Who are the 24 Elders, A revelation

[SilentFeathers]

The "24" are not humans or angels....

[lookbeyond]

Hi Silentfeathers, can you elaborate?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Kimberley]

Thank you BillyJ,

I will have to come back to this to read all..however I have been friends with Billy for a few years now and know how genuine he and his experiences are.

If you are interested you can hear Billy talking about his experiences in these two interviews with him that we did ... Billy is a very loved freind of mine!!! :-)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/beloven...ower-to-decide

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/beloven...ing-in-the-now

Much love to us all!!

[kersley]

Great work Billyj.
I would like to know more about what HH said in regards to who are these beings in the earth. where can I read more about this?
Cheers

[Billy]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The "24" are not humans or angels....

Hi Silentfeathers. I say you are correct about the angels but i believe that some of the 24 have human form. Maybe you could explain you're comment further.

Peace

[Billy]

Posted by kersley (here)
Great work Billyj.
I would like to know more about what HH said in regards to who are these beings in the earth. where can I read more about this?
Cheers

Hi Kersley. Thank you.

The only information i have on HH are the links i already provided. HH arrived at ATS forum and spent a little time communicating with members then left. you can read all that was said through the link i provided.

peace

[deridan]

read till there:
"I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet. " Close", I was told. The reply was "More than that" I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected to universal civilizations."


& the punch is so great i must believe u, [& just mellow that far into your song for now.]Greetings, greetings kindred and longer than i yearHere now

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Hi Silentfeathers, can you elaborate?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The "24" are not humans or angels....

Hi Silentfeathers. I say you are correct about the angels but i believe that some of the 24 have human form. Maybe you could explain you're comment further.

Peace

I honestly can't remember.....I did an extensive translation study about this (Revelation/24 elders/etc) probably about 30 years ago, I would have to dig all my papers out on this and really don't have time nor feel like it.

But what I do remember from all those years ago is that in my own mind through this research and study is I recall till this day quite vividly that I personally came to my own conclusion back then that the 24 Elders could not be human nor angels....I recall it had something to do with the translations, almost every English Bible is not translated correctly and quite misleading to say the least.

[Billy]

Posted by deridan (here)
read till there:
"I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet. " Close", I was told. The reply was "More than that" I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected to universal civilizations."


& the punch is so great i must believe u, [& just mellow that far into your song for now.]Greetings, greetings kindred and longer than i yearHere now

Thank you for you're response deridan. I am trying to read into you're comment here. There is no requirement in believing others when they are expressing or sharing a personal experience.

If one reads further into the thread maybe some parts of my picture of the jigsaw will begin to form a personal picture for the reader. All i asked from the reader is to use some imagination with what i present here. As i was also recommended to use my imagination as a creative energy when i had my experience in Bosnia with Mother Mary. I agree with what Einstien says concerning imagination.

1. “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”

2. “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

The latter part of you're comment, I am sorry to say, I do not understand.

Enjoy my song.

Peace

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for this, a great read I have to say...

I don't usually hold with channelled material, as it is either A) mostly garbled by human-ego factors, B) comes from some 'source' (psyop/spiritual) whose chief intent is to deceive.

So very few I will trust, but a litmus test of the nature of the information can quickly ascertain what is what, and this 24-elders material aligns very closely with my own understanding, a lot of which is drawn from 'The Law of One' - the Ra Material. Have you Billyji encountered this yet, and how does it fit into your current paradigm?

cheers

[rgray222]

Billy
I enjoyed your post but to be honest it was long and at times hard to follow (at least for me). What I am about to say please take it in the spirit it was meant. I think sometimes people have a tendency to give us way too much information (not just on Avalon but on websites, newspapers etc) it seems that a summary with all the salient points might work much better, that way no one gets left in the weeds attempting to find their way out. Also it would provide a forum for those that are interested to ask questions to get additional information if they desire it.
I have read through the thread several times and have some questions I would like to get your thoughts on.
Like you have done on your post I will provide a bit of background on myself
My Beliefs

• I was raised a Catholic but over the years have attended virtually every church I could go to from Baptist to Synagogue in an attempt to find one that fit my personality and evolving beliefs. I have come to regard organized religion as a mechanism to shape man's behavior. I believe the intention was good but it is a case of a few people attempting to force their beliefs on all of mankind. I also believe as man gains more wisdom he will become more religious but will not need organized religion to do so!
• I have followed and searched my entire life for meanings, asking questions about our existence, what happened before human life and what happens after human life. What does everything in between mean. It is unacceptable (for me) to be put on this planet and live a life that is filled with family, work, pleasure, pain and love and not get to its purpose. I know for a fact that it is the soul that is on the journey and the human form we take in this life is no more than a learning, wisdom gaining experience. Knowing that does not alleviate the desire to understand the entire process we are going through.
• I also believe that universe is much greater than anything we can imagine, it contains and holds all the secrets of life. There will be time when all is revealed to each soul, between incarnations each soul sees more but does not truly understand all (at least not yet)
• My goal is to understand humanity and it has taken me on a mental and geographical trip that I would like to think is winding down. I have lived all over the world, immersed myself in many different cultures. Frankly it has been rewarding but has not brought me much closer to getting the answers I desire.
• I now believe that the answers are simply right in front of us, there is no reason to search elsewhere, we only need to ask the right questions and listen hard for the right answers. As usual things are not as complicated as we make them, the truth is not complex, we just need to open our eyes to see the truth!

Questions
1. Why would the bible or scripture be only partially true? If the bible or scriptures were left as a map to help us get to our final destination they would be all true or they would be all false, if were they left as something to mislead mankind then they should be discarded altogether. I find it difficult to believe that we should only take parts of the bible as true.
Rand Corp discussion with an entity
1. What does time colliding mean?
Hidden Hand
1. Who is Hidden Hand, he/it seems to be part of a group that travels the universe fulfilling contracts for different heads of civilizations. In your post you mention "for Yahweh", it is my understanding that Yahweh also means God, is that correct? HH is described as 'group soul Lucifer'. What group is this and what exactly is their role in the greater scheme of things?
2. Life is a game, I find that an unsettling concept, that we are being negatively polarized I find almost appalling. I find it even more disturbing that we are being provided with negative things to make our living on this planet as senseless as possible. This implies that we are merely toys for our God to play with, that wars, disease, famine, poverty are nothing more than horrible learning experiences for the pleasure of a higher beings. Apparently what pleases the entities or higher being is the suffering of mankind. I have never bought into that, it sounds way to organized religion for me. So much of religious doctrine 'use to be' the suffering of mankind insures a place in heaven for him! I would like to get your take on the entire HH discussion and in particular the need for 'negativity' and also the 'game'.
I have more question, in particular about the council/elders but I will leave it here for now. After all I am running into my own rule as not to make things too long.
Thanks.......look forward to your response

[lookbeyond]

Dear rgray222- re the Bible and its misleading/wrong bits- when i started to wake up i researched on the internet re history of Bibles inclusion in organised religion- at that time i was going thru my catholic stage- many variables have thru out history affected the Bible as we know it today.

Eg-various interpretations/errors in translations which have given misleading meaning to words/concepts

-control of which books of Bible were to be included as the official catholic version by roman chuch-and the forbiding of reading of unincluded gospels even to this day.

-literal versus symbolic interpretation

- different Bibles for different western religions

The cracks in the evolution to this day are compelling, and yet there is wisdom there and different layers to the wisdom which jump out at the reader who is reading with a seeking heart.


love lookbeyond

[Billy]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)
Thanks for this, a great read I have to say...

I don't usually hold with channelled material, as it is either A) mostly garbled by human-ego factors, B) comes from some 'source' (psyop/spiritual) whose chief intent is to deceive.

So very few I will trust, but a litmus test of the nature of the information can quickly ascertain what is what, and this 24-elders material aligns very closely with my own understanding, a lot of which is drawn from 'The Law of One' - the Ra Material. Have you Billyji encountered this yet, and how does it fit into your current paradigm?

cheers

Hi Star. I also am wary of channeled material. This was why i chose electronic communications, Transceiver Phyllis, And HH and science to bring my theory forward, I read some of the Ra Material last year. And yes much of it resonated with me. I have to borrow the book again and read it in more detail. taking notes this time.

I think what i say at the end of the report is my current paradigm.

Quote:
Billyji here again. In concluding, My own personal belief is that humanity has the essence of many universal civilizations within them. Those civilizations are from many levels. from the highest to the lowest. Humanity has within them the Key towards universal peace. This peace begins with self then expands outwards to our neighbours and countries, Then the universal peace begins. because we have brought them together within us.
Peace be with you all.

There was also a thread that was posted last July. the topic was a racist emoticon here on Avalon. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...486#post529486

My reply was this. The thread i mention at the end of my comment is this one. the 24 elders.

Quote:
I am not sure how to express what i feel here, but i will try.

The racist card has been in play for thousand's of years in the divide and conquer plan. I feel it would benefit humanity more if we as a human race focussed more on what we all have in common rather than what "we allow" to divide us. researching why we appear to be different visually would also benefit humanity as this would bring into the bigger picture of who we are and where we come from. For example, who were the different universal civilizations that were involved in the seeding process of humanity. The different DNA codes that were implanted into the different tribes that make us look different, have varied belief systems various so called Gods and different cultures.

For me the bigger picture of the mission within this game of life for humanity is assisting in breaking down the divisions between universal civilizations that have been at logger heads for eons. We can achieve this great task because many of the civilizations that exist within higher and lower levels/frequency are all within us. When we have achieved peace and harmony within our selves to begin with, we bring together many civilizations. and that is only one person. We then work together as human beings breaking down the "fear" of being different because we realize we are all one family. When we love one another in peace and harmony we are bringing together many many universal civilizations through us.

Quite a task i know. Look at the bigger picture and see a being with love as a whole universe, I hope to begin a thread one day with this topic in mind,

until then peace be with you all.

We could go universal with this one

Peace

[Billy]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Billy
I enjoyed your post but to be honest it was long and at times hard to follow (at least for me).

Thank you rgray. Today i do not have much time for the internet as i do not have a connection in my caravan and have to travel to the post office for a connection. The village post office/shop is only open for a couple of hours on a Sunday. I will reply in more detail over the next few days.

For just now, I mentioned at the beginning of my thread that i had an experience with Mother Mary in Bosnia in 1985. What attracted me to travel to Bosnia was one message that Mother Mary gave that i heard about in Scotland. She first of all gave all Catholics a telling off for praying to her. She said, when you pray, do not pray to me but ask me to be by you're side and we shall pray together.

She then said. In God there is no religion, religion is man made and brings division, there is no division in God, But at the same time please have respect for All religions.
End Quote:

I have lived my life with this message ever since.

I was not a Catholic at that time but i did convert a few years later because of what i was asked to do when i was there. I am not a practicing Catholic at this time because of some horrific experiences i had. But i met some wonderful gifted Catholics over the years. If you would like to listen to the whole story then the links that Kimberley posted above is where i share this experience. or here for a short written account. goldring.wetpaint.com/page/Mother+Mary+~+by+Billy

Like lookbeyond says. It is more (Eg-various interpretations/errors in translations which have given misleading meaning to words/concepts)

Mauro Biglino's literal translation of some books in the OT is a very worth while read. To see where translations have been misinterpreted.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...iterally-UFO-s

Yahweh was one of the many Elohim beings who descended. He announced that he was God, It was humanity that made him into a God. This is one of the misinterpretations in the OT.

You really have to read the HH material to understand where they are coming from. links provided on the OP. HH says that his soul group and Yahweh were at logger heads with each other.

Please do not take HH or any of my information as a truth. I do explain this at the beginning of HH material in the OP. I used only the parts that referred to the Elders.

I shall respond in more detail when i have more time. Until then.

Peace be with you.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks Billy. I still have to give the whole lucifer group-soul concept some more thought, but as far as the Yahweh intervention goes, it all ties in quite neatly with the Ra stuff.

BTW. You can get (download as PDF) the whole Law of One series for free here:

http://llresearch.org/library/the_la...f_one_pdf.aspx

[Billy]

Hi rgray. I will attempt to reply further. But i think you know all the answers already.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Billy[*]I was raised a Catholic but over the years have attended virtually every church I could go to from Baptist to Synagogue in an attempt to find one that fit my personality and evolving beliefs.

I also have attended Christian churches of all denominations. Mosques, Synagogues, Stayed with Buddhist in India. Also stayed with Hindu's and have been invited into Temples where Westerners were not permitted to enter. But i was not seeking anything. I took my Creator with me.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
[*]I also believe that universe is much greater than anything we can imagine, it contains and holds all the secrets of life. There will be time when all is revealed to each soul, between incarnations each soul sees more but does not truly understand all (at least not yet)

I agree that the Universe contains all the secrets, I also believe that each person here on earth is a whole Universe. Secrets of Knowledge and wisdom contained within also with many universal civilizations within them. As I mentioned above.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
[*]My goal is to understand humanity and it has taken me on a mental and geographical trip that I would like to think is winding down. I have lived all over the world, immersed myself in many different cultures. Frankly it has been rewarding but has not brought me much closer to getting the answers I desire.
[*]I now believe that the answers are simply right in front of us, there is no reason to search elsewhere, we only need to ask the right questions and listen hard for the right answers. As usual things are not as complicated as we make them, the truth is not complex, we just need to open our eyes to see the truth!

You said it exactly. the searching begins and ends with self. [/LIST]
Questions

Posted by rgray222 (here)
1. What does time colliding mean?
Hidden Hand

My opinion of time colliding is the same as the compression of time. research the Mayan's for the compression of time. There is no other time as is Now for to witness the compression of time reaching zero point.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
1. Who is Hidden Hand, he/it seems to be part of a group that travels the universe fulfilling contracts for different heads of civilizations. In your post you mention "for Yahweh", it is my understanding that Yahweh also means God, is that correct? HH is described as 'group soul Lucifer'. What group is this and what exactly is their role in the greater scheme of things?

Covered in previous post.

Posted by rgray222 (here)
2. Life is a game, I find that an unsettling concept, that we are being negatively polarized I find almost appalling. I find it even more disturbing that we are being provided with negative things to make our living on this planet as senseless as possible. This implies that we are merely toys for our God to play with, that wars, disease, famine, poverty are nothing more than horrible learning experiences for the pleasure of a higher beings. Apparently what pleases the entities or higher being is the suffering of mankind. I have never bought into that, it sounds way to organized religion for me. So much of religious doctrine 'use to be' the suffering of mankind insures a place in heaven for him! I would like to get your take on the entire HH discussion and in particular the need for 'negativity' and also the 'game'.
I have more question, in particular about the council/elders but I will leave it here for now. After all I am running into my own rule as not to make things too long.
Thanks.......look forward to your response

As i mentioned in my previous post please do not take everything that HH says as a truth. Truth for some reason has a habit of not being crystal clear. Truth hides itself to be found. I love the saying. Out of S**T grows roses. And in my opinion that is how truth reveals itself. But you have to dig into the myre to find the gems of truth.

Some say life is a game, others say life is an experiment . I agree with both.
Please do not find the game of life unsettling, Appalling, disturbing, You create fear within when you feel those emotions. It really depends on how we embrace the game.
Humanity has ALLOWED the game to be played out by the controllers, their rules and regulations.

The game or experiment goes like this. We agree to an allusion of separation from
our own divinity and creator. We forget who we are. But we have a gift called free will. We descend to the densest of planets where the light of our creator has not yet shone. This same planet has been highjacked by entities of the lower dimensions, who play the game of not allowing the creators light to shine on this planet.

So now, does humanity ALLOW this to happen??

Or does humanity through free will, bring the light of the creator to shine on this earth.
which in turn lightens the density of the planet and humanity.

We can change the game, The game involves consciousness, In fact i am just beginning to feel that we already have or are in the process of a game change. A new timeline.

I really have already said this in my OP in a different way. follow the links provided.

Remember there are two positives and two negatives. An unbalanced positive or a balanced positive, an unbalanced negative or a balanced negative. If both are balanced then you have won the game.

Enjoy the game, embrace the negativity with love, allow it to go through you're being then release it. you have now transformed darkness into light.

Shine on

Peace be with you.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's BillyJi! Great insights into Mother Mary's attitude towards prayer and Religion in post 34!

I too have a healthy respect (and love) for all Religion's, but choose none for myself.

[Billy]

Posted by billyji (here)
Who are the 24 Elders Part 4
Our Junk DNA is the topic. Here I allow you to do your own research. there are quite a few threads already here on Avalon on this topic.


I think this takes me to the end of this thread, I am going brain dead now. I did have more links but I lost 20% of my research when my laptop was zapped a couple of months ago. Alex Collier, Bruce Lipton, Goerge Kavassilas and Pane Andov, were just a few more that had input concerning the above topics. If you happen to come across more information from those guys and others please post it in here.


The Elders/civilizations have said that they wish humankind to have awareness of them. This was in 1976. And still today I see no evidence that humanity has any awareness of them.

I managed to find the video by Pane Andov where he mentions our genetic DNA potential. You will find this at the 1hr 10min mark. Now again i am not saying i agree a 100% with what Pane brings to the table but i do agree with his statement concerning our DNA.


Pane says. We need to remember who we are. We are infinite consciousness. At the moment we operating only at 3% of our genetic active material. The energy that comes will change everything. The more of the DNA potential that is awakened the more we are able to access the higher harmonics of the universe.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1q2Du_DkKbo

[Billy]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Thank's BillyJi! Great insights into Mother Mary's attitude towards prayer and Religion in post 34!

I too have a healthy respect (and love) for all Religion's, but choose none for myself.

Thank you Awakeinadream.

Yes Mother Mary spoke words of wisdom when she appeared in Bosnia Herzegovina in 1981. She came to warn about the war that did not have to happen. As it turned out nobody listened to her message of peace and the result was one of the most horrific war and acts of genocide against the Bosnian Muslims.

Although i respect and embrace all religions, I also chose not to follow any set religion. We create our own belief systems. With 7 billion belief systems on the go in our world today ( even Atheist's have a belief system) I have wondered how on earth can humanities consciousness reach the critical mass for us to manifest peace in our world.

Maybe that is what we all have in common. The desire for peace along with the intention to manifest peace. Which in turn breaks down the divisions we have created.

Peace.

[deridan]

my best atheist friend, must from many past lives, have one of the greatest instincts for spirituality,
always he is in the mode which is least depletive, so-that while he never fills his store,--consciously atleast {he has some aspects of bliss consciousness which fill him},[ he never looses it also]

yet how can we say always,....all of us are spiritual beings, the local environment which we call ourselves (athiest, c, m, j, h, b) is really nothing on the types of vibratory spiritual beings we are, our distribution thru expressio-somes

[later, later agian]