Here and Now...What's Happening?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by AriG (here)
Grey and balmy here. Bucolic. A sharp contrast to the challenges that await us.

Visited with sisters in Astral. Cleansed. Spirit bells and kundalini in my spirit house. I didn't recognize them at first as I awakened beside them. It had been too long.

Just scooted back to say, welcome again and good morning, no...good afternoon, AriG. Off to do things in 3D/5D world now.

................................................Going, going, gone ...........................................

[Sierra]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Interesting, how life is a series of reflections, as I opened for business yesterday (monday), the owner of my shop arrived just ahead of a giant truckload of fabric and proceeded to convert my picture frame shop into a fabric store.

omg ...

PurpleLama, your karma is hilarious!

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
It is his intent, apparently, to have fun mocking those who would pretend to be the pretenders, the kind who mimic Hollywood style. To make fun of those who mimic the joke, the joke that is not aware of itself.

Like the court jester, he's riding the ragged edge of being killed. Like the Jester, he's mimicking, and getting a laugh...at the same time he's screaming in the undercurrent 'what is your major malfunction?'

Sine I'm seeing this comment as a Carmody projection of the highest order
I got a major insight into your being, and stand in awe, yet again.

But to be clear, the moment someone engages in anything that can even remotely be felt as fandom, I'm gone. I get real queasy and uncomfortable when anything like that happens. For all the right reasons. (recall, two lives back, men trusted me with their lives. I was a hero, a thing they could trust to keep them alive... in their world of horror. They died anyway.)

What I used to do, is I would go to hellish extremes, with my friends and then look them in the eye, in full knowing, right in the middle of the given extreme.....and ask, 'now, what exactly is going on, here?'*

As if our given insanity, was paused via remote control...and then the image fades into being from a television..and the narrator/psychologist, taps the monitor with the remote..and begins the discussion. they would freak for a second... and then they would go back to being their given 'normal' freaked out.

Which is why I say I have my best conversations with the bereaved, or similar, or with the dying, as they understand the pure crystalline clarity of the moment, and the flow, and the life. They are on the edge of or are in clarity.

*every now and then, a film would show this moment. Why this does not happen anymore, is beyond me. Susan George did this at the end, in the last minute of the 1974 film 'Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry'. She just sobered up and said, 'I think I can unload now'.

Well, since the Village already passed through death's door several days ago
and we are all now on the other side, you should be in good company here.

No longer alone...the choir is singing back at you (if we can remember the lyrics, that is...)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
So how about this for language use:
I love you, araucaria...slobber, slobber

I have a friend visiting, top rated doctor in California in Psychology, his name is Doctor Higgins and he is blown away by what is going on here in the village, I'm handing the keyboard over to him...

he had no idea there was a forum like Avalon, he has written many books, looks like he will be joining us, if the Mods have any openings...


Hello, This Dr. William Higgins, I type 1 word a minute so please be patient. I'm here.

Hello Dr. William Higgins. Very pleased to meet you.
I have an obsession with statistics, so if you will allow me....

One word a minute....
Many books.....

hmmm... you are giving away your age here.
Or you are a fast talker with a brilliant secretary?

I'm going to set up his computer with speech recognition so he can just talk and have his words appear....

he says...

I'm a slow talker with a brilliant secretary who, periodically looks up my words.

anyone have a deep question they've always wanted an answer on?

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

In terms of communication, Grice's Cooperative Principle and Maxims of Conversation had a profound effect on me while studying linguistics. They state:

"Cooperative Principle: 'Make your contribution such as it is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.'

The conversational maxims can be thought of as precisifications of the cooperative principle that deal specifically with communication.

Maxim of Quantity: Information
Make your contribution as informative as is required for the current purposes of the exchange.
Do not make your contribution more informative than is required.

Maxim of Quality: Truth
Do not say what you believe to be false.
Do not say that for which you lack adequate evidence.

Maxim of Relation: Relevance
Be relevant.

Maxim of Manner: Clarity (“be perspicuous”)
Avoid obscurity of expression.
Avoid ambiguity.
Be brief (avoid unnecessary prolixity).
Be orderly."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Grice)

Ok, let's see if I can make my point out of this without being ambiguous, untruthful, irrelevant, and perissologistic (whoops, already failed!):

If, according to Grice, successful communication and comprehension between two or more individuals is to occur, than those individuals must adhere to the maxims. If those individuals have different cultural filters and speak different languages, then successful communication and comprehension becomes even more difficult, perilous, and confounding.

So, take the biblical event of the Tower of Babel, where a diaspora occurred and different languages and cultures arose. If we suppose that Joseph Farrell's speculation on the matter is correct (that the Tower was a technology that would allow humanity to rival the power of the gods, so therefore the Tower had to be destroyed to protect the hegemony, and also to ensure that it would not be recreated in the future), then the fact that humanity was divided linguistically and culturally would create an almost insurmountable chasm of incomprehension and miscommunication that would possibly ensure the incessant reoccurrence of war and strife in a perpetual state of social darwinism. So, if that thought has any merit at all to it, then one could surmise that the key to human unity would be through successful communication across all languages and cultures. That doesn't mean there needs to be ONE culture, or ONE language, or ONE currency, or ONE world order, just simply successful communication, in alignment with Grice's maxims. Is this even possible?

I don't know. Ha! The only thing I can come up with is that if we all communicated through telepathy, and not verbal, nor written communication, it might possibly successfully fulfill each of the maxims: Quantity, Quality, Relation, and Manner.

[donk]

anyone have a deep question they've always wanted an answer on?

What's the best way to help someone face their fears and open their eyes to their denial?

I know it's no good to impose your will and people need to learn themselves and all that...but I also know we are social creatures that can help each other--so I try just being there, also always doing my best at listening helps, but I guess what I am asking is: how do you help someone to see that, how important this is...when they don't even listen to themselves?

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heh...maybe plato answered when i was asking

[ulli]

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)

I don't know? Ha! The only thing I can come up with is that if we all communicated through telepathy, and not verbal, nor written communication, it might possibly successfully fulfill each of the maxims: Quantity, Quality, Relation, and Manner.

Point Zero.
All is happening simultaneously.
Time standing still.
Now what?

[Chester]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Interesting, how life is a series of reflections, as I opened for business yesterday (monday), the owner of my shop arrived just ahead of a giant truckload of fabric and proceeded to convert my picture frame shop into a fabric store.

omg ...

PurpleLama, your karma is hilarious!

My wife is a budding artist... quite talented but in a sea replete with talent, hard to break into the commercial benefit zone. She also has a penchant for framing her art which of course raises the cost.

Because her former career was as a seamstress (pays about $50 - $60 a week in her home land, Medellin, Colombia) she started making the case that perhaps she should acquire the necessary machines she would need to start producing her own products for the purpose of providing some additional support for her daughter and herself. So we sold off the $30,000 diamonds (as valued by the former insurance agency) that was given to me through her will by my step-mother (who died in 1979) and that she stated in her will were meant for my wife. Sold in order that we could fund this project. We received $1,500 cash and purchased a two of the five machines she feels she needs.

So a few weeks ago she said she wanted to show me something (over the Skype video). She then held up some curtains (made of fabric) upon which she hand painted in her unique style of art. What was even whackier is that what she painted was an eagle. This happened to be the same Sunday 9eagle9 and I had ganged up on wynderer (something I still regret).

Anyways... in hopes I haven't lost the point, perhaps one can experience the best of both worlds of art (or pictures) and fabric if one has the imagination like Cristina demonstrated even though the frame would end up being the wind in this case.
Love to ALL, Chester

[ulli]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
So how about this for language use:
I love you, araucaria...slobber, slobber

I have a friend visiting, top rated doctor in California in Psychology, his name is Doctor Higgins and he is blown away by what is going on here in the village, I'm handing the keyboard over to him...

he had no idea there was a forum like Avalon, he has written many books, looks like he will be joining us, if the Mods have any openings...


Hello, This Dr. William Higgins, I type 1 word a minute so please be patient. I'm here.

Hello Dr. William Higgins. Very pleased to meet you.
I have an obsession with statistics, so if you will allow me....

One word a minute....
Many books.....

hmmm... you are giving away your age here.
Or you are a fast talker with a brilliant secretary?

I'm going to set up his computer with speech recognition so he can just talk and have his words appear....

he says...

I'm a slow talker with a brilliant secretary who, periodically looks up my words.

anyone have a deep question they've always wanted an answer on?

Are you aware that you might be asking for trouble here?
Two types of members here...those who want the answers for themselves,
and they usually get them via the ether, directly...
while the others want to quiz you to find YOUR REAL identity and perhaps vulnerability,
with little interest in their own.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)

I don't know? Ha! The only thing I can come up with is that if we all communicated through telepathy, and not verbal, nor written communication, it might possibly successfully fulfill each of the maxims: Quantity, Quality, Relation, and Manner.

Point Zero.
All is happening simultaneously.
Time standing still.
Now what?

Now what? Well, Purple Lama mentioned something to me just a short while ago that made me connect the Village with my idea on Grice and communication. It appears to me that the fulfillment of successful communication through nonverbal or written means sounds an awful lot like a 6th Density Social Memory Complex as explained in the Law of One.

[Sierra]

Hello Dr. Higgins

Welcome to the Village! Have you filled out an app yet? <trotting off to check the apps> Noooo you haven't. Here is the link:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/register.php

Looking forward to meeting you, hearing you, and getting to know you.

<energetically pushing er ... escorting Dr. Higgins over to the app room>

Sierra (a mod aka a moderator)

[ulli]

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)

I don't know? Ha! The only thing I can come up with is that if we all communicated through telepathy, and not verbal, nor written communication, it might possibly successfully fulfill each of the maxims: Quantity, Quality, Relation, and Manner.

Point Zero.
All is happening simultaneously.
Time standing still.
Now what?

Now what? Well, Purple Lama mentioned this to me just a short while ago. It was his statement that made me connect the Village with my idea on Grice and communication. It appears to me that the fulfillment of successful communication through nonverbal means sounds an awful lot like a 6th Density Social Memory Complex as explained in the Law of One.

Great that you brought that up. The main communication here is still the written word.
We are exploring the underlying energies...
some are better at it than others, but it is a probing into the spirit realm...
just to see if it exists at all.

[Chester]

Ulli? Are you a ghost? Just kidding, but I noticed you are so often posting but I never see you listed below in the members currently accessing this thread. Is there perhaps a tech glitch? Love Ya... Chester

EDIT - I just realized it says there are 13 members but I only counted only 6? Does admin know this?

Now 7 listed but says there are 14 here.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Sierra (here)
Hello Dr. Higgins

Welcome to the Village! Have you filled out an app yet? <trotting off to check the apps> Noooo you haven't. Here is the link:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/register.php

Looking forward to meeting you, hearing you, and getting to know you.

<energetically pushing er ... escorting Dr. Higgins over to the app room>

Sierra (a mod aka a moderator)

we tried, but it was Spam blocked...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
So how about this for language use:
I love you, araucaria...slobber, slobber

I have a friend visiting, top rated doctor in California in Psychology, his name is Doctor Higgins and he is blown away by what is going on here in the village, I'm handing the keyboard over to him...

he had no idea there was a forum like Avalon, he has written many books, looks like he will be joining us, if the Mods have any openings...


Hello, This Dr. William Higgins, I type 1 word a minute so please be patient. I'm here.

Hello Dr. William Higgins. Very pleased to meet you.
I have an obsession with statistics, so if you will allow me....

One word a minute....
Many books.....

hmmm... you are giving away your age here.
Or you are a fast talker with a brilliant secretary?

I'm going to set up his computer with speech recognition so he can just talk and have his words appear....

he says...

I'm a slow talker with a brilliant secretary who, periodically looks up my words.

anyone have a deep question they've always wanted an answer on?

Are you aware that you might be asking for trouble here?
Two types of members here...those who want the answers for themselves,
and they usually get them via the ether, directly...
while the others want to quiz you to find YOUR REAL identity and perhaps vulnerability,
with little interest in their own.

he's consulted 6 of his patients while a gun was pointed at his head... he can take it...

he isn't afraid after almost dying 2 weeks ago, that's why he gave his name, so anyone interested can look him up...

as for vulnerability, I'm known as teflon, he's the level beyond...

[PurpleLama]

Unfortunately, ulli, this is one bad decision coming after a long series of bad decisions stretching back several years. Currently my coworkers and I are discussing a new hobby of drinking on the job, half in jest.

[ulli]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Ulli? Are you a ghost? Just kidding, but I noticed you are so often posting but I never see you listed below in the members currently accessing this thread. Is there perhaps a tech glitch? Love Ya... Chester

EDIT - I just realized it says there are 13 members but I only counted only 6? Does admin know this?

Now 7 listed but says there are 14 here.

you have the option to browse Avalon in stealth mode. You might like it. try it for a day, very liberating feeling.
Go to Settings, scroll down to General Settings on your left, then click on "Invisible Mode" then save. Anyone can do it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

dejavu...

I know many here who have been living in pain, once mods get Doc set up, I'll start a thread for people to quietly slip in and talk with him, with only a million people following, no fear...

for everyone here on Avalon with an experience, there are most likely thousands lurking living through the same pain...

[donk]

well playto, all I know is your WRITTEN communique felt a lot more than that...I got it at a different level, exactly when I needed it. Synchronistical-isiousness--- GRACIAS!!

(I'm pretty sure that sentence violated a majority of the maxims

[ulli]

Posted by donk (here)
well playto, all I know is your WRITTEN communique felt a lot more than that...I got it at a different level, exactly when I needed it. Synchronistical-isiousness--- GRACIAS!!

(I'm pretty sure that sentence violated a majority of the maxims

No violations of thread rules, which is all that matters here.
We celebrate one another as sovereign adults here,
even if the standard isn't met in the field of grammar.
Silly cat pictures can speak a thousand words.
How is your rabbit Angel?