What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Ilie Pandia]

Today I've watched the interview of Gordon Novel.

I did not know he was working hard to bring about Free Energy to the people.

It was surprising though to see that he still considered that money will continue to be used after the FE revolution, but humans would simply be 100 times wealthier than today.

I can understand why he was saying that, and having been so deeply into the intelligence community perhaps it was difficult for him to see a world where money had absolutely no relevance what so ever.

[mosquito]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
I can understand why he was saying that, and having been so deeply into the intelligence community perhaps it was difficult for him to see a world where money had absolutely no relevance what so ever.

Ironic isn't it - intelligence makes it difficult for him to see !!! With that statement Ilie you've encapsulated the state of our modern world.


I hang my head in shame that I've only just come to this thread (I think in it's early days it was just about technology wasn't it ?), I have some catching up to do.

Personally - The scarcity programming is so deep that, even though I can embrace abundance on many levels, there has always been the underlying unconscious (mis-) understanding that there isn't enough for everyone. That's going to take some shifting, but it's started.

Posesiveness. AWP among others has written about how the need to hold onto one's possessions will become a thing of the past with FE. One of the things I will be very glad to see the back of is intellectual possesiveness - "I have a science degree, therefore I know. You do not have a science degree, so you can't possibly know"; "I studied theology and I wear a long frock, God talks to me. You haven't studied theology and you don't wear a long frock, so God doesn't talk to you".

Maybe intellectual possesiveness isn't the right term, but I think you can see what I mean.

With FE, "science", in the sense of a body of people who arrogantly safeguard their own theories at all costs, will be replaced by an understanding that all knowledge belongs to everyone. We will have a new epistomology which recognizes that knowledge can be acquired in many ways, and that no single way is superior to any other.

Religion will be replaced with an understanding of our true relationship to the universe and to everything which is. There will be no more question "where do I come from, and why ?". We will know.

[Wade Frazier]

Bye for now, AWP. Nice collage.

Hi Ilie:

Boy, Novel had an interesting life, and our paths crossed a few times:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#wean

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#cia

If he was legit, anybody like him will not be able to provide documentary trails, etc., which makes it hard to separate the wheat from the chaff in those fields. Yes, anybody who has played the cloak-and-dagger game has been twisted. Imagining a world without money is hard enough for average people, so it is much harder for somebody who has been on covert action teams.

Hi Mariposafe:

I have stated it before; I consider this the best thread on the Internet, and yes, economic scarcity manifests in many ways, and the idea of “this is my idea” is part of that. The patent office is a monument to scarcity, as people try to get monopoly protection for their ideas. That is why any FE inventor commits effective suicide when applying for a patent, in several ways. One is that patenting in of itself reflects self-serving motivation, and FE cannot be achieved by the self-serving, not in today’s world. But there are also practical aspects of that, which is that the feds classify anything FE-oriented on Godzilla’s behalf, sometimes consciously on his behalf, and other times to protect various turfs. Also, anybody who applies for a patent for FE technology is easily removed from the scene, in various ways, not just classifying their technology.

Best,

Wade

[4evrneo]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hey Oliver,

And with that, "accounting" will become an obsolete concept.

I am in Accounting and am giddy with excitement for this to happen. The ideas I have for what I will do next are enormous ! It will probably be something along the lines of natural healing or sustainability and permaculture. Exciting times ahead !

A

[4evrneo]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
I get a mission accomplished feeling and, believe me, I don’t get them often. Ilie gets it like few others that I have yet met, and his posts are the gold standard of what I am looking for.

Best,

Wade

This is by far one of my favorite posts, and I couldnt agree more Wade.
I love this feeling of it being accomplished already, I will hold it in my vision and heart each day : )

A

[Ilie Pandia]

Lately I've been seeing threads on Avalon about building homes from recycled materials, or build them underground and so on. Also tactics to fight foreclosure and to "balance the budget".

While I applaud the initiative, and those activists go to show that we can do better or different, it's too little too late...

With Free Energy, recycling would take a whole different meaning, in the sense that we may not even call it like that any more. Simply a material we don't need would be reverted back into base elements and then used to fabricate a new material that we do need. Because of this the Free Energy homes would look like nothing we have now, and they will surely not be build from aluminum cans or tires or broken bottles, but rather from hi tech materials that have all kinds of useful properties and they do not degrade in time to harm us or the environment. The current recycling is just finding new ways to split up the small pie, living with less and less, while not addressing the root problem: scarcity conditioning and the ignorance of a radically new solution that is Free Energy.

Fighting to balance the budget, as serious a problem as it is, it almost makes you laugh in the context of Free Energy. The budget and money are not the real thing and they become completely useless in an abundance based paradigm.

We have a lot of good people on this planet. In fact, I'd dare say that most of use are good people. The trouble is that we are stuck thinking very very very small, withing the box that Godzilla has put us into... I understand very much the need to do something now!! But hacking at the branches and not getting at the core of the issue will not help...

[Melinda]

Good points Ilie. All the alternative energy solutions in the public domain pale in comparison to free energy, and the questions you pose here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post570054 make the point very well about the negative environmental impacts of the manufacture, transport and maintenance of non-FE alternatives. I think it was in one of the Camelot interviews that I heard or read about a functioning technology that existed (probably in some bunker somewhere) which could create materials that were designed at the atomic level. I may be articulating that poorly; but in layman's terms, I understood it to mean using energy to create elements from scratch, as if from the ether. Even if the information was inaccurate, given the multitude of creative minds within the scientific community, I don’t think it would take long for a technology of that nature to be designed and functional once FE was readily available.

That said, to pick up on your sympathy with people’s motivation in pursuing the more readily available alternatives, I can see that even aside from the financial and independence-related reasons for pursuing these other routes, the environmental and spiritual ones are also still significant. For some people the feeling of being tied into the grid and supporting a corrupt infrastructure is just too painful, so they feel like the sooner they can be doing less damage to the earth and its inhabitants through the way they live, the better. Even with the wonderful work that Wade is building and configuring towards an abundance choir, I think for many FE supporters, to be able to live an environmentally ‘cleaner’ life puts them in a stronger state emotionally and spiritually to help support the collaborative FE meditation with a clearer head and a less-burdened heart.

I feel so frustrated by the way wind, solar, tidal powers etc are offered up by the mainstream media as the main alternatives to fossil fuels, aside from nuclear. I signed another campaign letter this week regarding the ridiculous nonsense that is ‘biofuels.’ I find it offensive that they are still being advocated at a time when FE has been available as long as it has. Sometimes I get despondent about signing petitions and writing letters, but I forge ahead with the belief that if just one person comes across it and starts to question the breadth of their current knowledge, then it’s worth it. Every signature is a step in the right direction.

None of these alternatives can bring an end to poverty and restore the natural environment as quickly and sustainably as FE. Those are the things that continually stay with me the most as I walk around in my day to day life. Where I see homelessness, decrepitude and pollution – on the streets, in the dumps, and mostly in the places I don’t have to go, I witness it and know that with FE it can all be rectified. For all of us. There is no comparison. I want to see everyone given a higher quality of life, health and education, and the tools to clean up the earth and keep her clean. I don’t see how we can do that with solar-panels.

I’m continuously grateful for all the people here who are imagining what wonderful things can be achieved with a loving and responsible FE world. But I can’t deny that I have my frustrated days. Today being one of them. Once you start thinking FE thoughts they permeate everything. I see people squabbling over money on the street and I immediately picture an FE world where they have enough of what they need, and a secure home. I meet a cab driver who wishes he could spend more time with his kids, and I immediately picture an FE world where he doesn’t have to work long days and nights in order to provide for his family. I see someone looking drained and dejected behind a cash register in a supermarket and I immediately picture an FE world where they can spend more time learning about the art or the science they were curious about at school, but felt they couldn’t make a decent enough grade in for it to be of use to them in the ‘job market.’ So much potential in so many people, crushed, and so much of the crushing perpetuated by the illusion that there isn’t enough to go round. Nobody comes into this world with a desire to be pitted against their fellow man. It’s a learned behaviour, and it can be unlearned. And whilst it starts in the heart, and always will, we are deeply affected by our environments; and no technological breakthrough makes turning this mess around so achievable, so quickly and on such a vast scale as FE.

It does not sit well with me to think that it’s too late, and that mother earth (or some unsavoury crew) will wipe out vast numbers of us leaving an enlightened few to live well. Often the people who sleep well with a depopulation philosophy conveniently don’t want it to be them that has to go. In this interview with Bill Moyers http://youtu.be/QmVD7XcRb6Y (at around 4mins20) author Margaret Atwood discusses the religious indoctrination associated with those kinds of beliefs, pointing out that “in the rapture it never happens to be you that doesn’t get raptured,” and describing how it opens “the door to some of the worst impulses in human nature.” Why shouldn’t someone who was born into harsh, limiting circumstances and had the odds stacked against them from the start, have the opportunity to see how different things could be for them or for their children? The idea that people are invited to consider by various contemporary icons and academics, of which countries’ populations should be the first to start sterilising and diminishing themselves, is a horror. We don’t have to make that choice. With a responsible FE world that kind of debate will become obsolete. And we can have a world in which love, decency, support and generosity are more widely considered as the biggest subjects facing humanity.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Thanks for the posts, AWP and Ilie. The problem with the so-called alternatives to fossil fuels is that they take a lot of time, effort, and money to pursue, and when people do that, they tend to get dug in, and there their horizons end – only so many hours in a day. Traditional alternatives are barely alternatives at all. That stuff has its place, but not in the choir-building exercise that I have in mind. Yes, it is very difficult to know how it can be and live in the world that we have today. As I have stated, nothing about the FE pursuit is easy, and the emotional toll that it takes can be awesome. I have had many dark years during my pursuit, and the happiest year of my life was 1986, when I met Dennis I was full of optimism and enthusiasm. And then I was introduced to reality, and that was after working in an urban hell for years:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post406928

I sympathize with anybody who has some awareness of FE, which is why I say that trying to wake people up to it can be hazardous to you and those whom you are trying to awaken. It is a very perilous undertaking, although to many it can seem innocuous, like going to pet the killer bunny. If people get a glimmer of the potential of FE, they easily realize that FE means the end of the world as they know it. The world we know is a pretty abominable place, so ending it sure would not be a big loss to the universe, and replacing it with something that looks a lot like heaven on Earth seems like a worthwhile task, but almost nobody on the planet is currently fit for it or even interested, preferring the devil they know. I am looking for needles in haystacks in far more than one way.

As Ilie mentions, making houses out of old tires and the like is something out of Mad Max, and at best is putting a Band-Aid on a life-threatening chest wound.

Time for bed.

Best,

Wade

[GloriousPoetry]

No oil spills in our oceans.....sea life would love this!

[Melinda]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
...I sympathize with anybody who has some awareness of FE, which is why I say that trying to wake people up to it can be hazardous to you and those whom you are trying to awaken. It is a very perilous undertaking...

I hear you Sir. As it is I’m far too hermit-like (not to mention scientifically illiterate) to be blazing an FE trail of any kind in the physical realm. Whilst it’s tempting to mention FE in a letter to a political body about the flaws of biofuels, I do understand that it isn’t necessarily prudent or the most effective way to bring about a free-energy awakening. I try to limit the public channelling of my FE frustration to fishing recyclable rubbish out of street bins and swiftly placing it in the correct bins as I pass. Not the most lady-like behaviour, but every little helps. I have no intention of going hunting for the killer bunny. On that one, in the words of Monty Python... “Solidarity brother.”

I look forward to the day when FE makes recycling bins obsolete. Although sadly there are some wealthier parts of London I’ve passed through that seem to think they’re obsolete already since they don’t appear to have any, which doesn’t exactly set a good example to the children who frequent the nearby museums which exist to preserve things of value. I think I’ll have to have a word. No killer bunnies there. At least I hope not.

I’m still in a bit of an FE glump today. I think I might read through this thread again to cheer myself up.

[Ilie Pandia]

Following Wade's "trail of books" I've just finished reading "The Aqurian Gospel of Jesus, the Christ".

That entire text can be seen a metaphor for the quest to free energy but I will focus only on one of the points.

The priesthood of the times and the students of the "law" they all knew the prophecies and the texts and waited for the Messiah to come. They've basically prepared for that event their entire life... that was their job (or at least the job description).

So The Messiah did come, and he started talking non-sense like: "God is within", "You can become one with God", "You don't need the priesthood", "You are hypocrites, for you say you wait for me, and now that I am here you pretend that I am not" and so on so forth.

Well.. we can't have that! Nope!

I mean... I want Free Energy just as much as the next guy, but not as long as that implies any changes!! Especially loosing my place of power (big or small) that I've worked so hard to get! And what's all that talk about "all men being equal"!? We can't have that either! Sure I'd like to be equal to my "superiors" but I won't have it, if that means I need to be equal to those "below" me. Better to go back pretending this Messiah is mathematically impossible... I'd sure won't risk making my life's work obsolete...

[mosquito]

Posted by Melinda (here)
Good points Ilie.....

What a lovely, clearly expressed post Melinda !

I've been wanting to add some of my visions to this thread for a few weeks, but have been having problems organizing my disparate thoughts. You've given me a perfect opening to write about one aspect Ilie, and that's the use of new vs old materials:

I agree that with FE we will open the doors to all manner of presently unimaginable materials; for building, for fabrics, etc. But I think we should remain open to using our current resources, only a little better than we do now ! For example, we are surely still going to need to use water, we will just be in a world where we manage it properly and don't waste so much. The same applies to other materials, and one I'm particularly fond of is bamboo. This is a plant which grows prolifically and can grow at a rate of 4 inches per day. It's incredibly versatile and is used thoroughout SE Asia for all manner of things, as diverse as clothing, ladders and even scaffolding. It's an ideal material for building simple dwellings, but obviously is unsuited to colder climates. From a personal point of view, living outside of a tropical climate just isn't on, and I'd love to have a bamboo home.

The same applies to the other plant based artifacts. Yes, new technology will give us wonderful new materials, but do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water ?

For me, heaven on Earth is NOT some techno science fiction scenario, it's precisely what it says it is - heaven on Earth, with all of us living in harmony, using and wisely managing the beautiful things we've been blessed with. Of course we will have technology, but it will be put to wise and effective use, it won't merely be an excuse to create more and more disposable (and actually quite bloody useless) gadgets, saving us "time" (so we can do what exactly ? Watch more TV ? Spend longer at the office ?).

Which leads me nicely into the next topic and, ironically, duty calls so I haven't got time to add much more but I'll leave you with a question for now. Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As is evident, Ilie does his homework. This is far from the only book on the “Wade’s Reading List” that he has burrowed through. I picked up The Aquarian Gospel a few years ago, after many years of not having read any of it, and it held up well, if the style is a bit dated, as it was written long ago. The Jesus of The Aquarian Gospel was a mystical master second to none. I have known some people with Christ-like aspects, and one thing that they had in common was their sense of humor. I think that the historical Jesus was pretty funny, but that does not really make it into the New Testament or The Aquarian Gospel. Jesus and Buddha were the only two major religious figures where those around them wondered what they were. The manifestation of the Infinite Spirit must be something to behold, and if the Michael channels are right and we experience several instances of it manifesting in the coming years, I think that being around one of those, just to witness it, might be on my bucket list. There are plenty of Eastern dudes playing the master game, and some may well be, but I really have not heard of somebody who came across like Jesus did. He was one cool cat.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Posted by mariposafe (here)

Posted by Melinda (here)
Good points Ilie.....

What a lovely, clearly expressed post Melinda !

I've been wanting to add some of my visions to this thread for a few weeks, but have been having problems organizing my disparate thoughts. You've given me a perfect opening to write about one aspect Ilie, and that's the use of new vs old materials:

I agree that with FE we will open the doors to all manner of presently unimaginable materials; for building, for fabrics, etc. But I think we should remain open to using our current resources, only a little better than we do now ! For example, we are surely still going to need to use water, we will just be in a world where we manage it properly and don't waste so much. The same applies to other materials, and one I'm particularly fond of is bamboo. This is a plant which grows prolifically and can grow at a rate of 4 inches per day. It's incredibly versatile and is used thoroughout SE Asia for all manner of things, as diverse as clothing, ladders and even scaffolding. It's an ideal material for building simple dwellings, but obviously is unsuited to colder climates. From a personal point of view, living outside of a tropical climate just isn't on, and I'd love to have a bamboo home.

The same applies to the other plant based artifacts. Yes, new technology will give us wonderful new materials, but do we have to throw the baby out with the bath water ?

For me, heaven on Earth is NOT some techno science fiction scenario, it's precisely what it says it is - heaven on Earth, with all of us living in harmony, using and wisely managing the beautiful things we've been blessed with. Of course we will have technology, but it will be put to wise and effective use, it won't merely be an excuse to create more and more disposable (and actually quite bloody useless) gadgets, saving us "time" (so we can do what exactly ? Watch more TV ? Spend longer at the office ?).

Which leads me nicely into the next topic and, ironically, duty calls so I haven't got time to add much more but I'll leave you with a question for now. Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ?

Thank you mariposafe! Nice to see you on here.

When I read your post a few things came to mind.
I too have reservations about a super-tech world that separates us from nature. But the way I’ve come to look at it is that it doesn’t have to be that way with FE.

I find the relationship we have with the earth, her creatures and her natural elements to be deeply enriching and grounding in so many ways. I love to be around natural materials like wood, stone, crystals and more. But one of the extraordinary advantages of FE enabling us to create new materials from scratch is that far more living and organic things could be left to do exactly that, to live and to grow without being removed from that process. I’ve been thinking about the nature of living things in terms of spirit. I do believe, for example, that trees and plants have a spirit and a consciousness. To some people that may sound odd – how can it be proven? But one of the ways our race has justified turning on members of its own species throughout history is to claim that whatever group they were oppressing was inferior in spirit, nature or consciousness. They justified this with arguments about people’s behaviour, mannerisms, cultures or traditions – and often their reasoning was hypocritical, given the violent nature of those claiming to be more civilised. Some justify similar behaviour towards animals because they do not speak a language akin to our own. To what extent do we do this with other living things, not because they don’t read and write, but because they don’t have a ‘face’ that appears like our own?

When I think of questions like this it gets me wondering about the spiritual dimension of life. For example, if we are ensouled, at what stage after conception does a soul enter a human body in the womb? We could ask the same of plants, in terms of their spirit. When it comes to being grounded, plants and trees have always seemed extraordinary to me – their roots growing deep into the earth, to bathe in her energy and soak up the physical nutrients in the darkness; their bodies stretching up in to the world, reaching into the sky to bask in the sun, the wind and rain. They are steady in their countenance.

Cleve Baxter, the former CIA polygraph expert, did some interesting research on the sentient nature of plants:
“His course of study changed in the 1960s, when he reported observing that a polygraph instrument attached to a plant leaf registered a change in electrical resistance when the plant was harmed or even threatened with harm. He argued that plants perceived human intentions, and as Backster began to investigate further, he also reported a finding that other human thoughts and emotions caused reactions in plants that could be recorded by a polygraph instrument. His work was in part inspired by the research of Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose, who claimed to have discovered that playing certain kinds of music in the area where plants grew caused them to grow faster.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster
The Native American elder, Floyd Red Crow Westerman, speaks about our relationship with the trees:
“The tree breathes what we exhale. When the tree exhales - we need what the tree exhales, so we have a common destiny with the tree.”
At 4mins 30seconds here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

When I consider an FE world, I like to remember that whilst it can free me from plundering the earth’s resources, it does not have to separate me from them. My relationship with trees, plants and stones can instead change to something new. Something different. Perhaps it can take on dimensions that I have yet to imagine. To me, that’s one of the reasons why it’s so beautiful that FE can free everyone from survival mode; that it can free us from having to plunder the earth’s resources in order to sustain the technological growth that we have been conditioned to expect from birth, and that has helped us evolve in certain aspects. Because for many of us, once we no longer feel the need to plunder resources to sustain our lives, we are freed to have a broader perspective, a deeper range of feelings towards everything around us. There have always been people who never needed the liberating man-made technology of FE in order to have this relationship with the earth and living things. But I think for others who have been born into a scarcity mind-set, in cultures dominated (overtly or otherwise) by a corporate agenda, it could be a wonderful thing to see a technology that can heal some of the wounds caused by the previous abuse and growing pains of our technological evolution. I for one, would like to see more people ‘talk’ to the trees; to open their minds to them, simply by being with them and acknowledging them as sovereign entities beyond any considerations of what we need from them physically. They can be truly great friends when we treat them as such. As with so much of life, each to her own and in her own time

What do you think?

Speaking of time, you mentioned it here:

“Is "not enough time" part of abundance or scarcity programming ? “

I think it probably is. Wow, that’s an enormous subject - and a delicious one. I’d love to write about that, not because I claim to know much about it, but it inspires so many thoughts... Perhaps I’ll come back to it on another post. But for now I have to run to work, and am short of time

[Wade Frazier]

Hi All:

As I have written plenty, this future Earth that Michael Roads visited is one of the stars that I steer by:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

My efforts were arguably more inspired by healing Earth and our relationship with it than it was to heal the spirit of humanity, but both are deeply entwined. I was many years into my efforts when I happened upon that account by Roads, and when I read it, my reaction was, “Well, somebody got it right.” Because I had pursued a healed planet for many years, and in a very practical, nuts-and-bolts way, that brief account was like an encyclopedia to me of what is feasible with FE lovingly and wisely implemented. No plants are even abused in that reality, much less animals, and much less people. The history of the human attitude of thinking of animals, plants, and people as mere resources is long and sordid. With FE and technologies that are under wraps, looking at living beings as “resources,” there for our consumption, will go away. The plants that we eat will be fulfilled by the eating. Some people will become Level 19s:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level19

and no longer need to eat. Some do on Earth today, it seems.

It is all an energy game, and FE is part of the path of mastery of it.

Best,

Wade

[mosquito]

Posted by Melinda (here)
When I consider an FE world, I like to remember that whilst it can free me from plundering the earth’s resources, it does not have to separate me from them. My relationship with trees, plants and stones can instead change to something new. Something different. Perhaps it can take on dimensions that I have yet to imagine. To me, that’s one of the reasons why it’s so beautiful that FE can free everyone from survival mode; that it can free us from having to plunder the earth’s resources in order to sustain the technological growth that we have been conditioned to expect from birth, and that has helped us evolve in certain aspects. Because for many of us, once we no longer feel the need to plunder resources to sustain our lives, we are freed to have a broader perspective, a deeper range of feelings towards everything around us.

Another thoughtful post - thanks

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, I'd only add that from MY perspective, I believe we can use what mother Earth has given us, without it being "plundering" ! Trees die, why shouldn't we use wood ? My vision of heaven on Earth sees us as a population which is stable, content, appreciative, mutually supportive, harmonious and balanced. on this Earth, in physical bodies. We have what we need and are no longer driven to develop more and more technological garbage. Innovation still happens, but at a pace dictated by our spiriutual evolution, NOT by corporate greed.

I've been around and had the good fortune to meet people from all manner of cultures and backgrounds, and I can state with as much certainty as is advisable that the most spiritually aware, most evolved, most wise are not those with impresive qualifications, nor those with high-flying jobs or large followings of devout disciples, they are the World's indigenous people. And if I had to name a group who outshine anyone I've yet to meet, it would be the Kogi of Colombia.

OK - Time .....

We live together peacefully, harmoniously. There is an abundance of energy for everyone. No-one has a "job" as such, we all do whatever it is we came here to do, and being true to ourselves is, in and of itself all we need to do to maintain an abundant life: dancers dance, designers design, practical people make things, cullinary geniuses prepare food, musicians make music, lovers love, nurturers nurture, thinkers think. There are no deadlines, no petty managers, no pressure of work. Nobody has "not enough time". So I believe that the following 2 things (among others) will be obsolete:

Tourism and fast personal transport (cars etc.)

We live in paradise, why do we need to leave ? There are no dirty smelly cities, no offices full of morons you loathe but have to work with because of financial circumstances, so why do you need a holiday ? Equally, there is no rush to do anything, so why do we need fast transport systems ? Let me elucidate .....

My vision of heaven on Earth has me living in a tropical forest with my loved ones. We are most definitley NOT part of a homogenous species, those who wish to live in the cold do so; those drawn to mountainous regions, or to vast steppes, or deserts live in their ideal environment, abundantly. Our children (and the adults actually) are free to play outside with the rest of the local community. Education is about life, relationships, harmonious living but of course, everyone is free to choose what they wish to learn. When my children and I decide it's time for them to witness other people's way of life, we can do so at leisure. We are all capable of walking, so we take our time making our way to the nearest sea port, enjoying the journey and smelling the flowers on the way. When we arrive, we board a vessel made of a material which is non-reactive in water, non-polluting, totally harmless to the sea and its' inhabitants. The people who "work" on the vessel do so because it's their calling and/or their passion. In this manner we travel around and visit whatever places take our fancy. Everywhere on Earth there can be found temporary accomodation, and people who welcome you to their environment. So let's say it's a kind of cultural exchange, rather than tourism. All of Earth's population have total freedom of movement, and we spend a good deal of our time sharing and enjoying our differences.

When I look up at the sky at night I see stars; in the daytime I see the sky. I do not see people whizzing around at high speed in their silly pieces of tin, nor do I ever have to bear the agony of listening to an unnatural or discordant sound.

As I said, this is part of MY vision of heaven on Earth, and it may be different to someone else's. That's fine !!

[norman]

It still looks to me that there is a taboo here with this subject.

I raised it a long time ago and nothing since has dealt with it enough to put it to bed.

No matter how clever the technology is for creating the 'solutions' are, how are we to calculate the effects?

If a new way to heat my house is found, and all the other houses in the world, how are we going to dissipate that escaping heat without warming up the general environment in a way we've never had to deal with before?

To simply say we can more of everything we think we want is only one side of the equation.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Norman:

Thermal pollution is the most benign pollution that I know of, but for your scenario to be plausible, you are assuming that we would still live in houses that take up ground space and that need to vent heat to the air. With FE, the energy can also be sent back to where it came from, so there would not even be thermal “pollution”, if you want to call it that. But houses can be underwater, underground, in the air, in orbit, or on Mars just as easily as they are on Earth, and freeing the ecosystem from bondage to humans. With FE, the stationary house idea becomes pretty meaningless, kind of like being attached to a skateboard when you can ride a rocket. This thread is not about laying our scarcity-based baggage on the abundance concept, but about what will become obsolete with abundance.

Best,

Wade

[norman]

I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Posted by norman (here)
I think what you are telling me is even that "equations" are obsolete.

I think they are not, but just waiting for us to cover new ground with new equations. Unless the whole universe is a mass that's fully dependent on "our" ideas, which I think it's not, I think we have some work to do on leveling the expectations that abound about this notion of FE.

Best wishes to you.

Hi

Norman, have you heard the term "idio-savant"? These are people who generally score VERY low on IQ test but they can do away with equations and arrive at the answer to the complicated mathematical problem in no time. They can't answer how they do that. But they do. If we woud be allowed as much time as we need we would develop the ability to access the "knowledge field" and do anything the best way it is possible. Without any equations. I guess even Wade would chastise me for such a far fetched statement but here it is

Account of idio-savant is taken from first chapter of the book "Evolution's End" by Joseph Chilton Pearce. There are also accounts of access to that "knowledge field" in other book by same author titled "The Crack In The Cosmic Egg". One was of an Inuit man helping around at the USAirForce base on Alaska. A plans has broken and engine technician had no clue how to fix it. The Inuit man approached him. He put his hand inside the engine compartment and while looking at the technician withe the smile he tweeked something inside. And that was it. The engine was repaired He could not knew about the engine maintenance and yet he managed to fix it...