WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[ulli]

Everyone is really so different, and no one has all talents combined.
So even the mystics have a role to play, as long as they are willing to share their visions...
which may well be memories of future worlds from which they hailed.

The stepping down to earth level and practical applications of such vision needs to go through special stages...like transformers.

If one considers the four elements, fire, earth, air and water, and how they can effect 4 distinct types of human beings
you get the down-to-earth type who puts the invention into the practical realm,
but they must first receive such a message from a fiery enthusiast or a cool headed messenger, or a team of both,..
while they in turn received the message from the visionary mystic who is represented by the element of water.

It can work, if one only understands human nature.

[kudzy]

What do you do before you are enlightened?....."split wood, carry water."
What do you do after you are enlightened?...."split wood, carry water."

Granted, with free energy splitting wood and carrying water would be irrelevant and completely unnecessary. But in relation to Wade's last post you get my point. Besides one might just want to split wood for the fun of it, it's a great way to release built up anger and frustration. And a good ol' fashion campfire might just be a nice way to celebrate and honor our "pre-free energy" past, assuming we make it past the hurdle.

Back to focus on making free energy a reality.

[Wade Frazier]

Yes indeed, Ulli, mystics have their place, as do mothers, businessmen, and scientists. Regarding FE and the real-world, everybody needs to eat, and when people lose sight of that or start ranking mystical stuff over the need to eat, they lose sight of what is important, IMO. It is like Maslow’s Hierarchy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow'...archy_of_needs

or the development of a child. If children ever forget their potty training, they won’t get too far in life. In many areas that I have been involved in, it is amazing to watch people discard the basics for “sophisticated” or mystical stuff, and completely miss the boat, often suicidally. One of my mantras is that the basics never change, and when people ignore them or violate them, thinking that they are operating at a sophisticated level where the basics don’t matter, they are setting themselves up for catastrophe:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#forgetting

I have seen entire disciplines that are in outer-space, thinking that they are on the leading edge of knowledge and awareness, when they are really living in a fantasy world. Virtually the entire economics profession suffers from that condition, for instance, thinking that the financial economy is real and important, and that reducing everything to market dynamics and money is somehow a sophisticated view of the situation. The Indians clearly saw the European obsession with gold and money as delusional.

To a great degree, humanity is not potty-trained, fouling its nest from the beginning, and only increasing its befouling as humans kept harnessing greater levels of energy from Earth and the environment:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

The USA for instance, excels at exporting its waste onto the poor, both within the USA and abroad. When I put any bottle in a recycler, I take the label off, clean it out, and do whatever I can so that the poor East Asian or Pacific Islander who ends up recycling it has an easier time of it. Most Americans have no idea that their plastic gets recycled in poor nations, as do car batteries and other recyclable waste. Venting the waste of fossil fuel burning into the atmosphere is just more of the same, burdening Earth with the refuse of our lifestyles. Resource wars are more evidence of how humanity is not potty-trained, such as the USA’s genocidal invasions of Hydrocarbon Country, with little buddy Great Britain and other sycophants carrying our bags to get their cut of the loot. Slaughtering entire peoples to steal their stuff is the constant dynamic of civilization, going back to the beginning. That is why I say that unless humanity solves the energy issue, and fast, the rest literally won’t matter. Nobody can wax mystically or play the “make a living” game or be an artist on a planet that can’t support complex life. Human “nature” is rarely understood except on the most superficial levels. Wise white scientists realize that the study is in its infancy, and even wiser ones know that our “nature” really does not necessarily say much about our potential.

In this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

everybody knew virtually everything there was to know about the human body and how to be healthy by age six. That won’t be achieved on this planet in my lifetime, but the road to that world is paved by people developing comprehensive thinking, because everybody in that world was a comprehensivist, and it all began in the heart. People still had their specialties, but they all knew the basics of how their world worked, on a level that would make them all polymaths never seen before in today’s primitive world. Seeing the big picture is required for getting humanity over the hump, so the efforts are not wasted by hacking at branches and even being counterproductive. We need to aim at the root, which is the energy situation and always has been. Godzilla knows this well, and while nearly everybody hacks at branches, if they hack at all, he has the game well in hand, on our sled ride to oblivion. It can be different, but not when virtually nobody even sees the root, much less goes after it.

Best,

Wade

P.S. Hi Kudzy. I admit that campfires can be fun.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

OK, let’s get back to Rome. Like Sparta, Rome’s culture was rooted in military prowess. One of the manifestations of that military prowess was gladiatorial fighting. Think of it like what Klingons might do for entertainment. Rome’s military prowess was the primary reason behind its success. In the pre-industrial world, energy provided by sunlight falling on land was the primary basis for wealth, so controlling land was the route to wealth. That sunlight grew trees, and food when the trees were gone, at least until the soils were wrecked. From the very beginning, Rome battled its neighbors and took their land. Before it became big and powerful, it formed alliances rather than straight conquests. The landed families of the Roman Kingdom sought to maintain their status over the masses (the Plebs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebeians ), and the goal of the Plebs was to become a member of the aristocracy one day. Rome was a multicultural society from the beginning, particularly influenced by the Greeks and Etruscans. Rome was not really much of an innovator, but borrowed and stole from others. Greece was where much of the innovation came from. Think of it like Apple and Microsoft. As I wrote earlier, the Plebs sought to become the aristocracy, and they became a new class of aristocracy eventually.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ans#post563101

It has been asked why the world did not become industrialized during Ancient Greece. I have seen answers that stated that the Greek aristocracy was not really interested in the directions the society would have needed to go to industrialize. Greece had the coal, but not the impetus:

http://www.mjunction.in/market_news/...coal_produ.php

Sorry, but I have to run off to work now.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have some time this morning for a little longer post. I have not had the time to organize my library for the past two moves of my household, since 2009, and some of it is still in boxes from my move this past spring, so I do not have ready access to all of the Rome books that I have studied over the years. Most studies of Rome are about the empire days, not the kingdom or republic, as that is when Roman influence reached its zenith.

The days before Rome became an empire are not too novel. Monarchies have always been the predominant form of government for early civilizations. What are today called republics began with the oligarchy battling royalty, trying to trim its power. Because the energy surplus was so low with pre-industrial agriculture (about ten farmers to support one non-farmer), no society could support many elites, proportionally, and the so-called middle classes were small, generally confined to craftsmen. In economics parlance, craftsmen could practice their crafts as an individual, perhaps employing apprentices and journeymen if they owned their own business, but craftsmen could usually perform their art by themselves. A weaver, a blacksmith, a potter – they could perform their tasks unassisted, or with perhaps a pair of helping hands or two. More efficient crafting made its appearance with the beginnings of civilization, with faster methods of making pottery attending the rise of Sumer.

But as Rome became an Empire, the industrial mode of production began to appear, as pottery and brick factories sprouted up around the Empire, where forests could provide the wood:

http://www.academia.edu/423851/A_Lat...nera_Al_Pozzo_

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_pottery

As I mentioned earlier:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post562534

the Roman industries had to keep moving because they wiped out the forests, beginning in Italy and Sicily and moving to Africa, France and Cyprus, and then moving to Germany and Great Britain. One area of the Roman economy is also as old as civilization, and that was the mining of metal. Gold and silver were worthless metals, too soft to make tools, but they were scarce and easily mined because they could be found in nuggets and flakes due to their relatively unreactive natures. They were used in art originally, as all metals first were, and gold and silver became money in the Old World.

As I have stated before, the first writings in all civilizations were accounting so that the elites could track and manage their plunder/tribute.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post540992

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post490064

Money was also a province of the elite. The Roman Empire was supplied with coin from the mines of Spain, but Rome did not begin them. Carthage mined gold on Sicily and Sardinia in the early days of the Roman Republic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_m...Sources_of_ore

After Carthage lost its first war with Rome, it conquered parts of the Iberian Peninsula and enslaved the conquered people to mine gold and silver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthag...on_into_Iberia

After Rome defeated Carthage and destroyed the city, the relatively few survivors largely ended up in the Roman mines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Punic_War#Aftermath

The life of a miner for Rome was short and brutal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Med...atural_History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_...ing_conditions

The Romans borrowed the mining techniques used by other cultures such as the Greeks and Egyptians:

http://earthsci.org/mineral/mindep/a...ein_mining.htm

But expendable slaves were the labor force for those early mines, whether it was ancient Egypt, Carthage, or Rome. Those hapless slaves all died for accounting reasons or to provide royal grave goods. What an evil waste of human lives. That style of mining died in Europe with the decline of Rome, but was revived when Spain began conquering the New World a thousand years later:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/savings.htm#biggest

Time to run off to work, but I will revisit the Roman economy, which is considered to have been an underdeveloped one. The Roman economy, especially when the city reached a million people around the time of Jesus, was primarily based on conquering its neighbors and plundering them of their gold, peoples, wood, land and whatever else Rome found useful. The Italian peninsula could no longer support farming or industry, with the forests gone and the soils wrecked, and the closer to Rome, the more pronounced the dynamic. So, Africa, France and even Great Britain became the sites of farms, factories, and mines, which were all energy-intensive operations.

Best,

Wade

[araucaria]

Here's one small step in the right direction: municipal vehicles attracting attention for gaining 30% better fuel consumption through some "water doping" technique via a tank of rainwater. Let's hope it catches on and leads to even better stuff (sorry it's in French)

http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-prem...12-2169449.php

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

With the increasing toolset available to white scientists, they have seen signs of Roman industry in new ways. The Roman mines on the Iberian Peninsula spewed lead that has been detected in the Greenland ice cores:

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/09/sc...the-globe.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wo...Production.jpg

Before the Industrial Revolution, Rome was history’s greatest producer of copper and lead, and Rome began to mine coal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_g...and_metallurgy

but the Chinese were a thousand years ahead of them, and on Britain, they were a few thousand years ahead of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal#Early_uses_as_fuel

But coal use really came and went in the world, used only modestly, until England began using it extensively after it wiped out its forests, which led to the Industrial Revolution. During Roman times, muscle provided most power, which was fueled by food, of humans or draft animals.

But, as this presentation observed, the Romans were quite energy inefficient:

http://publicaddress.net/southerly/e...crisis-in-the/

The horse collars of the day strangled the horses. A medieval horse could haul nearly four times as much as a horse could in Roman times. Rome burned through its slaves – AKA conquered peoples – to the tune of hundreds of thousands of poor souls per year. Roman ships could only sail with the wind, and only rowers could move a boat against the wind. Those kinds of energy inefficiencies, and the prodigious waste of economic resources - forests, slaves, soils, is being increasingly argued as the root reason why Rome fell. In short, the Roman mode of production was unsustainable. No civilization that smelted metals and relied on deforestation and plow agriculture was sustainable, but Rome engaged those dynamics on a grand scale.

I have a map of the Roman Empire that I will dig up and post here that showed the political boundaries of the Roman provinces at the height of the Empire, and a companion map that showed what each province provided to Rome, economically. One province provided olives, another wood, another gold and silver, and so on. One of my friends studied the British Empire, and it was the same game. The USA is merely the latest imperial player on the global stage, raping and plundering Earth and its peoples, in its quest for energy and cheap labor (as in energy-cheap labor).

It is rather amazing to live in an imperial culture and see how blind its citizens are to very obvious dynamics. Only a blithering idiot could believe that the USA’s military presence in Hydrocarbon Country has anything at all to do with helping the Iraqis overthrow the dictator who was on our payroll, and fight “terrorists” that we armed and trained:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#brzezinski

But the official version, the one that everybody gives lip service to, is the idiot’s version, defended to the death by all manner of imperial pundit, from the right, “left,” and center. Our adventure in Afghanistan (like Britain’s and the Soviet Union’s) is being questioned these days as too costly, and nobody ever acknowledges the corrupt motivation behind our adventures. This is one of the essential features of any empire:

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080123.htm

Rome, Britain, the Mongols, and so on, it always had a primarily economic motivation, with the rest of it just flowery justification for murder and theft. While the Soviet Union existed, the USA could not really wage war in Hydrocarbon Country, and we had to be content to support our proxies in the region such as Israel, the incredibly corrupt rulers of Saudi Arabia, our puppet in Iran after we overthrew its government with the CIA’s first coup, and so on.

But in the days of Classic Greece and Rome, the energy of fossil fuels had yet to be exploited. Wind and water power were being exploited on a relatively modest level, but the world would have to wait a couple thousand years after the peak of Athens for a civilization to reach the technical competence and social organization to really exploit those energies to their potential. When England did (piggy-backing on the maritime breakthroughs of the Portuguese and others), it quickly conquered the world, to be eventually displaced by its offspring and rival the USA (only after horrific world wars between the imperial powers – the established plunderers versus the upstarts), although the former master is only too happy to carry our bags today to get in on its share of the plunder.

At the peak of its empire, in about 1910, the largest international transfers of wealth were between India and Great Britain, as the entire subcontinent was turned into a plantation for the British. The longer that the British controlled an Indian province, the poorer it was:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#stat

But I get ahead of myself. Rome was the greatest empire that the world had known, until the British appeared on the world scene. But Rome’s ascent to imperial status was centuries in the making. From its beginnings in shepherds’ huts, to when Augustus formally ended the Republic, spanned more than seven hundred years. From the first invasions by England of North America until now is only about four hundred years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#english

During the days of the Republic, the clothing of the Senators was simple. As the office became more and more meaningless during the days of the Roman Empire, the Senators’ clothing became increasingly ornate, like a costume. Focusing on the trappings of power to bedazzle the masses is what all declining powers do. I could go long into the imperial rituals of the USA, such as the Democratic and Republican conventions and so-called debates, which are nothing more than theatre for the unwashed masses, to distract like the Super Bowl or NASCAR do. The pomp and circumstance around the British royalty is more of the same, but in the USA, we worship flags:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#flag

Gotta run off to work.

Best,

Wade

P.S. Hi araucaria: My orientation forty years ago was wringing more energy from a gallon of gasoline:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

but I am no longer interested in such “solutions,” because they aren’t really solutions. We are not going to get over the hump with such baby steps. All such “solutions” get laughed at by Godzilla and friends, knowing that they have the game well in hand when people resort to stuff like that. We have to start thinking big and comprehensively, or it will be game over, soon.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I dug up that map of the Roman Empire and the products that disappeared into the maw of Rome. You can see the economic realities from previous posts:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post562534

The timber cut in Morocco, the glass made in France and Belgium, the grain from North Africa and deforested nearby islands (at least until the soil was depleted), the silver, gold, lead and other metals from Spain, timber, wool, and hides coming from Asia Minor and its periphery, metals coming from Britain, and nothing much at all coming from Mesopotamia. From the steppes and periphery of the Empire came hides, much like the early invasions of Europeans into North America, where furs and deer hides were the early commerce from the Eastern Woodlands, to graduate to buffalo hides when the invasion reached the Great Plains. The fur trade was never sustainable:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#fur

Today, those domesticated silver foxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox) have been getting sold to the fur industry, as those foxes do not mind being in cages as much as wild ones do. It is supposedly a humanitarian way to raise fur. God almighty, fur has only been worn for fashion for centuries. That is not far removed from the trade in captured Africans, and domesticating foxes to harvest their fur “humanely” is similar to Luther Burbank talking cacti into losing their needles so that he could turn them into cattle fodder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lu...lessCactus.JPG

Those are far from the highest and best uses of human ability.

I am finding it necessary once again to center this thread on my intentions, as I am getting hit from all directions by the agendas of others, from people who have zero experience in the disruptive energy technology business and think that they have some kind of answer, or they try to enlist my attention and assistance.

I have done this at least twenty times on this thread already, and need to do it again.

1. My initial orientation nearly forty years ago was wringing more energy out of a gallon of gasoline, in the wake of my first professional mentor inventing what was hailed as the world’s best engine for powering an automobile (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse), and I had teenage dreams of changing the energy industry.

2. That same year when my mentor's engine really made waves, I had my mystical awakening (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#how), and a couple of years later a desperate prayer resulted in a voice in my head that changed my college studies from science to business (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice).

3. When I graduated from college, I ended up in the hell of downtown Los Angeles (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post406928), and got a baptism by fire in the real world, and those were the three unhappiest years of my life so far.

4. After several years of gradual disillusionment, for the second and so far last time in my life I made that desperate prayer for guidance, and it answered me once again, this time landing me into the middle of the greatest attempt yet made to bring alternative energy to the American marketplace (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2). That was when my education really began.

5. Our effort bounced back-and-forth across the USA, to end up in my home town of Ventura, California (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr). I brought in my first professional mentor, and we were trying to marry his engine to the panels of Dennis’s heat pump when we got the boom lowered on us (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#pursuit). Then the nightmare began. Dennis got radicalized when the energy interests in Seattle killed one of his employees (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm#death), and my radicalization happened during those three years in Ventura. When I staggered away in 1990, I would never again see the world in the same way. The primary lesson of my journey was that personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn) and that the reason why we do not have free energy today has almost nothing to do with Godzilla and his minions, but a sleeping humanity that is its own worst enemy.

6. I came to find out, during those years of long ago, that free energy technology has been around for a long time. Sometimes a tinkering inventor comes up with something (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet), but the good stuff is in Godzilla’s Golden Hoard (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground), but we are not going to get any while we are collectively asleep. Godzilla is only exploiting a semi-sentient herd animal, and if we became truly sentient, or enough of us did, Godzilla could no longer play his games. That understanding that I gained on my journey is beyond almost everybody that I ever encountered. More than twenty years ago, as I was recovering from my adventures, I began trying to interest various parties in free energy. I know what kind of world is possible with free energy wisely implemented (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#advanced), and while some people seem to be able to glimpse it, almost nobody that I have ever met has been able to focus their awareness on what is important, as they fly off into all sorts of unproductive and suicidal directions, for the extremely few who can overcome their denial of free energy and key aspects of how the world really works.

7. In the years since Ventura, I have encountered some fellow travelers (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#meet), but it has really only been a relative few, and I have yet to meet anybody who has been through the meat grinder that Dennis and I went through and is still at it. Virtually anybody who had the slightest acquaintance with Godzilla and his minions was removed from the scene with the Golden Handcuffs (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff), or their lives were destroyed if not prematurely ended. I saw many wrecked lives on my journey, and even prematurely ended ones (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey), and those will haunt me for the rest of my days, most of which I cannot publicly discuss, to protect both the innocent and the guilty.

8. In my several hundred attempts to interest various interests in free energy and its potential, and trading notes with my fellow travelers, I came to understand the many reactions to the idea of free energy, very few of them productive reactions, and put them into a framework that I have found to be a useful shorthand (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart).

9. I have only met or heard of one person like Dennis (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany), and am not looking for heroes (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#heroes). I am trying to help people shed their scarcity-based conditioning (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant ) for long enough so that they can simply imagine abundance (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance).

10. That goal may seem modest, but I have yet to really encounter ten people on the planet who fully understand what I am trying to do – I am not sure that I have met even one yet, not in the fullness of what I am attempting, and what a lonely feeling that is. Ilie comes the closest that I have encountered at Avalon, and the thinking that he is doing on the subject (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post566311) is the gold standard of what I am hoping to inspire people to do. That is really all that I am trying to do – help people think comprehensively (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#developing) and help them just imagine abundance, which will necessarily be built on energy abundance. Without energy abundance, the abundance ideas that people throw around in various circles cannot happen. Energy runs the world and always has, and energy scarcity has defined the human journey from the beginning. The brief periods of seeming peace and plenty were largely only the euphoria of quickly burning through a new energy resource until it was gone, whether that was megafauna, forests, soils, furs, whales, or fossil fuels. The dynamic of easy days of plunder, a plateau of thinking that a new level of life had been reached, and then the fitful and usually violent decline into oblivion when the energy ran out, is the prevailing dynamic of the human journey.

11. Humanity stands on the edge of the precipice today. We will either become truly sentient, and then we can have free energy and something that looks a lot like heaven on Earth (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1), or we will continue on the fast train to oblivion that the industrialized world is on, and take most of the ecosystems with us. If we do, in twenty million years or so, the ecosystems will recover and maybe another potentially sentient species can try again. Will we get over the hump or crash? Each one of us will have to answer that question, and what we do, now, is likely going to determine how this plays out.

12. The key to turning the corner, in my opinion, is thinking like creators instead of victims, but virtually nobody on Earth is doing that today. The victim game is perhaps humanity’s oldest. The two predominant alternative views of the world, coming from the “left” and “right,” are united in their thinking like victims (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness), and are really no help at this stage of the free energy game, although it took me many years to finally understand.

That is a summary of where I have been and what I am trying to do. There are other paths to free energy and a healed planet, but I have not seen any others that I have any interest in, either because they are insanely dangerous (what Dennis, Greer, and Trombly have been doing, for instance), or they are engaged in by people who have literally no experience in the field and think that they know better, and have about zero chance of success. Almost every scientist in the free energy field is hopelessly naïve, and that problem plagues all scientists (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/radleft.htm#nerd), but is a potentially fatal affliction in this field. As an example, the “skeptic” that has been attacking Dennis for more than fifteen years (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ony#post410817) has duped one of the leading free energy voices with this affable skeptic act. That is an example of potentially fatal naïveté. If that guy ever gets anything going, his naïveté will doom the operation. His affliction is almost universal in would-be free energy players, and my warnings have fallen on deaf ears so many times that I really do not want to have anything to do with the free energy field anymore. Virtually nobody on the free energy stage today has the right stuff, and Brian O said it rather subtly in our Camelot interview (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#new).

Here is what have no interest in:

A. The inventor of the hour, trying to scale the ramparts with his gizmo tucked under his arm. Lately, have been getting bombarded with Keshe and Rossi, as they try the paths that have failed so many times in the past. Neither has even gotten to the waiting room to get on stage, and both seem pretty oblivious to those who have been there ahead of them. I really don’t want to watch.

B. Commiserating with my fellow travelers, about our adventures or planning the next attempt. Been there, done that. Swapping stories of raids, murder attempts, bankruptcies and the like is not something that I really enjoy doing, just like soldiers who really saw combat are not eager to discuss their experiences.

C. Desperate energy consumers around the world trying to lower their energy bills by squeezing more energy out of a gallon of gasoline, trying to turn cropland into a source for biofuels, putting up windmills, raping Earth to get geothermal energy, getting more efficient photovoltaics, and all of the other non-answers that get presented as some sort of solution. Forty years ago, I would have been interested in some of that, but not anymore. The zero-point field, which has many other names, is where the action is, and anything that is shooting lower is shooting far too low and too late. We have been in an emergency state for a long time, and only free energy is going to get us over the hump into a world that I would be interested in living in.

D. Coercing anybody for any reason, and that includes Godzilla. I seek to make Godzilla obsolete, and he might even be redeemed along the way, but my approach is very non-Godzilla-centric, unlike almost every other thread at Avalon. An early poster to this thread said that my work was the antithesis of what Avalon was all about, and I won’t disagree, but I seek people who have shed at least some of the blinders of their indoctrination, and I found Ilie, Sandy, and some others here, so this has not been a fruitless exercise. I am supremely happy that I am not in a forum infested by trolls (been there, done that, and never again http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll), and my intent was partly to attract people like David (formerly Tyler ), who came here because he read my work after Brian directed him to it.

E. Approaching the rich and powerful for help. I have watched that play out many times over the years, and it was not only a waste of time, but dangerous to FE efforts, both to the aspirants and to the elites who might poke their nose into it. If they did not wreck the effort by throwing their weight around, a horse’s head in their bed (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#windmill), and the elites quickly go scrambling back to their mansions. While Bill Gates fancies himself as some kind of energy activist these days, and I ran into him not long ago (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates), I would not talk with him about free energy if he wanted to. It is seductive to think that some rich and powerful person is going to save the day, or the Space Brothers, or the Ascended Masters, but it is time to learn to paddle our own canoes, take responsibility for our lives and the world we live in, and stop trying to take the easy way out. Nothing about what I am advocating is in any way easy, but I am not asking anybody to risk their lives. Those who want to go play those life-risking games need to go find someplace else to play them.

Time for chores, but I hope to make a good Rome post this weekend.

Best,

Wade

[meat suit]

great post and thread Wade..

actually windpower is a fine thing, there is new legilation coming into force in Wales that puts wind turbines into permitted development. this means I can put up a wind turbine up to 11m high on private property as long as there is 13m distance to the next property in case it falls over. for me that means a sub £2000 turbine installation will throw 10kwh per day into my thermal store via immersion heater. I can then look out the window watch it go round and round..great...

I must read all of this thread.....

cheers
meat

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Looking at the map, have noticed word: SYLPHIUM above LYBIA. It was a very looked for plant, which had a wide medical application. Believed to be a contraceptive - "a morning pill" of sorts. Sylphium, due to being endemic to the region was driven to extinction...

Noticed also that main use for northern Europe was AMBER. You can pick up shards of amber by hand, early in the morning when it is washed from the Baltic sea onto the beach. Some people are doing it for life in Poland...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by meat suit (here)
10kwh per day

Is that on an average day, including the days with little wind?

Posted by meat suit (here)
a sub £2000 turbine installation ... into my thermal store

I suppose that more cost and equipment is required to generate household electricity from that thermal store, or do you have some more direct use for that store?

[sandy]

And now back to>>>> gaining the "understanding and full comprehension" that the only worldly solution to all of Earths problems including a lack of sentient beings is FREE ENERGY!!

[meat suit]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by meat suit (here)
10kwh per day

Is that on an average day, including the days with little wind?

Posted by meat suit (here)
a sub £2000 turbine installation ... into my thermal store

I suppose that more cost and equipment is required to generate household electricity from that thermal store, or do you have some more direct use for that store?

hi Paul,
its constantly widy here on the coast in west Wales UK, 110m above sea level and 2 miles from the irish sea.
10kwh per day is an estimate: a 1kw wind turbine running for 20 hours per day at 500 watts (ie, only half power) 20 hours x 500watts = 10 kwh (kilo watt hours) per day...
the thermal store is a 320 litre insulated water tank in my house to which I cann add heat from 6 differrent sources:
1. 20kw wood burner boiler stove
2. solar thermal panels
3. oil fired boiler
4. 3kw mains electric immersion heater
5. 6kw mains electric immersion heater
6. 1kw 48 volt immersion heater plugged into the out put of 1kw wind turbine

I can extract heat from the thermal store to my radiators via pump or heat my hot water via internal heat exchanger coil.
it workes a dream, so far only added heat by wood burner.....the mains and oil devices are for backup only.
I wouldnt grid tie the wind turbine.... maybe later feed 4 x 12volt battery bank for lights or pumping round the radiators

cheers

meat

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I laughed when I saw Meat’s post. How do I write to somebody called Meat? I suppose the same way that I wrote to Tyler Durden. At least Dirk Diggler has not joined the thread yet, or Genghis Khan. If you make more posts here, Meat, somebody else might join with the moniker Fresh Meat.

In Brian O’s last years, he was looking for a research assistant to help crunch the numbers to show how unviable all the vanilla alternative energy technologies were – solar, wind, tides, geothermal, and especially biofuels. As with our DOE proposal:

http://www.brianoleary.info/Impacts.html

while I helped out Brian when I could, I wondered what he thought we were going to accomplish. Anybody with much experience with traditional alternatives knows the many downsides to them. Brian was intimately involved with those alternatives in his Capitol Hill days:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#udall

All of them impact the environment, sometimes drastically, and their output is always far lower than that provided by fossil fuels. Comparing traditional alternatives to fossil fuels is like comparing a skate board to a Ferrari, and comparing traditional alternatives to free energy is like comparing a skate board to a rocket ship.

All of the traditional alternatives are materials intensive, sometimes using more energy to make and maintain them than the energy that they produce, such as biofuels. They usually have deleterious environmental impacts of operation, their performance is usually intermittent, so energy storage is an issue.

On windmills, not too long ago, to try commercial windmill activity in the USA was life-risking behavior:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#windmill

but not anymore, so the abominations are going up all over the place. They can only go up in a relative few places. Islands like Hawaii and Great Britain get regular oceanic winds, so some people can put them up. One here and there is not going to solve humanity’s energy problems. Mass installations can be heard from miles off as they operate, they kill countless birds and they actually affect the wind on the lands behind them. FE deniers like Heinberg, when he is not advocating getting rid of several billion excess humans:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#austerity

had advocated carpeting Earth with windmills to solve our energy problems. There is not enough wind on Earth that can be captured to even allow the current world population to have an American-level standard of living. FE leaps up orders of magnitude from such “solutions.” I suppose that those addicted to skate boards may not like hearing about rocket ships.

I have not mentioned it before because it is not really relevant to what I am trying to do, but Mr. Mentor also invented what would probably be the world’s best windmill about forty years ago, about the same time that he was inventing the world’s best engine for powering a car.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

He also came up with a way to desalinate water very cheaply, to the point where a front man for an Arab sheik almost made him an offer that he could not refuse.

The bottom line is that environmental energy sources are a very mixed bag and really don’t have the juice. Dennis’s heat pump is still the best heating system that the world market has ever seen:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

but having a superior technology really does not mean much, when the entire game is rigged.

Hi Robert:

The Roman Empire drove many species to extinction, both plant and animal. There were lions and elephants in North Africa when Rome made its rise, but there weren’t many left before long.

http://web3.unt.edu/honors/eaglefeat...-072012-se.pdf

I am probing my memory here, and I may have the find wrong, but I believe that when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, or a similar scroll cache, found with them was a sealed clay jar with oil from a tree now believed to be extinct. It must have been a coveted oil to be saved that way. I think it was a tree whose name that would be familiar to many of us today. UPDATE: It was this find: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/16/wo...-dead-sea.html, as I recall.

Yes indeed, Sandy my dear. I’ll try to stay on track.

Ah, doing this wrecked my opportunity to make another Rome post, but I’ll keep plunking along.

Best,

Wade

[Ixopoborn]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
... That goal may seem modest, but I have yet to really encounter ten people on the planet who fully understand what I am trying to do – I am not sure that I have met even one yet, not in the fullness of what I am attempting, and what a lonely feeling that is. Ilie comes the closest that I have encountered at Avalon, and the thinking that he is doing on the subject (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post566311) is the gold standard of what I am hoping to inspire people to do.

Don't count me out just yet Wade. Illie's post was good but nothing I had not already pondered about some time ago.

I really suspect this is true of other frequent viewers of this thread.

Threads can be a bit strange at times but essentially they are anonymised meeting places with excellent time shifting properties - except without body language so wires are more easily crossed etc. Also, some posts are more about punctuating dialogue than actually saying something sensible - very akin to interjections that occur in a circle of people discussing a topic. This chitter chatter, for want of another description, should not be too quickly written off. I know irrelevancies can be frustrating but ...

You are doing great work - It seems I am more with it than maybe my posts so far have suggested. Certainly, the depth in Illie's above-mentioned post exited no surprise or fear in me!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ibopoborn:

I said that Ilie was the gold standard of what I am looking for, and I said that others at Avalon were also promising, and I did not count you out, other than counting all of humanity out, as far as fully understanding what I am trying to do, but all artists can feel that way. It is one of the delusions that we have to wrestle with, but it is not all a delusion, either. This is tricky stuff to deal with.

Your posts are pretty astute, my friend. But I have long suspected that what I would like to teach really cannot be taught, but can only be learned in the crucible of harsh experience. But if everybody had to learn how I did, there would only be a few bedraggled survivors of the experience, licking their wounds and trying to eke out the rest of their days in peace. So, I am aiming lower, but still trying to initiate a stampede of sentient lambs. Time will tell if that strategy has a prayer, and I sympathize with impatient readers of this thread, but the biggest event in human history will not happen overnight, and maybe not in my lifetime. It is a lot harder than it looks.

Ilie began this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...by-Free-Energy

which is the best I have seen and arguably the best on the Internet, and his contributions, over and over, show me that he gets it in ways that I have virtually never encountered before. Ilie is leery about getting this prominent treatment from me, but he never has to do anything more than what he is already doing to make a mighty contribution to this effort, and I only use him as an example of the kinds of responses that I am looking for. I think that his scientific background helps him immensely, which is partly why I think that some scientific literacy is key for the people that I plan to attract to what I am going to try to do. Yes, Internet forums are a mixed bag. I am using them as I can, and as I have stated, when I get the conversation going that I envision, it will not have anonymous members. Funny, I just awoke from a dream where my Internet work got me in trouble at my day job. Last month, I was asked by a former CFO, who is somewhat familiar with Wade’s World, why I do not write anonymously (he never heard about my other life while I worked for him, which is a policy that I still do my best to follow). For several reasons, that will not work, and I don’t want to even try. I have never made anonymous posts in forums. That I am interacting with anonymous people at all means that it is not really the crowd that I have in mind, and that crowd is not going to get anything important done, but I have to throw my line in the water someplace to begin. Again, only a few people on the planet are close to understanding what I am attempting at this time, so there is no place to find a bunch of them hanging out.

I hear you on the chit-chat, but I am obviously shooting for something deeper. We aren’t going to get over the hump unless enough of us can go deep. There are many problems with what I am doing, one of which is that if I tried to have a physical gathering, Godzilla’s minions would arrive, and one of their specialties is wrecking lives, and they can get violent. Doing it this way lessens the intimacy, but puts fewer people at risk. The Avalon crowd would mostly be lambs to the slaughter for Godzilla’s minions. They are good at what they do, and I have watched them gull people, supposedly smart and worldly ones, almost effortlessly:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post400493

It looks like I won’t be making another Rome post this weekend, as I have to go to work soon, but let me make a post about a thread-related topic: paranormal phenomena. Yesterday, I spent a few hours reading Robert McLuhan’s Randi’s Prize, which was about his scholarly assessment of paranormal investigations and comparing them to how the “skeptics” deal with such issues. Not surprisingly for me, the “skeptics” don’t come off looking so good. While in what I have read so far in the book the author does not accuse the “skeptics” of dishonesty, the “skeptics” are probably the most dishonest group that I have yet encountered:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

and I just wrote about my personal “favorite” in yesterday’s post:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post568364

But even the seemingly most honest “skeptic” that I have yet encountered, Susan Blackmore (and the only female “skeptic” that I have yet encountered, which is likely not a coincidence) also comes off badly in McLuhan’s book, which is no surprise to me:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#blackmore

McLuhan made great observations that bring up the question of why Randi is taken seriously at all. That establishment science has ceded him the stage on paranormal investigations is like Americans getting their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and their information from Fox News. Randi is anything but evenhanded in his investigations, and his tenor is very much like Rush Limbaugh’s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#randi

and it is no surprise that one of his acolytes is Mr. Skeptic. Although McLuhan’s book was a scholarly investigation, he made a clear distinction between experiences of the paranormal and beliefs about them. The “skeptics” tend to dismiss people who have had NDEs as a bunch of religious fanatics, when anybody familiar with the literature and research knows that that is anything but true (it is similar to the anti-vegetarian crusaders portraying all vegetarians as PETA fanatics http://www.ahealedplanet.net/veggie.htm#fanatic). Beliefs and experiences are two very different things. The sloppy irrationality of conflating them is ironic coming from self-appointed spokespeople for science and reason, but it is standard behavior among the “skeptics.”

And that brings me to the point of this post, which is about experience. There is no substitute for experience, and especially for phenomena far outside the mainstream’s daily experience, such as an NDE or the pursuit of FE. Unless somebody has had actual experience with those kinds of “beyond-the-pale” issues, they are very difficult to really understand. I have not required anybody to have hands-on experience in the FE field before I take them seriously. In fact, I generally do the opposite and actively discourage FE newbies from taking the plunge and trying to make an FE device in their garage or go chasing after FE in the marketplace. That is life-risking behavior, and one challenge of doing my work on the Internet, especially at someplace like Avalon, is that my work sits on the same site where baseless rumors abound, with conspiratorial musings about lens flares from SOHO being star gates and other tabloid topics. So, people tend to put my Avalonian work onto the unreality shelf with the other tabloid stuff, or they don’t quite take it seriously, as in a concrete reality, or they vastly underestimate the reality. It does not help that if you Google Dennis, the first two pages of results repeat the “scam” mantra almost without exception, like a drumbeat, with the slimy Mr. Skeptic leading the chant. Even Dennis’s “allies” in the FE field do the same thing, which only reinforces the primary lesson of my journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

More than one Avalonian has followed my lead and pursued the Silva Method, which was the vehicle of my mystical awakening nearly forty years ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva

The “remote viewing” exercise that ends the Silva training is how many prominent scientists discarded the materialism of establishment science. It wrecked Brian O as an establishment scientist:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#remote

and I did not know it at the time, but my mystical awakening would eventually wreck me as an establishment scientist.

I am sorry to report that the Silva training has become a shadow of its former self. When I took the Silva class in 1974, it was a forty-hour training. Today, it is less than half of that. The most important part of the class is the exercises, and those were about half of the forty hour class. To cut the class in half is a bad idea, IMO, and one of my long-time Silva instructor pals called it “Silva Lite,” in tones of humorous disgust, when they came out with that “half class” many years ago. Silva was a great class for people to attain their first mystical experiences, but I am not so sure anymore. I also had a report where one seeker of a Silva class was talked into some $4K “life coaching” class before she knew what hit her. When José died, the Silva effort fragmented into several competing classes, led by his family members, both blood relatives and in-laws. It seems like some fragmenting dynasty, with several potential heirs seeking to establish their own fiefdoms. In ways, it is no different than how the world’s religions fragmented after the prophets died, with none of their disciples really understanding the masters’ messages. It seems to be the nature of the beast.

While my Silva experience was the beginning of my mystical awakening, it did not seem like an unusual experience at the time. Others seemed to have similar ones, but years later, it seems like what I had was more spectacular than most, but certainly no more spectacular than Brian’s or others I know of. But a voice in my head led me to the two most critical junctures of my life:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

I have not heard of anybody else ever having an experience like that, not with such overwhelming outcomes. It was the second instance, landing me into the middle of Dennis’s operation, that I still look back on and wonder if it really happened, and I was the one living it. People around me kind of deny that those events happened, and I am not sure quite why, but it seems to be that to even acknowledge stuff like that stretches their sense of reality out of shape. How can somebody be led to potentially world-changing events by a voice in their head? It seems too much like the movies, and daily life is not a movie.

My ride with Dennis was the education of my next ten lifetimes, but I would not wish that learning experience on anybody. That was a high-abrasion way to learn, and only people like Dennis can stay on that hot seat for long. My youth was partly what allowed me to survive the experience, and I saw many others crumble in mere days, and some were allegedly tough guys, and I had to bury one of the saints of my journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

which will haunt me forever. I wrestled with delusions of grandeur at times:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

which is a hazard of that path, as it is all so much larger than life that few can even believe what we lived through. Even my own mother campaigned against me:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post400492

That stuff can mess you up, to put it bluntly, but, believe it or not, what my mother did was an inconsequential nuisance compared to the other events that I was living through. I only use her as an example because she can no longer be hurt by revealing her deeds. Others will have to die or become demented before I can provide many other examples.

When I went to see UFOs at James Gilliland’s place:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/ufo.htm

or was invited to go swim with wild dolphins:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm#dolphins

or had my experiences in channeled sessions, I received experiences that seemed “normal” and what I came there to witness, but I was told later that I was getting the special treatment. My dolphin guide had been guiding people almost daily for twenty years, but he never before saw the show that I received, while in my ignorance I thought that wild dolphins jumping over my head was what all “tourists” experienced. My first five minutes of my first channeling session was remembered years later by the channel’s wife, as it was so spectacular:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post193270

So I may be erring in directing people toward something like Silva or James’s ranch, setting them up for disappointment when they don’t get the show that I did. Sorry about that.

But I know that if somebody is really sincere about the seeking, they will get the experience, at some level. I never approached the Silva class, or my Seth channelings, or going to James’s Ranch, or swimming with wild dolphins, as some kind of “skeptic” who dared the event to happen. I went to have an experience, sometimes traveling great distances, although I certainly kept my mind open and did not abandon my critical faculties. As James told me, the ETs respond best to a heartfelt human desire for the encounter. I am not making it a matter of faith, but having the desire to have the experience, and be willing to relinquish your idea of how it has to happen, is a key, I think. If you approach it as a “skeptic,” daring it to happen, or you go with your ego inflated or are set in your expectations of how it has to happen, you are not going to get the kinds of experiences that I did. I am not saying that people need to abase themselves in false humility, either. It is more like, “Ask, and you shall receive, but you may get what you need more than what you want.” But with that voice in my head, I doubt that I will be asking again, although I have been recently asked to perform some tall healing tasks. I know that I am only a vehicle for the events, not the source, so I may end up asking for help once again, and we will see what happens. The road that that voice sent me on was a little too rough. Twice in a lifetime was plenty for me. Be careful of what you wish for, and treading cautiously in these realms is good advice, IMO. Balancing an attitude of seeking with retaining one’s critical faculties is not easy. It is like walking that razor’s edge that I repeatedly refer to.

Time for a long day at the office.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I go out the door (too many household chores have delayed my departure for the office), I just saw this post on nuking Japan:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-against-japan

Which is very similar to my account of the subject:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#dropping

Not fun stuff, but should be required reading for flag-waving Americans. Look at all the flag-waving derision and sophistry directed at the post in the comments section. Typical.

Best,

Wade

[Kiforall]

Here you go Wade, if we all come together as one do you reckon this is bordering on happening?
Building crystal grids to exchange energies from one universe to another?
Could building a pyramid ( Egypt comes into mind ) bring the energy of the stone work together in such a way that the frequency allowed the transfer of energy from our planet to others and back again.
I love positive feedback loops, very simple but true.

A boy of 8yrs builds a crystal diamond pyramid grid and explains how the rocks of the Earth hold, carry, give off and exchange energy with the universe that can help to heal us and increase intelligence. I need to go back and read some more Terry Pratchett LOL

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gATik...1&feature=plcp

[Wade Frazier]

I was reading another Zero Hedge post:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...asy-manipulate

and Dennis was right in the middle of those Skinner days:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#skinner

I did not write about it in detail, but because Dennis was at the top of his class, as usual, he was a special invitee to that Skinner conference, sitting in a special section. This was after his mystical awakening with his shot gun in his mouth:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

Dennis told me that he stormed out of that conference in the middle of it, and made a scene as he gave Skinner a hearty “Sieg Heil!” replete with the Nazi salute. He then dropped out of college, when all he had to do was turn in some paperwork to graduate. That scenario was rather typical for Dennis. He would back up his dramatic talk with dramatic action.

That all happened in about 1972, right at the peak of Skinner’s fame. Thank God for people like Uncle Noam:

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19711230.htm

In ways, Dennis’s life has been like Forrest Gump’s, as far as him being right in the thick of historic events, at times unwittingly.


Hi Kiforall:

If we came together as one, FE would be laughably easy to do. A hundred heroes could do it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#heroes

but I mean heroes like this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

However, I only have only met or heard of one person like that, so that way will probably not work, not now.

If there were a thousand spear carriers like I was, and ten heroes, that could also work, but I only met a few spear carriers, and buried the best one I ever met:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#journey

as he basically died from his wounds. I believe that I did not mention it before, but none of his family was there at his funeral, other than his widow, their adopted daughter and her family. His journey, and what an incredibly heroic one it was, ended up wrecking his family relationships, which is par for the course, I am sorry to say.

So, what then? What can overcome humanity’s inertia and the organized suppression? Make no mistake about it; FE is the most suppressed technology on Earth, by far:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#payoff

The kind of world that I have been imagining for most of my life (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance) is also one that Godzilla and friends are desperately trying to ensure does not manifest, because all Godzilla can see is losing his power. Sacrificing humanity and the planet is a price that Godzilla is very willing to pay, but cooler heads may prevail:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#cabal

But I am not going to sit around and wait for the so-called White Hats to come save humanity from itself. We need to do the work, or at least enough to avoid the abyss. FE is probably as essential for avoiding the abyss as it is to manifesting heaven on Earth. Of course there are downsides to an unenlightened implementation of FE, and partly what I am doing (which is trying to find several thousand like Ilie, and they will need some education and training) is to create a nugget of heart-centered sentience that can serve to catalyze not only FE, but also its enlightened implementation.

That is my game. That link that you posted does not work, or at least I could not see it.

As far as the technological end of things goes, those problems were solved long ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

I am not too beholden to any particular technology, although a solid-state device that taps the zero-point field, like what Sparky Sweet had (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet), is probably the way to go. If there are other technologies that can get the same result – abundant, harmless energy, then it is fine by me. Godzilla’s Golden Hoard is pretty huge, so there is probably a range of FE technologies to choose from, if we can get over the hump. I believe that the ZPF is likely divine in nature, and until we can muster the sufficient level of heart-centered intention, our species will not get the benefit of it. I see it as a chicken-and-egg conundrum, and I believe that people doing the spiritual work are doing good and probably necessary work toward that end. I am not really on the technology end of it, at least that is not my emphasis, but I am trying to work with people’s heads. I found that unless their heart was in the right place, first, I could not reach them. So, I have kept stumbling down my path for many years, trying to get something to work, and raising awareness of the reality and potential of FE, which I found necessarily means laying aside our conditioning:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

is what I have been doing for more than twenty years now, after I got handed my head while in the FE trenches.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

The story of Rome played out all over the Old World many times, but Rome took it to new scales. There is an ideal of the Noble Savage, living in harmony with nature. That is largely a myth, due to modern peoples looking backward to idyllic times when life was supposedly more innocent. I won’t belabor the megafaunal extinctions, as I have written about them plenty:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post539852

Sophisticated tools, the control of fire, group hunting tactics - these allowed humans to wrench energy from the environment like no animal ever before. They ran through the energy as fast as their technologies allowed them to. As far as biologists can tell, that is something that any life form will do if it has the chance. That is a cornerstone of Ward’s Medea Hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_Hypothesis

Humans are just another animal that tries to maximize its energy usage, and if it ends up driving other species to extinction, so what? Every spring, lakes in temperate climates have algal blooms, where the detritus from the previous autumn can be digested by the algae. The algae digest the nutrients as fast as they can, and the so-called detritus ecosystem flourishes until the nutrients are all used up, and then the ecosystem dies off until the next spring. The same thing happens in the oceans. Going back to Liebig’s Law:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post528765

the nutrient that is in shortest supply limits the ecosystem’s growth, and even leads to its demise. In water, the limiting nutrient is usually nitrogen or phosphorus. The phytoplankton will use all the nutrients it can get ahold of, reproducing fiercely, and fueling the ecosystem until the critical nutrient is used up, and then the ecosystem collapses, the organisms all die and sink to the floor of the body of water. That is how organic sediments form. They form annual layers like tree rings that scientists have learned to read. That is essentially how our oil deposits were formed, on a grand scale, with global extinction events. Ocean sediments can be easily discerned bewteen limestone sediments when ecosystems are healthy, and the black shales that mark extinction events, which is when oil formation began. Ironically, the extinction events usually provide the best fossils, because when the dead animals fall to the floor of the body of water, the life on the floor has been killed off, usually by an anoxic event, so nothing eats the dead bodies and they eventually fossilize. There are other methods of preservation theorized, such as brine seeps, but most of the great fossil beds were likely laid down in anoxic conditions. They had high carbon content because nothing ate them.

Peak Oilers such as Heinberg:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#introduction

have written that with that heritage of eating up the resources until they were gone, humans can perhaps be forgiven for burning through one energy resource after another for the past 50,000 years or so, with the current orgy of plundering fossil fuel deposits until they are all gone. So while Heinberg is sympathetic, it really brings up the issue of whether humanity is a sentient species. Achieving the social organization and technological prowess to exploit new energy sources is the primary story of the human journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#succinct

and I have seen humans described as wired to ceaselessly pursue windfall economic gains by plundering energy resources until they are exhausted. Well, humans are, but the test of our sentience is dead ahead, as those fossil fuels quickly disappear out our tailpipes and up our chimneys, providing us momentary power and heat.

Rome was merely a large-scale version of those activities that all life has been doing for all time. Rome did it because it could. In J. Donald Hughes’s An Environmental History of the World, he wrote that when Rome was still young, not far removed from those shepherds' huts, there was still nature-worship, with people trying to appease the gods of nature. That eventually gave way to the utilitarian motivation of maximizing short-term economic gain, exploiting those windfall economic opportunities. Historians generally use the multi-causal reasoning for Rome’s collapse, but Tainter has the right of it (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#tainter), I think, in that decreasing marginal returns on investments to hold the civilization together is the primary cause of the decline and collapse of all civilizations, and that the investment is always primarily in the form of energy, because it provides the driving force of all life and all civilizations. Droughts were often the crowning blow, but they were generally just the coup de grâce for an overstretched civilization.

So, the rampant deforestation:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post562534

the prodigious waste of human and animal lives in the arenas, mines, and plantations, the ravages of plow agriculture, all contributed to Rome cutting its legs out from under itself eventually.

And here we come to a subject fraught with controversy, at least in my mind – the subject of the epidemic diseases that swept through the Empire. I believe that the germ theory of disease is wanting. Until the pleomorphic dynamics discovered by Béchamp and his professional descendants are explored by White Science:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ens#post498894

we will continue to have the insanity of orthodox cancer “treatment” consisting entirely of novel ways of attacking tumors, vaccination as a way of “preventing” disease:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#vaccination

and other disasters, such as the open fraud of fluoridation:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ent#post512641

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm

The great plagues virtually always happened in a stressed civilization. Athens was at war, under siege, when its great plague hit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemi...hrough_history

The overstretched Roman Empire had two great plagues, beginning in 165 AD, which decimated the Empire, with a third one wiping out about half of Europe’s population after the final collapse of Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian

A thousand years later, when the Medieval Warm Period saw skyrocketing populations and awesome deforestation in Europe and elsewhere, as the Little Ice Age began, a generation after the first great medieval famine hit, then came the Black Death:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

Weakened populations experienced the great epidemics. There is the issue of immunity and where our epidemic diseases came from, but it is widely acknowledged, even in orthodox circles, that improvements in nutrition and sanitation get the credit for the greatly improving life expectancy in the industrialized world, not interventions like vaccination. Vaccination almost certainly does far more harm than good, and may well be at least partly behind the epidemic of degenerative disease in the West, where two-thirds of its inhabitants die of easily prevented degenerative disease (where the immune system fails), with the Western treatments worse than worthless, such as bypass surgery:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#bypass

orthodox cancer “therapy”:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#racket

and so on.

Even the New World’s natives experienced their great epidemics while their civilizations were under siege from the Europeans, the Spanish in particular. How much of what happened in the New World was native souls deciding to “get out of Dodge” rather than suffer the brutal consequences of conquest and life under the Spaniards and their rivals from Europe? That may always be an open question for me.

Time to rush off to work.

Best,

Wade