Cannabis legislation / legalization

[blufire]

still missing my main point guys

Maybe you need to open a window and let a bit of smoke out . . . just kidding, just kidding . . . . well sorta

[eaglespirit]

Blufire...there really are People on this Beautiful Planet in the rhythm of the Folks in this movie...
and THEY ARE Advanced Cannabis People, imho : )
All We have to do is 'actively' adopt some of Their ways in Our Own day to day lives, right now!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fyiyYrkzPbQ

[thunder24]

I get up at 7:30 in the morning usually per my rhythms. in spring summer fall i garden... i talk about it, i watch it, i do it.... I am very motivated to do such...

It has been snowy and cold here... I wake up about 7;30 and im working on building a cabin, that eventually will b encircled by a self sufficient farm... I am not lazy, though when i want to rest I DO!
and I partake of the doja.

If one of ur points was that it makes them unmotivated, or not starters.... I beg to differ... and can, though won't, provide a list of others that do not fit in that mold.

peace

[Belle]

Posted by blufire (here)
I don’t want to sound flippant . . . but are they and will they? I apologize but I simply don’t see it. . . perhaps in individual (very very few) lives.

I know I have . . . live outside the box or control . . . . I am nearly 100% self sufficient and off-grid. As well as working hard in my community to make a true change toward abundance for everyone here in my small mountain town.

Again I know this will sound flippant and negative, but when I think of the people that are heavy pot users (and I know a bunch) Hell I grew the stuff for years . . . they ARE very complacent and peaceful . . . but they are also ‘generally’ very self involved and not self starters or not very motivated. These attributes of heavy pot users are not capable of bring about your comment of

ALL of the 'manipulation' plans, behind the scenes and blatant...are about to backfire in rapid-fire succession, imho

Does anyone have the opinion that ‘on the surface” the reason for pot legalization is for the very fact pot smokers are more complacent, peaceful and malleable?

Which would you rather go toe to toe with in bringing a population and a country to its knees . . . complacent peaceful pot smokers or those of us who are a bit more on edge and armed to the teeth with all our scruples?

Legalizing pot is simply a tactic to bring about a very deep multifaceted plan

That is not exactly my definition of living outside of the box or control...after reading your posts for a long time, it seems to me you've learned to function very well within the system, knowing how to use it for your (and your community's) benefit.

Pot smokers may be peaceful, but complacent and malleable?!!? Not a chance. Shunning the system and simplifying life does not make one complacent or malleable, imho. In my experience they place value on what is important in their life...especially other people. They don't need to fight the system or work within it...it doesn't exist to them. They have chosen a different way...most of the ones I know have turned their back on it completely...along with several people who do not smoke but have also turned their back on the system.

What absolutely astonishes me is that fact that it was outlawed to begin with...it's medicinal value supplanted with chemicals (and all their harmful side effects) to feed big pharma...it's oil that burns clean replaced with the oil that comes out of the ground, is harmful, expensive, and wars are fought over it...it's recreational value replaced with alcohol, especially grain alcohol which is toxic to humans...it's industrial value as cloth (let's grow cotten instead or how about creating our own fibers that do not breathe and are chock full of chemicals), paper (much better to cut down all our trees instead), rope and so much more given up for the benefit of who?....industries that don't care about us or the earth.

The way I see it is that you can choose to play their game their way for little things or stop playing. I do not accept their 'authority' over me. Period. Who are they to say what we can and cannot do, make or use? Maybe they carry a big stick and use it as often as they can, but if we all stop playing along....think about it. Government can only function/exist if we agree to it.

By approving this question, the people have clearly stated they don't agree with the law as it exists. Now we get to see if the people were heard...will the state legislature actually pass the bill legalizing it or not?

[ThePythonicCow]

When I was in high school, in a small town in upstate New York, in the late 1960's, there was no pot that I know of.

There were 29 in my high school class ... most of us had been in the same class and same school since kindergarten. The other 28 in my class all went 100 miles south, to a farm near Woodstock, New York, in August of 1969. I stayed home that weekend, to study for an upcoming test. I was probably the only one who got an A on that test . I also might have been the only one in my class who had not smoked pot yet, come Monday of the next week.

I then attended a "hippie" school (we called it Berkeley North) -- Reed College, Portland, Oregon. I first smoked pot in my junior year there, when I learned I was going to become a "dorm dad" (resident advisor) in one of the on campus dormitories my senior year. I figured I'd better have some idea what most of those around me were doing. I quit any smoking (what little I did) a year later, because it interfered with my doing math. Some of the math I was doing required days (through wakefulness and sleep) of concentration of my perhaps modest mental capacities, and I noticed that I absolutely could not keep up that constant concentration (like playing chess in one's head, without the board) anytime within about three days after smoking.

Given the ubiquity of pot in colleges since then, and in high schools at least as of the time my son attended high school a few years back, and given that major military, intelligence and financial agencies are up to their eyeballs in drug running (both pot and harder stuff), it seems manifestly clear to me that drugs, both legal and illegal, both hard and soft, are seriously big business on this planet.

As with most big business, serious conflicts are built into the structure, which seems to provide the bastards in power more control over the ongoing process.

It also seems manifestly clear to me that the sort of hard and focused work of which blufire speaks, or the extended mental concentration of the fond but fading memories of my own youth, don't mix well with being stoned. From what I've seen, violent revolution is a greater risk in a population that drinks alcohol than in a population that smokes dope.

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So, like fluoride, I suspect pot may be a "mellowing out" drug for the populace.

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But there may be something else going on here as well, and that is a new round of "isolationism" in America, rather as happened over a century ago with the decline of the British Empire and the Pound Sterling.

An economic analyst who I have been following quite closely for a few years now, Eric Janszen of iTulip, continues to get his major calls amazingly accurate, even if he has zero tolerance for the sort of tin foil hat conspiracy junk (what he might call it) that we engage in on this forum. In his latest public article, Reality Check, Election Edition – Part I: 1936 Election Recycled - Eric Janszen , Eric makes brief mention, right at the end, of the second Part of that article, which is for subscribers (I am one) only. The last topic in Part II is "Energy Isolationism", which I won't describe in detail, since it is behind the iTulip.com pay wall. But in rough summary, America will be bringing critical sources back home.

Two of its most critical imports are oil and drugs. Eric doesn't discuss drugs (he's probably smoked less pot than I ever did), but he has been discussing "Peak Cheap Oil" for years now.

As the value of the "almighty US Dollar" shrinks, and is no longer accepted for much in exchange for imports, and as the American Empire shrinks, just as did the British Empire a century ago, reversing once again a tidal wave of Anglo world dominance, the US will need to rely on domestic energy sources far more heavily. Eric would not give "Free Energy" mechanisms the time of day, and I suspect he's right on that too. America will start using the domestic reserves of gas and oil that Big Oil has kept off the market, and out of public view, the last half century.

Similarly, we're going to have to start growing our own dope. As I used to jokingly tell my son when he entered adolescence, the single most dangerous species on this planet, bar none, is the young adult human male. We (well, our Lordly Masters) have been keeping the populace drugged down in various ways, including fluoride and (especially for young adolescent and adult males) pot, since at least that epic festival in Woodstock, the fall of 1969.

Hemp, in its other forms as well, could be a boon to a new era of American isolationism.

[bodhii71]

I actually become more motivated, feel more creative, and usually end up doing more when enjoying this plant. Sometimes it is used in sacrament. I built a 34 string Regency harp, while "high". I do understand what Bluefire is attempting to get across, although it is a bit biased. Like many mind expanding substances, wherever one's mind may be it will magnify and can leave one ungrounded or out of sorts. It is all balance. It does allow one to reset their beliefs and thinking.
The benefit far outweigh any detriment.
I think one should apply logic to this discussion and be wary of any fallacies that may arise. We have been subjected to decades of propaganda. It could easily be argued that those who are unmotivated and despondent would be so either way.
How would you describe the rest of humanity when all we would hold as worthy are being systematically stripped away? It all starts and ends with consciousness.

Paul, you do raise a interesting point, I concede to your life experiences and appreciate your point of view on this topic. It can and does have it's own drawbacks. I personally don't advocate heavy use, but I also cannot say it is without it's merits either. You may even be spot on in your analysis concerning the governments' involvement, I don't doubt this at all. Isn't that why we see Federal agencies strong arming dispensaries, extracting every last cent from both ends?

[Belle]

Seems to me the government and its agencies have been running everything except pot...flooding the ghettos with cocaine and heroin, crack and you name it...but never pot. Why?

[TargeT]

Posted by bodhii71 (here)
I actually become more motivated, feel more creative, and usually end up doing more when enjoying this plant. Sometimes it is used in sacrament. I built a 34 string Regency harp, while "high". I do understand what Bluefire is attempting to get across, although it is a bit biased. Like many mind expanding substances, wherever one's mind may be it will magnify and can leave one ungrounded or out of sorts. It is all balance. It does allow one to reset their beliefs and thinking.
The benefit far outweigh any detriment.
I think one should apply logic to this discussion and be wary of any fallacies that may arise. We have been subjected to decades of propaganda. It could easily be argued that those who are unmotivated and despondent would be so either way.
How would you describe the rest of humanity when all we would hold as worthy are being systematically stripped away? It all starts and ends with consciousness.

Paul, you do raise a interesting point, I concede to your life experiences and appreciate your point of view on this topic. It can and does have it's own drawbacks. I personally don't advocate heavy use, but I also cannot say it is without it's merits either. You may even be spot on in your analysis concerning the governments' involvement, I don't doubt this at all. Isn't that why we see Federal agencies strong arming dispensaries, extracting every last cent from both ends?

Posted by Paul (here)
I noticed that I absolutely could not keep up that constant concentration (like playing chess in one's head, without the board) anytime within about three days after smoking.

So strange how different people react so differently, I often wonder if its based on the spesific plant type that is being consumed or if it is personal chemistery (which I lean to more).

I also do not lose cognitive ability though I can be "lost in thought"; I have rebuilt 3 engines while heavily under the influence of this plant & they all ran beautifully, but I also do not get "spacy" unless i'm introduced to a heavily indica strain

Posted by Belle (here)
Seems to me the government and its agencies have been running everything except pot...flooding the ghettos with cocaine and heroin, crack and you name it...but never pot. Why?

I'd say its probably profit margine & volume.

1/8th an oz of cannabis takes up roughly 20 times the volume of 1/8 oz of cocaine. and sells for like 1/5th the price.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I also do not lose cognitive ability though I can be "lost in thought"; I have rebuilt 3 engines while heavily under the influence of this plant & they all ran beautifully

If I were competent in rebuilding engines, I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that I could rebuild just fine, perhaps even better, while stoned, or even days later.

The only difference I could tell in my mental capacities, 2 or 3 days after being stoned, was that I could not maintain the pure focus required, for hours and days on end, to work the sort of math problems I had determined to work. There was nothing in the physical world to support such mental work ... it was purely in thought.

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Posted by bodhii71 (here)
but I also cannot say it is without it's merits either

Indeed -- I'm much better at kissing when stoned (or so I remember.)

[Hip Hipnotist]

Posted by Belle (here)
Seems to me the government and its agencies have been running everything except pot...flooding the ghettos with cocaine and heroin, crack and you name it...but never pot. Why?

Smoking pot is not physically addicting. Cocaine, heroin, crack ( crack = smoking cocaine ) are. The government has no interest in drugs that aren't addictive, especially when they profit from them.

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"Legalizing pot is simply a tactic to bring about a very deep multifaceted plan"

The only deep, multifaceted plan in legalizing pot are the funds it will generate for the state(s) that wise up and except it. Does anyone actually believe that the controlling interests need anything else to further dumb down those that aren't already brain dead? When those that are in control ( of the brain dead ) get ready to 'pull the plug' ( currency collapse, plague, Project Bluebeam -- whatever ) they're gonna pull it. The sheople are already herded. Legalizing pot serves no other purpose than to generate funds. Just another arcane/archaic 'law' that needs the boot.

Just a reminder, kids. Oral sex is still illegal in many states. You can look up which ones.

Whew, thank god Colorado isn't one of them. I couldn't imagine doing time for two of my favorite things.

Ah, come on, lighten up. I'm just joshin'. Sort'a. ;-))

[thunder24]

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)

Posted by Belle (here)
Seems to me the government and its agencies have been running everything except pot...flooding the ghettos with cocaine and heroin, crack and you name it...but never pot. Why?

Smoking pot is not physically addicting. Cocaine, heroin, crack ( crack = smoking cocaine ) are. The government has no interest in drugs that aren't addictive, especially when they profit from them.

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"Legalizing pot is simply a tactic to bring about a very deep multifaceted plan"

The only deep, multifacted plan in legalizing pot are the funds it will generate for the state(s) that wise up and except it. Does anyone actually believe that the controlling interests need anything else to further dumb down those that aren't already brain dead? When those that are in control ( of the brain dead ) get ready to 'pull the plug' ( currency collapse, plague, Project Bluebeam -- whatever ) they're gonna pull it. The sheep are already herded. Legalizing pot serves no other purpose than to generate funds. Just another arcane 'law' that needs the boot.

Just a reminder, kids. Oral sex is still illegal in many states. You can look up which ones.

Whew, thank god Colorado isn't one of them. I couldn't imagine doing time for two of my favorite things.

Ah, come on, lighten up. I'm just joshin'. Sort'a. ;-))

now that was funny

[TargeT]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
I also do not lose cognitive ability though I can be "lost in thought"; I have rebuilt 3 engines while heavily under the influence of this plant & they all ran beautifully

If I were competent in rebuilding engines, I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that I could rebuild just fine, perhaps even better, while stoned, or even days later.

The only difference I could tell in my mental capacities, 2 or 3 days after being stoned, was that I could not maintain the pure focus required, for hours and days on end, to work the sort of math problems I had determined to work. There was nothing in the physical world to support such mental work ... it was purely in thought.

I suppose you're right, though myself not being an advanced math person and you not being familar with what it takes to rebuild an engine I'm sure there are probably more incommon with the two than not; though the attention to detail is the focus for an engine rebuild, checking tolerances performing things in the proper sequence etc.. and you do, of course, have the engine to remind you which part you have done already. (I always thought the word "build" in engine rebuilding is a bit misleading, as its mostly a mental exersize punctuated by a few physical tasks)

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
Just a reminder, kids. Oral sex is still illegal in many states. You can look up which ones.

Whew, thank god Colorado isn't one of them. I couldn't imagine doing time for two of my favorite things.

Ah, come on, lighten up. I'm just joshin'. Sort'a. ;-))

there is an ordinance in Anchorage that starting on Jan. 2nd men are not to shave their beards until after the Fur Rendezvous carnival where they have a beard contest. (started back in the mid 30's and as far as I know never repealed)
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_Rendezvous_Festival)



there is an ordinance in Fairbanks that requires police to keep moose off the streets

it is also illegal to "view a moose" from a plane

[nurgle]

I agree with you TargeT that the reaction might have to do with the chemical make up of ones brain. For example I have some very serious depression and anxiety (have dealt with it all my life) but just recently I have been smoking pot to take the edge off. For me Pot just levels me, my girl says I just act "normal and fun". She doesn't have any major mental health issues and when she smokes it, it totally wrecks her, she gets all spaced out, slow, and the giggles. She sits in one spot were as I move all round making stuff and accomplishing things. I have taken many different kindas of anti depressants and anti anxiety pills, and they are really brutal, on your body and mind. I recommend not to take them if one really doesn't have too. They only helped me by making me an emotionless zombie so I wouldn't kill myself. Weed just makes me happy, light hearted, and hungry; a good combo if you ask me. I RATHER SMILE THAN DROOL!

-be safe

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I suppose you're right, though myself not being an advanced math person and you not being familar with what it takes to rebuild an engine I'm sure there are probably more incommon with the two than not; though the attention to detail is the focus for an engine rebuild, checking tolerances performing things in the proper sequence etc.. and you do, of course, have the engine to remind you which part you have done already. (I always thought the word "build" in engine rebuilding is a bit misleading, as its mostly a mental exersize punctuated by a few physical tasks)

I could do the one or two hour math problem without any noticeable difference in ability, two days after being stoned.

It was only the one or two day (as in 24 to 48 hours, non-stop) math problem that I couldn't keep in focus.

[eaglespirit]

Posted by Paul (here)
It also seems manifestly clear to me that the sort of hard and focused work of which blufire speaks, or the extended mental concentration of the fond but fading memories of my own youth, don't mix well with being stoned. From what I've seen, violent revolution is a greater risk in a population that drinks alcohol than in a population that smokes dope.

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Hemp, in its other forms as well, could be a boon to a new era of American isolationism.

...and so it is, in the rhythms I am picking up and this will be unfolding strongly!
Hemp is on its way back, imho!

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I could never smoke pot consistently in my younger years either, Paul, without having the same matters occur that You shared...as in taking Calculus tests while stoned...it just did not work for me.

I am not a pot smoker, but recently have been joining my Native American Friend smoking a very special blend he gets...it has been a profound spiritual experience...and I am grateful and surprised and felt the need to share that here.

[Belle]

Posted by Belle (here)
Seems to me the government and its agencies have been running everything except pot...flooding the ghettos with cocaine and heroin, crack and you name it...but never pot. Why?
I'd say its probably profit margine & volume.

Posted by TargeT
1/8th an oz of cannabis takes up roughly 20 times the volume of 1/8 oz of cocaine. and sells for like 1/5th the price.

Posted by Hip Hipnotist
Smoking pot is not physically addicting. Cocaine, heroin, crack ( crack = smoking cocaine ) are. The government has no interest in drugs that aren't addictive, especially when they profit from them.

Two good reasons the government should not care about pot usage...it really does not take away from their drug business because pot users tend not to use heavier drugs.

I must admit I have a vested interest. My son has been in chronic pain for 5 years...and has had negative side effects from just about every prescription drug they have tried...he even had a bad reaction to a steroid injection in the spine that landed him in the emergency room. His pain management specialist has just in the past month put him on morphine (15mg. 4-6 hour tabs)...one a day plus a few to be taken before he has to go to an appointment. He is trying not to take them for fear of addiction.

Pot is the only thing that works immediately and completely on the pain, is non-addictive and has no side effects. Yet try to get even a 1/4 oz here in Massachusetts and it's very difficult...there have been so many pot busts in the past couple of years, even tho' possession of small amounts is punishable by only a $100. fine. But I know several places to go and people from whom I can get all the coke I could ever want.

Massachusetts has once again passed the ballot question on medical marijuana, but it's up to the state legislature to pass an actual bill...which it hasn't in the past.

Abundance of drugs that can kill, but little availability of pot...I don't get it. I can only conclude that there is a reason they are trying to keep pot out of the hands of people...I just don't know what it could be other than either a power play or an attempt to hide the benefits of usage...quite the opposite of the point blufire was trying to make about tptb wanting to legalize for nefarious purposes.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Paul (here)
When I was in high school, in a small town in upstate New York, in the late 1960's, there was no pot that I know of.

There were 29 in my high school class ... most of us had been in the same class and same school since kindergarten. The other 28 in my class all went 100 miles south, to a farm near Woodstock, New York, in August of 1969. I stayed home that weekend, to study for an upcoming test. I was probably the only one who got an A on that test . I also might have been the only one in my class who had not smoked pot yet, come Monday of the next week....

That is such a great story, Paul! hahahahahaahha Sometimes a life-changing event is the event that didn't happen.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
When I was in high school, in a small town in upstate New York, in the late 1960's, there was no pot that I know of.

There were 29 in my high school class ... most of us had been in the same class and same school since kindergarten. The other 28 in my class all went 100 miles south, to a farm near Woodstock, New York, in August of 1969. I stayed home that weekend, to study for an upcoming test. I was probably the only one who got an A on that test . I also might have been the only one in my class who had not smoked pot yet, come Monday of the next week....

That is such a great story, Paul! hahahahahaahha Sometimes a life-changing event is the event that didn't happen.

Dennis

Well, I lived in Arizona back in the late sixties and early seventies, and we used to get kilo's come in through Mexico, and everybody had a sandwich bag full of pot at all times. Between classes was an occasion to share a joint, as was lunch, after school, arriving at school, seeing someone for the first time that day, a moment of clarity, whatever.

I smoked so much pot back then, I'm surprised I made it through some of the experiences I had back then. Not only pot, but a bunch of LSD too. I am a product of that generation and that time.

I've been out of body and to the edge of the universe, where I knew if I kept going, I would not be able to make it back. I've been to a rock concerts where the lights were dripping from the ceiling and the sounds faded in and out.

Yes, those were definitely some strange times indeed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gBCdlBrgEmE

Nobody told me there'd be days like these...Strange days indeed...strange days indeed...

[scarletfire]

Wonder how this affects those with professional state licenses, can nurses and doctors partake? I don't understand what the big deal since we all openly partake in alcohol consumption, marijuana is such an incredibly mild form of intoxication, at least in my experience, that I've often wondered how this has been kept an issue for so long. Just watched a documentary called "square grouper" that illustrates the adventures and consequences of those involved with the pot trade. I can't get past how a plant can be deemed illegal, seems absolutely CRAZY. In a time when we are so economically challenged, this seems like a fool proof method to harness revenue. Anyway, the trailer to this documentary is below for anybody interested.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Koa8txkzC5s

[modwiz]

Hemp is a miracle crop that needs to be taken advantage of and used for all it has to offer. I think habitual pot smoking is a bad idea. I think making it illegal is criminal. Leave us to use Nature as it was intended. In ways that do not harm others. Arguments about family impacts of drug use are personal and not the domain of government.

Want to do something useful government? Nationalizing the electrical grid, instead of leaving it to profiteers would be a nice start. Then, free energy devices would look like a very good idea. Same thing with oil.