Can a soul be captured?

[Tony]

Here we go again!

What is at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Just another dream! If you stuff your head with things you do not understand, this doesn't leave room for free will and intelligence.

From https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...re-from-Kerry:

“10. SOUL RETRIEVAL AND TRANSFERENCE :Taking souls from bodies and putting them into stasis and then into new bodies to serve the 'machine' of the secret state. Clones, androids etc. using Grey technology.”

This clearly shows the lack of understanding of the difference between consciousness and true being.

There are electrical impulses in the brain, these are created by the mind = consciousness via the senses. This is your 'normal' mechanical human being. Ordinary human beings who react to everything around them. They either accept everything around them or reject everything around them. They are easily led!

This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.
This is how people are controlled.

Come on people, stop being so easily led.




Tony

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[ Mod-edit: As announced here, the following thread began life as posts on the Camelot disclosure from Kerry thread. - Paul. ]

[Tony]

Someone is getting you to program yourself!

Waking up is being free and going beyond concepts and ideas......especially someone else's.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...

This is true.

so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

This is not true. Souls can be affected by all kinds of things, specifically including spiritual implants. Some terrible things have happened to some souls over the trillennia. Souls can be captured under certain circumstances, and enslaved in every which way.

Tony, it's extremely dangerous to state otherwise. It's like saying to your children that they can go out and play on the street and do anything they like and no harm will ever come to them. This is not true either.

I know what you're trying to say, but it's irresponsible to state it this way. At the metaphysically ultimately highest level, you are (sort of) correct, depending on your definitions: but here we all are buried deep in this level of reality, and potential harm is all around. That's how things got this bad. You surely know that.

The error is to mistake fundamentally different levels of existence and mix them all up. You do that frequently, and it's irritating -- and grossly misleading and confusing to people who sincerely want to learn how things really are. See the first few minutes of my Freedom Central interview here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AVKjAumpjjk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AVKjAumpjjk

Come on people, stop being so easily led.

You are misleading people here. Kerry's summary was a good one. The only major point I would add is that our DNA is being grossly messed with, and there are concerted efforts to alter the human genome to ends that are not totally clear. The entire human race is under siege.

[Christine]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Here we go again!

This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.

This is how people are controlled.

Come on people, stop being so easily led.

Tony

Tony,

I guess you have never met up with a spiritual being that was captured and held prisoner for millenniums of time. It is a tortured existence being held in a static state unable to move/ express but with consciousness intact.

My question to you is - is this "awareness" being affected?

Would you like to know how this is done? Have you ever deeply explored these possibilities?

You can not say that this spirit is being tricked by the mind (the most devious of our senses!) when the brain center, neural transmitters are no longer present. Some thing actually manipulated this plane of existence.

Why?

Your words border on platitudes - where is the reality behind them?

Christine

Kerry's work and blog help people to understand, raise their awareness to the reality of a devious manipulation that is indeed going on. One step on the road to expanded awareness.

[The Truth Is In There]

if they didn't do all these things we'd have nothing to talk about. no, seriously, i agree with tony. ultimately no harm can come of all this. it's a learning experience for souls who incarnate as humans. i'm 100% convinced that, seen from a higher self perspective, nothing can ever happen to souls against their will.

to see things more narrowminded and say something like "what they do may ultimately be harmful to souls that are currently in human bodies" would reject the ultimate truth of creation - that all is one, that these beings are merely other aspects of ourselves and through their actions offer us the means to grow spiritually. growing up and learning is not always easy and the biggest leaps are made through overcoming opposition, adversity and discomfort.

i believe that the reason why so many souls are here on earth right now is that never in "known" human history has it been so easy to grow spiritually at such a high rate. it's a wonderful opportunity and many are wasting it by living in denial or trying to fight these growth facilitators, instead of changing their mindset to one of acceptance and, ultimately, the "loving of one's enemies", as cheesy as that sounds.

[Brodie75]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Here we go again!

What is at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Just another dream! If you stuff your head with things you do not understand, this doesn't leave room for free will and intelligence.

“10. SOUL RETRIEVAL AND TRANSFERENCE :Taking souls from bodies and putting them into stasis and then into new bodies to serve the 'machine' of the secret state. Clones, androids etc. using Grey technology.”

This clearly shows the lack of understanding of the difference between consciousness and true being.

There are electrical impulses in the brain, these are created by the mind = consciousness via the senses. This is your 'normal' mechanical human being. Ordinary human beings who react to everything around them. They either accept everything around them or reject everything around them. They are easily led!

This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.
This is how people are controlled.

Come on people, stop being so easily led.






Tony

I totally agree with you. Our soul is outside of time and space. It is the all and everything.
This physical place with in which we currently reside, (in an illusury way)has nothing to do

with our soul and everything to do with our mind. Which can create any illussion we wish to experience.
Nothing can be taken or done to us that we haven't chosen on some level that we at the physical

maynot understand or remember or even beleive. Yuo may imagine an existence in which SOULS can be
taken or messed with but that's all it will be, imaginary

[Tony]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...

This is true.

so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

This is not true. Souls can be affected by all kinds of things, specifically including spiritual implants. Some terrible things have happened to some souls over the trillennia. Souls can be captured under certain circumstances, and enslaved in every which way.

Tony, it's extremely dangerous to state otherwise. It's like saying to your children that they can go out and play on the street and do anything they like and no harm will ever come to them. This is not true either.

I know what you're trying to say, but it's irresponsible to state it this way. At the metaphysically ultimately highest level, you are (sort of) correct, depending on your definitions: but here we all are buried deep in this level of reality, and potential harm is all around. That's how things got this bad. You surely know that.

The error is to mistake fundamentally different levels of existence and mix them all up. You do that frequently, and it's irritating -- and grossly misleading and confusing to people who sincerely want to learn how things really are. See the first few minutes of my Freedom Central interview here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AVKjAumpjjk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AVKjAumpjjk

Come on people, stop being so easily led.

You are misleading people here. Kerry's summary was a good one. The only major point I would add is that our DNA is being grossly messed with, and there are concerted efforts to alter the human genome to ends that are not totally clear. The entire human race is under siege.

If one gets caught up in the physical world, then it is exactly that...caught up!
If we keep fearing there will be no end to it.

It is all about consciousness, and how it can be misdirected.
If we believe a dream to be real, we will appear to suffer.

Constantly talking of DNA is constantly talking our bodies.
We are not our bodies.

My writing is totally logical, and may be proven by personal experience,
at any moment. If we stick to personal investigation, we will know we
are on 'our' path.

Everyone has a choice, into what they want to pursue,
they will make their own minds up.

If we merely react at things we do not like, we can be
easily manipulated. If we react with inner space, we
have lost control.




All the best,
Tony

[Tony]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Here we go again!

This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.

This is how people are controlled.

Come on people, stop being so easily led.

Tony

Tony,

I guess you have never met up with a spiritual being that was captured and held prisoner for millenniums of time. It is a tortured existence being held in a static state unable to move/ express but with consciousness intact.

My question to you is - is this "awareness" being affected?

Would you like to know how this is done? Have you ever deeply explored these possibilities?

You can not say that this spirit is being tricked by the mind (the most devious of our senses!) when the brain center, neural transmitters are no longer present. Some thing actually manipulated this plane of existence.

Why?

Your words border on platitudes - where is the reality behind them?

Christine

Kerry's work and blog help people to understand, raise their awareness to the reality of a devious manipulation that is indeed going on. One step on the road to expanded awareness.

Dear Christine,

If one believes that 'essence' can tortured or captured, then that is up to that individual. For me it makes no sense whatsoever. A spiritual being...as we all are, can make mistaken choices...we do this all the time! That is why we get caught up in 'things' going on in this world...and after.

Hmm platitudes? Raising one's awareness is still being caught in a relative reality. The reality is the awareness itself.

There is nothing more than Pure Awareness. This is not a platitude, it is absolutely true, but it is only known by experience. True we still live in a relative world and have to respect it...and care for the body. But we do not have to wrap ourselves up in fear.

This is very subtle business, and it goes beyond black ops.




All the best,
Tony

[Tony]

We always need balance.

Science and spirituality go well together = Open mind + Open Heart.

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Souls can be affected by all kinds of things, specifically including spiritual implants. Some terrible things have happened to some souls over the trillennia. Souls can be captured under certain circumstances, and enslaved in every which way.

Hello Bill

I know nothing about this. Could you please elaborate?
Are you saying here that you believe that the "soul" is an entity? As something that lives on after death? As eternal?

For those who do not consider the "soul" to be an entity, do you believe that their "souls" can still be "captured"?

What are these "spiritual implants"? Am I right in assuming you're speaking metaphorically?

Kathie

PS and I find what Tony writes irritating too...

[Tony]

We can always be refined.

If we have a view of 'life' stick with it,
it can always be refined.
If someone comes up with a better view,
and can show it,
the view has been refined.

Information is just words.
Knowledge is experience.
Wisdom is knowing.
Love is Love,
it can always be refined.

[The Royal Wizard]

I think Bill is right here, souls can be trapped, after all thats what we are here on earth; trapped. DNA is IMO not just physichs, DNA is spiritual computer programming, on earth manifesting as a body. The Matrix is not isolated to third density, it also includes the fourth density, a "place" where we have our light bodys, just a less dense version of our physichal body. This fourth density part of the Matrix is where many so called psychichs and channelers get their information. They think they see beyond the veil into the place where souls are free, but they are mistaken. All this control and manipulation Kerry (and many others) speak about includes, and many times, originates from the fourth density. These are clever guys; we die,, see the light, feel the love, and are in that regard very easily controlled, manipulated and once again incarnated into third density. If we want to leave the Matrix, which we can any chosen time, we need to access the fifth density, which is a density more in tune with our original essence. The trouble with this is that reaching our loved ones from the fifth density is almost impossible. Thats why we stay. As they say in the air force: never leave your wingmate. In this process we can easily be trapped; just in the way it is explained by Bill.

BTW there are many reasons why there are so many people here on earth these days; not all of them are true souls, and one soul can inhabit many bodies. And many are nothing more than generated computer programmes, just as in the movie; look out for the woman in red ;-)

all the best

TRW

[Tarka the Duck]

@ Royal Wizard

after all thats what we are here on earth; trapped.

How interesting! I see it from an opposite viewpoint...that we have an amazing opportunity in being born here on earth. I am unspeakably grateful for this incarnation

Kathie

[Kindred]

I'm with pie'n'al... we are trapped ONLY by what we believe...

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Tony]

Show me a tortured soul, and I'll show you a tortured mind.


One who used to be a tortured soul, then I found it was my mind,
Tony

[Tony]

Someone just sent me this PM.

Question.

Do you believe in a "God/Creator" personal or impersonal?
If yes, then do you think God is affected by or could be imprisoned by any entity form or formless?

If God is One without a second then it stands to reason, that you in your True nature as One without a second-- undivided can not be imprisoned/altered/affected.

[humanalien]

Posted by Tarka the Duck (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Souls can be affected by all kinds of things, specifically including spiritual implants. Some terrible things have happened to some souls over the trillennia. Souls can be captured under certain circumstances, and enslaved in every which way.

Hello Bill

I know nothing about this. Could you please elaborate?
Are you saying here that you believe that the "soul" is an entity? As something that lives on after death? As eternal?

For those who do not consider the "soul" to be an entity, do you believe that their "souls" can still be "captured"?

What are these "spiritual implants"? Am I right in assuming you're speaking metaphorically?

Kathie

PS and I find what Tony writes irritating too...

What bill and Tarka says.

I used to think that the mind was a very power thing but i have
learned differently now.

Our mind / soul is something that can be controlled very easily
through hypnosis and or drugs or even flashes of light. Our minds
or thoughts can be controlled through simple ads on tv.

I won't say that our minds or consciousness have no power at all
because i haven't seen any proof of that but at the same time, i
haven't seen any proof that it does, either.

If our consciousness is so powerful, why don't we see proof of this
from every day people?

Having a powerful consciousness, is a man made concept and we all
know man is full of errors.

Tarka:

I don't know if this is the same thing that you are referring to when
you ask bill about spiritual implants but wouldn't people like Duncan
O'finioan be considered as having this implant?

Him and people like him are controlled by our government, through
radio waves and key words and other means, to go out and do missions
for the government and when they snap out of it, they have no remembrance
of what they had done. Duncan said that he had to get an MRI on his head
one day and something inside his head fried from the very powerful radio
waves that the MRI uses and every since then, he hasn't been under
government control.

Like i said, i don't know if this is the same thing but i thought i would
throw it out there. I'm sure bill or someone will correct me, if i'm wrong.

[Kindred]

I strongly feel that the information presented in the OP, while fairly informative in the general sense in that it outlines the current constructs of our present dilemma here on planet Earth, is, when it suggests that these ‘monsters’ have created the technical means to ‘imprison’ a soul, is just so much “horse feathers”, and does Not take into account the Timeless Nature of the Soul.

To support such a contention, I offer this excerpt from “Seth Speaks – the Eternal Validity of the Soul” It validates all that Tony (pie’n’al) has stated.

From chapter 17; Probabilities, the Nature of Good and Evil, and Religious Symbolism

“…the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion’s ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

On the one hand, quite simply, and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now, it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil – or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom – but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

We go back to our fundamentals; You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized; others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination. As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

Now, those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears – mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.”

End excerpt

Now, relative to the creation of technology to ‘imprison’ a soul… how long do you think such a machine will last, regardless of its nature? Moreover, how long will such a corrupt ‘civilization’ last to maintain such technology? I would suggest that the soul will outlast Any technology or it's civilization, and thus will be ‘free to go’ upon disintegration of said ‘civilization’ (or planet, whichever comes first). Thus, it can be seen that the creation of such technology is something of a fruitless effort, for the Soul is Eternal…
ALL physicality is Temporary.

Now, it has been described in Thiaoouba Prophesy, that there does exist around each celestial body, an ‘alternate timeless dimension’, that, on occasion, a hapless soul, human or otherwise, may ‘fall into’. Note however, that these ‘souls’ are in physical form… Not exclusively as a soul. In fact, it is pointed out that should this physical entity ‘die’ while in this ‘dimension’, then the soul is released from this alternate dimension, to carry on in it’s evolution. Even if this entity does not die during the existence of this celestial body, Eventually, Even this Celestial Body will cease to exist, and the soul, Again, is ‘free to go’.

So, in the end, all this talk of ‘capturing souls’ is simply Fear Porn – do not worry about it. In ignoring this, you do Not give it power over yourselves.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Christine (here)
I guess you have never met up with a spiritual being that was captured and held prisoner for millenniums of time. It is a tortured existence being held in a static state unable to move/ express but with consciousness intact.

There are even beings here on Avalon that were once very different, but were long ago neutered, spiritually crippled, and stuffed into a jar. After many lifetimes spent locked in madness in the human experience, they are just now breaking out of that bondage.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

If God is One without a second then it stands to reason, that you in your True nature as One without a second-- undivided can not be imprisoned/altered/affected.

But we ARE divided. Here in the space-time we are separated from God by O/our own choice and will in order to experience ourself. Or something. But in any case, I think it is evident that we are separate from God even as our true nature is that we ARE God. Otherwise, I would never feel pain, struggle for money, or have desires. Even if the only thing separating us from God is our own self-realization, we are still separate.