Can a soul be captured?

[Tarka the Duck]

So….many differing explanations of people's ideas about "the soul"…very interesting reading, so thanks everyone! It does seem that there are as many definitions as there are people in the universe

Personally, I'm hoping that Bill will have the time to come back on this thread as several people have asked for clarification of some of the statements he's made. As it seems we all have different definitions of what we mean by "soul", and the "soul" has never been identified or proven to exist, I'm struggling with the idea that it can be "captured". That belief - because that what it is - could have a phenomenally detrimental effect on a person's life: when we can't even all decide what the soul is, how can we believe that such a thing can be "captured"?

Here are some of Bill's categorial assertions that I hope he will be able to elaborate upon:

Souls can be affected by all kinds of things, specifically including spiritual implants. Some terrible things have happened to some souls over the trillennia. Souls can be captured under certain circumstances, and enslaved in every which way.

This is something that is frequently misunderstood, and is absolutely not true. Souls most certainly can, under certain circumstances, be implanted, imprisoned, and/or harmed.

I, and many others, have personally freed trapped beings that have experienced and endured this. I do know exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm happy to share some details, though how this all happens can be complex and sometimes a little hard to understand without quite a lot more context.

Yes, I agree that ultimately, no harm can come to a soul. But in between the start of eternity and the end (this is a metaphor!!), a lot of bad things can happen that are not necessarily chosen by the soul.

And that depends on your definition of "bad", as well. My definition of experiencing a bad thing is something like being imprisoned, tortured, used, abused, and implanted to be something quite different from one's basic identity, for up to quadrillions of years and hundreds of universe cycles.

In the end, that soul can be fully healed and rehabilitated. I have done this myself: I've been trained in the techniques, and how to apply them. But I would personally classify that experience as "harmful". This may really be what this discussion is about.

In summary: souls/ spirits are categorically not impervious to having bad, unchosen experiences enforced on them by others with agendas that break the agreements of those taking part in "reality". It's very important to understand this.

Oh, and could you please explain what you meant by a "spiritual implant"?

Thanks
Kathie

[Metaphor]

Just giving my view after following this thread since it started, I guess it has CAPTURED my attention so to speak...

Big thanks to Tony for sharing your views and making this forum worth staying at.
My take on this is , keep it simple and go with that. Just be. It will all be alright in the end.

Thanks for all good contributions here, of all great threads this has to be one of the best just now. I mean, if we don´t get to the bottom of WHO we are, how the heck are we going to determine where to go or what to do. Until I decide i´ll just be.

[Hervé]

All right...

Countless individuals recount their adventures in the "astral realms" where they "free" beings from their ghost existence... ask Carmody what he has been doing in the aftermath of the Indonesian "Boxing Day" mass murd... errr...tsunami...

Can "we" agree that a "ghost" is a disorientated, "lost soul" trapped into an unending time loop?

If this can accidentally happen to a being -- ending up as a ghost -- why can't it happen through an intentional "refinement" of similar traumatic experiences?

For the proponent of the "all is illusion"... some illusions are quite convincing like keeping a body warm, fed and sheltered under the penalty of losing a vehicle for one's experience, mission or contribution in this 3D realm... go ask the people render homeless by hurricane "Sandy"...

Post # 48 gives an idea where some of these captured souls end up and what they are used for. Others end up in spaceships, other planets or underground bases.

Post # 103 describes the mechanics which makes it possible to encapsulate beings (spirits) within their "souls" and jail the whole package for reprogramming as explain by Truman Cash in his "The Programming of a Planet" and "Eye of Ra" books.

Post # 109 describes how that very mechanics is currently refined and used to perform whatever capture and programming deemed appropriate for the "controllers'" benefits.

Whether one agrees or not does not prevent the capturing or "harvesting" from happening... ask the MKultra, Montalk, Project Talent, sex slaves, satanic rituals, ET and/or MiLab guinea pigs and victims about the "illusion" of it all... that's what they have all been told all along by the cover up stooges and shills: "It's all in your mind...". Indeed and in deed!

[Jake]

Fantasy can have a detrimental effect on your mental health.

Pretending to know the unknowable can too.. All things, matters, associations, relations, are dependent on all other parts of the system to exist. Our individual souls only exist in relation to all others. Stepping outside of the 'matrix', and realizing the 'suchness' as it is, one will of course lead one to realize that there is no such thing as an imprisoned 'soul'...

However,,,, we exist in a probable reality that exists as matter and void. Our daily lives are separate from the pure being existence beyond physical reality, therefore, we still exist in set of belief systems that can and ARE controlled and manipulated. The clever deceiver can work beyond the limits of our perception, and 'lead' us into false beliefs that separate us from the divine.

Consider the following:

“The Magicians Sheep”
by G.I. Gurdjieff

“There is an Eastern tale that speaks about a very rich magician who
had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very
mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a
fence about the pasture where the sheep were grazing. The sheep
consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines and so
on, and above all, they ran away, for they knew that the magician
wanted their flesh and their skins, and this they did not like.

At last the magician found a remedy.
He hypnotized his sheep and suggested to them, first of all, that they
were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were
skinned; that on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even
pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who
loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world
for them; and in the third place, he suggested that if anything at all
were going to happen to them, it was not going to happen just then, at
any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about
it. Further, the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not
sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to
some that they were eagles, to some that they were men, to others that
they were magicians. After this all his cares and worries about the
sheep came to an end. They never ran away again, but quietly awaited
the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins.”

This is a bit different from the 'technological' manipulation of energy bodies. But a good analogy of our situation here, in this duality.

Jake.

[nomadguy]

It is my personal take, that one of the major ways an individual gets their soul stuck in something is that we get lured into it.
There are a number a of ways this can happen. One way is all-truism, the individual whom is more than willing to help and will do anything to assist humanity. It is as if that type of personality attracts other beings whom see that trait and know it can be manipulated. So they offer up a worthy task. These occurrences are often associated with ET or angelic phenomena.
The altruist takes up the task with vigor and puts in the effort to help us save ourselves and/or the planet etc.
AND in doing so gets themselves stuck. From then on they are fed upon and it ends up not being what they wanted or expected at all.
Luckily the individual can learn from it and then break loose.
~Better to be wise before hand and not get lured into it.
The Ego is not always the hungry greedy type, no altruists have a different Ego problem. The glitter of the opportunity to help change things in a dynamic and massive way is a very illustrious lure to this type of person. I know this one from experience.
On the other hand,
Power hungry people get a different lure but in a way it ends up as just the same predicament. Their lust for power gets them stuck too. No matter which way you go it is a rough road, better to be wise and not be lured,
be humble... take small steps.

[bodhii71]

Beautiful insights from both you and Tony. Some things can be talked about till the end of time, some things one must come to know by sweating white beads :-)

Your body is a separate, individual expression of the Spirit/Source which allows you to have the experience of this lifetime.

Your soul is a separate, individual expression of the Spirit/Source which allows you to continue to have the individual experience from lifetime to lifetime.


But you are not your body or your soul.

What you truly are, is Spirit/Source. It is not individual. It's not personal. It's not separate. It's not divided. It's whole and complete.

Although you are not your body, it is possible to have an individual experience of being captured, tortured and pain in the body. Likewise it is possible to experience the same thing at the soul level but even if the soul is captured, it doesn't mean that you are captured, just as it if was your body, it would not be you, just the experience the body was having.

I would say that many people have tortured souls, carrying pain and trauma from lifetime to lifetime and it has nothing to do with the bad guys doing bad things to the souls but everything to do with the individuals' avoidance of their pain and habitual coping tendencies.

There have been people on this forum offering a way out of this for those who are willing to do the work and be disciplined about it. The opportunity is open for all however much in prison they appear to be this lifetime.



It's good to see 9eagle9 posting here and making the important distinction between soul and Spirit.


Jeanette

[Demeisen]

Can Source/God be captured and tortured?

That would require pretty high level technology

While I respect all point of views expressed here, I wonder if we are confusing some terminology? What I believe, we are made of several layers like onions. Starting with rough physical 3d body up to finer and finer energetic bodies/layers. I guess, like we can be put into prison here in 3d density, we can be imprisoned in our higher energetic forms too. I suppose that could be possible. And I suppose that could be very traumatic. But I also believe that could be possible only to certain limit. The higher (finer) is our energetic layer/body the less affected it is by malevolent intents. Our souls (the core) are part of the Source, and thus untouchable (well, unless you believe Source/God can be captured).
So when you say yes, souls can be captured, do you actually mean that to a certain level our energetic bodies can be captured? I think it's important to state the difference here.
Best regards

[mahalall]

For one understanding soul manipulation reading and communicating with caution,

Benjamin Walker (1982), Tantrism, It's Secret Principles and Practises.

Amongst many traditions; The Bons from the Urgyan magical heritage, followers are recognised by their conical headgear worn during their rites, are powerfully influential adepts in the area of soul manipulations.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
All right...

Countless individuals recount their adventures in the "astral realms" where they "free" beings from their ghost existence... ask Carmody what he has been doing in the aftermath of the Indonesian "Boxing Day" mass murd... errr...tsunami...

Can "we" agree that a "ghost" is a disorientated, "lost soul" trapped into an unending time loop?

If this can accidentally happen to a being -- ending up as a ghost -- why can't it happen through an intentional "refinement" of similar traumatic experiences?

For the proponent of the "all is illusion"... some illusions are quite convincing like keeping a body warm, fed and sheltered under the penalty of losing a vehicle for one's experience, mission or contribution in this 3D realm... go ask the people render homeless by hurricane "Sandy"...

Post # 48 gives an idea where some of these captured souls end up and what they are used for. Others end up in spaceships, other planets or underground bases.

Post # 103 describes the mechanics which makes it possible to encapsulate beings (spirits) within their "souls" and jail the whole package for reprogramming as explain by Truman Cash in his "The Programming of a Planet" and "Eye of Ra" books.

Post # 109 describes how that very mechanics is currently refined and used to perform whatever capture and programming deemed appropriate for the "controllers'" benefits.

Whether one agrees or not does not prevent the capturing or "harvesting" from happening... ask the MKultra, Montalk, Project Talent, sex slaves, satanic rituals, ET and/or MiLab guinea pigs and victims about the "illusion" of it all... that's what they have all been told all along by the cover up stooges and shills: "It's all in your mind...". Indeed and in deed!

What you just described in your last paragraph also sounds like the near perfect execution to ensure the perpetuation of the illusion ...

[davyj0nes]

I've been watching this thread for awhile now, and i see capturing souls is a bit like madmen running around the beach with sippy cups full of sea water, yelling that they've imprisoned the sea. Watching everyone come together adding their own definition of soul, spirit, that which exists vs that which does not exist, ect. So many differing views, its quite nice really. So, in closing, helping to release souls is all well and good, but what exactly is a soul... hmm...

[Ultima Thule]

I figure yes the soul can be captured or injured in a way that even though it eventually and ultimately will join in unity with the source(what ever that might mean), it will have lost it´s ability to heal as an individuated experiencer - being beyond repair in a way - but instead must be broken down into it´s smallest elements and be joined with the source as those elements. This will result in an ultimate happy end as all is again one, but the injured soul won´t perhaps be able to share it´s tale of it´s journey. Therefore nothing is really lost in absolute quantitative terms, but something is surely missed in quality, the tale of the return of that particular soul won´t be heard or told. It´s like playing in a casino where you are guaranteed to get your money back, but don´t get any extra. Extra bit being the individual experience.

There´s no particular source for this information, just how I envision it.

UT

[Tony]

If we are all here, could we not all be captured souls? Souls meaning sentient beings.

So what captured us? Could it be our own beliefs. Beliefs meaning fixated ideas, fixated ideas meaning karma.

How do we escape? By letting go of fixated ideas, thereby reducing the effect of karma, thereby escaping and being free!




Well it's better than the image of someone wandering around with a big soul-catcher net, putting us in bottles!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
If we are all here, could we not all be captured souls? Souls meaning sentient beings.

So what captured us? Could it be our own beliefs. Beliefs meaning fixated ideas, fixated ideas meaning karma.

How do we escape? By letting go of fixated ideas, thereby reducing the effect of karma, thereby escaping and being free!

Well it's better than the image of someone wandering around with a big soul-catcher net, putting us in bottles!

I agree that if you are in a body (and you can't get out any time you wish) IMO you are trapped - or captured.

I also feel your beliefs and emotional attachments to dramas being played out here, keep you more tethered to 3D. Less emotionality, more flexiblity through love and tolerance will make our lives here in 3D more joyous.

However, I do feel there is another component that keeps us trapped here, but I don't know yet what it is, so for me, I focus on making my life here as pleasant and joyous as possible. I have suspected once you are talked into being born, at some level you are trapped and that's why there are so many negative beliefs around suicide in just about every religion and culture. Now you could say that's because it's a truism that committing suicide will effect your soul and/or future lives negatively. Of you could say that it's because it's a built in guarantee that we will stay trapped by whoever convinced us to come into these bodies because they need slaves.

[greybeard]

Bottom line is I cant do anything about being in the body so I make the most of it.
Many advantages being in a body, in this world.
Why worry????
Chris

[Jenci]

The idea that a soul is captured, leads to the idea that it needs to be rescued.

If someone needs rescuing they then start looking for a saviour.

This idea that people need someone to rescue and save them, is all too familiar unfortunately.


Looking externally, outside of yourself, is a distraction away from the true self.

Source/Spirit is found within.

[Tony]

Make the most of it, accept it, appreciate it, this is an incredible moment. Is it intense on many levels, the more the negativity, the brighter everything appears. If we can face every possibility of negativity and find we do not react but stay centred, we are indeed fortunate.

Whatever negativity is thrown our way, if we neither accept it or reject it, we are more then fortunate!

Every moment challenges the ego, and we fortunate when we realise..."Hey is that all you got?"

[Hervé]

How many posters on this thread actually addressed the question asked:

"Can a soul be captured?"

My answer is yes, to wit:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
All right...

Countless individuals recount their adventures in the "astral realms" where they "free" beings from their ghost existence... ask Carmody what he has been doing in the aftermath of the Indonesian "Boxing Day" mass murd... errr...tsunami...

Can "we" agree that a "ghost" is a disorientated, "lost soul" trapped into an unending time loop?

If this can accidentally happen to a being -- ending up as a ghost -- why can't it happen through an intentional "refinement" of similar traumatic experiences?

For the proponent of the "all is illusion"... some illusions are quite convincing like keeping a body warm, fed and sheltered under the penalty of losing a vehicle for one's experience, mission or contribution in this 3D realm... go ask the people render homeless by hurricane "Sandy"...

Post # 48 gives an idea where some of these captured souls end up and what they are used for. Others end up in spaceships, other planets or underground bases.

Post # 103 describes the mechanics which makes it possible to encapsulate beings (spirits) within their "souls" and jail the whole package for reprogramming as explain by Truman Cash in his "The Programming of a Planet" and "Eye of Ra" books.

Post # 109 describes how that very mechanics is currently refined and used to perform whatever capture and programming deemed appropriate for the "controllers'" benefits.

Whether one agrees or not does not prevent the capturing or "harvesting" from happening... ask the MKultra, Montalk, Project Talent, sex slaves, satanic rituals, ET and/or MiLab guinea pigs and victims about the "illusion" of it all... that's what they have all been told all along by the cover up stooges and shills: "It's all in your mind...". Indeed and in deed!

With the capture of its soul, so is "spirit"... until "spirit" realizes it is neither its body nor its soul and can then proceed to unravel the "beliefs," programs, hypnotic implants, "illusions," constructs, contraptions, machineries, etc, imposed or self imposed on "spirit"'s "properties": its soul and body.

However, the latter portion of the above paragraph is "Off Topic" per the thread's title...

[greybeard]

To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

How about supported facts?

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

[Tony]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

How about supported facts?

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

Ah! Doesn't that suggest a captured mind, or a distracted mind?