Excuse me...? Inelia Benz fake?

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I don't mean to offend anyone who believe in Inelia, but I think she's a fake. I'm going by my own intuition....

Hi Maia. Inelia is a flawed being, just like the rest of us. Aside from having had the opportunity of spending a couple of hours one day talking to her and Bill when they were in this area early last year, and not sensing any malfeasance, there have been some things she had talked about during that time, which I have since personally experienced to indeed be the case. That's enough right there for me to know she is not a fake.

Has she/does she sometimes do things that don't serve her proud? Probably, but me too.

Cheers,
Fred

[gooty64]

I think WF and I were thinking that the guy from Wellaware whose video has been on Avalon at least 2 or 3 times this year was taking a shot at Inelia and Bill Ryan.
(Carefully stepping here) I thought the guy from Wellaware was knowingly making a video to dis-credit Inelia and by association Bill. Remember the video where the Wellaware guy made a lot of good plausible look-alikes and then later in the video he made the really silly attempt to link Inelia with some gal with big boobies that didn't even look that much alike in the face either?

Ok, over and out on this thread.

PS we are all ONE, Love and Light, Namaste

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Nickolai (here)
Dear Gooty64,

Please translate the shill for non-your language speakers.

What is the f**ing difference between sheeple and shill?

You may have a point here, Nickolai .

I take a shill to be someone who is knowingly helping someone else, without revealing to others (the intended victims) that he is doing so.

I do not see anyone playing the role of shill in this DallasGoldBug - Inelia flap.

Most certainly Inelia is not playing the role of shill here, secretly helping to discredit herself by placing herself in DallasGoldBug's video.

I don't see who Whitefeather takes to be playing the role of the shill here ... perhaps I'm missing something here.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by gooty64 (here)
I think WF and I were thinking that the guy from Wellaware whose video has been on Avalon at least 2 or 3 times this year was taking a shot at Inelia and Bill Ryan.
(Carefully stepping here) I thought the guy from Wellaware was knowingly making a video to dis-credit Inelia and by association Bill.

I suspect you're right.

It was just the use of the word "shill" which confused us ... we (or at least I) didn't see anyone serving exactly the role of "shill" in these events.

[music]

The best disinformation is clothed in truth, otherwise it is virtually useless as disinformation. Someone who appears to say all the right things may well be a sleeper awaiting activation, mission to draw those who have swallowed their words in their tail like a comet to whatever destination is deemed advantagous by the controllers. If one wishes to provide credibility to a sleeper, one clumsy, crass, and obviously erroneous attempt to discredit the sleeper will do more for their credibility than a thousand endorsements.

On the term "newbie". Hierarchical bull dust, yet still a part of an aware community. Our conditioning is hard to break, and we find it hard to resist the pull of cliques and implied elitism.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I don't mean to offend anyone who believe in Inelia, but I think she's a fake. I'm going by my own intuition....

She's a fake what?

I find myself more and more moving past the illusion of the gift wrap - and looking at the gift, is the actual gift valid? Does it resonate? Does it make sense? Is it genuinely helpful? Is it trying to manipulate me into doing something I don't want? Is it planting negative thought? Is it presenting information or trying to "make" me believe something? is the overall gift negative in nature? ... by this point the gift wrap is already in the garbage (not that I'm calling people "garbage" - I just have moved past judging them and then basing what they say on that judgement, but rather judge their contributions on their own merit. I suppose I could get pissed off if at the gift wrap for some reason and throw the gift away ... but that would make me the idiot.


My 2 cents

[Finefeather]

I must say that this thread has given me a few things to think about. I see many, who throughout this forum, reject, with great loud voices, the attempts to control us by the 'elite'...yet it is happening right here. I see people who have opinions and I see those who have made up their minds about who they believe...I see not one post, in this thread or any other about Enelia Benz, which gives any real critical comments about the amazing story she tells on the front page of projectavalon.net...for all to see and contemplate.

I started on this thread with a little light heartedness to try to break the rising tension which was evident to me. I do think and am quite convinced that the comparison which Dallasgoldbug gives is wrong. I am however long over emotional states and joined this forum for one reason only...to serve and to learn...I certainly did not join to play a buddy buddy roll with the 'old boys' of the club, let alone the owner. Our supposed friend and fellow member of Avalon...The Royal Wizard...has just been treated like some 'new boy' who has not learnt the rules yet...as if we...or should I say the 'old boys', because I have not been here all that long either, have got some kind of list where they tick of who's been proven 'good' and who's been proven 'bad'. I hear some say we should check out previous threads to see how we have 'ranked' people so we can get the feel of the forum personality...a most frustrating task, to say the least.

I look at all people as expressions of life, each is different and has something to give and something to learn. I listen to what a person says and form an opinion of that person by what he/she says...and the way the person acts...and the responses I get from my interaction with them. There is no other way to form an opinion about a person, or an object, other than with our 5 senses, and, if you are sensitive to emotion, you might 'feel' it as well. Now...the thing that modifies and plays the most important part of forming opinions is our very own knowledge AND experience...or lack of it. This is our own internal personal opinion forming mechanism. So it is clear to see why each person has their own opinions about everything that interacts with them. Some opinions we form end up right and some end up wrong. The true ability to form an opinion is thus based on the knowledge we have gained which we have transmuted into wisdom or experience. We only really know something is right or wrong if we have personally experienced it. This is why I do not believe anything unless I can see it or experience it personally...especially if it comes from the internet. I used to read, and listen to people talk about, things I had no idea about...I believed them...and many turned out wrong...so now, after years of experience, I listen intently and read carefully, and never believe...unless I can clearly prove it to myself or witness it with my own eyes. I know every person has truth inside them, but I also know it might be struggling to get out sometimes. I believe life because I know life is truth and it proves it to me every day.

Enelia Benz has placed herself in the international domain by making herself public on websites, forums and YouTube interviews and makes herself available to the public for a service which affects most people deeply. For those who are not able to have face to face interaction with her the only way we can form an opinion about her is by reading her articles, listening to what she has to say, and watching her on video. The most important thing when we are in this position, which she is in, is to give out true, realistic, and understandable information...because people are going to form opinions, because people are looking for answers.

I have read a few articles by her on her site and I have also watched the video interview which Bill did with her, which is on the front of Avalon. I have also watched a video of her at the Ranch (James Gilliland)

Now first...I would like to say that the articles she has produced are very good, and are a good start for any person who has just started out on the journey of remembrance...she has done her homework in most of her articles..BUT...they certainly are not unique to her, and nothing I have read cannot be found elsewhere. Now I do not have a problem in the world about this...I could not care less if she copied every esoteric book word for word and was able to easily pass it to those who seek it...the more people we can pass down truth to, the better. I also happen to know that there are many on the earth now who know these truths themselves without having ever read a single esoteric book or article in their lives. I care not about the source of the information as long as it is truth...for the truth belongs to no man.

What I do care about is the impression we are trying to give to others, about our source of information, and about our importance in the scheme of things. Where we need to look up to someone, in awe, to find the truth. There are enough false gurus running around the planet making fools out of the very people who are showering them with the materialism they love to have around them. Then you have all the emotional complexes...like the superiority complex some have, which is actually a cleverly disguised inferiority complex...where they see themselves as the source of all the answers we seek, they desire fame and fortune and attention, and they cleverly disguise arrogance with false humility. These people will fool you right in front of your own eyes, and you will thank them for it.

I am of the opinion that Enelia Benz has made up an amazing story of her life, that most people can not prove right or wrong. However, I can state without a shadow of a doubt that she has manufactured, and concocted up the story of her supposed 'source' incarnation, and, that what she says in the first 20 min of the video interview is mostly non sense. She has put together a story which is so profoundly untrue and impossible that most people can only just listen in awe...and this is her game plan...to make people believe that she is some amazing avatar come to save the world. By starting her interview the way she did...lead and prompted by an awe inspired Bill Ryan, she has proved to me that she is using this story to entice ignorant people to her for her own personal emotional reasons. Had she not made up this story I would be seeing her in a different light.
Do not forget that I know that all Beings are fulfilling some function here on earth, either for their own purposes or for those around them...I therefore do not see Enelia, or anyone, as some outside object but rather...I see ALL as beautiful Beings...part of our great plan and game, filled with light just waiting to be turned on, or off, as our needs arise.

I am not going to attempt to analyze her inaccuracies and imaginative story telling because it would take hours, because she makes a lot of statements which are just plain wrong and impossible...so I will just give 3, which popped up in the first stages of her introduction in the video on the front page of Avalon...never mind the rest of this 2 hour session. These are examples of the kinds of statements, which she and others make, which she ignorantly, yet genuinely, believes no one will be able to prove wrong and most will stand in awe of her superior status. There is a name for this...it is called Spiritual Glamour.
No great avatar or enlightened Being would ever make statements like she does because they are simply just incorrect...and what purpose would she have in her supposed mission, taking into account that she says she is a brand spanking new 'thing'...that any normally home grown fully wise and experienced enlightened Being could not fulfill?

I present this here with no fear of repercussion and only to bring to your notice some aspects of life which we might choose to avoid in our own lives...I have as much love for Enelia as I have for all of life.

She starts off and says...(and I am just going to paraphrase throughout)...that she comes direct from 'source'...she is not a soul or a spark of divinity like us and that we are separate from the ONE...but she is not. She has come direct from source without any evolution having taken place and has never ever existed before she came to earth. She says she has not gone through the millions of years of evolution, (which, by the way, everything that exists has been through - except her) which we have gone through to get to where we are now, and she does not have a soul, and is not a person like we are...and will go straight back to 'source' when she dies.
What she is trying to say, and let us know, is that she is not like us with all the baggage and hangups and lost memory and millions of years of 'evil' doing and that she is pure and free of ALL 'sin' and wrong thought and wrong intentions like all the very bad 'elite' out there who do all the 'evil' to us. Well, there are actually millions of these people around the world, she certainly is not the first with these qualities, if she does have them...and she won't be the last.
What she does not realize is that we are in fact ALL as much linked to source as she will ever be. We have never become separated from Spirit...we are Spirit...and Spirit is all ONE, and the individuality we experience is a part of the great illusion whereby source or the ONE life can experience all consciousness. The source she says she comes from directly is the exact same source everything comes from. Then she says she does not have a soul...well this is just pure ignorance i'm afraid...and coming from such an advanced Being as she says she is...everything that exists has a soul, from an atom to a galaxy...nothing that is manifest can exist without a soul...even the ONE has a soul...soul is the consciousness and quality of the life, and whilst soul can be altered or manipulated it can never be annihilated or separated from you as a Spiritual Being. Soul will exist until the end of the great cycle...which is billions of years to come. The very reason the ONE became manifest was to create soul, Spirit + Matter = Soul...Life + Form = Consciousness. She also fails to understand the mechanics of physical incarnation and the relationship of the body to the Spirit.

She says that she had to get permission from her baby human body half an hour before birth to allow her to incarnate...and that she was not incarnating with a soul like we all do and that she was so new at this 'incarnation game' that the body had to tell her to get inside it to move the arms and legs and head etc...because she was a brand new 'thing' and did'nt know how to do this...this is utter nonsense...physical incarnation does not work that way. To incarnate into a human baby requires etheric integration around 4 months before birth, and the incoming entity is attached and it is the consciousness which steps in or awakes when the baby takes it's first breath...and what is the consciousness we experience on earth but a stepped down version of the higher soul, which she says she does'nt have, which will grow with new experiences to become our personalities. I might want to know from her who she thinks was doing the 'telling' in the baby and how this brand new body miraculously had more knowledge than her and was able to tell this super high Spiritual Being how to operate it. It would be a bit like your car teaching you how to drive.

She says she kept falling on her face because she could not see through her body's head in front of her because she, as some spirit being?, was operating from outside her body at a position at the back of the head of her body...so she could not see what was in front of her because the body's head was in the way, and so kept bumping into things and falling over things...WOW!...this is really hilarious. Does she not know that when you are in the Spiritual realm you have a kind of omni directional vision and you can see through everything and around everything. It's a bit like a 3D movie, you can see inside and outside like looking through a glass. Oh yes she does say she had that at first but suddenly she lost that ability when she had to make up the story of her falling in the streets and blame it on the body's head which she now suddenly could not see through.

Believe it or not this is just a snippet of the first 15min of this video. It's a great source of entertainment.

Please do not think I will be one bit offended if you miss the Thank-you button...if we cannot think for ourselves who is it that is doing our thinking?

Love to all
Ray

[markpierre]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
She says she kept falling on her face because she could not see through her body's head in front of her because she, as some spirit being?, was operating from outside her body at a position at the back of the head of her body...so she could not see what was in front of her because the body's head was in the way, and so kept bumping into things and falling over things...WOW!...this is really hilarious. Does she not know that when you are in the Spiritual realm you have a kind of omni directional vision and you can see through everything and around everything. It's a bit like a 3D movie, you can see inside and outside like looking through a glass. Oh yes she does say she had that at first but suddenly she lost that ability when she had to make up the story of her falling in the streets and blame it on the body's head which she now suddenly could not see through.

Believe it or not this is just a snippet of the first 15min of this video. It's a great source of entertainment.

Please do not think I will be one bit offended if you miss the Thank-you button...if we cannot think for ourselves who is it that is doing our thinking?

Love to all
Ray

That's happened to me a lot. Tripping is common, though running into things isn't quite so. Operating my body from what feels like a distance behind it is normal. It's more unusual to be in my body,
which I get ongoing therapy for. Oh well, it keeps therapists employed. It's quite enjoyable. No wonder you think you're real.

Your description of perception in the 'spirit realm' is a blend of borrowed information and conjecture. You must read alot. You 'see' where you place your attention which is sometimes unfortunate for unwary astral tourists. Individuals not caught up in matter, viewing matter, see very little compared to what we think we see. Probably because we can't acknowledge that it isn't there, and our focus is on trivialities.
Neither are the 'rules' for incarnating as pedantic as you are. Nothing is impossible, apart from adequately describing things that are outside of language and comprehension. That of course is a problem originating in the listener.
Talk to someone who you know has never been a human. They're generally as baffled by trying to make you understand them, as you are at understanding them.
I don't remember hearing Inelia claim to be 'a great spiritual being' or an avatar. I operate on faith we're all doing consciously or unconsciously what we're compelled to, or what we've agreed to.
At least I'm sure that I am. It's reasonable to me that she is. How about you? Do you really know what you're doing? Do you really know that what you say is representing the truth?
C'mon. it's time to be ruthlessly 'real' now. Reality is approaching.

I'm not really particularly interested in what she has to say, or how she chooses to get her message out. But I've never heard anything alarming or 'impossible' from her.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by The Royal Wizard (here)
Please forgive me if this is old news and maybe posted somewhere else.

Here's a link to a video that shows how many news storys are fake. The same actors again and again.

Inelia Bens appear at 49:30

https://youtube.com/watch?v=45w9G...layer_embedded

all the best

TRW

Bill chewed me out once in one of my first posts when i also thought that was Inelia( yeah i fell for it in my enthousiasm for conspiracies, i grew up just a bit in the meantime), and he was right to do so, wether i believe Inelia is the real deal was and still is besides the point, that is just not Inelia, DB is a very paranoid freak and is wrong in many of his misidentifications.

[Nickolai]

Dear Ray,

Thank you so much for brilliantly summing up the Inelia phenomenon.
I remember when I started watching the interview my being response was quite negative and I stopped. Beside that I could not at all feel the love vibration she talk about a lot.

Thank you, Ray!

[Finefeather]

Hi markpierre

Posted by markpierre (here)
That's happened to me a lot. Tripping is common, though running into things isn't quite so. Operating my body from what feels like a distance behind it is normal. It's more unusual to be in my body,
which I get ongoing therapy for. Oh well, it keeps therapists employed. It's quite enjoyable. No wonder you think you're real.

People who are clumsy and drop things and are accident prone might also have this same experience of operating from out of the body. It is caused by a host of things, like, an unwilling or uncooperative life of a person who had a past trauma in this life or another, a physical brain defect, or a brain nerve defect. This disconnect is also often found in children as well and most grow out of it as they settle in the body. It can sometimes take years for the consciousness to fully integrate with the brain...and sometimes it just never does fully. Schizophrenia is one of the common names doctors have come up with to name this dis ease. My wife was Schizophrenic and we actually traced this down to a child molestation period in her life by her father. It can be a way of saying no more, I want out of here...or an actual physical defect...and don't forget even the emotional and mental bodies are physical.

Posted by markpierre (here)
Your description of perception in the 'spirit realm' is a blend of borrowed information and conjecture. You must read alot. You 'see' where you place your attention which is sometimes unfortunate for unwary astral tourists. Individuals not caught up in matter, viewing matter, see very little compared to what we think we see. Probably because we can't acknowledge that it isn't there, and our focus is on trivialities.

I actually hardly ever read, I prefer to listen and watch and contemplate and meditate. I agree that when out of body you CAN see where you focus. I was specifically using this omni directional awareness to show that she, as a supposed Being direct from the source, should have been perfectly aware of this. She specifically states that she is NOT like us 'ordinary' people.
I try not to borrow information and for me to prove something which is only achievable after some practice is impossible. I have now spent more than 40 years working in various degrees of out of body realms to do rescue work and other tasks. What people call the lower astral is actually just a 'layer' of an emotional state which has been built up from centuries of lower attitude states like emotion and fear and lust etc. and it is to be expected that all kinds of nasties would inhabit this area, as they do in any unclean environment. There are many people I know who actually find it extremely difficult and sometimes impossible to actually experience the astral...those who constantly experience the lower astral with it's limited potential are just still working at clearing emotional states. This focus in the astral is very different from the awareness we have in higher states. You do not specifically say what awareness state you are actually experiencing so I cannot comment further...one thing for sure is the 'spirit realm', as you call it, is a false impression of a state which actually does not exist. There are infinite levels of awareness states and every state, including the 'physical' is inhabited by 'Spirit' or Life...Life is Spirit in action.

Posted by markpierre (here)
Neither are the 'rules' for incarnating as pedantic as you are. Nothing is impossible, apart from adequately describing things that are outside of language and comprehension. That of course is a problem originating in the listener.
Talk to someone who you know has never been a human. They're generally as baffled by trying to make you understand them, as you are at understanding them.

There are 'rules' and then there are cosmic Laws...we can change the 'rules' anytime, especially when we are ready and progress, but we cannot change the natural Laws in life. Non incarnating Beings live by the Law and we live by rules...in time our 'rules' will match the cosmic Laws and then you will have no problem understanding them, and they will sigh in relief that we have finally woken up. These cosmic Laws are as pedantic as you can ever get...it is the fickle rules which make us think anything is possible.

Posted by markpierre (here)
I don't remember hearing Inelia claim to be 'a great spiritual being' or an avatar. I operate on faith we're all doing consciously or unconsciously what we're compelled to, or what we've agreed to.
At least I'm sure that I am. It's reasonable to me that she is. How about you? Do you really know what you're doing? Do you really know that what you say is representing the truth?
C'mon. it's time to be ruthlessly 'real' now. Reality is approaching.

Well of course she has not actually said she is "'a great spiritual being' or an avatar" but if I describe my incarnation here, as she has, then that is a definition of a great being or an avatar. Consider such Christ Conscious Beings as have incarnated on this planet.
We are definitely not "doing consciously or unconsciously what we're compelled to, or what we've agreed to." and that includes you. There is no such thing as been compelled to do something...and there is only agreement in as much as that you have chosen your part in your life. This state of faith, you speak of, is born out of a notion that we are controlled by someone, where in fact we are living within an existence which is governed by cosmic laws and these laws are what governs our actions, and if you want to call these laws the 'compeller' then you are right...but the nature of your attitude would be different if you see life through the eyes of natural laws as apposed to man made ones. The most important thing to realize is that we actually have a goal as a collective and when you have figured this out then your life will change.
If you care to read my post again you will notice I specifically stated this: "Do not forget that I know that all Beings are fulfilling some function here on earth," AND this: "I have as much love for Enelia as I have for all of life.". The strange thing about some humans is that when we are in an intellectual corner we tend to judge the other person rather than question our own integrity.

Posted by markpierre (here)
I'm not really particularly interested in what she has to say, or how she chooses to get her message out. But I've never heard anything alarming or 'impossible' from her.

Well I am pleased that you have found your own source of your truth...
and I wish you much love
Ray

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
...this is utter nonsense...physical incarnation does not work that way. To incarnate into a human baby requires etheric integration around 4 months before birth, and the incoming entity is attached and it is the consciousness which steps in or awakes when the baby takes it's first breath...and what is the consciousness we experience on earth but a stepped down version of the higher soul,
Ray

Hi Ray,

Without defending Inelia's story, what if I dissect your dogmatic rebuff?

You are espousing something similar to what Dr. Michael Newton says is the truth, mostly garnered from one patient out of about 7,000. This happens to resound as the truth to me, so I don't fight against my intuition - I actually sense this is true... but you are using an unprovable notion as fact, to counter Inelia's story. Shouldn't you be stating your opinions as opinions? Even Dr. Newton, after studying these revelations through thousands of hypnotized patients over the course of decades, remains humble in offering his opinions as to the ethereal 'nuts and bolts and processes' of the spiritual realm.

My uneducated guess is that we enter this dense "3D" realm with multiple layers of amnesia and multiple layers of 'suspension of disbelief' so that we can experience life linearly and learn lessons. Some of us have many, many layers, and very thick ones at that. (I'm describing myself.) Some may have quite a bit less layers - so few, in fact, that so much true reality is experienced that it overshadows/hides/obfuscates/clouds the perception of whatever layers remain. So, in Inelia's case, she may well be stating what she sees as the truth, but is still under the influence of enough of the more subtle 3D apparatus that she may be incorrect about some of what she sees as the truth.

There is a huge difference between a "spiritually advanced" being with integrity but with some 3D, not-so-vestigial-after-all confusion and someone who is a calculating, deliberately lying, self-serving, bliss-oil salesman. My opinion approaches the former; yours may approach the latter - but it is important to state (and re-state, if necessary for clarity), that you are not able to offer provable knowledge to elevate your opinion from "opinion" to "fact."

Dennis

[RunningDeer]

First, thank you Ray, Dennis, Mark and All, for your honest exchanges.

I’ve had similar gut & heart responses on points. My thoughts about any information is to use what works and leave the rest. No one person or program has all The Answers. It’s all a collection of data. Some data serves to cancel out data that I once believed was the way to ‘Truth’ (whatever that is).

I keep coming back to a simple place. Until I figure out what it is or is not, I’ll live a full-on experience of: Love, sharing, joy, patience, cry, peace, silence, laugh, community, and fly kites. Those fill me. I just need to remind myself to get out of my own way. That’s when the whispers tap dance.

Peace,
Paula

[Finefeather]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
...this is utter nonsense...physical incarnation does not work that way. To incarnate into a human baby requires etheric integration around 4 months before birth, and the incoming entity is attached and it is the consciousness which steps in or awakes when the baby takes it's first breath...and what is the consciousness we experience on earth but a stepped down version of the higher soul,
Ray

Hi Ray,

Without defending Inelia's story, what if I dissect your dogmatic rebuff?

You are espousing something similar to what Dr. Michael Newton says is the truth, mostly garnered from one patient out of about 7,000. This happens to resound as the truth to me, so I don't fight against my intuition - I actually sense this is true... but you are using an unprovable notion as fact, to counter Inelia's story. Shouldn't you be stating your opinions as opinions? Even Dr. Newton, after studying these revelations through thousands of hypnotized patients over the course of decades, remains humble in offering his opinions as to the ethereal 'nuts and bolts and processes' of the spiritual realm.

My uneducated guess is that we enter this dense "3D" realm with multiple layers of amnesia and multiple layers of 'suspension of disbelief' so that we can experience life linearly and learn lessons. Some of us have many, many layers, and very thick ones at that. (I'm describing myself.) Some may have quite a bit less layers - so few, in fact, that so much true reality is experienced that it overshadows/hides/obfuscates/clouds the perception of whatever layers remain. So, in Inelia's case, she may well be stating what she sees as the truth, but is still under the influence of enough of the more subtle 3D apparatus that she may be incorrect about some of what she sees as the truth.

There is a huge difference between a "spiritually advanced" being with integrity but with some 3D, not-so-vestigial-after-all confusion and someone who is a calculating, deliberately lying, self-serving, bliss-oil salesman. My opinion approaches the former; yours may approach the latter - but it is important to state (and re-state, if necessary for clarity), that you are not able to offer provable knowledge to elevate your opinion from "opinion" to "fact."

Dennis

Hi Dennis
If you would like me to state that what I said was an opinion only, then so be it...and my apology goes out to you and everyone who I have mislead into thinking that this was all facts I wrote. How arrogant of me not to state that this was my opinion only.

I am not aware of Dr, Michael Newton and his claims...thank you for that.

I would never consider anyone or anything as 'evil'...in my understanding, 'evil' does not exist...'evil' has degrees of severity which tells me it is all in the mind.

I am not consciously espousing or adopting any dogmatic principle for the sake of argument or solely to put Enelia down...This is the last thing that ever gets a chance to manifest in my mind, if it in fact would get a chance. I stated in my post that: "Do not forget that I know that all Beings are fulfilling some function here on earth, either for their own purposes or for those around them...I therefore do not see Enelia, or anyone, as some outside object but rather...I see ALL as beautiful Beings...part of our great plan and game, filled with light just waiting to be turned on, or off, as our needs arise."
I also stated that: "I know every person has truth inside them, but I also know it might be struggling to get out sometimes"
My mission is to see truth out in the open, because we are so drowned by information, especially on the internet, about so called spiritual truths and a lot of it is just not correct according to my understanding and experience and remembrance. I am very aware of the fact that truth comes in many packages and in strange ways...but, I am also aware of much deception and ulterior motive by material forces. I am also aware that we are approaching a cosmic graduation event...and no it is not ascension as some might think...but there are similarities...and so preparation is of utmost importance.
Now...having said that the question is...who do I think I am to write statements which are clearly not proven by science...and who am I to state with such assertion and perceived arrogance, that some things are right and some things are wrong? Well I have given my answer in my post when I said: "We only really know something is right or wrong if we have personally experienced it. This is why I do not believe anything unless I can see it or experience it personally".

I really have no desire or inclination to put my story out, because I am not what counts in life...I have simply come in a group of many other Beings to assist wherever we can, some of us have chosen to go public while others have chosen to work in the ghettos and away from public eyes. We are no different from any one here on this planet and we bleed and love as all should. We are a little further along the path than most but that does not make us better or more anything. We are constantly in touch with the information we are lead to give out and we also...as all others do...attend the halls of wisdom and learning during our body sleep state. The difference is I am able to bring it back in full memory. I choose to give out information it is up to those who receive it to prove it to themselves...the deal does not come with a built in auto wisdom finder We play the same game. You and anyone has the right to accept or reject whatever we or I say...there is no transgression or consequence.

The factors which influence our 'amnesia' is actually a thing called the 'ring pass not'. This is a state in which whatever is inside stays inside until slowly the 'ring pass not' expands in accordance with our enlightened state. Enlightenment comes from inside, through the singularity, raising the vibrational state of the 'body' (more consciousness from higher knowledge). As the 'ring pass not' expands we reach higher levels of 'spirituality'. It is exactly the same as radium...radium is actually just an enlightened chemical element...as above so below.
The force that causes enlightenment is kundalini, the rate at which it moves is decided by chakra balance, which is decided by attitude, which is decided by knowledge, which all turns into unconditional love/wisdom, which is an expansion of consciousness, which means a greater 'ring pass not'. which means a wiser soul.

I am not debating Enelia as a person, I am questioning her intention by giving such a magnified picture of herself. If she was aware of it or not she made statements which are IMO quite incorrect...and here is the crux of the story.
If she was who she claims, and do not get confused about this, an entity or Being DIRECTLY from source this would in effect make her the highest ever avatar or enlightened Being to appear on this planet...she would by birth literally know everything...so there would be NO 3D clouds hanging over her head. Of course we know from occult (the good kind) sciences that such a Being would find it extremely impossible to incarnate into a mortal body because the energies would destroy the body...and that is why we have as you called it multilayers of consciousness in order to step down the light to allow safe incarnation.

Love to you
Ray

[Chester]

Great posts... We can see how easy it is for "the ego" to manifest as well as to take issue... I saw the last several exchanges as examples of healthy egos as opposed to egos that descend into disharmonious exchange. Love wins another bet! Yes!

To Ray... I was wondering of late what might be the actual foundation of my recent, completely transformed attitude. The reason I asked this question to myself was because my attitude has been consistently super positive and this has never been the case in my previous 55 years.

Now I get it... I did the work to obtain the required knowledge. I currently see this as a privilege provided to me from something greater than myself. I hope I can consistently honor this privilege. I make the odds high that I will.

And now we have "game on" more than ever (said through the eyes of my "never satisfied" ego) which, fortunately, if the formula is right I have no need to be concerned as I actually have acquired the required minimal knowledge such that my attitude will remain positive and I will be able to consistently manifest my intention to remain in positive/right relationship with all, everyone and everything and perhaps be of true service to others - my only goal.

Love these types of threads... they feel like anchoring opportunities. Enjoy the Day, Chester

[Sidney]

Its obvious that is not Inelia. Anyone with 2 eyes, even 1 eye can see that. The real question is the motive of even starting a thread like this. This is not about Inelia, IMHO- Its about the OP

[DeDukshyn]

A lot of really unimportant unprovable things matter way too much to some people ... Beliefs ... I think I've talked about those before ...

We all love the prisons of belief don't we? Such a cruel addiction that we try to wear proudly ...

My 2 cents

Believe nothing, consider everything ...

[markpierre]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
People who are clumsy and drop things and are accident prone might also have this same experience of operating from out of the body. It is caused by a host of things, like, an unwilling or uncooperative life of a person who had a past trauma in this life or another, a physical brain defect, or a brain nerve defect. This disconnect is also often found in children as well and most grow out of it as they settle in the body. It can sometimes take years for the consciousness to fully integrate with the brain...and sometimes it just never does fully. Schizophrenia is one of the common names doctors have come up with to name this dis ease. My wife was Schizophrenic and we actually traced this down to a child molestation period in her life by her father. It can be a way of saying no more, I want out of here...or an actual physical defect...and don't forget even the emotional and mental bodies are physical.

Ray

My body isn't awkward when I'm fully in it. Then it's like ballet. When it's being operated by remote control, it's awkward. I've had that conversation with a lot of better informed individuals than you,
from in bod and from out.
Use your powers of consideration and consider it. It's hard to insult me, but it's easy to be patronizing. That accomplishes nothing.

Anyone who isn't familiar with Inelia's work who's viewpoint is coloured by others subjective observations, I hope can be helped to let the colour return to objective.
It's material that either encourages them or it doesn't. This is the time to be encouraging. If it doesn't work for you, "I don't know" is the honest viewpoint. If it doesn't 'ring', ignore it.
If it isn't encouraging you, ignore it. If you aren't encouraging others, ignore yourself. 'Truth' is the still and pristine spaces between the thoughts about it.

Your authority on 'cosmic law' is subjective as well. It's the law of mind, which is essentially 'you get what you ask for'.
What people don't understand is that mind without exception does only, and always, and exactly what it believes is in it's own best interest.
That's how what we discern as 'evil' is allowed to do what it does. That's how matter is held in form, that's how mind becomes trapped in time. And it's also how it escapes.
'What do I want?' is the question everyone should be asking right now.
The ultimate mechanics of it it all is for us to discover in our merger with our whole Selves, not to know with human authority, and not to 'understand' by mimicking nonhuman authority.
Opinions are psychic pollution. My 'opinion' is no more useful to me or to anyone than yours is. We've got to be very careful in discerning who from within our own minds is communicating
and what the purpose is.
You should be able to agree with that.

kind regards

[markpierre]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Great posts... We can see how easy it is for "the ego" to manifest as well as to take issue... I saw the last several exchanges as examples of healthy egos as opposed to egos that descend into disharmonious exchange. Love wins another bet! Yes!

To Ray... I was wondering of late what might be the actual foundation of my recent, completely transformed attitude. The reason I asked this question to myself was because my attitude has been consistently super positive and this has never been the case in my previous 55 years.

Now I get it... I did the work to obtain the required knowledge. I currently see this as a privilege provided to me from something greater than myself. I hope I can consistently honor this privilege. I make the odds high that I will.

And now we have "game on" more than ever (said through the eyes of my "never satisfied" ego) which, fortunately, if the formula is right I have no need to be concerned as I actually have acquired the required minimal knowledge such that my attitude will remain positive and I will be able to consistently manifest my intention to remain in positive/right relationship with all, everyone and everything and perhaps be of true service to others - my only goal.

Love these types of threads... they feel like anchoring opportunities. Enjoy the Day, Chester

Hey Chester, I just thought of a way to explain what I do for myself, because I think that's what you're doing.
You just put your finger on your nose and take absolutely full responsibility for absolutely everything that happens absolutely everywhere to absolutely everyone..
And then you forgive yourself for it all because somehow through trials and errors and a lot of headbanging you've learned to know your own heart.
And then you fall in love with yourself.
And you become your own best friend, and your assessment of things becomes the only one you'll trust
because it was 'the friend' who wrote the script for you and only you, and showed you what your part was.

Well, most of that is 'what is', and a little that we aspire to. But only because we like to chase the ball because it's fun. When it's caught, the game is over.

[gooty64]

You just put your finger on your nose and take absolutely full responsibility for absolutely everything that happens absolutely everywhere to absolutely everyone..
And then you forgive yourself for it all because somehow through trials and errors and a lot of headbanging you've learned to know your own heart.
And then you fall in love with yourself.
And you become your own best friend,

working on it

[The Royal Wizard]

Ego: Indoctrinated (as in upbringing, education and so forth) minds perception of feelings, also called emotions, originating from the reptilian brain, as probably all of you avalonians know. Fear, anger, preservation of ones thought-to-be rights.
Self: Mind is serving the heart/intuition, one do not jump to conclusions, thinking before acting, trying as best as one can to stay balanced, the same rule for everybody including one self, even if it bites.

The battle between these two are humans biggest struggle. The last few days I have had mine in that regard. Ego was upset with all the characteristics; dumb, not grown up, contribution of low quality, not learned how people work, contribution being a waste of peoples time. In short, players taking the man, not the ball.

Ego didn't won, of course. That said, I'm still a bit confused how an advanced forum like Avalon can get to this point of «naming» a new guy on the block. But of course, I didn't know of Bills an Inelias close contact. It's always hard to take when someone question a person held in high regard.

And Bill, I found the video on David Ickes website, another person I hold in high regard. I didn't read the comments on youtube due to the fact that I never saw it there. The makers of the video I know nothing about. There are a lot of morons out there making videos, statements and name whistle blowers, I simply doesn't have the time checking them all out. That's why I have a few sites i visit regularly, Avalon, David Icke and Project camelot are some of them, due to the fact that mostly all of the information are checked, if there's at all is possible to check it all for credibility. Some traps will always fill it's mission.

In my world there is absolutely possible that governments hire actors to play their parts in fearmongering, problem, reaction solution. When normal humans wont do the ****, find someone to pay. That was my reaction to what I saw in the video, in that regard I do not care who made it. The maker may be mentally ill, as you said Bill, but many people will call us at Avalon crazy, David Icke and his reptilian theories, must be mentally ill to bring such postulates to market?....In my view, nothing is impossible. I have to be open for anything, at any given time. So I wondered what this video was all about, I found it at an credible website, and posted it here, because I'm open to the postulates given there, but not stupid enough to not listen to what others have to say. In that regard, mission accomplished.

Just to be clear, I won't take any more “****”. But due to the fact that many here at Avalon have huge thoughts, theories and facts really worth listening to, I want to stay, and hope that's ok with you all. And Bill, I've always held your work in high regard, you are a brave man and have contributed much for human freedom. I hope we can put all this behind us, there are important issues to discuss and work to be done in this unstable times.

All the best.

TRW