkers, and America’s preferred infantryman. In Dennis’s public work, he often portrayed himself as somebody who might not wear shoes some days, and he did plenty of that “stupid talk” in his public appearances.

In Bageant’s Rainbow Pie, he wrote about going home, after years of being a journalist all over America, seeing the so-called liberal mindset (he did not like “liberals,” and I understood – liberals are like house slaves, looking down on the field slaves who do the hard work in this nation), and he remarked on the paranoid, conspiratorial mindset of his people, and how truly stupid and crazy their worldview was. Joe remarked on one friend who actually attended college with him, but went home sooner, and as Joe talked with him, the guy spouted all the stupid hillbilly-isms, and Joe sat there, kind of stunned. Joe knew that the man was every bit as intelligent as he was, but the man mindlessly repeated the most stupid hillbilly stuff. Joe realized that the man had abdicated his sentience in order to fit in. I have seen a similar dynamic over the years, where people who I know are as smart as or smarter than me say some of the stupidest things I have ever heard. It took me a long time to understand, but they abdicated their sentience so they would fit in and participate in the abomination that is Western civilization with a clear conscience, or so they think. Intentional ignorance and stupidity, to justify exploitation and fill one’s belly, makes for a fitful afterlife, let us say. That dynamic is also why I say that sentience begins in the heart.

That all is the long way of saying that what I am trying to do is get enough people who can begin to think comprehensively. Without a comprehensive perspective, and it will necessarily require some scientific literacy, people fail to see the central importance of energy in our world, and they are quickly distracted by all manner of noise that does not add up to anything. People only paid attention to Dennis when he threatened to pull the quadrillion dollar rabbit out of his hat:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion

and when he was wiped out or he failed, they went back to their TV sets, watching NASCAR, the NFL, soap operas, and Dancing with the Stars. Those people are completely useless at this stage of the game, and it took me a while to finally understand. But there are many different approaches that are useless at this stage, including Lone Ranger inventors, would-be FE entrepreneurs, PR flaks, and so on – those that litter Levels 6 to 11. After many years in the milieu, both in the middle of the fray, standing at Ground Zero when they called in the airstrikes, and watching from a distance, I decided to take a different approach, which you can see the baby steps of on this thread, but the effort really has not begun yet. When I saw how quickly an Ilie could get the gist of what I am attempting, it gave me hope that rounding up those several thousand people might be achievable in my lifetime. I also know that Godzilla is fractured:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

and if I had to bet, I would say that the outcome will be decided at the Godzilla level, but I am not going to sit around and wait for it, and the nugget of heart-centered sentience that I am trying to amass may also be critical in leading humanity to an enlightened implementation of FE, instead of the ways that many fear, such as weaponization or strip mining the planet – both are mindless reactions to FE. I think that once stupidity stops becoming a viable survival mechanism, you will see people get a lot smarter, quickly.

I hope to make a Rome post today.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

I saw your post after I posted mine, and you can tell that we sing the same song about who will be “left behind.” That Einstein quote was typical Uncle Albert, and thanks, but please see if you can change the spelling of “angles” to “angels,” so our readers more easily understand it.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Wade,

I noticed , and corrected. My appologies to the angels..

[Wade Frazier]

Hi All:

Sorry, but I did not get done what I was hoping to, so no Rome post today, but more are coming soon!

Well, maybe one link on Rome:

http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-018.html

It is pretty good, but money is only the accounting system and is not real. Currency debasement and the like are symptoms of economic decline, not causes. The accountants never really run the show, as I can attest as an accountant.

Homer-Dixon’s work:

http://theupsideofdown.com/

focuses on Rome’s declining energy return on investment (AKA EROI), while Perlin’s A Forest Journey:

http://www.amazon.com/Forest-Journey.../dp/0674308921

focuses on the EROI of Rome, but from the perspective of Rome’s greatest energy resource of the day, wood, and how Rome burned through its forests, and the deforestation and resulting farming on the cleared lands is what sustained Rome, but it had to keep increasing its reach to raid those resources far and wide, until it could no longer sustain itself. I’ll get into some of the details in future posts.

Good night.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

The phenomenon of Rome is so big that I can’t tackle it all at once, not by any means. So, I will go after aspects of it in various posts, and I will start with the theme that I have been on since Sumer, and how Rome related to its forests and land. Rome rose thousands of years after Sumer, after the Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations, after Egypt rose, after the Phoenicians. Rome was kind of a latecomer to the game.

As I mentioned earlier, Athens tried to invade Sicily, for wood:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ily#post543474

as they ran out of wood on Greece. During those days, Rome was heavily forested, with fir trees, as hard as that may be to believe today. By that time, the forests around Rome were about the only places left in Southern Europe that could provide the wood needed to build battleships. The hills of Rome were named after the trees on them, such as laurel and willow, and other Roman spots were named after beech and oak. The hills and mountains around Rome abounded with fir and silver fir.

What is today called Anzio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzio

was called Antium in Roman times, and the tribe that lived there escaped a Roman army by hiding in the woods. Just south of Rome were the Avernian woods, which meant “birdless” in Greek, because the woods were too thick for birds to fly in them. Just north of Rome lay the Ciminian forest, which was so thick that before 310 B.C., no trader dared enter it. When a Roman expedition planned to enter it, it created a sensation in Rome. The trip into the dense forest seemed so dangerous that the Roman Senate forbade it, but the expedition continued anyway. The early tales of Rome all agree that the original Romans were people of the forest.

As Rome grew, the forests gradually disappeared. In 250 B.C. Rome was battling with Carthage for Mediterranean supremacy. At that time, peasant agriculture began to give way to large ranches and farms, and deforestation greatly accelerated. As Pliny noted, the most coveted agricultural land was that of newly-cleared forest, before the soils became depleted by plow agriculture. Contemporary observers noted how the forests were retreating up the mountainsides, taking the wildlife with them. Wood began to become expensive and scarce in those last days of the Republic. Rome became a de-facto empire with its defeat and destruction of Carthage and Corinth in 146 B.C., but it took a century of civil wars to finally replace the Republic with an imperial dictatorship.

During the first century B.C., during the civil wars, the conservation of the forests became a state issue, with Cicero debating it in the Senate, particularly when a politician implored the state to sell one of its forests to private interests for exploitation. The conservationist stance of Cicero did not prevail, however, and Rome kept devastating its forests and conquering its way to more wood. The Romans did not only conquer Greece and Carthage, but it conquered northward, with today’s Tuscany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscany

and the Po River Valley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po_Valley

wrested from its inhabitants during those late days of the Republic. The Po River Valley was inhabited by Gaul tribes, people of the deep forest. By the time of Julius Caesar, the forests of Germany and North Africa were the subjects of Roman fascination, with forest primeval romanticizing of its inhabitants.

Livy, who wrote during the reign of Augustus,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy

noted the great surprise of his contemporaries when informed that the Ciminian forest was once as thick as the forests of Germany. And just like happened all over the Old World, the Tiber was the “log lane” that supplied Rome with its wood, and Rome’s harbor at the mouth of the Tiber, at Ostia, became silt-filled and useless. Claudius tried to remedy the situation by building a new harbor two miles away, but it quickly became silt-filled, too. Trajan tried to revive the new harbor, but failed, and then built a new harbor at Civitavecchia, fifty miles from Rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitavecchia

Its port of Ravenna on the Po also became silt-filled, and Ravenna today sits several miles inland on the silt plain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenna

At the time of Jesus, Rome had a population of about a million people, and their energy needs were prodigious. Rome had 900 baths at one time, with each one requiring hundreds of tons of wood per year to keep the temperature at the Roman ideal. And the grand homes of the elite had central heating. In the last days of the Republic, glass windows were invented, and glass blowing in the next century. Like the Classic Greeks did, as the wood ran out, the Romans began to design their homes with a southward orientation to capture solar energy, especially with their new glass windows.

Great amounts of wood were needed to make glass, ceramics, lime, bricks, bronze, and iron, and in the early days of the Empire, those industries fled Italy to locate in today’s Southern France, particularly the Lower Rhone Valley. It was because there was no more wood in Italy to exploit. Rome invaded Cyprus during the Late Republic, which had recovered its forests from the Minoan times:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post543474

and two hundred years of Roman rule completely denuded Cyprus, and the copper smelting industry once again collapsed. Just one of the Roman slag heaps found on Cyprus would have taken the burning of about 500 million pine trees to produce.

By the end of the second century A.D., the glass and ceramic industries that moved to Southern France had burned though the forests and had to move again, that time to Belgium and Germany. By 300 A.D., the glass industry in South France was extinct. The iron industry had to flee to the Jura Mountains:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jura_Mountains

When Rome invaded the British Isles, about the first thing Rome did was begin to mine and smelt iron on the coast. That quickly decimated the coastal forests, and the operations fled inland, and it took a century for the iron industry in the British inland forest to denude hundreds of square miles of forest, and then the industry collapsed.

Roman architecture noticeably changed over the years as the wood disappeared. Stone began to replace wood in architecture, and the bricks were made more cheaply, with less fuel used to fire the bricks.

The sandarac tree in Northern Africa became highly coveted for Roman furniture, with a sandarac table at one time fetching seventeen pounds of gold. By that time, there was very little agriculture engaged in in Latium, which was the region surrounding Rome, as the soils had all been wrecked. Northern Africa became the granary of Rome. The great crime of Anthony was seizing the fields of the Nile delta. Once Anthony and Cleopatra were eliminated, the Nile delta’s farms became the personal possession of the Emperor, and when the barges failed to come from Africa to feed the idle masses in Rome, riots ensued. The same deforestation, siltation, and desertification happened all over the Roman Empire, as its methods cut out the legs from under it. In imperial parlance, the Roman Empire was guilty of imperial overreach. The Peace of Rome that Tacitus wrote so charmingly about:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...tus#post556408

was a period of imperial consolidation, but without plundering new lands, as its methods were anything but sustainable, the Empire slowly declined. As it declined, Rome enacted what Homer-Dixon called “ruthless extraction,” where the free peasants were turned into serfs to work the land for Rome.

The so-called peace of Rome ended in 180 A.D. with the death of Claudius:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_romana

with the Roman treasury empty. The bread-and-circus sops were in short supply, and a century of mayhem ensued. Two emperors, Aurelian and Diocletian, tried to hold the disintegrating empire together during the third century A.D., and the era of ruthless extraction began. The currency had been debased so far by that time that taxes were no longer collected in money, but in food. Diocletian created the first state budget. A couple of emperors later (emperors were almost always assassinated in those halcyon days, almost never dying of natural causes), Constantine tried a new gambit – making a marginal cult the imperial religion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#masada

But that also failed to hold the Empire together. As Rome crumbled, the seat of the Empire moved to Constantinople:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople

By 500 A.D., Rome’s population was half of what it was during the Peace of Rome, and by 600 A.D., its population was 100K, to bottom out at 15K by 1100 AD. The forests of Western Europe recovered from the centuries of Roman rule, to get deforested again during the great city-building period of the late medieval period:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#cities

That was the energy dynamic of the trajectory of Rome, and as Rome could no longer feed itself, the people died and fled. Germanic tribes then conquered Western Europe. The rise of Islam came not long after the collapse of Rome, and Islamic armies invaded Spain, wresting it from the Visigoths. The Jews lived in their Golden Age in Europe in Islamic Spain:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#moors

The Catholic Church burned all of the Classic Greek works as pagan, but the Greek works were preserved in Islamic libraries, to begin to reenter European culture with the conquest of Toledo by the Christian armies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#toledo

Thus began the rise of reason and science again in the West, but I get ahead of myself. The next posts will explore other aspects of Rome, many of which have keen relevance to today.

Off to work and a long next six weeks.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

Is there any one society on earth that has ever managed to live in harmony with nature ? or at least one that has not significantly adversely affected its surroundings ? I find this historical review a bit depressing because there is one conclusion that stands out, and that is the common denominator which is us human beings. The real battle, therefore is not for FE as much as it is for sentience, because, without it not even the best of defense attornies would be able to explain to why not eliminate this constant hazard.
Sorry for this non positive expression

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Limor,

The positive backside of your observations is to show that Free Energy is the only way to go about living in harmony with nature. Without the implementation of Free Energy someone will have to pay our energy costs of living. And so the strangest thing is to see environmentalists fight against free energy for fear we may use it to trash the planet even faster, but they fail completely to see the positive transformation that Free Energy would bring about.

Wade's story goes to show how the rise and fall of energy availability has influenced deeply the standard of living for humans. High energy meant a luxuriant life style for those that benefited and when the energy was no longer available the civilization collapsed. The problem is that without Free Energy we are stuck in this cycle of burning the Energy reserves (that seems to be energy captured from the Sun), then collapsing while new energy reserves form, then doing it all over again. (We don't actually consume any energy, but just transform it info forms we cannot use at this time).

FE would break this cycle once and for all. But the problem is that free energy would also bring to an end the power structure that rules the planet right now. So it will not be allowed in the public domain, unless it can be tightly controlled and monitored as to maintain a scarcity based reality and therefore maintain the status quo.

Because FE technology exists already, the "abundant living" is the reality while the "scarcity living" is the illusion we are all so busy believing in, and actually defending.

Wade's energy story is long and not so pretty! But we have to really really get it! If we want to be able to see through the veil and not be distracted by the next show. It is a requirement to developing a comprehensive picture of the world. And once you truly see it, you can never go back.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie,

Thanks, you gave some very good reasoning! I agree, FE is about to bring a revolutionary change even beyond what we can predict and it will reroute the course of events, of course, we as people need to change our state of mind to what is possible. you are right, we are currently being told what is possible, or to be more percise, what is NOT, but the possibilities are in effect endless. the technology already exists and its development holds a promise that was never known to humanity before, it is about time that our planet earth will get its upgrade for the sake of everyone's involved. actually, coming to think of it, not even the most toughest prosecutor can argue otherwise... Thanks again.

Case closed

[Melinda]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
...Because FE technology exists already, the "abundant living" is the reality while the "scarcity living" is the illusion we are all so busy believing in, and actually defending.

Wade's energy story is long and not so pretty! But we have to really really get it! If we want to be able to see through the veil and not be distracted by the next show. It is a requirement to developing a comprehensive picture of the world. And once you truly see it, you can never go back.

I love it when you're flowing Ilie

I feel your frustrations Limor, but it all can and will come together as we learn from the past and paint the future with light with our combined vision. You're here, as Limor, right now, bringing something new and unique to the equation at this time. In fact now seems like as good a time as any to quote one of my favourite Eaglespirit posts...

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
...free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, free energy, FREE ENERGY!
THINKING IT WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW!
...with unconditional love, selflessness, wisdom and action as the core rhythms of epic change in Consciousness!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

The razing of forests (or environment or our life support system) for energy is so deep ingrained in us that even imaginary worlds are contaminated with it. After all it is the mirror we reflect in...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=shMvpRebngc

I think Tolkien saw that scarcity dynamics and portrayed it as Sauron and his minions... Why they not used all that magical powers (FE) in Sarumans hands to power the war machine? Such a wise wizard as Saruman would surely find a powerful spell to accomplish that. Instead they followed their scarcity program and used up all the forest around Isengard to supply energy (fires)... And have dug a very deep hole to get to the ore for smelting...

There is a hellish method in real world to blow off top of the mountain with tons of explosives and then truck away coal without digging underground. Until they not run out of mountaintops to blow off the EROI of such an enterpise is pretty big Horrible stuff
http://www.wired.com/science/planete...urrentPage=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaintop_removal_mining

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G11prumD2pY