What we may be here to do

[another bob]

Posted by Belle (here)
I clearly understand what you are saying abob, and agree when the word 'weapon' is used in the sense of 'to deliberately wound'.

Have you ever had someone very upset with you...so upset their anger boils over and they want to start a fight...

Actually, yes, not long ago on this very forum...

Is my lack of anger, my inner peace, a weapon? Their reaction would say yes. In my heart, I say no. What say you?

Conflicted emotional reactivity is not a symptom of true spirituality. Inner peace is. Words often complicate and confuse, as much as they clarify. I would not call inner peace a weapon, I would call it our natural state. If one wishes to designate it as a weapon, that would indicate the sense of or belief in a threat that requires defense. However, all we are ever really trying to protect and defend is some fabricated image we have of ourselves. In true spirituality, there is no "other".

Blessings!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Belle (here)
I clearly understand what you are saying abob, and agree...to a point.

Have you ever had someone very upset with you...so upset their anger boils over and they want to start a fight...speaking normally at first and getting progressively louder. My initial reaction is to find my center, my calm and quiet place, and try to discuss the situation with them. It seems to inflame them and they get louder still....the more angry they get, the calmer I get. I cannot help it...when anger is present, I choose peace... I choose not to fight, but rather listen closely to their grievance and seek reconciliation of our differences.

Is my lack of anger, my inner peace, a weapon? Their reaction would say yes. In my heart, I say no. What say you?

it isn't that you found your inner peace while they are angry, it's your big ol Joe Biden Grin that makes them explode...

I do exactly the same thing, in Huge sales meetings I'd walk in and the board was tearing themselves up, I would start talking in a whisper, as everyone quieted down to hear me, there would be one getting ready to explode, I had calmed everyone and was painting my picture taking away their power...

the madder they got, the calmer I became...

and everyone in my bubble was shielded from their anger...

they lost every time I'd walk out with the deal...

a psychic salesperson, some say it's cheating, I say... <Wink>

[Chester]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
My question is 'now what do we do with it.'

Personal Perception

The tortoise and the hare: it's critical to develop inner timing for it all to unfold in it's proper sequence with the greater picture. That's an honorable challenge. Patience with self and allowance for everyone to be where they are in the experiential process. We each are responsible to keep digging for the blind spots that hold us captive from our Light. And our shared caring for a better world through expression of ideas is a physical representation of Love and Co-creation in action.

A Wish

My wish is for everyone to see the hidden likeness rather than the differences in us All. Sometimes the human element is lost when the one eclipses another’s idea with clever factoids and parallel talk.

An Observation and Opinion

Project Avalon is a mini-model of the World. We loose ground when there’s disintegration rather than integration. We all benefit when each is cognizant of mutual respect for differences, and stays open to the larger message of the posts. It begins there. If it’s not a safe place to share, we lose the sensitive ones with a creative twist to the puzzle. I keep coming back to the point that lets get beyond the ego stuff. We all problem solve differently, that’s what makes it richer environment and increase the possibilities.

An Idea

One suggestion is brain storm on a real world situation. This exchange at Project Avalon is a spring board to the greater community on the web and beyond the computer. Guests may bring these ideas out to other forums, or families or small communities. There’s no right or wrong way or even if it bombs, the action steps alone raise consciousness and create unifying energies. So only success comes from any action, no matter how small.

An Outcome

In the beginning, it serves as a working example of how to process and share. Other side benefits increase like growth of non-judgement, creativity, and how ideas trigger solutions. This focus naturally flows from the individual to the Unity of the Whole. So in essence we demonstrate how to be teachers and students exchanging ideas on all levels. All while individual essence deepens and uniqueness is preserved as well.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

This was one fantastic post.

I came to Avalon because I thought I could be helpful to others such that I might find a true, reason to live. Unfortunately (though I did not know this at the time) I was perhaps the sickest one here. So in truth, I came to Avalon to save my own ass. BUT, somehow the love here, pulled my head out of a "special" orifice just enough to see some actual light of day.

Now I come to Avalon to be in "right, positive relationship" with others.

The guidelines you outlined above are perfect for a clown like me. I think I will print this and paste it on my wall.

Again, thank you WhiteCrowBlackDeer, Love to you, Chester

[Chester]

Not meaning to veer the thread, but need to clear up a possible misstep.

The reason I felt a connection between these two men, one who I sensed I knew through reading the dozen or so books he authored and one who has become a true friend who has assisted me beyond my belief was even possible, was and is because of the incredible feeling of love I experience when I focus on one or the other. After that, there is massive uniqueness.

I love you, Ray and Jiddu knows my love for him.

Enjoy the Day and Love to All - Chester

[Chester]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So if you want to activate your 'junk' DNA you need to live a life of peace, harmony and unconditional love, you need to make yourself useful by showing the way to those you come in contact with, by your own attitude and way of life. You must walk the walk. You are what you think.
Love to All
Ray

Just yesterday, the light bulb went off to this quantum being that I finally received the answer to one of my most compelling questions... and that has been, "What is the foundation of my intentions." And the answer I (finally!) got was - "Attitude."

I then strangely began to consider, is my attitude a choice? I am now in experimental stage in this regard. I will report my conclusions once I am comfortable I have enough data gathered.

Something smells to me like I might be on the right track.

Thanks, Ray... Love to All, Chester

[ulli]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So if you want to activate your 'junk' DNA you need to live a life of peace, harmony and unconditional love, you need to make yourself useful by showing the way to those you come in contact with, by your own attitude and way of life. You must walk the walk. You are what you think.
Love to All
Ray

Just yesterday, the light bulb went off to this quantum being that I finally received the answer to one of my most compelling questions... and that has been, "What is the foundation of my intentions." And the answer I (finally!) got was - "Attitude."

I then strangely began to consider, is my attitude a choice? I am now in experimental stage in this regard. I will report my conclusions once I am comfortable I have enough data gathered.

Something smells to me like I might be on the right track.

Thanks, Ray... Love to All, Chester

I do see you are on the right track here, Chester. To me, attitude is everything.
Getting the handle on attitude is tough, however. It feels like one is pretending....
sort of like an actor, who has to go deep into their emotional memory bank to express
feelings which aren't really there at that moment.
So what causes given attitudes and feelings at a given moment?
Weather, hormones physical sensations? Habitual thought patterns?

[Chester]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
I clearly understand what you are saying abob, and agree when the word 'weapon' is used in the sense of 'to deliberately wound'.

Have you ever had someone very upset with you...so upset their anger boils over and they want to start a fight...

Actually, yes, not long ago on this very forum...

Is my lack of anger, my inner peace, a weapon? Their reaction would say yes. In my heart, I say no. What say you?

Conflicted emotional reactivity is not a symptom of true spirituality. Inner peace is. Words often complicate and confuse, as much as they clarify. I would not call inner peace a weapon, I would call it our natural state. If one wishes to designate it as a weapon, that would indicate the sense of or belief in a threat that requires defense. However, all we are ever really trying to protect and defend is some fabricated image we have of ourselves. In true spirituality, there is no "other".

Blessings!

At my deepest level, I agree fully with you, another bob.

At the same time, I understand how we can sometimes get riled up even though our heartfelt intentions are aimed at similar goals, to see... to live in a world of peace.

I discovered that when I get all wound up by a post in Avalon, there is something within me I still haven't faced, haven't owned and have yet to deconstruct down to the various lies I told myself to create the "anger flareup." I found it best, first, not to "react" post. I then attempt to perform the above process. I have been making good strides in undoing many of the lies I have told myself... the lies I bought into and I am having some very different experiences now in my life.

A shame it may all end in the next 5 to 8 months... soon to be 4 to 6 months. But who knows... I found it a pretty safe bet to bet on love, because I have never seen a single case where love did not win a bet.

Glad to see you here Belle and another bob and Beren and Christian and Logan and WhiteCrowBlackDear and Anchor and Rocky_Shorz and all my other friends here.

justone

EDIT: and Ulli... wow, I just ran across your post!

[Chester]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So if you want to activate your 'junk' DNA you need to live a life of peace, harmony and unconditional love, you need to make yourself useful by showing the way to those you come in contact with, by your own attitude and way of life. You must walk the walk. You are what you think.
Love to All
Ray

Just yesterday, the light bulb went off to this quantum being that I finally received the answer to one of my most compelling questions... and that has been, "What is the foundation of my intentions." And the answer I (finally!) got was - "Attitude."

I then strangely began to consider, is my attitude a choice? I am now in experimental stage in this regard. I will report my conclusions once I am comfortable I have enough data gathered.

Something smells to me like I might be on the right track.

Thanks, Ray... Love to All, Chester

I do see you are on the right track here, Chester. To me, attitude is everything.
Getting the handle on attitude is tough, however. It feels like one is pretending....
sort of like an actor, who has to go deep into their emotional memory bank to express
feelings which aren't really there at that moment.
So what causes given attitudes and feelings at a given moment?
Weather, hormones physical sensations? Habitual thought patterns?

I don't act - I "be."

With one exception - the game I am playing at the office I currently work in. But it is a conscious game and thus is honest in that the goal of my game is for the game to go away. It is funny too, in light of Rocky_Shorz excellent post above... that is the same tactic I have been using most of the time. Yet, I also have had to play the, who can be the most forceful individual when two or more are speaking with the "big guy" (the boss person). I am already well hated by the current #1 and so it appears my goals are indeed far along. Strangely, I also sense this person will one day thank me (if their ego will allow) for playing a proactive role in freeing them from their prison.

WoW! Is that one of the things I might be here to do? Interesting - as "the voice" whispers, "yes."

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Just yesterday, the light bulb went off to this quantum being that I finally received the answer to one of my most compelling questions... and that has been, "What is the foundation of my intentions." And the answer I (finally!) got was - "Attitude."

I then strangely began to consider, is my attitude a choice? I am now in experimental stage in this regard. I will report my conclusions once I am comfortable I have enough data gathered.

Something smells to me like I might be on the right track.

Thanks, Ray... Love to All, Chester

That's a wonderfully practical approach to have towards the spiritual path, I guess that's what this forum is all about.
I like the idea that your 'Attitude' forms your intention to to look back on itself as 'Attitude', this is rather like the talk of 'One Consciousness' becoming the many so that it may experience itself.


About the notion earlier, of spirituality as a weapon. I have felt like this at times, but not any more. I now see spirituality as our last and only hope...
"The Only Way to Win, is Not To Fight", I can't remember where I heard that phrase, it's just come into my head...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So if you want to activate your 'junk' DNA you need to live a life of peace, harmony and unconditional love, you need to make yourself useful by showing the way to those you come in contact with, by your own attitude and way of life. You must walk the walk. You are what you think.
Love to All
Ray

Attitude and Intention - two big ones in my book. I remember years ago a co-worker saying to me: "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." Of course at the time, I didn't get it fully. Now I realize my tone of voice and attitude are so important - as well as understanding my own intention. (i.e. Am I really trying to help here, or am I looking for recognition or trying to get my own way, etc. And then, the follow up question: Why am I[ (you fill in the blank)

Just yesterday, the light bulb went off to this quantum being that I finally received the answer to one of my most compelling questions... and that has been, "What is the foundation of my intentions." And the answer I (finally!) got was - "Attitude."

I then strangely began to consider, is my attitude a choice? I am now in experimental stage in this regard. I will report my conclusions once I am comfortable I have enough data gathered.

Something smells to me like I might be on the right track.

Thanks, Ray... Love to All, Chester

Attitude and Intention - two big ones in my book. I remember years ago a co-worker saying to me: "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." Of course at the time, I didn't get it fully. Now I realize my tone of voice and attitude are so important - as well as understanding my own intention. (i.e. Am I really trying to help here, or am I looking for recognition or trying to get my own way, etc. And then, the follow up question: Why am I[ (you fill in the blank).

As long as I keep pulling back the layers of what I'm doing and honestly looking at the "Whys" - I keep moving forward in an upward direction and my life continues to become more joyful and placid.

As for 'Why we're here': I believe there's a collective reason, which is to elevate human consciousness - but also, each has a personal reason as well.

But again, that's what I think right now. Ten minutes from now it may be different.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
My question is 'now what do we do with it.'

Personal Perception

The tortoise and the hare: it's critical to develop inner timing for it all to unfold in it's proper sequence with the greater picture. That's an honorable challenge. Patience with self and allowance for everyone to be where they are in the experiential process. We each are responsible to keep digging for the blind spots that hold us captive from our Light. And our shared caring for a better world through expression of ideas is a physical representation of Love and Co-creation in action.

A Wish

My wish is for everyone to see the hidden likeness rather than the differences in us All. Sometimes the human element is lost when the one eclipses another’s idea with clever factoids and parallel talk.

An Observation and Opinion

Project Avalon is a mini-model of the World. We loose ground when there’s disintegration rather than integration. We all benefit when each is cognizant of mutual respect for differences, and stays open to the larger message of the posts. It begins there. If it’s not a safe place to share, we lose the sensitive ones with a creative twist to the puzzle. I keep coming back to the point that lets get beyond the ego stuff. We all problem solve differently, that’s what makes it richer environment and increase the possibilities.

An Idea

One suggestion is brain storm on a real world situation. This exchange at Project Avalon is a spring board to the greater community on the web and beyond the computer. Guests may bring these ideas out to other forums, or families or small communities. There’s no right or wrong way or even if it bombs, the action steps alone raise consciousness and create unifying energies. So only success comes from any action, no matter how small.

An Outcome

In the beginning, it serves as a working example of how to process and share. Other side benefits increase like growth of non-judgement, creativity, and how ideas trigger solutions. This focus naturally flows from the individual to the Unity of the Whole. So in essence we demonstrate how to be teachers and students exchanging ideas on all levels. All while individual essence deepens and uniqueness is preserved as well.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

This was one fantastic post.

I came to Avalon because I thought I could be helpful to others such that i might find a true, reason to live. Unfortunately (though I did not know this at the time) I was perhaps the sickest one here. So in truth, I came to Avalon to save my own ass. BUT, somehow the love here, pulled my head out of that orifice just enough to see some actually light of day.

Now I come to Avalon to be in "right, positive relationship" with others.

The guidelines you outlined above are perfect for a clown like me. I think I will print this and paste it on my wall.

Again, thank you WhiteCrowBlackDeer, Love to you, Chester

I am honored, Chester.... And thank you.
Love,
Paula

[Belle]

Posted by justoneman (here)
I don't act - I "be."

Love it, Chester....I find it so much easier to simply be who I am than remember which face I put before individuals...or even myself!

btw, love your new avatar, justonehuggybear.

- Rocky_Shorz - it's your big ol Joe Biden Grin that makes them explode...

Rocky...that's my very own big sh!t-eating grin on my face...most people smile back, but there are some who do a slow burn...

- AwakeInADream -I now see spirituality as our last and only hope...
"The Only Way to Win, is Not To Fight", I can't remember where I heard that phrase, it's just come into my head...

I believe it was our dear Paula, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, who spoke that particular pearl of wisdom.


(I'm still messing up quotes after all this time....duh! and it took three tries to get this right...okay, at least close. May not be pretty, but I think I got it all in.)

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
I don't act - I "be."

Love it, Chester....I find it so much easier to simply be who I am than remember which face I put before individuals...or even myself!

btw, love your new avatar, justonehuggybear.


Rocky...that's my very own big sh!t-eating grin on my face...most people smile back, but there are some who do a slow burn...


[QUOTE - AwakeInADream]I now see spirituality as our last and only hope...
"The Only Way to Win, is Not To Fight", I can't remember where I heard that phrase, it's just come into my head...

I believe it was our dear Paula, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, who spoke that particular pearl of wisdom.

Thank you, Belle. I do like that one, too. Though, it's not mine.

My philosophy and I call it Warrior's Wisdom: "The Strong walk away for there is no need to prove a thing."

[Belle]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Belle (here)

- AwakeInADream - I now see spirituality as our last and only hope...
"The Only Way to Win, is Not To Fight", I can't remember where I heard that phrase, it's just come into my head...

I believe it was our dear Paula, WhiteCrowBlackDeer, who spoke that particular pearl of wisdom.

Thank you, Belle. I do like that one, too. Though, it's not mine.

My philosophy and I call it Warrior's Wisdom: "The Strong walk away for there is no need to prove a thing."

It sounded like something you would say...sorry for the misquote.

I do like your Warrior's Wisdom better tho'...seems to fit with what we are here to do...be strong in ourselves, who we are, our spirituality...that's all we need do...just 'be' quoting justoneman...and quoting AwakeInADream who sees 'spirituality as our last and only hope...'.

How's that for trying to bring things back to topic?

[Rocky_Shorz]

remember once your Spirituality connects to God, it can be very powerful...

I was in a thread about 9/11 and everyone was pointing at Daddy Bush...

a Hurricane rolling towards the Gulf suddenly veered and roared straight at Maine...

I do my best not to get upset with anyone now...

[AwakeInADream]

Hey Rocky_Shorz! When you refer to your visions as 'just a dream' with a wink are you being serious? Do you not think they are much more than that?

I have come to find that there are 3 types of dream in my experience:

1. Regular dreams that everyone has.

2. Lucid dreams that most people have.

And 3. Full on spiritual visions, where you know that it is not a dream, and you really have been transported to a higher place.

I have been having more and more of these spiritual dreams lately, and I know that others have too. I always get scared if I start to see things in
meditation and so they quickly fade, that's why I assume they are taking it easy on me by coming too me in dreams.
The best one I ever had was over a year ago when before I went to sleep I asked God what his nature was and how did the Holy Trinity fit in with this.
I didn't expect any results from this, but the dream that followed was the most beautiful and profound experience of my life, because I was given the answer.

First off I saw a man in a white robe with white hair and a long white beard, I think he must have been my guide but I only see him once a year if I'm lucky,
I don't even know his name. In answer to my question he projected his thoughts into my mind so that they became my own.
There were no words at all, only higher telepathy, but in that moment I knew for sure exactly who God was, and understood completely what the Trinity meant.
He also showed me a bright light, that was a representation God as 3 in 1 (In no way do I believe that I saw the real face of God, but even the image was beyond words),
and I could have stayed in that light, with that knowing, for all of eternity, completely fulfilled, and satisfied.

As you can imagine, when I woke up back into this world, I was completely depressed.
The knowledge of God I was given, mind to mind, was lost completely, and only the memory of the feeling remained.
You see, I can describe the dream as I am doing now, but I really can't put into words that knowledge I had of God whilst I was there.
I do have hope however, that I may one day again experience this level of consciousness, and that is all now I strive to do.

It's been more than a year now, and I haven't been able to repeat the experience, or see my guide. Maybe the knowledge has been planted in me,
and I just have to wait for it to filter through. I don't know, but I am of the mind now, that even if the only reason we are here at all, is simply to know God.
Then it is absolutely worth it!

So I know for sure what I want to experience again. Knowledge of God.
I hope everyone on the planet gets to experience this, and I think that they will in time.

I feel a little selfish saying, 'I am here only to gain knowledge of God'.
So I'll add to that also we are here to help each other to gain this simple knowledge of God, and let none be left behind.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Belle (here)
How's that for trying to bring things back to topic?

You task master, you.... ha!

"What we may be here to do?" The short answer, for me, is just Be. It’s inside. Part of my path was outside to get to the inside.

What am I here to do? Does there have to be one answer? I ask myself this because it depends from which perspective. My personal code uses descriptives such as, to “Be” the kindness, love, tolerance, respect, understanding, forgiveness for self and others, etc.

In an earlier version of me, six-ish and on, listened and continues to listen to Nature’s whispers and all her kingdoms. (and interacts, some might call it imagination, I did not, that’s why I could and sometimes can.) Today, I’d describe it as “Be” within/among All.

An the early teen version, got inspiration from a philosophy book by Krishnamurti. He expressed things that I mostly didn’t understand. But I still read because it moved me sometimes to peace and silence, or I felt guidance. It only took awareness, though I didn’t have a need for a vocabulary word. Nor did I have a reason to ask why am I here? I just allowed the sensations to come up and then leave. I knew they’d come back.

Those small discoveries were big. They served me in ways that I would not have expected. Now, I’ve got the advantage of an older version. I see the paths I’ve chosen, with some mighty challenging ones. They were done one step at a time. And I remained open to spontaneity and synchronicity.

Do I even need to ask why am I here? The short answer is just Be. It’s all inside.

I’m a combination of all the versions of the many lives, in just this one life time alone. (plus other lives) So the question “What am I here to do?” becomes “What we may be here to do?”. The answer for ‘this’ moment is: “I” continues on the experience, with spontaneity and synchronicity as my wingmen.

And...there’s a distant but distinct inner knowing, I conjoins with the “We”.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[Belle]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
How's that for trying to bring things back to topic?

You task master, you.... ha!

No, no task master here...just was concerned that I might have derailed the thread and wanted to get back to topic before someone else noticed...

When it gets right down to it....I am who I am and I do what I do because that's who I am and what I do.

Clear as mud?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Belle (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
How's that for trying to bring things back to topic?

You task master, you.... ha!

No, no task master here...just was concerned that I might have derailed the thread and wanted to get back to topic before someone else noticed...

When it gets right down to it....I am who I am and I do what I do because that's who I am and what I do.

Clear as mud?

I should have put a big, big smilie because it was only meant as a joke. Here replace Ha! with .

So, now, I'm re-reading your post: I see lots and lots of smilies in it. I'm guessing I've been too literal and you are joking, too. So I'll add one more great big & a

Ugg!, so exhausting...communication by computer... Note to self: work on mind-message mails.

[Anchor]

What we may be here to do?

Well here is one thing...

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.

Amen.
--St Francis.



I was listentening to a blog talk radio session where this came up as an example of the third density challenge we face - polarity. There it is folks, its all in there. St Francis clearly made his choice!

Love.