Bible Topics and Questions

[kreagle]

Star Mariner and mojo,

As I've said, earlier, I personally have never seen a UFO, or entity, ( ET or ED). I'm curious,....have either of you?,....and if so, would you elaborate on your experience(s)?

Star Mariner, I can understand how you might 'reject the fallen angel concept', based upon many of your 'other views'. However, your claim that 'their crafts are machines, and not apparitions' doesn't line up with many of the 'witnesses and contactees' that I've read about, coupled with a great deal of information I have viewed on videos, etc. Many of these 'eye witness accounts' testify to the fact that 'they suddenly appeared, and/or, suddenly disappeared into thin air.' According to 'them' it was not because of 'rapid speed' , going or coming, but that they appeared to be coming from a 'different dimension other than ours!'

Angels,...good, or bad,........unfallen, or fallen,......fully have the ability to do exactly this. They can 'materialize' and 'de-materialize' with ease. The 'same identical traits' you attribute towards these 'entities', ( ET's to you), apply precisely towards the 'unfallen, and fallen' angels, ( ED's in my mind). Your words, brother,......they 'are far ahead of us in every conceivable way.'

mojo, as you can see by my response to Star Mariner, I'm in agreement there are good, ( unfallen), and bad, ( fallen), angels. Unfortunately it appears that the 'fallen angels' are the ones who garner most of the attention and make all the 'news highlights', ( ie.,......abductions, deception, hybrid programs, etc.)

Love and Peace,.....your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[Akasha]

Dear kreagle, Thanks very much for your response regarding speaking in tongues. You have now sufficiently answered my question. I should really apologise for my "vocal nonsense" comment since in reality I don't know whether it's nonsense or not. I can only speak from my own experience on the subject, being that I was brought up in an extremely pentecostal/evangelical household which inevitably led to being introduced to these phenomena at a rather tender age. I accepted Jesus at the age of 7 approximately (it's so long ago), was "baptised in the spirit" around the age of 10 and baptised in water at the age of 12.

I have to say that the kundalini type awakening experience I had when I was 28 totally blew those previous experiences out of the water and showed them up for the contrivances they were. Not that I'm in any way implying that your experiences are also contrived: I'm not! It's just that for me, the whole ongoing speaking in tongues episode was literally a case of copying the gobbledeegook I would hear week in week out at the church from the adult members and leadership.

[kreagle]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Dear kreagle, Thanks very much for your response regarding speaking in tongues. You have now sufficiently answered my question. I should really apologise for my "vocal nonsense" comment since in reality I don't know whether it's nonsense or not. I can only speak from my own experience on the subject, being that I was brought up in an extremely pentecostal/evangelical household which inevitably led to being introduced to these phenomena at a rather tender age. I accepted Jesus at the age of 7 approximately (it's so long ago), was "baptised in the spirit" around the age of 10 and baptised in water at the age of 12.

I have to say that the kundalini type awakening experience I had when I was 28 totally blew those previous experiences out of the water and showed them up for the contrivances they were. Not that I'm in any way implying that your experiences are also contrived: I'm not! It's just that for me, the whole ongoing speaking in tongues episode was literally a case of copying the gobbledeegook I would hear week in week out at the church from the adult members and leadership.

Akasha,

Thanks, brother, for your kind response, and gracious apology. I can 'feel your pain' through the volume and magnitude of your words. I, truly, am so sorry that you had to endure an unpleasant 'childhood experience' in regards to your religious past. I genuinely hope, for your benefit, that you won't completely jeopardize any 'future blessings' you might receive because of the 'past you might have experienced'. I'm sure your parents meant well in the 'experience' they were exposing you to, so try to remember that as you mature in life.


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Akasha]

No pain, just awareness.

[greybeard]

Some say that Kundalini awakened is a great blessing and that it is the Holy Spirit moving within the body.
When that happened spontaneously to me I had no knowledge of Kundalini, I had not even heard the word Kundalini, so it could not have been influenced by the experiences of any other
The awakening brought great peace and quietened a previously noisy mind, that is a marvellous gift in a troubled world.

Chris

[kreagle]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Some say that Kundalini awakened is a great blessing and that it is the Holy Spirit moving within the body.
When that happened spontaneously to me I had no knowledge of Kundalini, I had not even heard the word Kundalini, so it could not have been influenced by the experiences of any other
The awakening brought great peace and quietened a previously noisy mind, that is a marvellous gift in a troubled world.

Chris

Hey greybeard,

Long time, no see, brother! Great to hear from you again!

I would be very interested in your testimony, or what exactly happened and transpired when you had this 'experience' in your life. How long ago was it, and how old were you at the time. What had you done, or measures had you taken in order to 'set yourself up' to receive this 'experience'? What 'manifestations', ( mental, physical, or spiritual), occured to signal to you that something 'profound' had taken place? Could you elaborate and explain precisely what you underwent in clarity, brother? Since you relate in your post, here, that you had never heard the word, 'Kundalini', and 'had no knowledge' of such, how did you know, ( or who told you), that this is what 'happened to you?' You do mention the term, 'Holy Spirit', so I'm curious as to whether 'this', in reality, is what occured in your life, and you, perhaps, just didn't 'know any better!'


Love and Peace,.....your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by kreagle (here)
Star Mariner and mojo,

As I've said, earlier, I personally have never seen a UFO, or entity, ( ET or ED). I'm curious,....have either of you?,....and if so, would you elaborate on your experience(s)?

Thanks for your response here kreagle, this is the first time you’ve asked me about my experiences, and the basis of my beliefs, which I truly do appreciate. This is a big question, so it’s going to be a big answer, and a controversial one, but here goes…

Let me tell you this, first off. My beliefs are not rooted merely in what I’ve ‘read’, or what I’ve seen on youtube etc, I have had first hand experience.

I have seen these craft. Many of them. Many experiences starting in childhood, which picked up big time in 1989 and ran through to the end of the 90’s. I have seen, touched and interacted with the ‘visitors’ who occupied them, during that same period of time. Of course I know I could never make anyone believe that reality who already holds an established paradigm contrary to a belief in UFOs and alien reality. I’ve been there and done that, and there’s often nothing you can really say. But I know it was real, and no-one could possibly claim otherwise.

You know and believe what you know and believe because of a catalyst in your life that made it so. You may call it the day the spirit of God entered into you; the Holy Ghost, and the speaking in tongues, or whatever it was that was your personal revelation. But it was a personal, enlightening experience that told you: this is real.

This is how we define our reality at the end of the day. It shapes our actual awareness of things, and not merely our beliefs: it is what we see, touch, hear… experience which carries the greatest weight of all. Would you not agree?

That is the story and background of your entire Christian paradigm, kreagle, I’m sure of it. And no-one can tell you otherwise, or take any of that away from you. And don’t think for one second I doubt a word of what you say. I know it was real, because there is nothing in your belief structure of God, Jesus, and the messages he brings, which conflicts with my own.

Yours doesn’t conflict with mine, but mine does conflict with yours, as you see it, just as yours may also conflict with a Buddhist or an Atheist or whatever. As you would try explaining more to him/her of your perspective, I will try and tell you more of my own…

Star Mariner, I can understand how you might 'reject the fallen angel concept', based upon many of your 'other views'. However, your claim that 'their crafts are machines, and not apparitions' doesn't line up with many of the 'witnesses and contactees' that I've read about, coupled with a great deal of information I have viewed on videos, etc. Many of these 'eye witness accounts' testify to the fact that 'they suddenly appeared, and/or, suddenly disappeared into thin air.' According to 'them' it was not because of 'rapid speed' , going or coming, but that they appeared to be coming from a 'different dimension other than ours!'

That is simply explained by their incredible technology. First of all they can very literally ‘warp’ the heck out of wherever they are at unbelievable speed by ‘negating’ the space between two points in space, which gives the impression of suddenly vanishing. But yes they also can slip out of our perceived reality - ‘translocation’ in effect. This may be hard to grasp but our ‘reality’ is layered like an onion, with different vibrations or ‘frequencies’ – octaves – of matter, if you like. They can literally be occupying our physical space, just ‘out of phase’ with our frequency. And they will be invisible and undetectable.

So I do not deny, these dimensions exist, and there is physicality in those dimensions just like here, but the quality of the matter is different, finer, lighter, and more spiritual. Here, Earth, this is the bloody lowest of them all! Don’t confuse these other realms with the ‘astral plane’, where negative entities roam, and can on occasion be a menace! But they are disembodied – the spirits of… well, not nice people in this life who, after passing over, got stuck there, because they do not love the Light and could go no further.

But ETs. Chalk and cheese. These ETs come from higher up the frequency ladder from us. But mate even I can’t quite fully comprehend how it works, because how can a 3-dimensional brain comprehend a super-dimensional construct? It can’t.

Jesus himself appeared to ‘vanish’ after his resurrection … and then reappear somewhere else before vanishing again. He was materializing/dematerializing. But he didn’t go nowhere, and certainly he didn’t slip into some dark under-realm between appearances. He could change his vibration at will, shifting between this dimension and up into another.

Don’t Christians consider a concept similar to this in the process of rapture?

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I know this sounds confusing, because we have Jesus possessing a mental/spiritual capacity to shift, and then UFO’s which use technology. It’s easier just to imagine that the ETs down-shift their vibration in order to physically interact in our lower, denser vibration. And to function here and travel from A to B there, they use technology. I can’t explain it much better than that.

Angels,...good, or bad,........unfallen, or fallen,......fully have the ability to do exactly this. They can 'materialize' and 'de-materialize' with ease. The 'same identical traits' you attribute towards these 'entities', ( ET's to you), apply precisely towards the 'unfallen, and fallen' angels, ( ED's in my mind). Your words, brother,......they 'are far ahead of us in every conceivable way.'

Yes they are! But Mankind from a few thousand years ago obviously wouldn’t understand extra-terrestrial visitation. ‘Angels’ (fallen or otherwise) would undoubtedly be the only term he could attribute to what he was experiencing. This confused, homogenized labelling needs to be changed, refined, to see ETs as ETs, and Angels as Angels, etc.

It would be useful to classify these entities thus, to better understand:

• ETs: Extra-terrestrial beings, sentient species that developed on other worlds.
  
  
• Angels: Spiritual ‘angelic beings’. In the higher echelons of our own spirit world, or Heaven, indigenous to our Earth, there are a whole host of light-beings, ‘angels’ if you will, that again are far beyond our conception. But they are Spirit, and they are most definitely Positively orientated, but they are entirely non-corporeal, disincarnate, and most if not all have never incarnated here (on the Earth plane).
  
  
• Spirit Beings: You and me – people, the pure essence of who and what we are in our native state, and what we return to in the spirit realm (Heaven) after death.
  
  
• Astral Beings: Negative human-beings (prior to second death/shedding of the etheric body) trapped in the limbo place between Earth/physicality and the Spirit World of Light. The properties of this dark and heavy realm are in direct alignment to the nature/vibration manifested by the experiencer. In a sense: ‘Hell’. (I don’t know, but it may be that a polarized opposite of ‘angels’ exist down here. I guess that would be your ‘demon’-kind.)
  
  
• EDs: Extra-dimensionals. Energy beings, including elementals, that exist in other realms, even other universes, far removed from our own. ‘Some’ could be classed of ‘ETs’ – or rather were once ETs, but have ascended beyond the need for any kind of physicality/biology/technology, and exist as pure Light/Thought/Energy.

Thus, some ETs may appear ‘extra-dimensional’ even supernatural, but that is only because they have surpassed our quality of physicality, and have attained a higher, more advanced state of ‘ascended’ existence. And it is possible to ‘ascend’ to this next level up (and there are at least 10 levels between us and ‘God’) and not be positively orientated. That does not necessarily mean ‘evil’, but instead what is called ‘service-to-self’ (ie not others – the act of holding love in for ourselves, rather than giving it freely – our world is full of those! and by no means all are ‘evil’).

If these so-called ‘service-to-self’ ETs were evil, we would not be here now talking about it. They are simply immersed in ‘service-to-self’ activities here. As far as I can tell they are harvesting Human DNA for certain attributes, then hybridizing it, and introducing the net result into their own gene-pool. These attributes (which they lack) are believe it or not closely centred around our capacity for spirituality, our indomitable strength of will, and our sense of emotion and compassion which has atrophied in their own race. Yes there is other stuff they are doing with our military. Non-interference from our authorities in exchange for technology. Which isn’t good to be honest, but there you go…

I am sure there are quite negative ones as well, negative in how you would interpret the word – even malevolent. Some talk about the Reptilians, which are to some degree kept in check by the positive ETs. I don’t know for sure to be honest. I only know about the reality which I have experienced, just as you know only about your own reality. Anything else we can only speculate about.

I have never come to harm in my interactions, I am still here. The beings I experienced have been both positive as well as… indifferent, is the best way to term it. Some have been filled with love, while others extremely clinical, scientific, unemotional, but not ‘evil’. This is their lack of emotion in action. But they have a society and a culture which developed on another planet, in another system. They manipulate science, materials, and natural law in order to achieve an end: technology, just as we do. There are living, breathing, corporeal beings, just as we are. They are not the ‘Astral entities’ – shades who flit around in the dark layers of a netherworld. They are species, they are biological people from elsewhere in the universe. They are not part of this fallen angels concept because, more than anything else, they not even ‘of the earth.’

It is so unthinkable to me to believe that we, a virus of a civilization, on a tiny speck of a planet in a remote arm of the galaxy, and amongst a host of several hundred billion galaxies, can be the sum total of THE CREATION. And that we would hence brand any other life out there (and I am sure it is teeming with it), as ‘fallen’, or some sort of demon. This is the thought of dark age superstition that knew no better. But now, we do know better.

Hundreds of Exo-Planets have now been discovered, and as science develops the number will increase.



Gliese 667 being a typical example. Do not underplay the magnificence and diversity of our Universe.

There is nothing unbiblical or unchristian about life elsewhere in this galaxy, or even in this solar system in the shape of microbes on Mars or whatever. There is nothing in scripture that insists that ‘life’ can’t develop space technology, far more advanced than our own space technology, that would be capable of travelling to Earth to visit us. Believe me, if we had the tech to travel to the stars, we’d do exactly the same as they do. Explore. Reach out… and touch/feel/know the rest of Creation.

The biggest mistake we can make is to be so conceited as to think ‘we’ are the pinnacle, or that we are the centre of it all. Remember: billions of planets, billions of stars, in billions of galaxies. They are real. They are observable. They are out there.

mojo, as you can see by my response to Star Mariner, I'm in agreement there are good, ( unfallen), and bad, ( fallen), angels. Unfortunately it appears that the 'fallen angels' are the ones who garner most of the attention and make all the 'news highlights', ( ie.,......abductions, deception, hybrid programs, etc.)

Here we come to the crux of it… The positive ETs are only able to assist in subtle ways. You will not believe this one iota… but if it were not for them, we would not be here now, my friend. We would have annihilated ourselves in nuclear horror perhaps decades ago. Check out the many, many instances and testimonies of military personal who have witnessed and recorded ‘UFO’s tampering with missile silos and bombs tests etc. They are saying to the evil men in our world: ‘no you don’t! We will not allow you to harm this world!’ and ‘We are watching!’ And they are. We owe much of our continued survival in this the most perilous phase in our entire history, to them.

And where is God’s part in this, Jesus’s, the angels? Consider why don’t you that the positive ET’s are performing a mission on their behalf. Ezekiel himself would claim no less…

[Akasha]

Dear Kreagle, as a vegetarian I would respectfully like to share some thoughts on the topic of diet. I know it became rather heated some pages back but please bear with me if you will.

Firstly let's look at three different versions of Genesis 1.29

King James Version: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

English Standard Version: And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

New International Version: Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Now it is clear from all of the above versions of Genesis 1.29 that the pre-fall diet did not include meat. No debate there and certainly no sandwich references.

With that in mind I would like to share my thoughts on Isaiah 65.17-25. For those that don't know, the context of Isaiah's prophecy is with regard to a new Heaven and a new Earth. Whilst he does not prophesy specifically about the new Earth diet for humans, he presents a clue in the first half of verse 25 by prophecying that the animals will return to their pre-fall diet when he says that "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox." (NIV)

Now your comments with regard to Isaiah 65.25 were:

"Sounds like there's going to be a 'complete dietary change' to me, in reference to what we read from Isaiah's prophetic vision, doesn't it? This should make you 'very happy',....and I am, very much, looking forward to it myself,.....especially the 'peaceful conditions' that will usher in along with this!"

Kreagle, I submit to you that the vegetarian diet is a very important "peaceful condition" in the ushering in of the new Earth. I'm sure I can speak for most if not all vegetarians when I say that it is a peace-inducing diet. The carnivorous diet is obviously based on violence rather than peace.
With that in mind I would especially like to thank you for your above comments because it shows a willingness, when the time comes, to return to the pre-fall diet.

In light of the above we are faced with a very important question: when will that time be? Will it come when we, as well as turning our lives around in other ways, return to the pre-fall diet based on the recognition that it is one of the active precursors in a palpable, tangible transition to the New Earth which Isaiah spoke of or will that time come about when the divine wand is waved, the heavens are opened and the rider on the white horse descends?

In my eyes a return to the Edenic state will not happen with us looking up into the clouds and waiting faithfully and patiently for the second coming of Christ. Most if not all biblical scholars would agree that Revelation is there to be decoded, not taken literally. I'm sure you yourself have your own favoured interpretation of that book. With that in mind, I respectfully propose that the new Earth will be brought about by a critical mass of people who, above all things, have decided to choose love and have aligned themselves with all the ramifications of that decision.

Now if you are "very much, looking forward to" that dietary change yourself, why wait?

All the best.

[greybeard]

Posted by kreagle (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Some say that Kundalini awakened is a great blessing and that it is the Holy Spirit moving within the body.
When that happened spontaneously to me I had no knowledge of Kundalini, I had not even heard the word Kundalini, so it could not have been influenced by the experiences of any other
The awakening brought great peace and quietened a previously noisy mind, that is a marvellous gift in a troubled world.

Chris

Hey greybeard,

Long time, no see, brother! Great to hear from you again!

I would be very interested in your testimony, or what exactly happened and transpired when you had this 'experience' in your life. How long ago was it, and how old were you at the time. What had you done, or measures had you taken in order to 'set yourself up' to receive this 'experience'? What 'manifestations', ( mental, physical, or spiritual), occured to signal to you that something 'profound' had taken place? Could you elaborate and explain precisely what you underwent in clarity, brother? Since you relate in your post, here, that you had never heard the word, 'Kundalini', and 'had no knowledge' of such, how did you know, ( or who told you), that this is what 'happened to you?' You do mention the term, 'Holy Spirit', so I'm curious as to whether 'this', in reality, is what occured in your life, and you, perhaps, just didn't 'know any better!'


Love and Peace,.....your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

Hi kreagle
I will do my best.
This link covers a lot.
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/d...-views-IDK142/

Dr David Hawkins (see obituary here https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post562640) a member of the Episcopalian church commented that Kundalini could be compared to The Holy Spirit.

The personal point.
When I was 46 thats twenty years ago, I was kneeling on a meditation stool when all of a sudden my body started to rotate from the waist-- my forehead nearly touching the floor--- I knew I had not made this happen-- I stopped it and the body rotated the other way--- all accompanied by a very pleasant feeling-- no fear.

When meditating I was beginning to get a tingling on the scalp and a strong pulling at the forehead and a feeling of brushing on my cheeks very gentle and loving--- there was also a feeling of energy moving up my spine.


I had several spiritual friends, some went to Yoga- some just meditated. I shared what had happened and one said that sounds like Kundalini. He knew a person in London who had spent time studying the subject.
I phoned him and he sent me a news letter which had ten symptoms of K awakening I had 6 out of ten.

To cut a long story short I went to the ashram of the author of the book in the link above.

While there I had some amazing experiences--- filled with overwhelming love for everyone there-- states of bliss.
When I got home I thought oh well that was just because of being on the ashram but no, states continued in or out of meditation.

By accident I found an ability to heal had been gifted to me.
I was sitting in church with a friend of my aunts at aunts funeral--- I hardly knew her--- I felt energy flow out of my side towards her-- I said nothing but afterwards she had said that she felt an energy enter her body and attributed it to me.
She said she was due a spine opperation which might save her life or leave her paralysed--she was an ex nursing sister-- she was due a pre opp examination and to the surgeons surprise the growth and associated problems had gone.

There were quite a few similar events after that.

The energy continues to flow up the spine and now there is a stirring, a movement in the spiritual heart (right side of the body but near center)

Of myself I do nothing kreagle-- I dont claim to the healer, I can ask for it and I always ask that it only be done if it is the will of God in Whom I trust.

The link here below also gives excellent information.

I appreciate what you do kreagle-- I see the love and open mindedness within you.
With love
Chris

http://www.thesoulsjourney.com/kundalini.html

[kreagle]

Akasha,

Finally back, brother. You bring up some 'excellent points', my friend,....but I'm sure you would agree with me that eating all the 'asparagus and celery stalks' in the world is not going to change the 'horrific events that mankind is bringing upon this planet.' Don't get me wrong, brother, for I agree with your premise, along with some words of advice by Krulllenjongen, where he admitted that we 'all' would be better off to either 'significantly reduce, or completely eliminate' our consumption of meat,...especially red meat.

It's going to definitely take the full return of our Lord, Jesus, and the successful setup of His Kingdom Age, before we are going to see those results that the prophet Isaiah was prophesying about. When I spoke these words,... "Sounds like there's going to be a 'complete dietary change' to me, in reference to what we read from Isaiah's prophetic vision, doesn't it?", I was actually making reference to the point of the 'lion',....'"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox." (NIV) Now 'that's a dietary change! However, I do completely agree, and would expect that 'among those many changes of,...dietary,....and especially peaceful conditions', that we, ourselves will be drastically, ( and thankfully!), gloriously changed, too!

While the vegetarian diet, no doubt, promotes 'peaceful conditions',....I am fully convinced that I can 'better serve my fellow man' in a more productive/peaceful way, ( for now), by demonstrating a 'faithful walk, and testimony of God', more-so than what I am 'eating off of my plate'.

I, ( as you, no doubt, too), am very much, looking forward to 'that day' that Isaiah spoke of, but there's many more 'steps to take' before we get there, my dear friend!


Your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[Akasha]

Posted by kreagle (here)
Delete post until later time

...but not as late as 4.35 am again, eh?!!!

[greybeard]

As an add to my previous post I would like to say that the awakening happened in total isolation--- not read about in any book-- not something shared by some one else prior to the event--- not something witnessed or heard about--- totally out of the blue.

Prior to that through AA I learned to surrender to the will of God and meditate, praying only for knowledge of His will,
So there was ten years of devotion to God prior to the Kundalini awakening.
Im Scottish and obviously anything other than Christian religion is some what alien to our culture-- at least that was the way some years back.
There is no way that the K awakening and abilities were inspired by anything within me or my culture or knowledge.

So there you have my direct experience--- not second hand--- very real and sometimes over whelming to me.

With love
Chris

[kreagle]

Posted by Akasha (here)

Posted by kreagle (here)
Delete post until later time

...but not as late as 4.35 am again, eh?!!!

HaHaHa!,....Brother, I hope not, but with me you never know. I'm about to be 'out of pocket' for a little while, but I'll be back to 'edit and use that slot' and not let it go to waste! Once 'edited and used' people will look at this post and say,....."what in the world are they talking about?"

Love and Peace, brother,..........kreagle

[kreagle]

greybeard,

Thanks, so much, for answering my question, as to your 'experience' with Kundalini. I have to admit that I was somewhat surprised by your 'initial response' and connecting this 'event' with the Holy Spirit, and was wondering where that comparison was coming from. You adequately answered that question in your opening remarks that it was per,...'Dr David Hawkins a member of the Episcopalian church commented that Kundalini could be compared to The Holy Spirit.' Let me say, that I am so sorry to hear of his passing.

As an add to my previous post I would like to say that the awakening happened in total isolation--- not read about in any book-- not something shared by some one else prior to the event--- not something witnessed or heard about--- totally out of the blue.

Prior to that through AA I learned to surrender to the will of God and meditate, praying only for knowledge of His will,
So there was ten years of devotion to God prior to the Kundalini awakening.

Your 'added post' was especially helpful because of one of my 'inner questions', as noted.......

What had you done, or measures had you taken in order to 'set yourself up' to receive this 'experience'?

I feel that a person can, and does, 'set themselves up' for these types of events by the actions he/she takes, and you adequately relate exactly what you did, as I indicated by highlighting in bold black.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that 'after you completed your steps of setting yourself up' for your 'experience' that you arrived at your 'choice of destination!'

Once again,....in your words,.....

Prior to that through AA I learned to surrender to the will of God and meditate, praying only for knowledge of His will,
So there was ten years of devotion to God prior to the Kundalini awakening.

Notice the 'work you put in, brother,....which is fully indicated, and sandwiched between, those two 'prior to' comments! And 'ten years', to boot!


I too, greybeard, took measures to 'set myself up' for the 'experience' I was seeking, which was to be 'filled with the Holy Ghost', as I've alluded to, earlier.

Once I complete 'my personal steps', I too, was rewarded and arrived at my 'choice of destination.' The 'evidence' that I had arrived at my 'experience' was that I, ( as earlier noted), 'spoke in other tongues, as the Spirit gave me the utterance!' It was beyond glorious, and as the Bible says,....'joy unspeakable!'

And as 'you've shared with me', and 'all' of us, the steps you took, 'prior to' receiving your 'experience',......likewise, I will share 'mine with you', brother!

During the month of December, 1980, through late January, 1981, I had attended Church, with my wife on a 'sporadic basis' to begin with, which became 'regular' by mid-January. I also was being 'taught a Bible study', at my home, during this time, which was becoming very instrumental in me being 'introduced to His Word'

All of this 'set the stage' for the 'first step' that I really took in His direction and that was the step called 'repentance'. Now, no one had to explain to me that I really needed to 'repent', because brother,......'I can assure you that I already knew I was a sinner, and if anyone needed repentance, it was me!'

After pouring out my heart to God, and consequently feeling the awful 'burden of sin' lifted off of me by a merciful God, I obediently went towards the 'second step' by being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of my sins, and this occured on January 30, 1981.

From there, I would spend the next 23 days 'earnestly seeking God,....believing in Him with all my heart,....praying diligently unto to Him',....and consequently, my efforts were finally rewarded on February 22, 1981, for it was on that glorious day that I received the 'third step', and was 'filled with the Holy Ghost', as indicated above and in exactly the manner in which I have explained.

For 23 days, I 'sought Him with all my heart', and my perseverance finally 'paid off!'

Perseverance pays off,....doesn't it, greybeard?

Hebrews 11:6(KJV)

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Little did I know, or fully understand, it,( then), but it was by those 'three steps', that I spoke of above, and 'took and completed' back in 1981, that enabled me to, likewise, complete in a 'spiritual way', ( not 'natural', of course),....the death,....burial,.....and resurrection, of our Lord, Jesus Christ. I really 'was',.....'taking up my cross,....and following Him!'

When the Apostle Peter was asked by a 'sincere and inquisitive crowd' on the Day of Pentecost,....."men and brethren,.....what shall we do?",.....here is how he responded with the same ' 3 step plan',.....

Acts 2:37-39 (KJV)

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


greybeard, you and I, brother, have had some pretty 'interesting experiences',...haven't we, my friend?

I dug,.....deeply, precisely, and exclusively,.....within the Word of God and extracted and embraced them, for myself.

You dug,....it seems, just as deeply,...certainly a lot longer, ( ten years worth),....in the best place you knew,.....and equally have extracted and embraced your 'experience', also!

Our 'experiences' may not have, (exactly), 'both come from the same place',....

But, brother,.....aren't you glad you took the 'steps you did',....and persevered?


Love and Peace,.....your brother, friend, and servant,.........kreagle

post update:

By the way, Chris, your 'avatar' and the picture you portray, ( along with the 'posts' you write), speaks 'volumes about you', my dear friend!,...( and it's 'all' good, too!) I 'see and hear' nothing but gentleness and kindness, as it is written 'all over your words and your face!' I hope that one day, fate will bring us together, for a 'bite to eat, and a chat'. I would love that, dearly,..my friend!

Love and Peace,....kreagle, ( by the way, my name is Ken)

[greybeard]

Thank you Ken for sharing your experience.
The words may be different but the action taken similar--- devotional.
The end result may seem different but they are the result of God's grace and our endeavour.
Seek ye first The Kingdom of God. For me everything else palls into insignificance---not of lasting value.
Our paths may be somewhat difference but the love is the same--- what else is there to say!!!

With love Chris

[kreagle]

Star Mariner,

It may come as a complete surprise to you, but I have studied, in detail, the contents of what you have presented here for a long, long, time. From the anomalies on the moon, mars, Jupiter's moon Europa and the 'monolith' it has on it's surface, to 'civilizations' evidence, to missiles in silos being deactivated, and on, and on.
I've watched countless videos, and documentaries on the subject, 'extraterrestrial life', along with much of the works of Stephen Greer, Richard Dolan, John Lear, Phil Schneider (deceased), just to name a 'few'. I'm aware of the account where President Dwight D. Eisenhower flew in Air Force 1 to a base in Texas and boarded a 'flying saucer' that landed there, ( while another flying saucer hovered over them), and made 'treaties and agreements' with it's 'alien occupants'. Of my YouTube library, and the various personal folders I've collected, you would think my 'religious folder' would be the largest one,.....but guess what?,.....my 'outer space/paranormal activity folder outranks, by far, the bulk of my collection. So you see, my friend, I've spent a considerable amount of time on 'educating myself' on 'whats going on out there' because I am, indeed, concerned over this.

In light of your personal testimony,....guess what?,.....I totally believe you! You have shown yourself, to this point, to be nothing but 'trustworthy', so I have absolutely no reason to 'not' believe you.

My 'only point' in all of this is that I am convinced, (and comfortable with), that 'these' alien 'entities' are, indeed, ED's or extradimensional.

What you have seen as a 'benevolent nature' and one of 'goodwill and protection' from them,....to me is seen as an overall attempt to 'deceive mankind' into thinking that they are our 'watchers'. To me, if they really were ordained, by God, to be 'our watchers' then they, in turn, would readily, and specifically, acknowledge Jesus as the One who is deserving of the praise of such benevolence, and not themselves,.....and I've never heard of them doing this! Their agenda has always been geared to 'take our minds off of Jesus',......and certainly not to 'trust in Him!'


Matthew 24:24-25 (KJV)

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.


Before you 'completely buy into this, brother',.......BUYER BEWARE!!!


As always,.....your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by kreagle (here)
Star Mariner,
In light of your personal testimony,....guess what?,.....I totally believe you! You have shown yourself, to this point, to be nothing but 'trustworthy', so I have absolutely no reason to 'not' believe you.

Many thanks kreagle, and I mean that. I did not know that you’d looked into this subject that deeply, so I was quite surprised to hear it.

My 'only point' in all of this is that I am convinced, (and comfortable with), that 'these' alien 'entities' are, indeed, ED's or extradimensional.

I guess first of all we need to gain a perfectly rounded understanding of what ‘extra-dimensional’ actually is, and means. Even our best scientific understanding cannot define what it is, where it is, and how it fits into the construct of the Universe.

But whatever ‘ED’ might mean, you be might right kreagle. Even though your interpretation disagrees with my own, you might be right. How could I say otherwise? It just comes down to the fact that I have of course never been to their ‘home planet’. I ‘believe’ where they come from, but I’ve never actually seen and experienced where they come from.

You believe they are purely extra-dimensional, though that can never be an absolute reality to you or anyone else unless demonstrated/proved to you. So all we really are left with at the end of the day is belief.

Belief transfigured into faith, is all. Because I have faith in God, Spirit, Jesus, and in love. Not matter what else is said here, on this matter we together are on the same page.

But I would like to close with one final thing, and I hope some food for thought…

When Jesus came to walk among us he did not come down to write a thesis on life, the Universe and Everything. These matters are left in our hands to. This is what drives us forward as a civilization. Jesus came only to teach us the basics, because at the time we had the basics so very wrong.

And why do I say basics? Well, I think there’s a lot more to it. I am alerted to this verse from St. John:

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

That is just to say ‘there’s more to it than you know, my friends. More than you can ever know…’

[Akasha]

Thanks for your replies, Kreagle. In light of your reply to my post regarding diet, how do you perceive Revelation? Literally, allegorically, or a bit of both?

[kreagle]

Posted by Akasha (here)
Thanks for your replies, Kreagle. In light of your reply to my post regarding diet, how do you perceive Revelation? Literally, allegorically, or a bit of both?

Akasha,

There is quite a large amount of the Book of Revelation that I particularly don't feel the freedom, ( or even the permission), of the Spirit of God to expound upon without getting involved in what I would call, 'guesswork'. I'm sure you can pick up, by now, that I am not the type of individual who would go down that slippery slope, just for the sake of having a discussion. I will say that I tend to, exclusively, stay with the 'literal' view of Revelation, which I'm also sure doesn't surprise you.

I do feel that a lot of the 'experts' who have freely expressed themselves on this Book may, or may not, know what they are talking about. I'm really not sure if 'anyone' has fully, and accurately, interpreted the complete magnitude of the Book of Revelation, as seen and recorded by the Apostle John.

I also understand that this will be a time of 'great calamity' for the forces of evil, along with mankind who has failed to earlier secure their salvation.

Even now, quite frankly, I find it very difficult writing about this Book, the Book of Revelation. One thing I know for sure, is, you don't want to catch yourself in a position of having to see and witness it for yourself! It will be too late, then!

My area of 'comfort', where I feel the freedom, and endorsement, of His Spirit, is to speak and expound upon areas of His Gospel Message, so we don't have to witness 'that day' from the 'wrong side'.

I hope I was a some help to you, here.


Your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[kreagle]

Star Mariner,

I guess first of all we need to gain a perfectly rounded understanding of what ‘extra-dimensional’ actually is, and means. Even our best scientific understanding cannot define what it is, where it is, and how it fits into the construct of the Universe.

You are right, brother, about understanding the term 'extra-dimensional'. Besides the 3D world we live in, I understand there is suppose to be up to eleven 'dimensions' that we have yet to discover, or understand. Pretty wild if you ask me. It just seems, by definition of the word, ( ED, extra-dimensional), that this is 'exactly what they, ( fallen, and unfallen, angels), do and is how they 'pop in and out' of our 'dimension in which we live'.

I have seen these craft. Many of them. Many experiences starting in childhood, which picked up big time in 1989 and ran through to the end of the 90’s. I have seen, touched and interacted with the ‘visitors’ who occupied them, during that same period of time. Of course I know I could never make anyone believe that reality who already holds an established paradigm contrary to a belief in UFOs and alien reality. I’ve been there and done that, and there’s often nothing you can really say. But I know it was real, and no-one could possibly claim otherwise

You didn't exactly elaborate on exactly what 'they' looked like and I wonder if you would care to do so, in that I am interested. Also, what 'types of conversations' did you carry on with them? Did the subject of 'God' ever come up?

Your friend, brother, and servant,.......kreagle