Can a soul be captured?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by greybeard (here)
To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

I gotta stand behind Chris on this one.

If one understands the way "octaves" work in Creation, how that relates to density, matter, ethers and mind, the way it steps down from Source, then it is easy to see that "capturing a soul" or "capturing God" is complete nonsense.

If someone can convince that your soul can be trapped and God can be defeated, they are lacking in fundamental knowledge of how Creation works, but in believing you may be allowing the illusion for your own "captured" soul to persist.

My 2 cents.

[greybeard]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

How about supported facts?

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

With respect I have posted here quotes from Ramana Maharshi as evidence.
A lifetime of studying text from enlightened beings leads me to the conclusion that we are the infinite.
You cant put that in a box.
I accept that in Maya/illusion all things are possible and what seems to be the soul/self can be captured and it could seem so real.
Ultimately what you are is beyond human imagination/mind.

see here also.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post580024
Chris

[Hervé]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
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How about supported facts?

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

Ah! Doesn't that suggest a captured mind, or a distracted mind?

How many billions of those do we have?

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]

Ultimately what you are is beyond human imagination/mind.

[...]

Chris

Chris,

I have no qualms with the "ultimately."

Let's also look at this 3D "reality" where the so-called "ascended masters" never dumped their bodies until said bodies quit, same for their "souls."

[Tony]

Our true being has to be beyond fear, as it is so vast no thing can encapsulate it.
And as our true being is not a thing, but sacred space itself, anything can arise in it.

So our true being encapsulates everything.

[Tony]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

How about supported facts?

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

Ah! Doesn't that suggest a captured mind, or a distracted mind?

How many billions of those do we have?

Sentient beings are distracted minds. However, in reality, we are infinite.
When we are no longer distracted, we have found our goal.

In the mean time we have to stay in jail!

[Jenci]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
How many posters on this thread actually addressed the question asked:

"Can a soul be captured?"

My answer is yes, to wit:




With the capture of its soul, so is "spirit"... until "spirit" realizes it is neither its body nor its soul and can then proceed to unravel the "beliefs," programs, hypnotic implants, "illusions," constructs, contraptions, machineries, etc, imposed or self imposed on "spirit"'s "properties": its soul and body.

However, the latter portion of the above paragraph is "Off Topic" per the thread's title...

When you are aware of the bigger picture in that you are Source/Spirit, then the issue of the captured soul is seen from a different perspective.


Spirit/Source doesn't need to realise that it is not the (captured) soul. It's already free.


The idea of a captured soul just keeps people's attention focused in the wrong direction, away from the greater reality.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SbWg-mozGsU

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]

Ultimately what you are is beyond human imagination/mind.

[...]

Chris

Chris,

I have no qualms with the "ultimately."

Let's also look at this 3D "reality" where the so-called "ascended masters" never dumped their bodies until said bodies quit, same for their "souls."

You mean you want to talk about the "illusion" of being captured?

[greybeard]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
[...]

Ultimately what you are is beyond human imagination/mind.

[...]

Chris

Chris,

I have no qualms with the "ultimately."

Let's also look at this 3D "reality" where the so-called "ascended masters" never dumped their bodies until said bodies quit, same for their "souls."

Hi Amer Zo.

I dont really go for the term ascended masters--- that's what humans called souls who were enlightened before death.
Its "us" that needs ascended masters.
The wave becomes the Ocean --the Pot breaks, the space is with the ultimate space--- ( as per my Ramana quote) no separate ascended master except in our mind. In non duality how can there be a separate master?

There is a record of some who have left the body of their own free will-- Yogananda for one.
Dr David Hawkins said he could leave at any time.
They remain here to help others out of Maya.

Chris

[Tarka the Duck]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

It only takes 30 seconds of sitting in front of a switch on TV to be under an hypnotic trance and turned into a skull-dwelling zombie.

Hello AZ

Could you please explain why you see that as evidence that a "soul" has been "captured"?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I think who we think is "god " is ancient mans interpretation of draconis alien aparitions when they ruled us in closer quaters

The soul is a harvestable energy scource but not for slavery like we stupidly believe by default because of all the negative propaganda.

We are re cyclable interactive learning batteries. When our body vessel dies the soul energy complex leaves back to its original state and gets recycled by our " god " . The caretakers of this logos are the council of 12 which are an extremely advanced race. They exist in multidimention mutispherically.

Our soul goes to a holding chamber where we are de breifed. We then go through a series of experiences to help both the soul and the facilitators decide where to send you next. You agree on an experience to help your soul efolve to a higher vibrationary plane. You must achieve this asmits a rewarding experience.

Slavery? Tell me where any pessimist on any plane that thinks any thing less than being fed grapes with a laurel round your head is slavery.

We all have to evolve. Some enjoy the experience and some decide its a task and feel like a slave. You dont need slaves, helloo?

Greys are manufactured worker bees, new technology, no need to capture souls and go through this long winded conversion program, pfft.

Our imaginations are vast and sometimes work against us.

Born
Experience
Evolve
Die
Rince
Repeat

Hugs

N
N

[Hervé]

About "illusions" and their effectiveness when a soul is captured:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Hypnosis gives the key as to how implanters work out their implants and mind-control the future behaviour of their victims:

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question but only parrot the party line.

[...]

Is the effect real?

Is it affecting other individuals' reality?

Is the implanted "illusion" enacted in this 3D reality?

Isn't it all in that individual's mind yet implemented in 3D reality?

To re-iterate:

With the capture of its soul, so is "spirit"... until "spirit" realizes it is neither its body nor its soul and can then proceed to unravel the "beliefs," programs, hypnotic implants, "illusions," constructs, contraptions, machineries, etc, imposed or self imposed on "spirit"'s "properties": its soul and body.

However, the latter portion of the above paragraph is "Off Topic" per the thread's title...

[DeDukshyn]

The effect appears "real" while it is being allowed.

I used to be affected. The same no longer effects me as I no longer allow it (not talking about something specific but I could if it would help). Did the effects change or did I change my experience of that illusion? Thus I changed the Illusion, which gives confidence it was only illusion.

2 cents

[Hervé]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
The effect appears "real" while it is being allowed.

I used to be affected. The same no longer effects me as I no longer allow it (not talking about something specific but I could if it would help). Did the effects change or did I change my experience of that illusion? Thus I changed the Illusion, which gives confidence it was only illusion.

2 cents

Where is the disagreement?

To re-iterate:

With the capture of its soul, so is "spirit"... until "spirit" realizes it is neither its body nor its soul and can then proceed to unravel the "beliefs," programs, hypnotic implants, "illusions," constructs, contraptions, machineries, etc, imposed or self imposed on "spirit"'s "properties": its soul and body.

However, the latter portion of the above paragraph is "Off Topic" per the thread's title...

[Metaphor]

I guess this illustrates my thoughts about this...
We are still attached to the tree.

[Tony]

We allow ourselves to be taken in and captured, by 'toys'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=go43XeW6Wg4

[Metaphor]

I like how he gets in for another spin in the wheel

[Tony]

Posted by Metaphor (here)
I like how he gets in for another spin in the wheel

That's attachment for you!

[Tony]

It is easy to confuse 'soul capture' with the ancient art of mind control....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lu94h7y6r7M

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
To put it categorically
I dont believe the soul or any other name you put to it can be captured.

Chris

I gotta stand behind Chris on this one.

If one understands the way "octaves" work in Creation, how that relates to density, matter, ethers and mind, the way it steps down from Source, then it is easy to see that "capturing a soul" or "capturing God" is complete nonsense.

If someone can convince that your soul can be trapped and God can be defeated, they are lacking in fundamental knowledge of how Creation works, but in believing you may be allowing the illusion for your own "captured" soul to persist.

My 2 cents.

Posted by nanoo nanoo
I think who we think is "god " is ancient mans interpretation of draconis alien aparitions when they ruled us in closer quaters

The soul is a harvestable energy scource but not for slavery like we stupidly believe by default because of all the negative propaganda.

We are re cyclable interactive learning batteries. When our body vessel dies the soul energy complex leaves back to its original state and gets recycled by our " god " . The caretakers of this logos are the council of 12 which are an extremely advanced race. They exist in multidimention mutispherically.

Our soul goes to a holding chamber where we are de breifed. We then go through a series of experiences to help both the soul and the facilitators decide where to send you next. You agree on an experience to help your soul efolve to a higher vibrationary plane. You must achieve this asmits a rewarding experience.

Slavery? Tell me where any pessimist on any plane that thinks any thing less than being fed grapes with a laurel round your head is slavery.

We all have to evolve. Some enjoy the experience and some decide its a task and feel like a slave. You dont need slaves, helloo?

Greys are manufactured worker bees, new technology, no need to capture souls and go through this long winded conversion program, pfft.

Our imaginations are vast and sometimes work against us.

Born
Experience
Evolve
Die
Rince
Repeat

Hugs

N
N

I am interested if you DeDukshyn could map out to us(or at least to me) this logic of the octaves which seems quite obvious to you and possibly not to others(at least to me) and how it relates to the logic of soul development that NN has sketched out to us in his quote. Do you feel that your views can co-exist with Nanoo Nanoos or are they contradictory? This question is absolutely also directed at Nanoo Nanoo and answer is most wellcome from him as well.

Come to think of it, this can be called the Awesome DD - NN Questionnaire


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