Who are the 24 Elders, A revelation

[Billy]

Posted by noxon medem (here)
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A general note on the "Hidden Hand" material :

It touches a lot of significant topics and go deep
into the terrain many of us here like to explore.

My prescious intuition however, tell me to view it
as a fictious reproduction of known material ( Ra, mm )

And one more thought comes across:
If this story is the work of "Lucifer"
- is he not the ultimate deceptor ?

So, filtered through yourself .
What feels true !?!

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All well to You , all .



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PS. a joke :
(for us, for now)

To the Elders I say : Please Grow up !
- Give way, somehow .....

BS.

Hi noxon, thank you for you're input. I agree that we use great discernment and filter through ourselves what feels true. As i mentioned in the OP of this thread concerning hidden hands comments.

Posted by billyji (here)

Here we have the entity "Hidden Hand" commenting on the Council of Elders. Again it seems that no matter who you are in the cosmos one has to report to or ask permission from the Elders. I have read many times that for humanity to expand in consciousness we are required to experience negativity and separation from the divine source creator, I understand the concept.

Link here.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

What I do not quite get is if we already had negative, Angry, jealous beings controlling humanity with wars and divide and conquer scenarios, why did we need even more catalysts of negativity. I would have loved to ask Hidden Hand a few questions.

the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our Galaxy.

I do agree that the Elders are the wise and loving Guardians of our galaxy.

My own opinion on hidden hands soul group being a catalyst through self serving negativity for the betterment of humanity does not feel like a truth to me. This to me sounds like an unbalanced negativity rather than a balanced negativity. And my understanding of the universe is that it functions within a balanced negative and balanced positive.

One question that came to mind was how was Yahwey able to prevent the departure from the earth plane of this group.

Another Question. Is this the same soul group (The 200) that is mentioned in the Book of Enoch and the Sumarian Tablets that descended to earth to have their oats sowed with the daughters of men.

The same group that pleaded with Enoch to intercede for them before the Elders.
And were told it was not because they fell from grace that they would be bound in the lower astral planes, but because they made an oath to see this thing through. They made a choice. They made their bed and now they had to sleep in it.

Maybe it is time for this soul group of prodigal sons to rethink their Oath/agreement and change it to a balanced oath for the betterment of humanity and themselves.

I think it is not the Elders that are required to grow up. but humanity and dysfunctional universal families.

My thoughts.


Yes discernment at all times.

Peace

[noxon medem]

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Posted by billyji (here)
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My own opinion on hidden hands soul group being a catalyst through self serving negativity for the betterment of humanity does not feel like a truth to me. This to me sounds like an unbalanced negativity rather than a balanced negativity. And my understanding of the universe is that it functions within a balanced negative and balanced positive.

One question that came to mind was how was Yahwey able to prevent the departure from the earth plane of this group.

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I think it is not the Elders that are required to grow up. but humanity and dysfunctional universal families.

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Our thought on this are very similar , including the question
of how, and why, God (Yahwey) kept them (prisoners) in
this (his) reality, density, creation, .. whatever.

The "Hidden Hand" material is very interesting reading.
And challenging if taken seriously, without believing it to be all true.
It can be done.

Another perspective with that, and similar material, that I find
intriguing is that to the extent that a "criminal elite" exist, then
this kind of philosophy and world view is allmost certainly used
internaly to justify their actions and shape the mindset of the
younger generations. No matter strong familyties and different
controltechniques, there would be many having trouble accepting
their fate as negative beings of high influence on life here.
An overarching story , and personal belief, like that expressed in
the "Hidden Hand"-material would probably be essential in forming
and maintaining some unity, and sanity, over generations and time.

There was a related phenomena in the "alternative" forumworld
some years back, that created some attention, debate, and circus.
Revelation of an " Elite Family Insider " started on the
"godlike productions" forum in 2005 :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The...y-Insider-2005

In 2011 another character returned under the same moniker starting
the thread: Elite Family Insider Returns for Q&A
Do not want to put a link, but its easy to find on a websearch.
There is like hundreds of pages of discussion and I have not read
all, but it seems like mostly distraction, to me. We are all different
in nature and need. Those who want to spend time on this will find it.

Thank you, all, for an interesting thread.
There are probably more relevant subtopics here then
the "hidden hand" material, but wanted to put in some
extra words on it, since it was on the table, sort of ...

Be well.
nm

PS.
Certainly it is humanity, including its elites, and me, who needs to grow up.
Asking the elders to do so was purely a linguistic humor I could not resist.

- Ok, now

[deridan]

i'm going to give my own postulations for the bit i've read further ..(atleast a commentor on the first page felt into a similar zone when they said ? heirachies huha)

i'd choose to put the placing as this of the entities,
indeed ultimate source, what was His first act, ..the communication of being,
-a complete gnostic stratagem leads me to see it as so, indeed tolkien had the same instinct in his creation and opening chapters of the silimirilion
God comes, God even divides the different aspects of his Creator self, as sub-directors, sub-creators, and sets them in motion
spiritual, etheric and human vesicles are created (indeed the 4-limbed variety is the mode inwhich we start our game of ignorance to reach our variated karmic goals through a life-time, but local universe etheric-spiritual constituences are created from formative focus from the adam-k original or superhuman potential {lets forget slaves, what a disgusting addition to our local environment})

so then the 24-elders, as seperated beings beingnesses of the central source
are the constituent grains of the many local adams, ..our near brothers, us ourselves and those further from us. high council for the individuated highest evolution of the adam packages

the yahweh story as an illusion, the invitation of the luceferic counter group...the attempt to heighten or accelerate ultimate reality,
{{ it should be remembered that God, source is without nameor designation, that names were only used to say, He acted here and with this intensiousIntonous of Force/ imself/ }}
take it as seperated principles for easier digestion of the story.
indeed the energy us local adams have to deal with are acknowledged by beings of the highest spiritualemotional order,

yes indeed, that is how u get your results,
create absence,
the very longing of the beings then becomes the conduit from which change is peort potentiated [whatever i menat, just to dissovleu]

[TOTHE]

Posted by deridan (here)
i'm going to give my own postulations for the bit i've read further ..(atleast a commentor on the first page felt into a similar zone when they said ? heirachies huha)

i'd choose to put the placing as this of the entities,
indeed ultimate source, what was His first act, ..the communication of being,
-a complete gnostic stratagem leads me to see it as so, indeed tolkien had the same instinct in his creation and opening chapters of the silimirilion
God comes, God even divides the different aspects of his Creator self, as sub-directors, sub-creators, and sets them in motion
spiritual, etheric and human vesicles are created (indeed the 4-limbed variety is the mode inwhich we start our game of ignorance to reach our variated karmic goals through a life-time, but local universe etheric-spiritual constituences are created from formative focus from the adam-k original or superhuman potential {lets forget slaves, what a disgusting addition to our local environment})

so then the 24-elders, as seperated beings beingnesses of the central source
are the constituent grains of the many local adams, ..our near brothers, us ourselves and those further from us. high council for the individuated highest evolution of the adam packages

the yahweh story as an illusion, the invitation of the luceferic counter group...the attempt to heighten or accelerate ultimate reality,
{{ it should be remembered that God, source is without nameor designation, that names were only used to say, He acted here and with this intensiousIntonous of Force/ imself/ }}
take it as seperated principles for easier digestion of the story.
indeed the energy us local adams have to deal with are acknowledged by beings of the highest spiritualemotional order,

yes indeed, that is how u get your results,
create absence,
the very longing of the beings then becomes the conduit from which change is peort potentiated [whatever i menat, just to dissovleu]

Right on, deridan. What I will say now is my perceptions to add to yours.

Our spiritual perceptions become confused when we put too much weight on the belief on God outside when it is really the God inside. Since thoughts create matter and where the focus is directed the energy flows. The aspect we created from directed energy produced a non physical realm: dimensional state of consciousness that we call “thought form” or “etheric band” (we love labels do we). They can be called Christ Consciousness, Luciferian, Heaven, Allah’s Heaven or depending on what you are smoking, Nirvana. Soul groups stuck on the wheel in those non physical dimensions of consciousness can get pretty confused in those illusions because there is no matter created from directed energy. So these confused souls break out of their psychic prisons and incarnate down here “to make things right for the cause” or “make thyself break off the wheel” or “continue the cause like the Hidden Hand”.

Groups like Hidden Hand are parasitic, entropic, feed off life energy, feed off the destruction of life and eventually erase the genome of an established species that a soul can incarnate to become ensouled. They could be called unbalanced negative for the extreme or balanced negative.

Groups within the Christ, Islam, Buddhist and Hindu are creators of energy directing matter promoting life and working with the framework of 3 sciences: spiritual, social and material. They are promoting the Universal Natural evolution of the genome of the species. They could be called unbalanced positive extreme or balanced positive.

There must be a lot of psychic wars and sorcerer wars (God Wars) going on up there above that are being reflected here below. What a mess we are working on. In a way it is a lot of fun to experience this in our quest to gain wisdom and help the scew-ups stuck above with their illusions. Solutions are down here not from up there, we are the Gods walking in our Divinity in the phisical. From Homo-Sapiens to Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens, for indeed, we will.

[deridan]

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we should not forget as one focus [vora] so the other also extends out
each orientation informs the centre us


--yes i to have one little disgust story of travelling between the kingdoms of one_soul_religious group to another
maybe the first space is to universalize our conscious , so-that many consciousnesses same envision , perhaps then we set the etheric across time/s/ -band inwhich we travel. mankind is terribily sick, and still asleep,

your energy band comes from the disgardance of the /one of the bands/
though words in narrative should not be mistaken for a flaw i n me, perhaps it is from the unconsciouswish of

[noxon medem]

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Posted by deridan (here)
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we should not forget as one focus [vora] so the other also extends out
each orientation informs the centre us


--yes i to have one little disgust story of travelling between the kingdoms of one_soul_religious group to another
maybe the first space is to universalize our conscious , so-that many consciousnesses same envision , perhaps then we set the etheric across time/s/ -band inwhich we travel. mankind is terribily sick, and still asleep,

your energy band comes from the disgardance of the /one of the bands/
though words in narrative should not be mistaken for a flaw i n me, perhaps it is from the unconsciouswish of

( Vo Ra ..).

- Yes !
Just a moment in time, with all its ....

A question :
What is the "vora" ?

Here some result of a quick websearch :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vora
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?view=2&surname=vora
http://nrk.no/sf/leksikon/index.php/...e_p%C3%A5_Vora
(norwegian language, possible to put into a translationprogram)
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vora

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Be well, All.

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[Billy]

Posted by noxon medem (here)
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The "Hidden Hand" material is very interesting reading.
And challenging if taken seriously, without believing it to be all true.
It can be done.


Thank you, all, for an interesting thread.
There are probably more relevant subtopics here then
the "hidden hand" material, but wanted to put in some
extra words on it, since it was on the table, sort of ...

Be well.
nm

PS.
Certainly it is humanity, including its elites, and me, who needs to grow up.
Asking the elders to do so was purely a linguistic humor I could not resist.

- Ok, now

I would say very much on topic Noxon. Although the title of the thread is "Who are the 24 elders" I also brought to the table the hidden hand material along with other material as topics for discussion. If we have soul groups working against humanity, it is always good to know who they are also.

I posted the comment below but gave no links for ones own research.

Posted by billyji (here)
Another Question. Is this the same soul group (The 200) that is mentioned in the Book of Enoch and the Sumarian Tablets that descended to earth to have their oats sowed with the daughters of men.

The same group that pleaded with Enoch to intercede for them before the Elders.
And were told it was not because they fell from grace that they would be bound in the lower astral planes, but because they made an oath to see this thing through. They made a choice. They made their bed and now they had to sleep in it.

Maybe it is time for this soul group of prodigal sons to rethink their Oath/agreement and change it to a balanced oath for the betterment of humanity and themselves.

From the book of Enoch.

Quote:
VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralisation of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels: the Messianic Kingdom (a Noah fragment).
CHAPTER VI.
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
End Quote:

XII-XVI. Dream Vision of Enoch: his intercession for Azâzêl and the fallen Angels: and his announcement to them of their first and final doom.
CHAPTER XII.
1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him.
2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.
3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me:
4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth:
End Quote:

CHAPTER XIII.
1. And Enoch went and said: 'Azâzêl, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds:
2. And thou shalt not have toleration nor †request† granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness and unrighteousness and sin which thou hast shown to men.'
3. Then I went and spoke to them all together, and they were all afraid, and fear and trembling seized them.
4. And they besought me to draw up a petition for them that they might find forgiveness, and to read their petition in the presence of the Lord of heaven.
5. For from thenceforward they could not speak (with Him) nor lift up their eyes to heaven for shame of their sins for which they had been condemned.
6. Then I wrote out their petition, and the prayer in regard to their spirits and their deeds individually and in regard to their requests that they should have forgiveness and length of days†.
7. And I went off and sat down at the waters of Dan, in the land of Dan, to the south of the west of Hermon: I read their petition till I fell asleep.
8. And behold a dream came to me, and visions fell down upon me, and I saw visions of chastisement, and a voice came bidding (me) I to tell it to the sons of heaven, and reprimand them.
9. And when I awaked, I came unto them, and they were all sitting gathered together, weeping in ’Abelsjâîl, which is between Lebanon and Sênêsêr, with their faces covered.
10. And I recounted before them all the visions which I had seen in sleep, and I began to speak the words of righteousness, and to reprimand the heavenly Watchers.
End Quote:

CHAPTER XIV.
1. The book of the words of righteousness, and of the reprimand of the eternal Watchers in accordance with the command of the Holy Great One in that vision.
2. I saw in my sleep what I will now say with a tongue of flesh and with the breath of my mouth: which the Great One has given to men to converse therewith and understand with the heart.
3. As He has created and given to man the power of understanding the word of wisdom, so hath He created me also and given me the power of reprimanding the Watchers, the children of heaven.
4. I wrote out your petition, and in my vision it appeared thus, that your petition will not be granted unto you throughout all the days of eternity, and that judgement has been finally passed upon you: yea (your petition) will not be granted unto you.
5. And from henceforth you shall not ascend into heaven unto all eternity, and in bonds of the earth the decree has gone forth to bind you for all the days of the world.
6. And (that) previously you shall have seen the destruction of your beloved sons and ye shall have no pleasure in them, but they shall fall before you by the sword.
7. And your petition on their behalf shall not be granted, nor yet on your own: even though you weep and pray and speak all the words contained in the writing which I have written.
End Quote:
CHAPTER XV.
1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.
2. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you:
3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons?
4. And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh,
End Quote:

CHAPTER XVI.

2. And now as to the Watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say to them): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."

End Quote:

Sumarian
[In the Jewish and Ethiopic traditions, Nefilim means "sky people."]

There were 200 astronauts who descended in the days of Jared onto Mount Hermon in northwest Palestine near Lebanon.

In the Babylonian records of creation, the Enuma Elish, a large group of divine beings descended to Earth. Tablet VI of the epic reveals that the Anunnaki were quite restless in their space ship.

(Note 300 mentioned here)

Having achieved freedom from labor with the creation of Man, they were becoming increasingly bored and restless. It was then decided to resettle part of them on Earth. Accordingly, 300 of them descended to Earth while another 300 remained on the space ship. Called the "igigi," they were presumably the ones with specialized functions, the technicians of the space craft.

The well-intentioned plans of the Nefilim or Anunnaki appear to have changed for the worst, for soon thereafter they began to engage in a variety of activities that raised the wrath of both god and man. The Ethiopic Book of Enoch suggests that their descent was a secret and unauthorized act of a group of rebellious "angels."

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them and they said to one another, ’Come, let us choose wives for ourselves among the daughters of men and beget us children.’ And Semyaz, being their leader, said onto them, ’Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.’ Then they all swore together and bound one another by the curse. And they were altogether two hundred."

[Swan]

Hi Billy,

Thank you for this interesting thread.

I was just wondering if "The Book of Knowledge, The Keys of Enoch" by J.J.Hurtack bears any relevance to the subject.
I have not read it...but in the introduction he mentions the 24 elders of light.

BTW, your two last posts came in at 17.17 and 18.18 - my time

[TOTHE]

Thank you billyji for tying together the 200 and startling conclusion of them as a soul group.
I never made that connection so I thought they were just mutinous astronauts. In 2008 after devouring all of Zecharia Sitchin’s books, two of them (When Time Began and The Lost Book of Enki) got me on the Enoch and Stonehenge connection, I had to read the Book of Enoch. It seems Enoch and Enki visited Stonehenge and I needed biblical confirmation. The book I chose for the interpretation of Enoch was Fallen Angels by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

My perception:
The 200 Igigi were very long lived, one of their years was equal to 3,600 of our years. They lost over time their spiritual knowledge of the existence of the soul because of their near immortality. It took the intervention of the angelic entity “The Watcher” to remind them that they were part of a soul group. I think the soul that each and every one of us has is the unique singularity of consciousness called the “Watcher”...the “Watcher” is us. It “The Watcher” in the quantum state (our singularity) is what pulls our memory and genetic molecular state memory when we die a physical death. When we are born our we move from quantum to molecular, when we die we move from molecular to quantum. Our singularity changes states in those two events, the only reason we cannot remember is biochemical molecular memory can just hold so much information. That is good too, what good will the nuclear physics of stars and black holes do you when someone is trying to shoot you or trying to escape from a Sabre Tooth Cat?

Book of Enoch
From-The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/enoch.html

Search engine for the above.
https://s2-us3.startpage.com/do/sear...3bb32f7b9e2ea2


PDF of the Books of Enoch, 513k.
http://archive.org/details/AllTheBoo...h1Enoch2Enoch3


When Time Began
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/si...ntimebegan.htm

Source of Sitchin’s books
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...Sitchins_books

[lookbeyond]

Thanks TOTHE for all the links, i look forward to reading them this weekend,

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Billy]

Posted by Swan (here)
Hi Billy,

Thank you for this interesting thread.

I was just wondering if "The Book of Knowledge, The Keys of Enoch" by J.J.Hurtack bears any relevance to the subject.
I have not read it...but in the introduction he mentions the 24 elders of light.

BTW, your two last posts came in at 17.17 and 18.18 - my time

Hi Swan. Yes the 24 Elders of light that J.J.Hurtack mentions are the same 24 Elders. I went to a Keys of Enoch conference back in 1998 which was presented by one of his followers who flew over from Germany. I bought the book but i only skimmed through it. I found the conference a tad dull but it was this followers first conference. Maybe i will dig the book out and give it another go.

When i listen to Hurtach himself in interviews, I find him very uplifting and knowledgeable.

Peace

[Billy]

Posted by TOTHE (here)
The Shield of Michael pendant carved by Fred Rusher after an image found in the Kabala shows the 12 pairs or 24 civilizations. On the back of the pendant are four words: “Shemesh”, "U-Magen", "YHWH" and "Elohim". I have no idea what the Hebrew words on the front are. I had the pleasure to meet Fred at a November, 2009 Tempe Arizona David Wilcock Devine Cosmos convention. Fred had no idea what the copied from a book sacred geometry represented, but by intuition I recognized it as soon as I saw it as a ancient depiction or artistic expression of the 24 civilizations. Fred did mention he had to read The Only Planet of Choice two times to my three to grasp the significance of the message. Anyhow I bought the pendant and a 1 foot diameter wall carving. The wall carving is now hanging next to the Mayan calendar that I bought in Tijuana during the mid 80’s for $20.

There is a E-Book for The Only Planet of Choice
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...e/contents.htm
Or the 793k PDF
http://archive.org/details/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice

Stuart Holroyd’s book The Nine: Briefing From Deep Space mentions that Phyllis Schlemmer received some of the transmissions while sitting in a faraday cage to shield from EMF interference. This was done early for confirmation that she was transceiving from the sub quantum and not channeling from the EM spectrum

Shield of Michael Pendant from Fred's workshop at http://geocosmicarts.com

TOTHE i have a request. As you have this pendant, would it be possible to take a more detailed picture of it and post it here in this thread. A more detailed view of the Hebrew Text and the reverse side if possible.

Only if you can. Much appreciated.

Billyji

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Wow i was just thinking it would be great to have a thread to combine spirit and science ; 0) Thanks billy boy.

But there are so many words to read its hurting my little ant brain! Aaaah

N

[TOTHE]

billyji; There is no way I can get a good resolution even with expanding the images here.
Suggestion would be that you examine whole plaque and pendant. The black spars that radiate from the center have fine Hebrew characters in all of them, you need a magnifying glass to see them and there is no way an electronic scanner can pick them out. For this project you need your eyeball and use all the computing wetware (software) of the mind you can muster up.
Private message me your mailing address and I will send both items for you to examine. When you are finished send them back and post your research and drawings on this board. I am very curious of what you will find!





Wood pendant I cannot expand.


http://geocosmicarts.com/products-pa...mbols-pendants

[Billy]

Posted by TOTHE (here)
Thank you billyji for tying together the 200 and startling conclusion of them as a soul group.
I never made that connection so I thought they were just mutinous astronauts. In 2008 after devouring all of Zecharia Sitchin’s books, two of them (When Time Began and The Lost Book of Enki) got me on the Enoch and Stonehenge connection, I had to read the Book of Enoch. It seems Enoch and Enki visited Stonehenge and I needed biblical confirmation. The book I chose for the interpretation of Enoch was Fallen Angels by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

My perception:
The 200 Igigi were very long lived, one of their years was equal to 3,600 of our years. They lost over time their spiritual knowledge of the existence of the soul because of their near immortality. It took the intervention of the angelic entity “The Watcher” to remind them that they were part of a soul group. I think the soul that each and every one of us has is the unique singularity of consciousness called the “Watcher”...the “Watcher” is us. It “The Watcher” in the quantum state (our singularity) is what pulls our memory and genetic molecular state memory when we die a physical death. When we are born our we move from quantum to molecular, when we die we move from molecular to quantum. Our singularity changes states in those two events, the only reason we cannot remember is biochemical molecular memory can just hold so much information. That is good too, what good will the nuclear physics of stars and black holes do you when someone is trying to shoot you or trying to escape from a Sabre Tooth Cat?

Thank you for reposting the pendant TOTHE, I will inquire more.

Yes it seems that the great and glorious device that Enoch mentions in CHAPTER XXXIV. Was Stonehendge.
1. And from thence I went towards the north to the ends of the earth, and there I saw a great and glorious device at the ends of the whole earth.

I used to attend evening classes at Edinburgh University. The Late Gordon Strachan was my lecturer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_...%28minister%29 And this was his theory also.
That for Enoch to have seen the rising and settings of the sun and moon and stars mentioned, the he would have to have been standing at a certain Longitude and Latitude on earth. Latitude: 51°10′44″N Longitude: 1°49′34″W = Stonehendge.

I am not sure i agree that we were or are the Watchers. The Watchers were Angelic Beings. Some of the Watchers were the Fallen ones. According to Enoch.

Peace.

[Billy]

I downloaded the PDF files that Mozart posted here.https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-and-Ascension

After reading the first file last night, I could not shut my inner voice up. Enoch, Enoch, So this morning i looked through the book of Enoch to see if there was any connection to what Science Daniel was bringing to the table and Enoch.
So I am going to carry on with more Enoch material. This time bringing some scientific theories into place along with text from Enoch.

This section will look at our Sun and earth changes that we are witnessing and possibly witness in our near future.

Quote from different sections throughout the Book of Enoch.

CHAPTER LXXXII.

1. And now, my son Methuselah, all these things I am recounting to thee and writing down for thee, and I have revealed to thee everything, and given thee books concerning all these: so preserve, my son Methuselah, the books from thy father's hand, and (see) that thou deliver them to the generations of the world.

2. I have given Wisdom to thee and to thy children, [And thy children that shall be to thee], That they may give it to their children for generations, This wisdom (namely) that passeth their thought.

3. And those who understand it shall not sleep, But shall listen with the ear that they may learn this wisdom, And it shall please those that eat thereof better than good food.

XLI. 3-9. Astronomical Secrets.

8. For the sun changes oft for a blessing or a curse, (Another Little Gem)


CHAPTER LXXX.
1. And in those days the angel Uriel answered and said to me: 'Behold, I have shown thee everything, Enoch, and I have revealed everything to thee that thou shouldst see this sun and this moon, and the leaders of the stars of the heaven and all those who turn them, their tasks and times and departures.

LXXX. 2-8. Perversion of Nature and the heavenly Bodies owning to the Sin of Men.

the years shall be shortened, And their seed shall be tardy on their lands and fields, And all things on the earth shall alter, And shall not appear in their time:
And the rain shall be kept back And the heaven shall withhold (it).

3. And in those times the fruits of the earth shall be backward, And shall not grow in their time, And the fruits of the trees shall be withheld in their time.

4. And the moon shall alter her order, And not appear at her time.

5. [And in those days the sun shall be seen and he shall journey in the evening †on the extremity of the great chariot† in the west] And shall shine more brightly than accords with the order of light.

6. And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order (prescribed). And these shall alter their orbits and tasks, And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.




CHAPTER XCI.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away, And a new heaven shall appear, And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

17. And after that there will be many weeks without number for ever, And all shall be in goodness and righteousness, And sin shall no more be mentioned for ever.

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Here we have what Daniel Says. here. http://projectavalon.net/Geoengineering_Daniel.pdf


The Solar Transition
Time to put pieces together… the sun is getting hotter from all the dust and debris the solar system is now experiencing.13 The increased fuel will increase the thermal destructive limit, which will cause a corresponding increase in magnetic ionization level, which will make more elements available for the stellar combustion process—the sun is going to get brighter and hotter. Initially, this will occur as bright flashes,14 like a mini novae, until sufficient material is available to hold the magnetic ionization limit at the next quantum step. At that time, the sun will suddenly jump up in stellar class, and remain there. (Well, “up” in the Reciprocal System, “down” in conventional astronomy, since they have it backwards.)

12Described in detail in Prof. KVK Nehru's paper, “Glimpses into the Structure of the Sun.” See footnote 28.

13The reason for the excess dust in the solar system is not clear, but astronomers have known it was coming for over 50 years. New Agers have billed it as the photon belt, but it is more likely to be just nebular dust or a protostar that is intersecting the plane of our solar system. As our sun, part of the Sagittarius Dwarf, intersects the plane of the Milky Way, such occurrences are very probable.

14These bright flashes of the sun have been reported since 2010 at the higher altitudes, where the atmosphere is thinner and there is no pollution/smog layer. The increased intensity (flash) lasts for several minutes to several hours and tends to be laser-like, causing peculiar damage in a small area, such the sudden death of plants and trees (leaves are burned to a crisp) or the cracking of car windshields.

The transition should be interesting. When the magnetic ionization level of the sun increases, it will be like throwing a cup of gasoline on the barbecue grill coals—a burst of flame and thermal activity, so much that it will move the thermal speeds past the speed of light. This “inverse thermal emission” actually occurs frequently on a small scale and is documented in detail in Prof. KVK Nehru's paper, Glimpses Into the Structure of the Sun: The Solar Interior and the Sunspots, and is the reason that sunspots are dark and appear cool. Inverse (FTL) thermal motion is super-hot, so hot that it appears cold and the region of the sun where it takes place goes dark, as in the sunspot umbra.

There are already indications of this beginning to occur.15 Except this time, the whole sun will become an “umbra”—there should be a bright flash, like a nova flare, when the gas hits the fire (additional elements suddenly being available for fuel from the jump in magnetic ionization), then the sun will go dark, like it went out. But only for a short time, until the initial burst of new fuel has burned up and the sun returns to the zone of stability. Like most things, this has happened before16 and will happen again.

Also recall the radioactive transitions. When the magnetic ionization increases, there will be a huge burst of radio waves as the material is accelerated FTL, along with the nova flare. The sun will go dark—FTL motion—and when it starts to light up again, there will be a huge burst of x-rays from the sun, and the possible ejection of a great deal of matter from the surface of the sun, due to the re-expansion of FTL thermal motion back to sub-light speed.

Post-Transition
After the transition is complete, the sun will be physically larger, brighter (more white than yellow) and hotter than before—and it is going to stay that way. One would think that this situation would make the inner planets go up like marshmallows burning on the campfire. But curiously, that is not the case. Seems that whoever designed stars and planets considered this, and used the energy of transition to aid in the further evolution of life.

What will happen is that, due to the increased FTL motion in the sun, the gravitational balance of the solar system will change. FTL motion is anti-gravitational, so the sun will literally push the planets further outward in their orbits in compensation—the year will get longer.17 Being further from the sun, the planet will survive and establish a new ecosystem—but a different one.

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Read More here. http://projectavalon.net/Geoengineering_Daniel.pdf

Happy Sunday

Peace

EDIT: This is on topic as Enoch and the Elders were in communication, as mentioned in The book of secrets of Enoch. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/2enoch01-68.htm

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Chapter 4

Of the angels ruling the stars

1They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and their services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.
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[TOTHE]

Billyji;

When I met Fred Rusher in 2009 I inquired and he showed me his source for the engraved image on Shield of Michael pendant & wood carved plaque. It was an image from one of the three books of the Kabbalah. Of the book, all the writing in it was in Hebrew, it was old, pages yellow, the binding was shot, the cover and binding was white or completely covered with masking tape (I don't know which).

Looking at his business card now I see two contact phone numbers:
928-554-4613
928-203-6165
and
GeoCosmicArts.com
SedonaFred@gmail.com

When you look at the blown up bronze image a couple of posts ago, right at the center you see six small spars radiating out from the center. These I presume are the first Angelic entities or Watchers represented. When I look at the plaque now I feel as if I am looking at a graphic representation of the expansion of consciousness in the Universe originating from the time of the Big Bang. Right down from the first millisecond to different stages of time through the eons.

From our legends, the book of the Kabbalah was presented to a tribe that had learned the Hebrew writing. The reason the writing is more than 4,000 years old, with the same characters was to keep the original text as undistorted as possible. If the Shield image was preserved as I hope it was, we are looking something that would give a teachers aid for use on students, shepherds and goatherds a better mental picture of the Universe. Guess what, this is what I see...somewhere in my DNA or genetic memory, a trigger?? Maybe the written 24 Hebrew permutations of God were added later in history by the priests to control the masses but looking placement of the spars is enough. Now if a Crop Circle has shown up or will show up with the Shield we will have more questions to ponder.

In regard to CME’s affecting 7 billion people if the Sun burps I suspect the creator gods will will “stop time” to minimize collateral damage. This I think happened in 1973 when there had to be a solar “adjustment” and everybody on Earth went to sleep for a day. Ah, this living in the matrix thing, I hope it is not a machine intelligence for I think it would DECEIVE me... the Creator would not. I am confused enough as it is.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TOTHE (here)
Assigning the numerical weight of the Hebrew alphabet to the periodic table we get:
YHVH = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen as the name of God.
YHVG = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon as the name of Man.
Also as translated YH is read as “the Eternal”. That means YH (God/Eternal) forms one-half of God’s name and the name coded in our cells, that leaves us the name of God in the body of Man.

Hi ToThe!

I know I've left it a while and the thread has moved on, but I was just wondering where you got
the attributions of these chemical elements from, for the name of God YHVH.
I can't make sense of it. It's not the atomic number is it?

The name YHVH adds up to 26, that is Yod(10) Hey(5) Vav(6) Hey(5).
This would give Y=Neon(atomic number 10),H=Boron(5),V=Carbon(6), and Boron(5) again.

It is interesting to look at the table of elements in relation to Hebrew Gematria though,
because YHVH=26 and God is associated with the Iron Rod, and Iron has an atomic number of 26.

The name YH (the eternal) is 15 which is Phosphorus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus

The first form of elemental phosphorus to be produced (white phosphorus, in 1669) emits a faint glow upon exposure to oxygen – hence its name given from Greek mythology, Φωσφόρος meaning "light-bearer" (Latin Lucifer), referring to the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The term "phosphorescence", meaning glow after illumination, originally derives from this property of phosphorus, although this word has since been used for a different physical process that produces a glow. The glow of phosphorus itself originates from oxidation of the white (but not red) phosphorus— a process now termed chemiluminescence.

It's strange how the name Lucifer comes up in relation to this element on Wikipedia...
It is interesting to note that Oxygen is 8 the number of Christ.

[TOTHE]

AwakeInADream;
This is where you can start. I read the book in late 2009. The information has now exploded all over the internet, I have not been keeping track.

Seeking the Devine Code of life
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lo72IeriuDY

The God Code pdf. From some of the tables & information here you can begin constructing the name.
http://www.mediaspotlight.org/pdfs/THEGODCODE.pdf

Periodic table pdf.
http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/periodic/SSHK1PER.PDF

[PurpleLama]

Here is the hebrew alphabet, honestly I don't see a lot of variation in the letters, and it is difficult to say if it even has YHVH on it....



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I did download the pics to look even closer....