Ancient Aliens Theory Debunked

[Ishtar]

On my forum, Ishtar's Gate, we have many archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists and mythologists and other kinds of researchers who find the claims of the ancient aliens theorists to be at best deluded and at worst, completely false. Most of what's attributed to ancient aliens can be sourced to a misunderstanding about the intelligence and technical capabilities of our earliest ancestors.

This misunderstanding has been deliberately developed and fostered by the powers-that-be through Darwinism and false science. There is a very deliberate and sustained alien agenda being promoted from the highest levels of the shadow world government and for this reason, they don't want us to know how intelligent and capable our ancestors were, and how much of their knowledge and wisdom has been destroyed. I know personally several archaeologists who were vilified and run out of their jobs because they found evidence which went against Darwin's theories about the evolution of man and his cognitive abilities.

(For example, the official date for when man had enough intelligence to use boats to sail the seas across the globe is 7,000 years BC. However, there is evidence for man sailing to Crete around 130,000 years ago. That's just one example.)

Anyway, this is such a vast subject that it's difficult to get another point of view across to people who aren't dedicated to engaging with a lot of research, especially if someone has become psychologically predisposed (as psy-ops has ensured many are) to believe in the ancient astronauts theory. So I was very pleased to see that this video has been released which deals with many of the most of the popular misunderstandings.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

I know some people on this forum do believe in ancient aliens (and even present day aliens) and I respect your views. But I would just ask you to keep an open mind and listen to another point of view, and then after that, you will have all the evidence to make up your own mind.

[Cidersomerset]

High Ishtar I have watched Ancient Aliens and enjoy the concept and speculation and think there maybe something to it.
I also like mainstream Archeology and have watched most Time Team episodes since it started and am a military history buff.
Its a bit like two politcal parties at the moment if one says its good the other will spin the other way..LOl..
There is no doubt the history of modern man is going back Gobekli Tepi has pushed back mainstream archeology this year
closer to the 12000 year old cataclysm the like of Graham Hancock talks about .There is definately a lot out there modern
archeology like astromony wont touch....Its not in the text books so its not in their paradigm as far as I can see !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3JdAJpo6Lxk

Even the BBC accept this was built 12000 years ago ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0ViMVxKZA

PS there was a thread about this recently, which i did not reply on as the angle it was
coming from was to black & white for my liking....When the whole of reality is made
from' 50 shades of 'GREYS' pardon the pun ! ..LOL..Steve

[Ishtar]

Hi Steve

From my point of view, I'm not saying that there aren't aliens "out there somewhere"... in a universe of this size, it's inevitable that there must be other forms of life. It's just that when I'm shown what purports to be evidence of such, it's clear to me that I'm being lied to (because I know the full story of which I'm only being given half, or a few cherry picked, selected facts which ignore other less convenient bits of the story). That's why this video is so good. It lays out all the facts of each key story, and then the viewer can decide for themselves. It's not telling them what to think, which so much psy-ops propaganda does.

That Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 years old has been known for a long time. But even the BBC don't attribute it to aliens because they know our ancestors then were well capable of creating it. They were actually building boats 125,000 years before that!

Great pun about 50 Shades of Greys, by the way! (Wish I'd thought of it!)

[Cidersomerset]

That Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 years old has been known for a long time. But even the BBC don't attribute it to aliens because they know our ancestors then were well capable of creating it.

Thats right but only recently have they agreed that our ancestors were capable....They are getting closer to Grahams work imo even if they won't admit it ..LOl..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bVBq5KT1EM8

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...unday-viewing-..

[Ishtar]

Yes, and even then, the BBC has a loooooooong way to go before admitting how intelligent our ancestors really were and how far back, such as from how they carved their tools, we can see that they knew the Golden Mean (aka phi) 400,000 years ago.

Here's some links that may interest you:

Our ancestors knew the Golden Mean 400,000 years ago

Neanderthals made jewellry before modern man

Written communications 60,000 years ago, on ostrich shells

Suppressed New Evidence on when Man Entered the Americas

30,000 year old ivory workshop found in Germany

25,000 year old animated cave paintings found in France


I have a lot of respect for Graham Hancock's views. I don't agree with him on everything, but most things.

[Cidersomerset]

Archeologists tell us the Temple of Jupitor was built by the Romans on existing ruins
with their equivolent of cranes and pulleys. The Romans were great engineers!!



With equipment like this they built impressive structures...


http://www.toledoblade.com/Technolog...ty-Bridge.html





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http://atheism.about.com/od/religiou...nant-Woman.htm

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CC04CgoT7gY

Built by Giants for the Biblical King Nimrod ....Arab tradition....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q3xhcQXgIvM

OR

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=blRrvnpva1s

OR

This is a interresting vid...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0jwJXls8gJ8

Ancient Egyptian stone work: Did they have access to high-tech tools?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qUpkrkU1BfY

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The Stone Mason has great skill but is working with a steal chisel not Copper !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RIYWTEiabpc

This is an ancient technique used by stonemasons all over the world, in this particular case a sawyer, who is warily cutting these rough blocks, to a required size, using nothing but a precise series of different-sized chisels and meticulous blows, notice how the thumping sounds play an important role in finding that perfect spot for the next hit, landing all the blows in the exact place, right on the vein of the rock, there is only one way to split such solid stone, and that is by finding and consistently hitting the vein, it is a tricky task that an experience sawyer will pull off in a matter of seconds. Notice how the stonemason carefully carves a clear-cut and well defined gap and after he shoves a shorter, yet broader chisel, to finally finish the job with some sledgehammer action.

Sure enough all the accurate hits split open the solid rock, notice the precision of every single hit, and after each hit, the stonemason quickly twists the chisels before placing them in the next spot, finding this next spot is another difficult part of the job.

This film was recorded in the Southeastern part of Brazil, in the state of Sao Paulo, this was an area first colonized by the Portuguese, and later by Italians, mostly likely this was a technique inherited from the first European settlers.

[Ishtar]

Yes, Baalbek is really interesting. Cartomancer's got a lot of stuff on that.

Well, the Romans were great engineers, as were the Egyptians before them. I think the main problem is that we're taught to believe that our ancestors could not do stuff that we can no longer do, because the knowledge about how to do it has been destroyed.

[Cidersomerset]

And the Greeks, Chinese, Britons and other cultures ..LOL...You have set me off Ishtar ..LOL
Not sure where I'll end up yet ....I know you know what I'm posting, but people looking in
maynot.....







All this is mainstream and beautiful human architecture.....

[Ishtar]

Ancient Aliens Debunked deals with the Pyramids and Baalbek in this 14 minute section and it explains how the granite was cut (with no need for alien diamond laser cutters! )

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3zkzZM51LyE

[The Arthen]

Any angle's good. Thanks for so many folks providing all of this.

[Cidersomerset]

Otzi the Iceman is aprox 5300 yrs old....



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His story is well documented...from the original 1993 BBC Horizon programme
to this presentation...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dZJpRTrYDeI

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I do not see why ancient aliens or man could not have evolved or visited us in the past...

If we have gone to the moon or there is a secret space programme or ET's are visiting
all subjects we speculate and talk openly on here about !! because mainstream won't !



Human Astronaughts ...2012....







Stone Age Humans 2012...There are still human living happily today in the remote parts of the world untill modern man disrupts them with progress !!

Watching the 'Gods' from the skies!!......... Like possibly our ancestors .....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sLErPqqCC54

New tribe discovered in Papua New Guinea

Posted on Tuesday, 29 June, 2010 | 29 comments | News tip by: Still Waters

A new tribe of hunter gatherers who live in trees has been discovered in the Papua New Guinea.

A tribe of hunter gatherers living in trees in the remote forests of Indonesia's easternmost Papua region has been discovered for the first time by the country's census, an official said on Thursday.

"Their houses are in trees, their life is stone age," said Suntono, head of Indonesia's statistics agency for the Papua region, adding the tribe built ladders to huts in tall trees.



http://www.cd-traveller.com/2012/03/...e-age-culture/



http://blaquereporters.blogspot.co.u...zed-world.html

The only other comment about the remaining Stone age tribes found over the last couple
hundred years none as far as I know had any grand stone buildings which makes you
think how did our stone age ancestors get 'kicked started' ?? Oh, We became farmers !!

Which I guess, thats what this thread is about !! LOL...

As I said ....50 shades of ' Greys'.....LOL...


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The Ancient Alien seeries for me is like , Coast to Coast put on TV....Entertaining with some threads of truth and many exagerated interpretations.
But better than nothing. Mainstream Archaelogy is based on interpretation as well....

Tony Robinson does a great quote on Time Team , which I could not find. Its on the lines
of get four different Archaeoligists in a room and you will get four different theories !!

So much for mainstream !!..LOL...Steve

[Kano]

Very cool. I'm interested in learning more.

[WhiteFeather]

Ishtar are there suggestions that ancient man actually utilized 100 percent of its grey brain matter. Hereby being able to create such Goliath Structures and thereby engaging total ingenuity... if you will? This has come to mind, and again no pun intended.

[Ishtar]

Hi Whitefeather .... I don't know if others have theories that man utilised all of his grey matter. It would make sense to me, though!

We also know that the early ancestors practised something similar to what we call today shamanism, and so they were able to gain information and guidance on how to do stuff from their spirit guides in other dimensions, in the same way that the shaman does today. For instance, Amazonian shamans work with the spirits of the plants to gain knowledge about how to use them as medicine. Some people think that the megaliths were built in the same way. Lucy Wyatt has written about this in Approaching Chaos (much recommended!).

[Cidersomerset]

Like Arthur C Clarks Mysterious world I watched as a boy to Grahams later Under World seeries. I know there is more to history than mainstream told/tell us !!


Dwarka, India - 12,000 Year Old City of Lord Krishna Found (Full)

Not great quality vid but you can make it out...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d733X4nYHWg

Dwarka (Dvarka, Dwaraka, or Dvaraka, is a city in Gujarat state in India). Dwarka also known as Dwarawati in Sanskrit literature is rated as one of the seven most ancient cities in the country. The legendary city of Dvaraka was the dwelling place of Lord Krishna. It is believed that due to damage and destruction by the sea, Dvaraka has submerged six times and modern day Dwarka is the 7th such city to be built in the area. According to Hindu legend the god Krishna built a city which was ultimately destroyed by rising sea levels. Now archaeologists and Indian Navy divers are investigating underwater ruins at Dwarka on India's western coast, said to be Krishna's city. The new efforts, it is hoped, will settle the debate currently raging over the age and authenticity of the site near the Samudranaraya temple. Divers have collected blocks and samples which will now be dated. Traditional Hindu scholars referencing ancient Hindu scriptures believe the location to be very ancient, originally built many thousands of years ago. Such notions are, of course, vehemently rejected by establishment scientists though they are willing to concede that there is evidence indicating an age of as much as 3500 years.

Of course the date when the city was destroyed would be long after the date of its inception, so a definitive maximum date has not been established. The new study is expected to resolve some of the issues. Archaeologists will now use the carbon dating technique to determine the exact age of the ruins. The earlier excavations, that first began about 40 years ago, had only revealed stones, beads, glass and terracotta pieces.

Graham Hancock - Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms Of The Ice Age

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Updated vid....

32,000 year old underwater city found - Dwarka. flv

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qgtk1mxgWDU

32,000 year old Ancient city Dwarka found. In Northern India the remains of a city claimed to be Dwarka the City of "Lord Krisha"

This is a good quality vid,,,,

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i cannot find a mainstream article about Dwarka so thats why I cannot find a debunking vid..LOL
unless there is a segment on the debunking vid.I have not watched it all..

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Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge *Full*

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uKyn3FDaTYc

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[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Hi Whitefeather .... I don't know if others have theories that man utilised all of his grey matter. It would make sense to me, though!

We also know that the early ancestors practised something similar to what we call today shamanism, and so they were able to gain information and guidance on how to do stuff from their spirit guides in other dimensions, in the same way that the shaman does today. For instance, Amazonian shamans work with the spirits of the plants to gain knowledge about how to use them as medicine. Some people think that the megaliths were built in the same way. Lucy Wyatt has written about this in Approaching Chaos (much recommended!).

I agree, And your perspective makes clear sense.... especially if we insert the 100 percent brain functions in the mix. The makings of a great recipe. No limitations!

[13th Warrior]

Unlike the creator and narrator of the film "Ancient Aliens Debunked" i never believed the series to be the preeminent authority on the subjects they covered...

I've watched the first hour of the program; there are some good arguments presented but, there is a lot of nit picking going on also.

I am convinced of nothing from both camps.

[Ishtar]

I believe that the ancient astronaut theory relies for its success on people considering the detailed scientific examination of the evidence to be ‘nitpicking’.

I know when I'm being lied to. I know when I'm being manipulated into a certain view. And that's when programmes purporting to be showing the evidence only cherry-pick the facts, or conflate two separate items, or ignore all the other attendant evidence which is inconvenient to their theory, or just basically lie.... and they are just relying on people feeling too over-awed by archaeological research to feel confident enough to examine the evidence for themselves.

That's why I like Chris White's video, because it tells the whole story about each piece of so-called evidence produced in the Ancient Astronauts series, so that people can make up their own minds. And it doesn't feel the need to use a backing sound track of creepy music to try to influence them either ~ for me, creepy music is a dead giveway that someone's trying to appeal to my emotions.

[Cartomancer]

Well this kind of destroys the whole Tsoukolous Von Daniken camp doesn't it? Why would the PTB want to lie to you about the existence of Aliens? Could be that they used this concept from day one to create a heart of darkness by subjugating native peoples with all this poppycock? Likely.

To me its starting to look even as if people came to the new world long before we are being told in an attempt to install this kind of mind control b.s. in the psyche of the aboriginal population. In the end it didn't work and the European powers were forced to return and subjugate the population using conventional means. This is probably the reason we are told Columbus discovered North America when we know people from Europe had been here long before that.

Even the original seed of the ancient aliens myth in the Sumerian cuneiform tablets could have easily been produced to have the same effect on the population there. If you build it they will come.

What is hilarious to me is the fact that Chris White the producer of this 'film' is a seemingly conservative Christian. All of the dogma he believes can be shredded using the same logic he uses here to debunk ancient aliens.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I believe that the ancient astronaut theory relies for its success on people considering the detailed scientific examination of the evidence to be ‘nitpicking’.

I know when I'm being lied to. I know when I'm being manipulated into a certain view. And that's when programmes purporting to be showing the evidence only cherry-pick the facts, or conflate two separate items, or ignore all the other attendant evidence which is inconvenient to their theory, or just basically lie.... and they are just relying on people feeling too over-awed by archaeological research to feel confident enough to examine the evidence for themselves.

That's why I like Chris White's video, because it tells the whole story about each piece of so-called evidence produced in the Ancient Astronauts series, so that people can make up their own minds. And it doesn't feel the need to use a backing sound track of creepy music to try to influence them either ~ for me, creepy music is a dead giveway that someone's trying to appeal to my emotions.

I know when I'm being lied to.

The problem is you've allowed yourself to be deceived; it wasn't Ancient Aliens.

One example of nitpicking that i'm referring to is a thorough debunking of a statement that Georgio Tsoukalos makes where he has clearly stated "in my opinion"

You cannot disprove someones opinion.

It's your choice to believe someones opinion as a fact but, you'd be a fool to do so...

I would like to see more evidence to support the claim that these stone structures where made by using primitive stone hammers/techniques as this is the main basis of argument.

I've gone to the website linked to from the debunking video to look for the links that where said to be provide but, there is nothing...

I am familiar with primitive stone working in the form of "knapping" but, i know very little about the methods described by the Debunking video which seem to be a drastically different method then knapping. Can anyone provide a link(s) to more material on these techniques; i'm especially interested in a video demonstration of the work in-progress?