Threat Assessment and Analysis with Crystal Clark, James Horak, Randy Maugans

[Helvetic]

Threat Assessment and Analysis with Crystal Clark, James Horak, Randy Maugans, November 3, 2012

Source: offplanetradio.com, emvsinfo.blogspot.com, A Refined Cosmology to Address Cosmic Anomaly - Lifting the Veil

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sELm9zVs8q4

Responding to the ridiculous theories of David Icke and his distorted usage of the research of NASA scientist, Dr. Norman Bergrund. The fake cosmology of the Sun-Moon-Saturn menace; the Moon-Mind Control Orb scenario, fake alien invasion thesis; weather wars and genocide; The Greed-To-Death cycle of wars; Werner von Braun's leak of the hostile alien thesis. A call to reason and unity among humans against the Global Elite Death Wars.

[Snoweagle]

Thoroughly recommended watching. Lots of info, bring notebook.

This discussion does not criticize orators within the alternative media but refocuses attention to REAL and abundant dangers in our lives. (reference to David Icke is critical, not so much at Davids content but at the attention of the audience away from these real issues).

Am currently third the way through and very pleased at the content and emphasis so far. Please, do listen.

[Cidersomerset]

Im 37 min in and they are talking about all the current problems from a 100% human view point which is fine.

They are critical of David Icke and Kerry Cassidy for carrying the alien agenda and fear mongering which is fine
from their point of view.But I stop at this point because James says.......

"The people who are doing Davids home work !
Because they have to !....Because David is doing his celebrity thing so much!
They would have brought there knowledge of Dr.Bergman up to date" .

He ( David) would have realised Dr.Bergman has changed his view that it is a Sun,
moon , matrix..... Not a saturn, moon matrix which is....BS James says.....

It is fine to criticise, but also BS on James part as few research more than David and he has said the Sun plays
a major part in the bigger picture...

James has obviously not seen the presentation by Bob Dean in Barcelona and the craft in saturns rings.

I'l carry on Snoweagle says things get better...LOL..!

Well the conversation carried on as we do on here, and is okay , but after critising
Kerry and David over the alien agenda it would have been nice for them to
acknowledge their good work !

Both David and Kerry have talked about virtually everything said in the vid and highlited it to the public.....
At the end they do mention a Alex Jones article to watch..

They are frustrated but aren't we all at times.............Cheers steve

[truth4me]

Something is going on on Saturn for sure and IMO Dr. Bergmans book debunks NASA stance that we are the only planet with life on it....

[Snoweagle]

I consider your points extremely valid Cider, just as I see the balance of their discussion fueling debate. We need debate in its most strongest terms of we will never find humanities true path.
It is easy to scoff and scorn views of others especially if the paradigm of our own beliefs is wrong in some way. This change of mind we refer to as enlightenment. We just need heaps more of it.
Indeed the second two thirds of the videos discussion does become more vociferous but it is only based on views from a different perspective and can also be construed as valid.
And I do agree identifying individuals critically does not do the truth seeking movement many favours though I reiterate from my perspective there is a renewed emphasis to focus on the REAL influences in our lives than tertiary ghosts of alienology.
Enjoy

[Cidersomerset]

I consider your points extremely valid Cider, just as I see the balance of their discussion fueling debate. We need debate in its most strongest terms of we will never find humanities true path.
It is easy to scoff and scorn views of others especially if the paradigm of our own beliefs is wrong in some way. This change of mind we refer to as enlightenment. We just need heaps more of it.
Indeed the second two thirds of the videos discussion does become more vociferous but it is only based on views from a different perspective and can also be construed as valid.
And I do agree identifying individuals critically does not do the truth seeking movement many favours though I reiterate from my perspective there is a renewed emphasis to focus on the REAL influences in our lives than tertiary ghosts of alienology.
Enjoy

I agree with that, they did seem 'war weary' and frustrated, but they also covered a vast area of info in short time. So everything was sound bites. Luckily as most on here would
reconise their views and where they are comming from. We all could argue a case for ET's existing or it be a construct of the elite to keep us under control, and we can all play
good cop bad cop on different threads, depending on what angle you wish to take.

Alot of material contradicts itselfe and by definition a lot of the info banded around by researchers must be wrong.Its all open to interpretation.As with real science everything is
theory until the next discovery ! If everthing in the universe is made up of atoms nothing is real,except at the melecular level ! So does that bring us back to a God ? or as
Ion says we are all eternal beings 'Wonderfull human creators' who inhabbit these 'meat sackbodies' for the experiance of contrast and to create. because in our greater
non-physical form we cannot physically create. As all our thoughts and wishes instantly manifest into our non physical reality !!

OR are we just the slaves of a few elite bloodline who over the centuries have managed to stay at the top of the tree ?? How is it logically possible that all bar
one of the presidents of the 'Land of the not so free' are all related to Uk & European blooodlines if there was not an active agenda to make it happen and
keep all the wealth within the extended elite family bloodline! Many Many Questions ??

What we all have in common on here imo, is we have all woken up to the fact , something is wrong with the Status Quo of how the world seems, and is run !
and we all know there is much more to it than we are being told !!

[golden lady]

James Horak may disagree with David Icke's theory on the Saturn/Moon matrix and " alien" agenda . However, to me there was also a whole lot of agreement of what outcomes we are experiencing ie chemtrails, gmo, etc, etc. With both parties calling for us to do something about it.
A good interview, well worth listening to. Food for thought indeed.

[Ol' Roy]

Hey Cidersomerset,

Just curious. Who was the only the only US president not related to European elite bloodlines? I have seen this before. Maybe from you.

I am getting ready to watch the video. I appreciate you posting this Helvetic!

[Cidersomerset]

Martin Van Buran ......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9oYKMJkatzI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealo..._United_States


If you go back far enough i expect most of us have some Royal blood in us,
but the elite families keep theirs topped up with a higher grade so to speak !!

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Well Mitt is definately related to US Royalty !


Mitt Romney Is Related to Six Former Presidents, Including FDR And The Bush Family


WASHINGTON -- When your dad is the former governor of Michigan, and your mom was a Senate candidate, you might expect that presidential lineage comes with the territory. In Mitt Romney's case, you'd be right.

Ancestry.com revealed Tuesday that Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, is related to six former presidents, including fellow Republicans Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, President George H.W. Bush and his son George W. Bush. Romney is also related to Democrats Franklin D. Roosevelt and Franklin Pierce.But none of the past presidents are close relatives; Roosevelt, his closed relative, is his eighth cousin.

Romney's Bush and Roosevelt connections trace back to Anne Marbury Hutchinson, who settled in New York, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Hutchinson was one of the most prominent women in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and her opposition to the rigid interpretation Puritanism eventually led to her banishment to modern-day Rhode Island in the 1640s.

The rest of Romney's presidential roots can be traced back to Englishman Thomas Richardson, a landowner who lived in Hertfordshire in the late 16th century. Romney is related to Presidents Calvin Coolidge (10th cousins), Herbert Hoover (10th cousins) and Franklin Pierce (sixth cousins, four times removed), through him.

At the time of the original analysis, which can take months, Newt Gingrich wasn't showing in the polls, but the team at Ancestry.com is hard at work on his profile, the site's lead family historian, Anastasia Harman, told HuffPost.Coming in at number two in the presidential pedigree contest behind Romney is former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who is tangentially related to Romney, Franklin Roosevelt and the Bushes, also through Ann Marbury Hutchinson.

Huntsman also shares some lineage with Calvin Coolidge, though not through the same ancestor as Romney. In his case, Coolidge is his seventh cousin, 3 times removed, courtesy of William Goddard, who escaped the London plague of 1665 and settled in Massachusetts with his family. Texas Gov. Rick Perry is also related to a past president, Harry Truman; they are both descendants of an early settler in Virginia in the 1700s.

Michele Bachmann, however, wasn't so lucky -- her ancestry is completely Norwegian, said Harman, but it's not quite American royalty, presidentially speaking. Luckily for Bachmann, she's pretty close to GOP primary royalty: The Minnesota congresswoman was the only primary candidate born in Iowa, which she hopes will count for something during the state's first-in-the-nation Republican caucus on January 3.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1160732.html

[ghostrider]

as always Helvetic you Rock !

[TraineeHuman]

Let’s remember that Kerry has no professional (formal) training in journalism. As far as I understand, one major reason for the schism between her and Bill Ryan was that she insisted that she somehow “knew” that the Heather material was basically valid in the raggedy form in which it came, despite many reasonable objections. Those objections, which Bill raised, were essentially the same as those that any professional journalist would raise.

There seem to be two reasons why Kerry believes she [sic] knows for certain that an alien threat exists. One is through information from whistleblowers who came from, or worked within, the military. Of course, the military automatically assumes without proof that they know that any alien or external group is a dire threat to themselves and indeed to humankind. Hence, all such “information” from those whistleblowers has that paranoid assumption already built in.

Secondly, I believe Kerry claims to have an extraordinarily accurate intuition. (Why, I don’t understand at all. Where is the evidence?) A major part of the basis for this, in her mind – based on comments in some of her radio shows --, appears to be the fact that she has had Samadhi experiences several or a few times. But I happen to know – and can confirm through having personally known that rare thing, some extraordinarily accurate clairvoyants -- that such experiences do not make a person an accurate clairvoyant at all. They do release some general psychic healing ability and some telepathic ability. But I happen to know that even the most naturally gifted clairvoyants only achieve accuracy through the equivalent of at least a number of full-time years of hard work devoted just to sharpening their psychic skills. It’s a rare achievement. It’s not simply a natural “gift”. You can read any of the acknowledged authorities on this, such as Sri Aurobindo. They confirm everything I’m saying.

Also, unfortunately I laugh whenever somebody claims to have made it spiritually just because they’ve had a Samadhi experience or two. The truth is, such an experience is only the very beginning of the true spiritual journey. Again, read the acknowledged authorities and don’t just take my word for it. But I’m talking from my own experience here also. I’m sorry, but, so far, I unfortunately find the reasons I have heard Kerry offer for her supposedly super-accurate intuition as laughable, and, it seems to me, rather ignorant.

[Referee]

[Star Tsar]

So how do we distinguish between EBE's & ET's is there anymore sources of infomation besides A Refined Cosmology to Address Cosmic Anomaly?

[Helvetic]

ET Versus EBE - a Clarification

by James Horak


Someone very dear to me has asked for a clear discrimination between E. T. and EBE, something I've addressed before many times online in various forums and in discussions elsewhere. That this problem has been poorly addressed by others and led to a great deal of confusion begs the task.

The chronology of mankind's presence on earth has a broken connection with a separate evolutionary counterpart installed (or seeded) much earlier than that of the present lineage known as homosapien. Ideally that evolutionary adjunct would not have occurred and a more environmentally robust individual would have developed in time. But forebearers from other worlds found need for a new home and was pressed so hard for time, that little choice was given but to come to this system. At that time Mars was the planet of choice and their vehicle, our present moon, served to better help install more favorable conditions for their survival.

Deep beneath the surface, an old race of people persisted so advanced that they approached a level of attainment even most all communities of ET can express only in legend, that of spiritual technology. Only through their concern and application of customizing solutions to the problems inherent to this exodus was it remotely possible to make the necessary altercations.

In time, however, those people transported to this new home, intent on an energy economy and a poorly based power structure, began to digress their resources and habitat at an alarming rate. To offset the result, poorly prepared attempts were made to cycle geophysical energy from a mantle of the planet too early in its state of development (by a new and dynamic moon) to sustain such exploitation. The planet soon lost its ability to provide the habitat needed.

It is at the time, some 300,000 years ago, the Martian Exodus to Earth was begun. The early inhabitants of Mars, let us call them the Drooge, helped prepare the way and establish, with a grid of enormous engines, a more likely success to the venture. Shortly the Drooge would leave entirely the system to become an ultimate expression of attainment as an incorporation of spiritual technology. Their directions that were left the now earth-based humanity could easily have completed the transition fully had the intentions of the select few allowed them followed.

Instead of implementing such wisdom, what became the elite (and an unfortunate model of behavior through all the following eras,) kept in place a sad state of affairs that yielded to their control a people more easily enslaved by being kept in a servile mindset. The existance of a constantly fluctuating gravity/magnetic field on the moon and its resultant effects on earth's own gravity wave signature, lost one important ingredient to an otherwise ideally mixed respirant by earth losing its own ability to hold helium to itself. The aftermath led to a false model of dichotomy, rulers versus the ruled, and a subsequent loss in those ruled having the same power of expectation. With other modifications secretly made, those ruled lessened to a state of divided consciousness. Along with programs installed to sublimate the attendant ambivalence bred and to promote it as ideal, people were brought to think of this as a natural state. While only in the last fifty years has this been challenged to any extent



Page II, ET versus EBE

Into this varied mix, come an interloper, themselves fresh from, in a manner of speaking, being left adrift upon the aether of the Universe, EBEs, ExtraBiologicalEntities. Made exclusively for deep space travel by an highly advanced race, too sympathetic to their own to send sentient mind into the fathomless void where they would be lost to loved ones and home, these creatures are designed to have no ability to pass on technology, to reproduce as a species, or to have any such nature lending to aggression or schemes for conquest.

But then this civilization, let us call them the Abroyt, progress themselves to this higher state, to spiritual technology, as will and have the Drooge. The EBEs receive no returns to their signals from deep space, no reaffirmation of mission intent, nothing responding upon which to act. Eons pass without any such contact until some fluke causes scanning for other signals to begin. And then the corruption begins. Aberrancy begins and their meddling action among ET communities is noticed and the drive to rid the galaxy of these problematic interlopers becomes a priority.

Driven further and further away from conclaves of systems organized around such community, the EBEs find our system and an immediate lacking among the planet's people to discharge them. They also find this flaw in earth-based human mind and in its corrupted leadership, all-in-all, an easily enough circumstance to exploit to their own ends and a hope to burrow deep within social, political and military establishments by offering a carrot in shared technology they never intend to fully provide. When the esteemed Henry McElroy disclosed his reading of a classified memo on the Eisenhower meeting with ET, the discussion was about their own singular concern to rid earth of EBEs. The military's concern to maintain a hope of acquiring EBE technology (ET would not offer) was poorly advised.

When the lovely Niara Isley spoke about her flight to an off-earth base from near her duty station as a radar operation at Groom Lake, she spoke of observing the pilot of the craft as an EBE, though told this was a reptillian or “grey”. Obviously just one example of how what we have of EBE technology is not furthered far into our own technology or even navigable by our own hand.

Stressing here, I am making the point that EBEs are solely pilots and information gatherers, not even imaginative technicians, and far from being scientists. Even if they wanted, they can impart no significant advance to others. We merely are better advised of possibility...and not anymore than we would be by honest reflection on what we see sometimes flying around in our skies. In no way sentient, EBEs are sewn-together extrabiological machines all merely linked to a common computer who have somehow been opportunized themselves into serving various black ops programs. All for a deep dug escape from ET.

While ET is you, people of earth, if you succeed beyond your elitist confines, and grow to anywhere near your potential.

JCH

September 27 2010

[modwiz]

Thanks Helvetic. This (about EBE's) was well known to me as James and I were original members of the 18. I had hours of opportunity on skype to benefit from this time period. We can only hope this clarification is heard. James Horak is a resource that this community has not made use of.

[Star Tsar]

Members of the 18
What is this Modwiz may I ask?

[modwiz]

Posted by K.W.B (here)
Members of the 18
What is this Modwiz may I ask?

It was an alternative "think tank" of sorts.

[grannyfranny100]

Remember the Charles material? People are still looking for a "boss." It's much easier to be asleep and accept mind control. Look at the election, how many voters even explored third party options? instead they just selected between tweedle dee and tweedle dum as they were directed to do by the media. Looking outside the box at the bigger picture is beyond their capabilities. Thus I am surprised at the positive comments in this thread: Threat Assessment and Analysis with Crystal Clark, James Horak, Randy Maugans. Everyone here isn't brain dead! Thanks, Helvetic.