Mathematical Questions

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's Paul!

I understand it now, and I've tested it out in trying to find out the wavelength 432Hz would get in space.

In space the speed of sound is 300 Kilometers/Sec which is 984251.9685 Feet/Sec.

984251.6985/432==2278.360413 Feet.

So the wavelength of 432Hz in space is 2278.36 Feet (is that right?).

A very long wavelength, and that's why in space "No One Can Hear You Scream!", because the wavelength is too long for the ear to detect.

So there is sound in space, we just can't hear it.

Could the orbits of the planets be seen as a wavelength?

And if so how could I turn that wavelength into a Hertz measurement so that I can find out the musical notes which correspond to each planet?

In order to find the 'Music of the Sphere's' that Pythagoras could apparently hear.

Or to look at it another way, if I imagined the planets to be hollow steel balls, how could I find out the frequency that would result from striking each one?

That was very interesting about the organs with their lowest note at 8.2Hz(close to the Schumann resonance ). That frequency can not be heard, but I wonder if the organ's were designed to have a psychological effect...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
In space the speed of sound is 300 Kilometers/Sec which is 984251.9685 Feet/Sec.

984251.6985/432==2278.360413 Feet.

So the wavelength of 432Hz in space is 2278.36 Feet (is that right?).

A very long wavelength, and that's why in space "No One Can Hear You Scream!", because the wavelength is too long for the ear to detect.

So there is sound in space, we just can't hear it.

Oops - a minor confusion here.

In space (the vacuum of "outer" space) the speed of light is about 300,000 Kilometers/Sec. There is no sound in the vacuum of outer space, hence no speed of sound to consider, because sound is the vibration of air, and there is rather a shortage of air in a vacuum.

Also there is an error in one of your numbers ... the speed of light is 983571056 ft/sec, not 984251 ft/sec. The decimal point was off by three places.

You are correct in calculating a wavelength by dividing the velocity by the frequency. So the wavelength of "light" in a vacuum that is 432 Hz would be 983571056/432 == 2276784 feet, or 431 miles.

The key lesson from the above is that frequencies and wavelengths are measures of the vibration of something ... don't lose track of what that something is ... sound vibrating air, light vibrating in the electromagnetic field (some would say of an ether), ...

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by Paul (here)
Oops - a minor confusion here.

Those are my middle names.

Cheers Paul!

[AwakeInADream]

If I had some typical organ pipes that were the same length as the proportions on The Statue of Liberty, then I can use the wavelength formula to give me the frequency in Hertz that these pipes would produce.


*Note also the face is 8 feet long*

Height in feet divided by 4 is the wavelength.

Speed of sound divided by the wavelength is the frequency in Hertz.

305/4=76.25 and then 1126/76.25=14.7 Hertz: In music roughly an A# note.

In the same way 151 becomes 29.8 Hertz: A# again so the proportion is in musical harmony.

111 becomes 40.59 Hertz: An E note, also 40Hz is reported to be the brains overall operating frequency. 111 is a very holy number too showing the unity of God.

The face at 8 feet would be 563 Hertz: A C# note.

The musical notes taken from these imagined organ pipes in proportion to the statue
can all be found in the A# Blues Scale, in fact E and C# are the flattened 5th and flattened 3rd respectively and are called the blue notes. The overall chord created would be A#m with a flattened 5th which sounds rather tense and dramatic.

It seems that The Statue of Liberty has got the blues!

I think I understand it now, as long as I don't go out into the vacuum of space.

I hope I got that right in theory, even if it is impractical in the real world. I just find it fun to think of everything in terms of music and frequency.

[araucaria]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I doubt it somehow. The 'Niniveh constant' is probably a much more interesting number: 70 times 60 to the power six. This works out as 1955200000 which, according to Maurice Chatelain, corresponds to the time in seconds for the entire solar system to revert to a previous configuration! It comes to about 6.2 million years, and, ...

Those numbers aren't adding up for me.

1955200000 seconds is about 62 years, not 62 million years.

70 times (60 to the power of 6) is 3265920000000, which is not equal 1955200000, but rather about 1670 times larger.

3265920000000 seconds is about 100,000 years.

So ... searching around Google, according to CHAPTER 18: THE NINEVEH CONSTANT: CELESTIAL HARMONICS (Divine Cosmos, David Wilcock):

• It's spelled the Nineveh Constant, not the Niniveh Constant.
• It's 70 times (60 to the power of 7), not 70 times (60 to the power of 6)
• It's 195,955,200,000, not 1,955,200,000

It is about 6.2 million years.

Sorry Paul, thanks – too tired to remember straight and too tired to check.
The above years and seconds correspond to 2268 million days, equal to the following numbers of cycles:

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

...

So ... searching around Google, according to CHAPTER 18: THE NINEVEH CONSTANT: CELESTIAL HARMONICS (Divine Cosmos, David Wilcock):

• ...
• It's 70 times (60 to the power of 7), not 70 times (60 to the power of 6)
• ...

It is about 6.2 million years.

Sorry Paul, thanks – too tired to remember straight and too tired to check.
The above years and seconds correspond to 2268 million days, equal to the following numbers of cycles:

Yes - 70 times (60 to the power of 7) seconds is the same as 2268 million days .

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

...

So ... searching around Google, according to CHAPTER 18: THE NINEVEH CONSTANT: CELESTIAL HARMONICS (Divine Cosmos, David Wilcock):

• ...
• It's 70 times (60 to the power of 7), not 70 times (60 to the power of 6)
• ...

It is about 6.2 million years.

Sorry Paul, thanks – too tired to remember straight and too tired to check.
The above years and seconds correspond to 2268 million days, equal to the following numbers of cycles:

Yes - 70 times (60 to the power of 7) seconds is the same as 2268 million days .

That's fascinating stuff about The Niveveh constant, it's amazing how the ancient Sumerians knew about it, they must have been cleverer than the Mayans.

It makes me wonder what Pythagoras really learned from all those Mystery Schools he joined.

Thank's for bringing the subject up Araucaria! And thank's to Paul for that great link!

I've worked out that The Niveveh Constant is an octave of 729.99 (EDIT: 712.88 if the constant has 8 0's same note between F/F#)
so in Hertz this would make the fundamental tone of our solar system somewhere between an F and an F#.

Does anyone know how I can put "70 times (60 to the power of 7)" into a spreadsheet?
I use Open Office, but I think it would be the same in Excel. I don't know how to use the POWER function.

Also I wonder if The Niveveh Constant was encoded into the Bible, in the creation story 6 days and the 7th rest?
You know Issac Newton was always looking for hidden mathematical mysteries in the Bible.
He even worked out when the world would end, I can't remember the date he got, but I think we've got quite a long time left yet to go.

EDIT: Actually there is less time than I thought, it's 2060 AD!!
So that's the next end date to worry about. Lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_religious_views

[applecrusher1992]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

...

So ... searching around Google, according to CHAPTER 18: THE NINEVEH CONSTANT: CELESTIAL HARMONICS (Divine Cosmos, David Wilcock):

• ...
• It's 70 times (60 to the power of 7), not 70 times (60 to the power of 6)
• ...

It is about 6.2 million years.

Sorry Paul, thanks – too tired to remember straight and too tired to check.
The above years and seconds correspond to 2268 million days, equal to the following numbers of cycles:

Yes - 70 times (60 to the power of 7) seconds is the same as 2268 million days .

That's fascinating stuff about The Niveveh constant, it's amazing how the ancient Sumerians knew about it, they must have been cleverer than the Mayans.

It makes me wonder what Pythagoras really learned from all those Mystery Schools he joined.

Thank's for bringing the subject up Araucaria! And thank's to Paul for that great link!

I've worked out that The Niveveh Constant is an octave of 729.99
so in Hertz this would make the fundamental tone of our solar system somewhere between an F and an F#.

Does anyone know how I can put "70 times (60 to the power of 7)" into a spreadsheet?
I use Open Office, but I think it would be the same in Excel. I don't know how to use the POWER function.

Also I wonder if The Niveveh Constant was encoded into the Bible, in the creation story 6 days and the 7th rest?
You know Issac Newton was always looking for hidden mathematical mysteries in the Bible.
He even worked out when the world would end, I can't remember the date he got, but I think we've got quite a long time left yet to go.

EDIT: Actually there is less time than I thought, it's 2060 AD!!
So that's the next end date to worry about. Lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_religious_views

60 to the power of 7 is the same as putting "=POWER(60,7)" in one cell(call it cell1), "70" in another cell (call it cell2), and then you call the "=MMULT(cell1, cell2)" in a third cell

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's AppleCrusher! That worked! I had to use ; instead of ,

It gave me 195,955,200,000,000. I think there are too many 0's

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
It gave me 195,955,200,000,000. I think there are too many 0's

That looks like the right number of zero's to me.

From http://web2.0calc.com/, after entering 70 * 60 ^ 7

[araucaria]

There is one tiny discrepancy in these cycles due to the tropical year shortening by 16 millionths of a second per year. Chatelain uses this discrepancy to work out when the Nineveh number was first given: 64800 years ago.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
Nonlinear reality is base 12. Linear reality is base 10.Different realms exist simultaneously.
Out of the subjective base 12 reality emerges the base 10 objective reality.

As the base 10 scientists discredit the base 12 reality (imagination, dreams, etc) to prove themselves right, they are compromising the integrity of Wholeness.

We are TRULY reconciling opposites at this time.

I have to say that looking at math and consciousness together is activating some remembrance. I often contemplate and use sacred geometry consciousness.
If I ever get enough people on board who can understand it enough to use its power, I intend to create a consciousness plan I wrote up several years ago.
Group mind power. We don't use it enough. Why?

Thanks to all for sharing.

Blessings of peace and happiness,
Michelle Marie

Thank's Michelle Marie!
It's fascinating to think about different counting systems, and their effects on consciousness. I've thought of a few more questions to help me understand a little better.

1. In the base 12 system does 12+12=20?

2. When you count the hours on a clock are you using base 60?

3. When you count weeks are you using base 7?

4. When you count years are you using base 365?

5. Also, if all these units of time are measured using different base values,
does this affect our perception of time?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
1. In the base 12 system does 12+12=20?

In any base 5 or higher (so long as 2 + 2 doesn't cause a carry), 12+12 = 24 .

But I'm likely reading that differently than you were.

I am reading both the 12 and 24 in my equation "12+12=24" as being in base 12. I suspect you were reading the 12 in your equation "12+12=20" as being in 10, not base 12.

The number 12, when expressed in base 12, requires all my fingers plus four toes to express. It is two more than a dozen.

The number 24, when expressed in base 12, requires all my fingers, all my toes, four legs of my cat, and four more legs of the neighbor's cat to express. (Normal folks call that "28".)

But the 12 as it appears in the phrase "base 12" requires just all my fingers, plus just two toes to express. That is, I'm always stating the base using base 10.

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Your other questions, involving 60 minutes in an hour, 7 days in a week, and 365 days in a year, were all expressed in ordinary base 10.

If expressed in base 60, there are 10 minutes in an hour.

If expressed in base 7, there are 10 days in a week.

If expressed in base 365, there are 10 days in a year.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's Paul! I got confused.

I've just found this table, that helped me understand it better:


So 10 x 2 = 20 in duodecimal, but in decimal that means 12 x 2 = 24. How strange.

I was confused about time too, but this quote helped me to understand:

We use a duodecimal number system to measure time; although we annotate it in decimal.

http://ideonexus.com/2008/07/08/why-...number-system/

So the answers are always the same no matter what base you use, just the terminology is different.

Are there any advantages to using base 12 over base 10?

I guess Mickey Mouse would use base 8.

[AwakeInADream]

I have another question.

Is there a formula to find out how the speed of sound is affected by temperature?

Like, how hot does it need to be, before the pitch is changed in a noticeable way?

Also, how can you find out what the speed of sound is, as it travels through different bodies, like water or brick?

An example would be if I were to get a loud speaker, and bypassing my ears, played a certain frequency directly into my brain,

how would the speed of the sound change as it passed through the skull, and then how would it change as it passed through the brain?

If sound can be used for healing, then these factors need to be taken into account.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Is there a formula to find out how the speed of sound is affected by temperature?

Perhaps someone else knows ... I've no idea about such things ... sorry.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I have another question.

Is there a formula to find out how the speed of sound is affected by temperature?

Like, how hot does it need to be, before the pitch is changed in a noticeable way?

Also, how can you find out what the speed of sound is, as it travels through different bodies, like water or brick?

An example would be if I were to get a loud speaker, and bypassing my ears, played a certain frequency directly into my brain,

how would the speed of the sound change as it passed through the skull, and then how would it change as it passed through the brain?

If sound can be used for healing, then these factors need to be taken into account.

Hi! math friends,

I haven't been able to keep up since I'm in the process of moving. I've been back and forth between states, and doing Lightwork on many realms. It's been INTENSE!

When I read this post, I pondered how wonderful it would be if I was settled enough to contemplate your questions. They are fascinating questions! To me they help to reconcile paradox, which means we bring things into union, balance, and harmony. These ARE auspicious times.

I'm moving fast...in fact, it feels more like I'm being moved. This rate of change is phenomenal.

In fact, "rate of change" comes to mind as a factor in this question about temperature. We need to not just look at quantity, but also qualities in the essence of the substance.

I'll get more caught up when I can, but I just wanted to check in and say why I disappeared.

Lots of love,
Michelle Marie

[AwakeInADream]

A while back I tried to figure out which colours were octaves of which musical notes,
but I've just found out I made a huge mistake.

The colour green has a frequency between 530-580 Thz.

I ass-u-me-d that Thz meant Thetahertz, but it actually means Terahertz.

One Terahertz is One Trillion Hertz. I don't even know how many zero's are in that. Can anyone help me?

How do I work with such large numbers?

I want to divide 580 Terahertz by 2 enough times until it gets into the Hertz range.

Can a handheld calculator even handle such large numbers?

Also...Does anyone know how to find out the Terahertz values for a specific type of green?
(Like 'Sap Green' or 'Viridian'?)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Also...Does anyone know how to find out the Terahertz values for a specific type of green?
(Like 'Sap Green' or 'Viridian'?)

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum, here is a color spectrum of visible light, with the wavelength in nanometers (nm) indicated below the color:

Click the above image to see it full size.

The green colors have wavelengths of about 495–570 nm, which corresponds to frequencies of 526–606 terahertz (THz).

Recall that , which says velocity is equal to frequency times wavelength (I pronounce that equation as "vee equals eff lambda"). In this case, we're talking about light (electromagnetic waves), so the velocity is the speed of light, which is usually denoted as "c", and has the value of 299,792,458 meters per second in a vacuum, and slightly slower in air. Using "c" instead of "v" for light, this equation is written

So to to convert from wavelength (lambda ) to frequency (f), divide the speed of light c by the wavelength .

For example, the frequency of that nice 520 nm green light in the middle of the green section in the above image has a frequency of 299792458/520 billion cycles per second. 299792458/520 is equal to 576524 GHz, or about 576 THz (there are 1000 terahertz THz in a gigahertz GHz).

I couldn't find a color spectrum marked in terahertz instead of nanometers, so you will have to convert between the two, as I describe above. But here is a color spectrum that shows the various colors of the rainbow (optical light) in more detail (still marked in nanometers - nm.)

Ah - here's an online calculator that will do this for you. See the second calculator on this page, which converts Wavelength (nm) to Frequency (THz). If you enter 520 for the Wavelength in nanometers (nm), it will tell you that the frequency is 576.524 THz, which is the same as the 576.524 I calculated above.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's Paul!

That's very useful! The visible spectrum chart in particular.

I've just found an online conversion tool for Terahertz to Hertz.

It said 1THz is 1e+12Hz.

What does 1e+12 mean?

That 'e' appears on my calculator sometime, but I don't understand it.

How many zero's in a Trillion?
And how many times do I have to divide it by 2 until it goes into the Hertz range?

P.S. I'm rather embarrassed by the fact that when I search Google for answers on this subject, one of my posts comes up from this forum, and I was wrong.

I'm getting back on track now, I really don't want to misinform anyone.