Excuse me...? Inelia Benz fake?

[norman]

No likeness at all, in my opinion.

The only one of these kinds of presentations that got me really wondering seriously about who's really who, was one I saw of a bunch of German NAZIs.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by The Royal Wizard (here)
I'm simply asking a question

Just because a post is phrased as a question, rather than an assertion, does not relieve the poster of the burden of making worthwhile contributions.

Also, in my experience, DallasGoldBug is never worthwhile, always a distraction, as earlier threads on him on this forum demonstrate.

Notice that the title you gave this thread "Excuse me...? Inelia Benz fake?" is not simply a neutral question, but is phrased as a hook, pretty much guaranteed to cause a reaction in some readers. The preface "Excuse me" tells us that you are suggesting something that you are well aware might need excusing. The main question "Inelia Benz fake?" would be a rude accusation but for the trailing question mark.

I welcome your higher quality contributions in the future.

[Wind]

I'm sorry to say this, but this Dallasgoldburg guy seems to be mentally ill.

[greybeard]

I just dont get the point of the thread.
Its a nothing covered a long time ago.

For the record.
I had one positive conversation with Inelia when Charles (Atticus) was setting up an en mass healing session.
We were both very concerned with the possible negative effects on participants--- a valid concern as it transpired.
Anyway she came across as having a genuine compassion for the members of Avalon.

Chris

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by The Royal Wizard (here)
I'm simply asking a question

Just because a post is phrased as a question, rather than an assertion, does not relieve the poster of the burden of making worthwhile contributions.

Also, in my experience, DallasGoldBug is never worthwhile, always a distraction, as earlier threads on him on this forum demonstrate.

Notice that the title you gave this thread "Excuse me...? Inelia Benz fake?" is not simply a neutral question, but is phrased as a hook, pretty much guaranteed to cause a reaction in some readers. The preface "Excuse me" tells us that you are suggesting something that you are well aware might need excusing. The main question "Inelia Benz fake?" would be a rude accusation but for the trailing question mark.

I welcome your higher quality contributions in the future.

Keep in mind He may have intended it as more of an "How dare you call her a fake?!" type of title. The joys of language ... especially english.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I just dont get the point of the thread.
Its a nothing covered a long time ago.

For the record.
I had one positive conversation with Inelia when Charles (Atticus) was setting up an en mass healing session.
We were both very concerned with the possible negative effects on participants--- a valid concern as it transpired.
Anyway she came across as having a genuine compassion for the members of Avalon.

Chris

There was a purpose for this thread, and it has been served. Keep in mind the public read this forum and many may have seen that video and actually wondered ... plus there were a few informative posts with value and the main question has been answered.

[Jake]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by The Royal Wizard (here)
Excuse me, I'm not allegating any thing. I'm simply asking a question, wanting an Avalonian view on the topic. And, I'm polite, asking for foregivnes if the topic is treated in other posts. So, sorry again, I have certainly offended you, Fred Steeves.

All the best

TRW

TRW, welcom to Avalon!!! I have not yet watched the vid, I will put it on mee list... Thanks for the link.. You will find many folks here at Avalon will speak some 'toungue in cheek'.. I hope you do not think anyone is calling you out on this... You are awesome... Now,, see you after detention...

Jake.

Well, TRW, I stand corrected. Perhaps I will join you in detention. Welcome to Avalon, nonetheless. Jake...

[Kristin]

Always a good idea to look at posts that have already been posted on any given subject, and then add to the thread already started. Through reading the archived threads you get a great background on subjects like these. If you have new information to add, have at it!

From the Heart,
Kristin

[norman]

In an interview on Youtube, Charles/Atticus/Steve said that there are a quite a few of "him" active in the alternative community now.

I can quite well imagine that these photo "likenesses" videos are a good stirring rod of the alternative brown stuff.

[WhiteFeather]

Sorry But It didnt work for me. If I may........DallasGoldBug defined = SHILL.

[gooty64]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
Royal Wizard,

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YIwDogUsg8s

p.s. shout out to Curt

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N-NrPOMBKnw

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I have met Inelia twice and was very impressed by her. I believe that

1) She is completely sincere in that she believes what she is teaching

2) The core of the spiritual-reality model which she teaches is the same as my own and that of my Teacher. The core wisdoms are the same.

I believe that Inelia's heart and intention are in the best place. Whether I agree with or believe the details of her story or teachings is of small consequence. I do not believe her to be deceptive.

Edit: I watched the video and these other people that he asserts are Inelia... that's ridiculous.

[The Royal Wizard]

Hmm. Now I'm full of thoughts. Even the Moderator had to put up a "moral" finger.

I'd like to know what I have done differently than other forum members to earn such a critisism. This is obviously not the first time someone have doubleposted. Many other posts on this forum is, IMO, quite harsh, inpolite and often filled with moralism, no moderator pointing fingers as a result. Why? Beceause the writer-(s) are old members and well known? Is it easy to pic on me with assumptions (...not doing my homework, ...please post with higher quality)) beceause I'm a newbie? Do I see a typical cult-fenonema? I don't know the answers to these questions, but I wonder.

To make it clear. I was posting this because Ms. Benz is on the front page at Avalon, and, I assume, held in high regard. When I saw the video, with her, and others known to us, accused of beeing fake, I decided to post the question here. I admitt; I should have searched the arcive first, I only scrolled down a couple of pages to see if this was already handled in any way. It wasn't.

It is not possible for any one with full daytime work, or anyone actually, to be at the top of all issues at any given time. That's not the same as not doing one's homework or being "uneducated". Thats the whole point of a forum, isn't it, helping each other with information?

I have been a member here for a few months, not posting much, and the reason is that I wanted to get to know the forum, it's members, and the "tone of voice" so to speak due to the fact that newbie's are always newbie's, and someone always has as their mission in life to point that out, and correct the newbie.

I have stated earlier; english is not my native language. I try to write as correct as possible, but som words may be used in the wrong way, and some misspelled. sorry for that. I did not attemt to assume any thing in the headline, just an expression of me being a bit shaked over the postulate in the video, and an eager to quick get answers accordingly. But then I stamped on someones feet, obiously.

Unfortunatly, this thread is now about me, I didn't ask for that, but on the other hand, it is an oportunity to get to know me.

For the record: I'm a grown up man, well educted in social science, a psycic, teacher, astrologer and writer. I've studied "alternative" issues for over 25 years, and may in that regard have something to contribute.

So, the reaction-(s) to this post will help me decide weather I'm still a member tomorrow. Life's to short and all that........

[angelahedgehog]

I'm a newbie too, I really don't know where everything is. I don't really feel safe starting up a thread without reading through everything else first - and my time is limited - the amount I have seems to be reducing every day.

About PA I feel like there's been so much negativity in the past that everyone's defensive. But being pulled up by an admin like that, in that scathing and public way was just not cricket - imo - if that happened to me it may make me rethink my membership too. It'll certainly make me think about whether to be as neutral as possible and avoid giving definite opinions.
But having just read all about the 18 people and the sociopath Atticus - re impugning Inelia - it's understandable. There was a past campaign to smear Inelia's good name - because she's doing so much good, she's a target for nastiness - so the defensiveness is understandable. I'm inclined to say the footage is fake - and that says something in it's own right.

[araucaria]

Dear The Royal WIzard

Thank you and welcome to Avalon. Allow me to make one or two comments to help you settle in here.

Your English is OK, we are an international group and accustomed to members doing their best with a language that is not their mother tongue. Being a newbie means that all we know about you is the couple of posts you have made so far. We need to distinguish what you are saying from what someone who is trolling the forum might say. To avoid being accused of derailing threads, trolls often like to start their own on subjects likely to cause a hostile reaction. That is what you have done here, but we are happy to accept this as not being deliberate.

For example, when you write

I was posting this because Ms. Benz is on the front page at Avalon, and, I assume, held in high regard. When I saw the video, with her, and others known to us, accused of beeing fake,

you have to admit that taking issue with the front page headline is a rather confrontational way of introducing yourself. And it makes people wonder why you joined in the first place. (When I see a newspaper headline that I find objectionable, I buy a different paper.) Consider the opposite situation where you held say Kissinger in high regard and joined a forum that considers him to be one of the most evil people on the planet. What sort of reception would you expect if you started a thread suggesting Kissinger has great personal integrity and has our best interests at heart? (This is an extreme example: I guess Inelia has one or two more doubters here than Kissinger has fans )

I suggest that it is not a good idea for newcomers to start threads for a while, except maybe to provide personal input/testimony. Even old well-known members get a rough time when they forget the rules of decent behaviour, and not a few have been uninvited, unsubscribed or whatever. If you are as well-meaning as you sound, I am sure you will understand the position, and take the time to settle in and make a valuable contribution here.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by angelahedgehog (here)
About PA I feel like there's been so much negativity in the past that everyone's defensive. But being pulled up by an admin like that, in that scathing and public way was just not cricket - imo - if that happened to me it may make me rethink my membership too. It'll certainly make me think about whether to be as neutral as possible and avoid giving definite opinions.

Such a reaction from the forum moderators doesn't happen often here, and it wasn't due to giving a definite opinion. I for one, and the other moderators as well from what I can tell, like strong opinions, sometimes even including those that I disagree with .

This forum does a better job than most such forums in dealing with a variety of difficult subjects and providing a fertile environment for discussion and cooperation between a variety of people, most of whom have some quite definite opinions. We are blessed and honored to have the active participation of some rather amazing people.

The subjects we deal with are difficult in good part because the views, insights and experience of the forum's members frequently go against the grain of conventional or orthodox accepted views, or outside of "normal" experience.

Without a doubt, some of what is said here is threatening to some very powerful people and organizations, and without a doubt, the forum must endure various disruptions. Some of these disruptions are deliberate, from those would weaken and splinter such forums as ours, and some are unwitting, from good ordinary folks who are still more threatened by such unorthodox thinking than they might realize.

If you wanted to engage in an extended discussion with some other people in your community, with a viewpoint that most people in your community did not yet understand or tolerate, taking positions that some of the powerful in your community would want to actively suppress, then you might consciously choose whom to invite to your discussions, and you might consciously call out particular behaviors that you had learned were disruptive.

Well such is what is happening here, in a way, except that it's a community on the Web, instead of a community in your local geography.

There is no perfect answer for all participants. Healthy discussion works best when those participating trust each other, and when they can focus on the topics at hand, without looking over their shoulder at the "police" muzzling them. The moderation team works extra hard to be as clear as it is able to be as to what it is doing and why, so that most members can feel comfortable here, and engage freely in the topics that interest them.

This is however, by conscious choice, a moderated forum. We actively choose who is invited to be here, and we sometimes actively moderate discussions.

[Finefeather]

My wife used to always say I looked like Jimmy Hendricks...
Now if you look carefully you can see the resemblance...
If it was'nt for the hat you would swear it was me

[spiritwind]

Nah, his lips are bigger than yours. I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself. Delete if you need to, otherwise, just carry on.

[Fred Steeves]

I'm actually Paul McCartney, surprisingly no one has caught on yet.

[The Royal Wizard]

I like the posts so far.
And I can understand that my thread may have caused some upheaval, swearing in the church and all that, but let me say it one last time; that was not at all my intention. BTW where would we all have been if no one sweared in the churches?

And I'll say with Will Smith in Independence day; I like to make an entrance (all though I didn't know it was that obvious....)

all the best

TRW